proevan: NO she won't make Heaven unless she was a christain.

Doc_Miss: So u're implying that If she was a Born again Christian and she dies in the process, she can make heaven?


Can u back up ur assumptions with Bible passages pls. Thanks

proevan: Hope this isn't a dispute

just promise that your mind is tabular-erasa

and I will roll out scriptures.

proevan: Romans.8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


* This means her salvation is not work but in the cofession that she believe in the finished works of Christ Jesus.

Doc_Miss: Not factual enough.

Do you mean as long as One believes in the existence of God and in ''the finished works of Christ'' , one can sin and go unpunished.

Doc_Miss: If having $ex before Marriage is Fornication.

How does God Judge those who were forced to have $ex forcefully? .

Can Victims of Rape be regarded as Fornicators?

proevan: Titus.1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


* she died in process as long as she is pure, it will be too late to condem herself, moreover this scripture is more about the people that judge from the perspertive of the flesh and not the spirit.

Doc_Miss: Not factual enough.

Do you mean as long as One believes in the existence of God and in ''the finished works of Christ'' , one can sin and go unpunished.

Caracta: I don't understand? What's her offence? What sin did she commit? I think we need to know if molestation is a sin. Just like robbery, i get robbed and you tagged me a sinner? Who is the sinner? The robber or the victim?

A woman was molested. Does that make her a sinner? If you think a molested born-again victim should not make heaven, then are you saying robbed victims and people killed at gun points shouldn't make heaven even if they were born-again before the incident?

Doc_Miss: Some Jehova's Witnesses believe Rape is Fornication.

Being killed by robbers is different. . .if the Jehova's witnesses are right about Rape being Fornication,then I don't think a girl Like that can make heaven.

Caracta: I've never heard of that but if this is true, then whoever believes or preaches this should have his/head checked. Or perhaps they should come and prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that råpê is fornication. Isn't that funny? Hehehehe.

How is this even different from robbery? You are still taking my property without my permission and in fear.

The only reason their claims can be justified to an extent is if the räpëd victim "asked" for it, maybe through her dressing, friends, word of mouth, etc. Even though i strongly believe NOTHING justifies råpë. However, you stated the girl is born-again.

God said in His word, "I'll have mercy on whom i'll gave mercy..." Whose report do you believe? God's or that of a man?

You'd be surprised the kind of people we'll find in heaven. Let he that thinks he stands take heed lest he falls.

Doc_Miss: Yeah nothing Justifies r.ap.e but the Girl could've caused it by dressing Provocatively.

But in this case, can she be found guilty of being a stumbling block to another?i.e seducing the Ra.p.ist

Doc_Miss: Some Jehova's Witnesses believe Rape is Fornication.

Being killed by robbers is different. . .if the Jehova's witnesses are right about Rape being Fornication,then I don't think a girl Like that can make heaven.

Caracta: When i was 16, i wore a very ugly over-sized t-shirt one sunday evening at home, an Evangelist warned me to never wear such again, he claimed i was seducing him. I was very afraid and asked God for forgiveness.

Caracta: I still don't want to believe Jehovah Witnesses actually preach that. Do we have any one of them here to educate us further? Jehovah Witness? Anyone?

Doc_Miss: LMHO

Caracta: Lol...not funny o. I was like, "Oh my goodness, i'm just 16 and i'm already a seductress!" An Evangelist for that matter. Seducing a man of God? Hian!

Caracta: I still don't want to believe Jehovah Witnesses actually preach that. Do we have any one of them here to educate us further? Jehovah Witness? Anyone?

HumbledbYGrace: Youguyz is I think, he can shed some light into this hopefully.

Caracta:

Lol...not funny o. I was like, "Oh my goodness, i'm just 16 and i'm already a seductress!" An Evangelist for that matter. Seducing a man of God? Hian!

thorpido: Don't mind the so-called evangelist.If you were fully clothed as u said at 16yrs,then he must have a mind that runs wild if he could be thinking of seduction.