Donalð Genes: Please kindly send a copy of this lemme post this to my Twitter wall for others to read and repent of their sins esp qirls...i need them to repent like serious and some atheist

frosbel: sorry Bro, Hell Fire the way it is preached is a LIE and doctrine of demons.

God is not in the mafia business of using threats to get his way, sounds more like SATAN.

Thanks.

frosbel: ^^

Okay.

Let me ask you a question : If you came to realize that HELL does not exist, will that take out the power of your preaching ?

Ranchhoddas: My own question....1.where will everybody in saudi arabia go to2.where will our ancestors who where worshipping idols before christianity came to our shores go? I believe these two questions are straightforward so i require straightforward answers.

Oduduwaboy: Hmmmmmm.....Hell is real to you because that is what you were scared with since you were born !

My ordinary human mind believes no self -respecting God will create a lake of fire where he knows about 99% of his creations will somehow end up in....including the hell preachers ( remember narrow is the way that leads to eternal life.....!)

Please stop all these scare mongering . Jesus has been coming for the past 2000 years .....

Pastor Olu T:

Smile, nope the power is in the message of the cross (message of Hell inclusive) which is the total gospel, but this is not the way I want us to go about it. Lets look at scriptures n allow it to interprete itself.

Let us start with this;

And do not fear the those who kill the body but can not kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28

What's ur interpretation of this, n pls let us stick to bible and not what we think is right or not based on feelings.

Pastor Olu T:

Smile, nope the power is in the message of the cross (message of Hell inclusive) which is the total gospel, but this is not the way I want us to go about it. Lets look at scriptures n allow it to interprete itself.

Let us start with this;

And do not fear the those who kill the body but can not kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28

What's ur interpretation of this, n pls let us stick to bible and not what we think is right or not based on feelings.

Pastor Olu T:

@ frosbel what do u want me to make of ur attitude, in that u always excuse urself when it comes to reasoning on scriptures u cant seem to rebuff 'cos it clearly shows ur actual denial of the fact?

Pastor Olu T:

If we act like this answering question with question we will, so lets start with the verse I quoted!

Ranchhoddas: is this ur way of saying you don't have an answer to my questions?

frosbel:



Sorry Bro for the delay , being fighting other battles -

Hell here stands for Gehenna a place of destruction , i,e the final place where the wicked will be cast into and experience the second death.

haibe: Hell is real...as long as hell here means the lake of fire and not "a temporary place of punishment".

I believe hell/lake of fire is where all the ungodly will be destroyed at the end of time, I don't see hell as a separate place from the lake of fire because the bible doesn't teach this.

Hell=A place of burning=Lake of fire=Everlasting fire.

In other words I don't believe there is one place where devil is waiting for sinners to come or a place where a sinner goes immediately he dies, no, this idea sounds more like that of the belief of hell/hades in greek mythology which plato layed down.

Devil is waiting for his own punishment too in this same hell we are talking about, he is not tormenting some sinners somewhere but rather possessing the ungodly with his demons 'here on earth'.

Hell is a future event where the ungodly will be destroyed.

Pastor Olu T:

Let us start with this;

And do not fear the those who kill the body but can not kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28

What's ur interpretation of this, n pls let us stick to bible and not what we think is right or not based on feelings.

haibe:

This verse doesn't say much as regards the issue here, it means don't fear those that threaten to kill you In this life because they can't take away your eternal life in the hereafter, but fear God who can destroy you in hell(lake of fire) eternally.

This verse doesn't prove anything much to me, if at all its proving something, it is proving that the body and soul can be destroyed.

Pastor Olu T:

I used that to state the obvious there is a Hell, since u believe that we move directly to Luke 16:19-31. The story of Lazarus and the rich man to prove instant judgement, and also that presently Hell and Heaven remain n some are already there.

So we look closely into this!

frosbel:

but you are confusing things.

The hell mentioned in this parable is hades which means the place of the departed or gravedom.


Jesus only used Gehenna ( hell ) in the context of punishment, in this case destruction.


So my question to you is :

- do we have 2 hells
- if the bible says after death is judgement , then why are people in hell before judgement day, does this mean there are 2 judgments.
- show me in ONE bible verse where Jesus took paradise with him to heaven


I can ask more questions but let me wait for answers to these for now.

Pastor Olu T:


The case of Lazarus n the rich man shows that there is no soul sleep after death, also 'cos man was created as an immortal soul that cant die, though he dies in the flesh bt the soul/spirit lives on!

Pastor Olu T:

Did u read what I posted at all? Lets start from somewhere (which I have stated), iron that out before other questions.

Dux-01:
Frosbel what is a parable in revelation 21 vs 8?something that is literal you call it figurative.Jesus describing a lake that burns with fire and brimstone is that a parable?