Ajuran: Its a wrap, as i assumed, Nubians are more related to Somalis,Ethiopians, Eritreans.

Just look at the history. Axum had overlapping control of Kingdom of Kush, the people from Ethiopia followed the Nile north. Ethiopia and Egypt had several wars.


Bantus stop claiming Nubians. You guys are not related. Be proud of who you are.

Sorry you're the one that needs to stop claiming due to your inferiority complex. It is proven fact that the Ancient Nubians all the way to Nanta Playa were Nile Saharan type.

Sorry but modern studies>>>>Picture spam/opinions.

Ancient Egyptians who grouped closely to their Nubian neighbors clusered closely with modern day Nile Saharan type people than Horners and even modern day Egyptians. Sorry but heres fact.


Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19215865

Again All ''Nubian languages'' are Nilo-Saharan.

Kingdom of Kerma 2500 BC – 1500 BC
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Kush 1070 BC – 350 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Meroitic
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Northern > Old Nubian

Kingdom of Makuria 340 AD - 1312 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Nobatia 350 AD – 650 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Kingdom of Alodia 600s AD - 1504 AD
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian

Modern day Nubian speakers include:

1 million+ North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Dongolawi

1 million Southern Egypt & North Sudan
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Nobiin

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Midob

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Birgid

100,000 North Sudanese
Nilo-Saharan > Eastern Sudanic > Astaboran > Nubian > Hill Nubian

HA! This is too easy.

PAGAN 9JA:
It is however true that Niger HAusa have preserved most of the Ancient Hausa Culture and Religion.

Our Sarraounya, who is our Queen and head of Hausa Religion lives in NIger. She is like our pope (female).

Yah and to be honest, I think Niger Fulani are more traditional than Nigerian Fulani, we just have to be fair. Nigeria is more Westernised than Niger.

ababda:

Well, that is his opinion, and to be quite honest many Northern Sudanese could care either way. Lets be realistic there is not any real border differences btw the nations. What i mean there was obvious interaction with other groups, whether it is the horn, or chad. Also some of the poster quoted similarites with other groups besides the horn, and they also talked about the genetic diversity which in some respect includes all African groups. Also historically, and i think i mentioned it, nearly half of the monuments are in the AfroAsiatic language as well, which we cannot deny, what i am say that the area that is now Northern Sudan, most likely had people that was both Nil Saharan and AfroAsiatic groups. Which the monuments and today faces pretty much indicates, a diversity of different people.

I agree that Chad and Sudan are the most similar countries. However, Chad also has a lot of cultural similarities to Niger and Nigeria.

Fulaman198:

Yah and to be honest, I think Niger Fulani are more traditional than Nigerian Fulani, we just have to be fair. Nigeria is more Westernised than Niger.

The North Westernized?

to an extent maybe yes.

But I believe the truth is that Arewa Nigeria is more Islamized .


P.S. i edited my prev. post. plz check.

Ajuran:


Stop changing your tune cause We have a sudanese brother here. You were jumping up and down and saying you guys are related. Now that he put that to rest don't get mad. [b] Also now you admitted that Hausa came from Sudan [/b]which is the only reason why they speak afroasiatc language. The reason why the Hausa look negroid is cause they mixed with you bantus.


Any way you would have to be crazy to say bantus look like Nubians specially after you know the history of nubians and bantus.

First Picture: Nubian Wedding

Second Picture: Somali wedding

show me a post where i say they were related? Ahahhaha!

Hausas came from sudan?? I see it's quite difficult for a somali (charcant) to comprehend simple english,some few hausas migrated to sudan from nigeria,cos normally they pass through sudan to mecca for hajj pls nigeeer,hausas never came from sudan,but sudanese hausas migrated from nigeria,do u in anyway know the difference btn emigrate and migrate,dullard?

more than 60million hausas are in nigeria,infact they are the largest ethnic group in nigeria,moda'fvcker

these are the 3 main ethnic group in this diverse nation hausa/fulani igbo and yoruba,grab?

the kanuris and some other tribes in north eastern nigeria speak nilo-saharan language,same with the nubians,i hope u read through that article from wikipedia which fulaman posted yesterday,fvcking negro =black=charcant

even the white men call y'all charcant,y'all are the darkest skin africans in this world

ababda:

Well, that is his opinion, and to be quite honest many Northern Sudanese could care either way. Lets be realistic there is not any real border differences btw the nations. What i mean there was obvious interaction with other groups, whether it is the horn, or chad. Also some of the poster quoted similarites with other groups besides the horn, and they also talked about the genetic diversity which in some respect includes all African groups. Also historically, and i think i mentioned it, nearly half of the monuments are in the AfroAsiatic language as well, which we cannot deny, what i am saying that the area that is now Northern Sudan, most likely had people that was both Nil Saharan and AfroAsiatic groups. Which the monuments and today faces pretty much indicates, a diversity of different people.

