RationalDude: Hey @Donroxy & Folykaze, you guys are changing the scope of this thread. A new thread would be better for your discussion.

Im sorry man. Give that up for donroxy.

FOLYKAZE:
You the one ranting with authority here.

The problem you having is God. Etymology of that world didn't describe Eledumare to it fullness.

The word God and Eledumare should be what you define and we can proceed.


Why are you deluding yourself? Orisa and Eledua aint the same man. I wonder why you are using them as same.

Now you saying my life doesn't affect Eledumare but you were saying sexlife does. This is contradictory....get more fact grounds before coming on on issues. Afterall, I didn't say contrary to this.

This is the only thing that make sense in your post. Countering this, it is our Ipin/Ayanmo that determines everything we do on earth. My action on physical realm affect you only if our parts are destined together. Ototo la yan Ori.

Eyi wunmi, eyi wu e lafi nje obe lototo. Decipher that.

therefore we are all microcosm ''part of''[b] Eledumare.

Dude, U are really confused and failed to consolidate the knowledges U have gathered so far , that is why U are just dilly-dallying and posting absolute crap !!!


The Only purpose of me Quoting you is to clear your crappyShit about you being [b]GOD ........

How does the etymology of God described Eledumare ... (I actually gave justice to this before jare) ....... Oo kan fe stubborn ni joor !!!


Where did I said Your sexLife affect Eledumare, pick it Up and show me ? .... I said Ur sexLife affects your Ori(which is what the Op asked) ...... So how does Ori=Eledumare ? U re full of crap jare !!

U should try to read Painstakingly before U bounce like oya now


If the rest of the post doesn't make sense U wouldn't have bothered to rebutt them with myopia, you know, when certain utterances is beyond someone's comprehension, then it ceases to make sense .... So, U gat it right dude !!


Being ''Part of'' an Entity should not implied you are that Entity .... Morever, Etymology of Eledumare as depicted by Yoruba is never in broken pieces that possesed component parts scattered , Eledumare was depicted as a whole complete body absolutely distinct from Humans ...... !!!


And Your Ori as most Important as it is never equals Eledumare ..... Therefore, I wonder why U equate yourself to be GOD ? ....viewing it from perspective of absoluteness !!!

donroxy: Dude, U are really confused and failed to consolidate the knowledges U have gathered so far , that is why U are just dilly-dallying and posting absolute crap !!!


The Only purpose of me Quoting you is to clear your crappyShit about you being GOD ........

How does the etymology of God described Eledumare ... (I actually gave justice to this before jare) ....... Oo kan fe stubborn ni joor !!!


Where did I said Your sexLife affect Eledumare, pick it Up and show me ? .... I said Ur sexLife affects your Ori(which is what the Op asked) ...... So how does Ori=Eledumare ? U re full of crap jare !!

U should try to read Painstakingly before U bounce like oya now


If the rest of the post doesn't make sense U wouldn't have bothered to rebutt them with myopia, you know, when certain utterances is beyond someone's comprehension, then it ceases to make sense .... So, U gat it right dude !!


Being ''Part of'' an Entity should not implied you are that Entity .... Morever, Etymology of Eledumare as depicted by Yoruba is never in broken pieces that possesed component parts scattered , Eledumare was depicted as a whole complete body absolutely distinct from Humans ...... !!!


And Your Ori as most Important as it is never equals Eledumare ..... Therefore, I wonder why U equate yourself to be GOD ? ....viewing it from perspective of absoluteness !!!

Topic : Is there a spiritual side to sex?

Have answered it about my life and not any body's problem. Eledumare doesn't have anything to do with this.
Provide your answer and stop derailing.


Im coming with a thread on Orishas. But im thinking on how bulky it gon be. But dont worry, will drop it next week

FOLYKAZE:
Epic dumb rants and lies

The guy asked you simple questions and not rants that doesn't relate to his question. He already know about Ifa and still studying about it. This dancing around is rumble trash.

babalawo is from 'baba + al + awo' which mean father/master who know the secrets or mystrism. It is a name that identify Ifa priest. Ifa priest and different entirely from aworo orisa.

Adifala is a name or title attached to adherent of Ifa or person. It more like Ifashola, Ifayemi among others.

Maybe you missing whole lot of your confusion between Adifala and babalawo with Onisegun

please research on there differences.

U see,
Whenever I attempt to answer somebody's question in an Informal forum like this, I endeavour to answer the next possibly question @ a go !

N.B I don't do that @ a formal settings, I only answer what U ask in a very conscise manner.....

So don't blame me cuz I don't have time to wait till the guy develop another question from my answer ..... !!!


