Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

There has to be a spiritual aspect to sex, else the christian god wouldn't be so concerned about the right and wrong sexuality. It thus follows that God's sexuality is heterosexual. As regards marriage, it is not the ultimate destination or license to have sex, marriage is only permissible for people who cannot control their passion to posses their sexual partners exclusively for themselves. Thus it is better to marry than burn with passion/jealousy/bitterness/etc. But if you have control over your emotions regarding sexual relationships, then it is better to stay unmarried and still have s.ex. Staying away from marriage does not mean staying away from sex.

okeyxyz: There has to be a spiritual aspect to sex, else the christian god wouldn't be so concerned about the right and wrong sexuality. It thus follows that God's sexuality is heterosexual. As regards marriage, it is not the ultimate destination or license to have sex, marriage is only permissible for people who cannot control their passion to posses their sexual partners exclusively for themselves. Thus it is better to marry than burn with passion/jealousy/bitterness/etc. But if you have control over your emotions regarding sexual relationships, then it is better to stay unmarried and still have s.ex. Staying away from marriage does not mean staying away from sex.

Your god sounds like a pervert

Logicboy03:
Your god sounds like a pervert

Can you make some sense first? How does insisting on natural(hetero..) sexuality make one a pervert? Perhaps you are incapable of understanding that pervert means to turn away from what is right/natural/proper.

okeyxyz:

Can you make some sense first? How does insisting on natural(hetero..) sexuality make one a pervert? Perhaps you are incapable of understanding that pervert means to turn away from what is right/natural/proper.

How does having sex affect God? Is god such a pervert that he needs to know and select who people have sex with?

okeyxyz: There has to be a spiritual aspect to sex,

Not necessarily. Does this spiritual aspect involve lower animals too?

else the christian god wouldn't be so concerned about the right and wrong sexuality.

Why is he so concerned?

It thus follows that God's sexuality is heterosexual.

The trinity is an all male union, no heterosexuality.

As regards marriage, it is not the ultimate destination or license to have sex, marriage is only permissible for people who cannot control their passion to posses their sexual partners exclusively for themselves. Thus it is better to marry than burn with passion/jealousy/bitterness/etc. But if you have control over your emotions regarding sexual relationships, then it is better to stay unmarried and still have s.ex. Staying away from marriage does not mean staying away from sex.

I don't understand this part of your post, can you clarify on what you mean by this?

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One quick question, do people become bonded forever when they engage in sex?

Logicboy03:

How does having sex affect God? Is god such a pervert that he needs to know and select who people have sex with?

Again you keep misusing the word "pervert". A pervert cannot be the one who points out the right/wrong manner of sex, rather a pervert is the one who has no sense of right and wrong conduct in sex and everything goes. This is precisely what you are defending.

Besides, you are not a christian, so why is christian acceptable sexuality a problem for you?

@logicboy03 u have no fear of GOD. How dare you call the Most High God a p****** ?

okeyxyz:

Again you keep misusing the word "pervert". A pervert cannot be the one who points out the right/wrong manner of sex, rather a pervert is the one who has no sense of right and wrong conduct in sex and everything goes. This is precisely what you are defending.

Besides, you are not a christian, so why is christian acceptable sexuality a problem for you?

Your God doesnt talk about sex with underage girls.....just something to note

Your god focuses on homosexuals and allows ra.pe victims to marry their ra.pists.


Mtchew

RationalDude: Not necessarily. Does this spiritual aspect involve lower animals too?

Well, are animals spiritual entities too? Besides, the christian scriptures tell us that all of nature is faulty, hence the prevalence of se.xual deviation/pervasion(@logicboy, note proper usage )

Why is he so concerned?

The question is: Is he God? Did he create a particular sexuality? If both answers are yes, then shouldn't he be concerned that his creation is broken?

The trinity is an all male union, no heterosexuality.

Well, Father and Son are male, no biggie, But who knows the nature of the holy spirit? In God, there is male and female, the female aspect of God is hidden to them who don't know God. This is principal to the mystery of God.

I don't understand this part of your post, can you clarify on what you mean by this?

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One quick question, do people become bonded forever when they engage in sex?

Marriage is not for everybody. There are people who for the sake of the kingdom will choose not to marry(and I'm not talking about catholic priests, they are just misled). Not choosing to marry does not mean staying away from sex. Sex must not be enslaved to marriage. Marriage is a permissible christian option, not the mandate. The ultimate is to live an unmarried life and still have right to sex.