I'm just stating facts so that Somali supremacist doesn't get any ideas that the Ancient Nubians were his people when they were not. YES! The Ancient Egyptians adopted a Afro-Asaitic language, but that came later though, because the earliest pre-dynastic Egyptians were of Nile Saharan type. And what monuments are you taklking about? Because IIRC the Kushite language was indignous Nubian, but the script itself was Egyptian writing derived. But again the language was Nubian which=Nile Saharan. Or else are you talking about the Ancient Egyptian monuments?

PAGAN 9JA:


The North Westernized?

to an extent maybe yes.

But I believe the truth is that Arewa Nigeria is more Islamized .


P.S. i edited my prev. post. plz check.

Not when our Music is sounding Bollywoodish, yes it is Islamized but w/e. What I mean is that Niger adheres more to the traditional culture. They do not make Bollywood sounding kind of music, nor are there anywhere near as Islamized.

Again like told Ajuran in the other thread. The Greeks refereed to the Nubians as Ethiopians(not modern day Ethiopians). Nubians weren't even their original name. They were called different names by different groups like the Egyptians, Hebrews, Greeks, Romes and even Arabs.

Anyways back to the point. The Greeks referred to the Ethiopians as burnt skin and with woolly hair. The same Woolly hair Ajuran claims Somalis do not have!

Not only that, Ethiopians by the Greeks literally meant BURNT SKIN!!!!

Which touches base on Fulamans claim about Sudan having the darkest people!!!

I feel bad, we have derailed this thread too much. A different thread should be opened up. What we are discussing has absolutely nothing to do with Dinka people and their ethnic markings.

Ajuran: Am so amazed that Bantus who are were being killed by the Nubians and arabs could claim Nubians

Bantus are some strange people wallahi. Do you know the easies way to get to egypt to Ethiopia: RED SEA or Nile River.

lol! Look up the Battle of Dongola and how the Nubians whooped your precious Arabs badly, thus halting Aran influence in Africa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Dongola
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Dongola

The Nubians were always distasteful of the Arabs and other Middle Easterners ever since King Taharqas fight with the Assyrians.

The Nubians in Egypt are oppressed the the Arab Egyptian elite and are called monkeys.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/17/nubian-fury-haifa-wehbe

I guess Arabs see Nubians no different from Bantu's.

KidStranglehold:

I'm just stating facts so that Somali supremacist doesn't get any ideas that the Ancient Nubians were his people when they were not. YES! The Ancient Egyptians adopted a Afro-Asaitic language, but that came later though, because the earliest pre-dynastic Egyptians were of Nile Saharan type. And what monuments are you taklking about? Because IIRC the Kushite language was indignous Nubian, but the script itself was Egyptian writing derived. But again the language was Nubian which=Nile Saharan. Or else are you talking about the Ancient Egyptian monuments?

For example the meroitic language is not fully deciphered, however there are monuments that is written in the Afroasiatic languages, a good example is the nuri pyramids, temple of soleb, el kurru tomb, and parts of the temple of jebal barkal, which was written in the Afro Asiatic language among many others. Which some scholars draw to conclusion from archaeological evacuation that the region was linguistically diverse, which was probably a array of different people.

Nuri pyramids

[img]http://orientenresor.se/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/10/Nuri-F-31-700x350.jpg[/img]

El kurry tomb


temple of soleb.



Buten temple in Sudan national museum.

The wall inscription was in ancient Egypt, which scholars are a to decipher. Whereas the meroitic monuments such as the pyramid fields of Meroe among again many others others scholars are not able to decipher the script in its entirety, but they are getting close. What i am saying, that the area was obviously linguistically diverse, which most likely had both Nilo Saharan speakers and well as AfroAsiatic speakers, and you can see that with the faces today. It is quite obvious, if you are objective.

lets not further derail this thread, and stay on topic.

Fulaman198: I feel bad, we have derailed this thread too much. A different thread should be opened up. What we are discussing has absolutely nothing to do with Dinka people and their ethnic markings.

I agree this is about the Dinka, and they are great people, and i have some dinka friends, but none with those marks. lol

Okay Afro-Asiatic language? Egyptian? Still does not tell us that Cushite type people were in Nubia.

And are you not aware that before the formation of the Kushite Empire, the Ancient Egyptians ruled over the areas south of Upper Egypt and had colones too? The Egyptians greatly influenced the Kushite, even in their own script which I said before. So its no coincidence that you see Afro-Asiatic writing in Kush. Also some of the first temples in Nubia were build by the Egyptians. Not only that, but Kush ruled over Egypt...So again no coincidence that we see Afro-Asiatic writing in Nubia. Still no proof of Cushite type people influencing Nubians like Ajuran and that poster from the Sudanforum are saying.

ababda:

For example the meroitic language is not fully deciphered, however there are monuments that is written in the Afroasiatic languages, a good example is the nuri pyramids, temple of soleb, el kurru tomb, and parts of the temple of jebal barkal, which was written in the Afro Asiatic language. Which some scholars draw to conclusion from archaeological evacuation that the region was linguistically diverse, which was probably a array of different people.

Nuri pyramids

[img]http://orientenresor.se/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/10/Nuri-F-31-700x350.jpg[/img]

El kurry tomb


temple of soleb.