I only attempted to be wholistic and that is quite scholarly, therefore, u get problem with that just deal with it !!!

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U see, There is difference between denotative and contextual meanings to word therefore, segregating words in such manner u did above might not give the complete meanings to the word understudy !!!


Baba +Al + awo actually should Implied (''Man + In/OF + cult/brotherhood/fraternity) = Man/baba-In-Fraternity and such is the meaning @ basic level !!!

Awo =Brotherhood, e.g Awo mi (My bossom,My Intimate,My Friend or my Frat i.e My fraternal brother ... Etc) !!


So A babaAlawo or an Adifa doesn't involved in ''Isegun'' ahahaha, eiyah ?

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All Adherent of Traditional Yoruba Belief no matter their denomination ''difa'' = to divine/Uses IFA/consult IFA but a complete IFA adherent who doesn't engaged in Amulu-mola doesn't Engaged in what most babalawo do !!! And such is the dichotomy !!!


U can never go to a complete IFA adherent and asked him/her to terminate somebody's life or wreck havoc on somebody's life , LaiLai, even if U are not careful, He/she may take it Upon Himself/herself to protect such fellow besought to be wrecked !!!


But when U go to other Baba-alawo who is not a complete IFA adherent but just ''DIFA''=Uses IFA ..... He will do any sh.it for you !!!, and such would still DIFA in ascertaining the implication of his actions !!


Thereby, the distinction that is so huge for you to decipher is so simplified upthere ..... That if U figured it already !!!


I believed the dude who asked the clarity would have had it @ first grasp, if not, then now !!!

FOLYKAZE:
where is the rubbish uttered? If you cant provide it, just shut the hell. I have always try to let people understand that im posting within the limit of my knowledge and not that I know all. Continue splitting trash.

Was Sango not king in Oyo? Is he not God of thunder?
What about dead ancestors? Are they not worship as Egungun?
Orisa Ibeji nko?

Before you start splitting trash, try to understand the different concept of God. Yoruba people are naturalistic pantheism which see everything in nature as scared and venerate them all.

Some people worship there toes... some pray with their hood nope? Does that mean my toes created the world?
This is monotheistic nonsense.


I have to delete some of your rants. It getting bulky and rolling in circle not making sense.

God

1. the supreme or ultimate reality: the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit: infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ;specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

3: a person or thing of supreme value

4: a powerful ruler

Maybe you can pick on different usage before splitting trash.


I didn't claim im Eledumare or Olodumare. Im God cuz im self conscious, intelligent and have thought. This your Islam is eating your brain up.

whatever you mean by God in Islam doesn't relate with yoruba because Obatala is omnipresent in Ifa and Orunmila is omniscient in Ifa....go figure cuz thats attribute of God.

Since U acknowledged U don't know all then there is no basis for you to drawn conclusion that you are GOD(which is the Onus of this tussle),U would be better-of when U Opened Up, even when U checked the definitions of GOD u provided, which among the attributes, specified, do you possessed ?


In Yorubaland, Does God = god even among the Orishas, are they not in Hierachy ?

So If Sango is god of thunder does it implies equality with Eledumare(Absolute deity) in control of Thunder ?


In Yoruba Belief, it is held that all deads metamorposed into spirit(Ebora) which may re-incarnate or haunt around and somebody who is an expert in a particular skill or articraft during his/her lifetime are usually regarded,Referred and worshipped during their Life and after their demised because It is believed that U have to extolled,referred and worship such expertise in order for you to be blessed while plying that trade/craft !!!


So, sango is a HumanBeing who is very adept/specialised/skillful/expert in co-opting Thunder/Fire in exercising Justice and we all know Other tribes/nations also have their own expertise in such circumstances who is not our own sango,The Alaafin of Oyo !!!


Whenever sango wants to Beckon on Thunder/fire , does he call upon other spirit or not for his will to become ''ASE'' ?


And If Sango should engaged in ''Ewo''(Abomination) do u think the spirit he beckoned will yield him ?

Therefore, calling an Expert of a particular endeavour, ''god'' in Yoruba is the absolute respect such Human could ever earned because such title belong to the deities(Orisas) but No body has ever been regarded as ''GOD'' (comparison was achieved based on ''Absoluteness of Entity'')


In Yoruba Belief, there is quite difference between GOD = Supreme Entity =Eledumare AND god=Orisha and/or Human-deity/Expertise .....
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U don't know what u saying regarding Orunmila and IFA ......... And If U dropped your ego a little-bit and cool your hot brain and Foolishness, U would decode I'm not dealing with you base on Islam here but base on ise n baye .... Which I heard(directly) from my Maternal GreatGrandmother @ fourth generation above me, an ESU adherent and Her Husband(Fourth Generation GreatGrandpa), an IFA adherent, I missed him though,He died a year before I was born while I still have their children(My GrandFolks around me till date) .... They are all moslems now, including the GreatGrands and which I read in Yoruba-Books and later consolidated in western education as well as personal Intuitions ........