No, people do not become bonded forever when they have se.x. But as long as you choose marriage, then you are bound (both legally and spiritually) to obey the laws of marriage, and you bear the rewards and punishments of such bounds.

Logicboy03:
Your God doesnt talk about sex with underage girls.....just something to note

Your god focuses on homosexuals and allows ra.pe victims to marry their ra.pists.

Mtchew

I know not what God you are talking about. You must be confusing one being for another.

okeyxyz:

I know not what God you are talking about. You must be confusing one being for another.

Is it a sin to marry a 10 year old in the bible


(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Logicboy03:

Is it a sin to marry a 10 year old in the bible

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

No.1, that is not a christian doctrine. It is the Law of Moses.

No.2, Who are you to judge the moralities of many thousand years ago? What do you know about this societies you assume to judge over? What do you know about the biological, mental and social awareness and readiness of 10 year olds back then as compared to 10 year olds of today? Your positions on this matter are totally out of context in all ramifications of context. You seem not to understand why women marry later in life today because you equate the societies of today to that of thousands of years ago. You think it's all about age rather than social-economic preparedness and requirements. Bros, do some proper critique, then perhaps we can engage.

RationalDude: Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

Sex is meant to be between man and wife. That is how ordained it from the very beginning. Not man and fiancee so premarital sex is WRONG and is Fornication. You join yourself only to your wife or husband. God makes two people one. Sex is marital duty within only husband and wife. People who are comfortable to sleep with those they are not (yet) married to are termed prostitutes. Even those who are bethrothed to marry someone in the bible did not have sex for virginity is priced.

As for the spiritual side, please study the verse below:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

I Corinthians 6:15,16
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh


I Cor. 7:2
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife


Another spiritual side is to note that even when you look lustfully at a woman who is not your wife, sexual immorality has occured.
This is the simple law of the spirit Jesus gave....going ahead to physically carry it out has further placed that person 'under the law'.

okeyxyz:


No.1, that is not a christian doctrine. It is the Law of Moses.

No.2, Who are you to judge the moralities of many thousand years ago? What do you know about this societies you assume to judge over? What do you know about the biological, mental and social awareness and readiness of 10 year olds back then as compared to 10 year olds of today? Your positions on this matter are totally out of context in all ramifications of context. You seem not to understand why women marry later in life today because you equate the societies of today to that of thousands of years ago. You think it's all about age rather than social-economic preparedness and requirements. Bros, do some proper critique, then perhaps we can engage.

1) It is impossible for a 10 year old to be mature. Impossible. Infact, if you can show me a 10 year old who is mentally mature for marriage from anywhere in the world, I will become a christian. Funny enough, you sound like the muslims defending Yerima

2) It is and always will be an immoral and wicked thing to reward a rapi.st with the marriage of his victim. Have you thought about all the wicked men who would rape women so that they can have her forever because of the Mosaic law?


Whether it is mosaic law or not, your God chose this law for people at a time.....very immoral

Funny people. Suddenly now its about the context. Ancient morality and all what bullshit. No be god supposedly give them the law? An all knowing perfect unchangeable god? The bullshit they expect us to swallow...


@OP, what does your common sense tell you? The bible is full of bullshit and if nobody can come up with any valid reason or evidence to show how sex is spiritual except by bible thumping then you know what to do...»»»»»»»»

Logicboy03:
1) It is impossible for a 10 year old to be mature. Impossible. Infact, if you can show me a 10 year old who is mentally mature for marriage from anywhere in the world, I will become a christian. Funny enough, you sound like the muslims defending Yerima

Again, you show lack of grasp of context. I'm talking about an era long lost to history and you on the other hand are trying to justify/condemn the same lost historical contexts by the moralities of today. And no one has claimed that a 10 year old is ready for sex/marriage(Frankly, I don't know). The text simply says "A man caught raping a 10 year old...", It didn't say "A man legally having se.x with a 10 year old..."

2) It is and always will be an immoral and wicked thing to reward a rapi.st with the marriage of his victim. Have you thought about all the wicked men who would rape women so that they can have her forever because of the Mosaic law?

I agree, But this phenomenon is no where to be found in my christian doctrine. You are simply barking up the wrong tree here.

Whether it is mosaic law or not, your God chose this law for people at a time.....very immoral

I told you before and I tell you again: I know not the God you talk about. I could tell you many truths and wisdoms about my God but they'd be foolishness to you. It'd be like casting pearls before swine

okeyxyz:

Again, you show lack of grasp of context. I'm talking about an era long lost to history and you on the other hand are trying to justify/condemn the same lost historical contexts by the moralities of today. And no one has claimed that a 10 year old is ready for sex/marriage(Frankly, I don't know). The text simply says "A man caught raping a 10 year old...", It didn't say "A man legally having se.x with a 10 year old..."




I agree, But this phenomenon is no where to be found in my christian doctrine. You are simply barking up the wrong tree here.



I told you before and I tell you again: I know not the God you talk about. I could tell you many truths and wisdoms about my God but they'd be foolishness to you. It'd be like casting pearls before swine

Guy, why the denial? You know it's me, Logicboy?

Alwaystrue:

Sex is meant to be between man and wife. That is how ordained it from the very beginning. Not man and fiancee so premarital sex is WRONG and is Fornication. You join yourself only to your wife or husband. God makes two people one. Sex is marital duty within only husband and wife. People who are comfortable to sleep with those they are not (yet) married to are termed prostitutes. Even those who are bethrothed to marry someone in the bible did not have sex for virginity is priced.

As for the spiritual side, please study the verse below:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

I Corinthians 6:15,16
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh


I Cor. 7:2
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife


Another spiritual side is to note that even when you look lustfully at a woman who is not your wife, sexual immorality has occured.
This is the simple law of the spirit Jesus gave....going ahead to physically carry it out has further placed that person 'under the law'.

How can an African be this low?

If your bible God created them as male and female, who created Hermaphrodite? The problem im still having with christians is that...are Hermaphrodite gays or lesbians when they have sex with either normal male or female?

Also, who made As.exual organism and animal?

Lets see how you deal with this

okeyxyz:
I agree, But this phenomenon is no where to be found in my christian doctrine. You are simply barking up the wrong tree here.

Here we go with christians denying every path of the bible that contradict social morals and holding unto juicy doctrines.

It the same God that inspired the law who inspired the gospel.....ignoring one for other shows you intelligent dunce and your God is immoral.

If law from God cant blend with today pattern of life, it mean God is not omniscient, he is changed on mistakes and not a being worth been called God.

FOLYKAZE:

Here we go with christians denying every path of the bible that contradict social morals and holding unto juicy doctrines.

It the same God that inspired the law who inspired the gospel.....ignoring one for other shows you intelligent dunce and your God is immoral.

If law from God cant blend with today pattern of life, it mean God is not omniscient, he is changed on mistakes and not a being worth been called God.

Not denying, but differentiating what is true representation of God from what is not. Perhaps some explanation would make sense to you: God created everything perfect in the beginning until man chose the law of corruption(The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil ) over the law of good. This was how the conscience of sin came about and man began to perceive evil in everything that God himself had declared to be good. Thus all forms of fear, insecurities, negative emotions, complexes, diseases and ultimately death. This Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is actually the Law of Moses in the beginning, when Adam(man) adopted it to rule his conscience and it became human nature. The presentation of this law to Moses was just a formalization of what was already human nature. It appears to be from God but it is actually God permitting man's choice to run it's full course. The coming and death of Jesus(who was actually the personification of the Law) on the cross fulfilled the death of this wicked Law, and hence it's abolishment.

So God did not inspire this law, rather this law is a corruption of God's true law/image, A knowledge of good and evil or in other words: a corruption of good with evil. So the new testament is an abolishment and separation from this law.

RationalDude: Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

yes when you are having sex the missionary style!

RationalDude: Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

yes when you are having sex the missionary style!

okeyxyz:

Not denying, but differentiating what is true representation of God from what is not. Perhaps some explanation would make sense to you: God created everything perfect in the beginning until man chose the law of corruption(The tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil ) over the law of good. This was how the conscience of sin came about and man began to perceive evil in everything that God himself had declared to be good. Thus all forms of fear, insecurities, negative emotions, complexes, diseases and ultimately death. This Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is actually the Law of Moses in the beginning, when Adam(man) adopted it to rule his conscience and it became human nature. The presentation of this law to Moses was just a formalization of what was already human nature. It appears to be from God but it is actually God permitting man's choice to run it's full course. The coming and death of Jesus(who was actually the personification of the Law) on the cross fulfilled the death of this wicked Law, and hence it's abolishment.