''Orunmila'' doesn't equate ''IFA'' but a ''great IFA wizard'' !!..... ... Another Foolishness of Kaze !!!

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I have to wiped-out the remnant of your post as they lack sense and could only be uttered by a dunce and an extremely confused fellow with high level of ShortSightedness .... !!!


U are NOT GOD be it in Science nor Religion(any) .... !!! ... U are Just a Tool embedded with Intelligence !!!


It is possible for me to invent a machine that can engaged in certain Human task nonetheless, that doesn't make the machine, Human !! .... It will still be a Bleep.i.ng machine till eternity !!!


What makes GOD,GOD lies in Absoluteness/Supremacy/Infinity and what make U not to be GOD is your LIMITATION/FINITY and Design ........!! !!!

FOLYKAZE:

Here you speaking as person with authority and not person who wants to reason with others.

Note: I wont reply you when you continue with this bulky nonsensical post. Oro pupo o kun agbon. Soki lobe oge. Bring sense with little words and not epistle thats full of incoherent composition.

Not that im against you but im on mobile phone that allow little from me.

Bring it up........im here for ya

If U checked the quoted and Bolded very well and compared it with your vituperations before now, U should discovered your bullcrap ....

I wouldn't have engaged in Long Epistle if your IQ is better opened beyond drawing conclusion on your misconceptions ....... And I would have used little words, if U could have a grasp , but NO, U couldn't !!!


Go to any Yoruba traditional believer and tell them you are GOD, come and reply me later ?


We re both on Mobile dude !!!

RationalDude: Hey @Donroxy & Folykaze, you guys are changing the scope of this thread. A new thread would be better for your discussion.

bros, U won't believe we are still within the scope of the thread but matter of spirituality is quite esoteric, as such, so many trends need to be analysed cuz one statement/word could cause wahala !!!

I still held that,There is spiritual consequence to sex simply cuz Illicit sex affects Human Algorithm as there usually occurs interchange of alot of properties during Intercourse !!!


@Kaze, Illicit sex with 20Girls doesn't affect your Eledumare, Obatala nor me, it will only affect your Ori (algorithm) and viral Interchange can corrupt your ORI, that is why U are warned to desist so as not to get yaself hurt


but If U say u no send and nothing dey happen, ba da muwa, ka chigaba mana (Hausa), ko si oun ti ko lere oo, o si di ale ki alaburella oo to mo pe ise ni oun se !!

FOLYKAZE:

Im sorry man. Give that up for donroxy.

I give Up on you on this thread dude ..... Meet U on some other threads !!!


Aluta continua

donroxy: bros, U won't believe we are still within the scope of the thread but matter of spirituality is quite esoteric, as such, so many trends need to be analysed cuz one statement/word could cause wahala !!!

I still held that,There is spiritual consequence to sex simply cuz Illicit sex affects Human Algorithm as there usually occurs interchange of alot of properties during Intercourse !!!


@Kaze, Illicit sex with 20Girls doesn't affect your Eledumare, Obatala nor me, it will only affect your Ori (algorithm) and viral Interchange can corrupt your ORI, that is why U are warned to desist so as not to get yaself hurt


but If U say u no send and nothing dey happen, ba da muwa, ka chigaba mana (Hausa), ko si oun ti ko lere oo, o si di ale ki alaburella oo to mo pe ise ni oun se !!

What do the emboldened words mean?

donroxy: U see,
Whenever I attempt to answer somebody's question in an Informal forum like this, I endeavour to answer the next possibly question @ a go !

N.B I don't do that @ a formal settings, I only answer what U ask in a very conscise manner.....

So don't blame me cuz I don't have time to wait till the guy develop another question from my answer ..... !!!


I only attempted to be wholistic and that is quite scholarly, therefore, u get problem with that just deal with it !!!

::::::::::

U see, There is difference between denotative and contextual meanings to word therefore, segregating words in such manner u did above might not give the complete meanings to the word understudy !!!


Baba +Al + awo actually should Implied (''Man + In/OF + cult/brotherhood/fraternity) = Man/baba-In-Fraternity and such is the meaning @ basic level !!!

Awo =Brotherhood, e.g Awo mi (My bossom,My Intimate,My Friend or my Frat i.e My fraternal brother ... Etc) !!


So A babaAlawo or an Adifa doesn't involved in ''Isegun'' ahahaha, eiyah ?

::::::::::

All Adherent of Traditional Yoruba Belief no matter their denomination ''difa'' = to divine/Uses IFA/consult IFA but a complete IFA adherent who doesn't engaged in Amulu-mola doesn't Engaged in what most babalawo do !!! And such is the dichotomy !!!


U can never go to a complete IFA adherent and asked him/her to terminate somebody's life or wreck havoc on somebody's life , LaiLai, even if U are not careful, He/she may take it Upon Himself/herself to protect such fellow besought to be wrecked !!!


But when U go to other Baba-alawo who is not a complete IFA adherent but just ''DIFA''=Uses IFA ..... He will do any sh.it for you !!!, and such would still DIFA in ascertaining the implication of his actions !!


Thereby, the distinction that is so huge for you to decipher is so simplified upthere ..... That if U figured it already !!!


I believed the dude who asked the clarity would have had it @ first grasp, if not, then now !!!

Your translations are Horrible

Babalawo- baba-father. ala-owner,doer or any one relating to an action eg. ALAkobere, ALAriwo, ALAafin. awo-mystery= father who knows the mysteries

Awo has become the Yoruba word for priest(it is used like dat even in Ifa recites)

And Every genuine Babalawo would not agree to harm anybody, do not put classifications on Babalawo.

There are ritual specialist who deal wit causing harm to people, they use the power of the Ajogun spirits

However A Babalawo preaches good character, A Babalawo might help the course for revenge but to a moderate level so the person who did wrong might learn his lesson but that doesn't take away the genuineness of the Babalawo, or puts him in another category, it's more like a personal character

RationalDude: Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

I think your friend is right: I think there is a spiritual side to sex. I also think that the spiritual aspect to sex goes way beyond the 'premarital sex/ fornication' discussion. The esoteric Christians and Sufis as well as other spiritualists often have lots to say on the topic. It's a topic that has been criminally glossed-over/ignored (IMHO), since it's so important. You only have to read 'think and grow rich' where the author is talking about why many men don't become successful til 40 to see how deep the rabbit hole may go...

Alwaystrue:

Sex is meant to be between man and wife. That is how ordained it from the very beginning. Not man and fiancee so premarital sex is WRONG and is Fornication. You join yourself only to your wife or husband. God makes two people one. Sex is marital duty within only husband and wife. People who are comfortable to sleep with those they are not (yet) married to are termed prostitutes. Even those who are bethrothed to marry someone in the bible did not have sex for virginity is priced.

As for the spiritual side, please study the verse below:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

I Corinthians 6:15,16
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh


I Cor. 7:2
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife


Another spiritual side is to note that even when you look lustfully at a woman who is not your wife, sexual immorality has occured.
This is the simple law of the spirit Jesus gave....going ahead to physically carry it out has further placed that person 'under the law'.

Most inspiring post so far backed by scripture.Wish folks could reason with God backed by His word.

When the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is definitely inevitable.

Heard folks in the west have sold their morality to dogs.It's only in African we have some semblance of honour and decency.

I even heard a white folk slept with his donkey, and when he was questioned by authorities,he claimed it was his right since he owned the donkey and it wasn't complaining.He buttressed his argument further by saying since same-sex marriage is legalized there is nothing wrong with what he was doing.Imagine a human-marrying a donkey?

Such perversion is what is giving rise to ALL SORT OF BREEDS in the human race.The genome is corrupted.

Too bad folks here fail to realize, that it is the manufacturer that has the original blueprints.No matter how foolish "the instruction sounds and appeal to their sensibilities".

macof:

Your translations are Horrible

Babalawo- baba-father. ala-owner,doer or any one relating to an action eg. ALAkobere, ALAriwo, ALAafin. awo-mystery= father who knows the mysteries

Awo has become the Yoruba word for priest(it is used like dat even in Ifa recites)

And Every genuine Babalawo would not agree to harm anybody, do not put classifications on Babalawo.

There are ritual specialist who deal wit causing harm to people, they use the power of the Ajogun spirits

However A Babalawo preaches good character, A Babalawo might help the course for revenge but to a moderate level so the person who did wrong might learn his lesson but that doesn't take away the genuineness of the Babalawo, or puts him in another category, it's more like a personal character

You dey mind that Mohamedeen forming omniscient?

Animals have sex too. is there a "spiritual" side to animals romping too?!!