So God did not inspire this law, rather this law is a corruption of God's true law/image, A knowledge of good and evil or in other words: a corruption of good with evil. So the new testament is an abolishment and separation from this law.

good remixing.

Lets take it light this....

God of the bible created human as robots.

The tree of good and evil is self-awareness imprint which satan made us eat.

The tree of life is wisdom/intelligence. We got it back ourselves.

God said he will never change. Since he changed then he dont deserve to be call God

okeyxyz:


No.1, that is not a christian doctrine. It is the Law of Moses.

No.2, Who are you to judge the moralities of many thousand years ago? What do you know about this societies you assume to judge over? What do you know about the biological, mental and social awareness and readiness of 10 year olds back then as compared to 10 year olds of today? Your positions on this matter are totally out of context in all ramifications of context. You seem not to understand why women marry later in life today because you equate the societies of today to that of thousands of years ago. You think it's all about age rather than social-economic preparedness and requirements. Bros, do some proper critique, then perhaps we can engage.

May I remind you that Moses has no law. Moses follows the instruction given to him

FOLYKAZE:

good remixing.

Lets take it light this....

God of the bible created human as robots.

The tree of good and evil is self-awareness imprint which satan made us eat.

The tree of life is wisdom/intelligence. We got it back ourselves.

God said he will never change. Since he changed then he dont deserve to be call God

Am out of here to avoid the unknown.

Logicboy03:

1) It is impossible for a 10 year old to be mature. Impossible. Infact, if you can show me a 10 year old who is mentally mature for marriage from anywhere in the world, I will become a christian.

Well, the bible has this advise for those intending marriage:

that they should pass the flowering infancy age befor entering marriage.

"But if any man think that he is behaving improperly toward his virginity, if that is pass the bloom of youth , and this is the way it should take place, let him do what he wants, he does not sin: let them marry." (1 Corinthians 7:36)

that ^, certainly should be above ten.

This thread is totally unnecessary, you don't believe in spiritual things or beings, why seek a spiritual meaning/understanding?! Pls stick to ur logic.

okeyxyz:

Well, are animals spiritual entities too?

I don't know, you tell me.

Besides, the christian scriptures tell us that all of nature is faulty, hence the prevalence of se.xual deviation/pervasion(@logicboy, note proper usage )

According to scriptures, who made this faulty nature? If nature was made faulty, then in fact,
sexual deviation is natural.

The question is: Is he God? Did he create a particular sexuality? If both answers are yes, then shouldn't he be concerned that his creation is broken?

So, is an homosexual a broken creation?

Well, Father and Son are male, no biggie, But who knows the nature of the holy spirit? In God, there is male and female, the female aspect of God is hidden to them who don't know God. This is principal to the mystery of God.

The holy spirit has male attributes not female.

Marriage is not for everybody. There are people who for the sake of the kingdom will choose not to marry(and I'm not talking about catholic priests, they are just misled). Not choosing to marry does not mean staying away from sex. Sex must not be enslaved to marriage. Marriage is a permissible christian option, not the mandate. The ultimate is to live an unmarried life and still have right to sex.

Is this what you tell yourself when you want to sin against God by engaging in premarital sex?

No, people do not become bonded forever when they have se.x. But as long as you choose marriage, then you are bound (both legally and spiritually) to obey the laws of marriage, and you bear the rewards and punishments of such bounds.

So, there is no consequence (spiritually) when you engage in sexual activity then, right?

You must be a learner asking if there is spiritual side to sex, be like say you never give girl prick before wen she go dey speak in tongues dey roll like person wen T.B. Joshua do deliverance for

noblefada: This thread is totally unnecessary, you don't believe in spiritual things or beings, why seek a spiritual meaning/understanding?! Pls stick to ur logic.

Because unlike you, I am open-minded and I'm willing to learn new things. I don't have to believe in the spiritual before I can discuss it.

axion: You must be a learner asking if there is spiritual side to sex, be like say you never give girl prick before wen she go dey speak in tongues dey roll like person wen T.B. Joshua do deliverance for

Well, I haven't slept with a woman before so I wouldn't know about that.