Buten temple in Sudan national museum.

The wall inscription was in ancient Egypt, which scholars are a to decipher. Whereas the meroitic monuments such as the pyramid fields of Meroe among others scholars are not able to decipher the script in its entirety, but they are getting close. What i am saying, that the area was obviously linguistically diverse, which most likely had both Nilo Saharan speakers and well as AfroAsiatic speakers, and you can see that with the faces today. It is quite obvious, if you are objective.

lets not further derail this thread, and stay on topic.

Anyways back on topic.

KidStranglehold: Okay Afro-Asiatic language? Egyptian? Still does not tell us that Cushite type people were in Nubia.

And are you not aware that before the formation of the Kushite Empire, the Ancient Egyptians ruled over the areas south of Upper Egypt and had colones too? The Egyptians greatly influenced the Kushite, even in their own script which I said before. So its no coincidence that you see Afro-Asiatic writing in Kush. Also some of the first temples in Nubia were build by the Egyptians. Not only that, but Kush ruled over Egypt...So again no coincidence that we see Afro-Asiatic writing in Nubia. Still no proof of Cushite type people influencing Nubians like Ajuran and that poster from the Sudanforum are saying.




Anyways back on topic.

I think these Europeans scholars have us all confused, and we need to get off the language bubble, and the nubian term is very i[b]naccurate.[/b] Here is a interesting comment from a guy by the name of (Ta Seti), he is actually Dinka extraction. follow the conversation with him and nubian king, and what he said is pretty much accurate, and scholars even quote this.

http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=89291&page=5

ababda:

I think these Europeans scholars have us all confused, and we need to get off the language bubble, and the nubian term is very i[b]naccurate.[/b] Here is a interesting comment from a guy by the name of (Ta Seti), he is actually Dinka extraction. follow the conversation with him and nubian king, and what he said is pretty much accurate, and scholars even quote this.

http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=89291&page=5

Yes I agree. Nubian is actually a ROMAN origin word.

I'll follow the guy, seems interesting.

Anyways sorry for being a bit wild, but I was actually trying to save you from Ajuran. He's trying to claim Nubian history for himself, while saying us Bantu's have a obsession, when hes the one with the obsessions. I posted facts about the early Nubians just to rain on his parade. Since he has a dislike for those type of Africans. Just be careful of him. He uses Nubians/Northern Sudanese for his racial aganda, like SOME horner supremacist do. Not all them though but those like Ajurans.

But anyways I'm going to check the link out.

ababda:

I agree this is about the Dinka, and they are great people, and i have some dinka friends, but none with those marks. lol

Yah a lot that do not grow up in the forest do not have those markings, some basketball USA players are Dinka none of them have those markings

Fulaman198:

Yah a lot that do not grow up in the forest do not have those markings, some basketball USA players are Dinka none of them have those markings

Yeah, it seems like none of the ones in the West as far as i know have the mark, however i met a few in Egypt that had the mark. I need to talk to one of my Dinka friends and ask how common are these marks? I am assuming it is more so within some village, than in places such as Juba.

@ababda

Fulaman I know this is offtopic and forgive me, but I have to ask ababda this because its been boggling my mind.

Does this have any truth And does Al Bashir really thjinks like this? I just read this...

ETROIT (FinalCall.com) - The United States and the United Kingdom are themselves causing, and then exaggerating, a “crisis” in the African “Motherland’s” largest and possibly wealthiest country—the Sudan—as it’s now called “Darfur,” the country’s president said directly in a live-interactive satellite video conference Feb. 23 with members of the Nation of Islam and reporters attending the Saviours’ Day 2007 conference at Cobo Conference Center.
The U.S. and British news media have consistently exaggerated the death toll in Darfur, just as the U.S. has consistently changed its definition of what Sudan must do, in order to gain Western approval of its peace efforts, according to Pres. Omar al-Bashir.

“There is a problem, and the main cause of that problem is the rebellion,” said Pres. Bashir during the un-rehearsed, and un-censored conversation, which was also broadcast live on Sudanese state-run television. “We’ve done everything possible to try to convince those who bore arms against the state and the people, but all efforts and mediation failed,” he said.

Western, so-called “experts” say an estimated 200,000 to even 400,000 people have been killed and 2.5 million driven from their homes in Darfur since 2003. The true number is closer to 9,000, stated Pres. Bashir.

Pres. Bashir acknowledged that his country is facing a “problem” in Darfur, but he blamed rebel groups that did not sign on to a peace agreement concluded in Abuja, Nigeria in May 2006. Those groups became the focus of media attention, as well as the recipients of aid and arms from outside of the country, he said.

First, there were what the brown-skinned president who would be considered “Black” in the U.S., called “false” charges that his “White, Arab” government enslaved some of its “Black,” African countrymen, and even engaged in rape and genocidal “ethnic cleansing” in order to rob and dominate the country’s Black population in the southern regions of the country. Those charges were proven to be hoaxes by investigative reports.

“Talk of Arabs killing Blacks is a lie,” said Pres. Bashir in what may have been the first inter-active video conference between an African head of state with a Black group in this country. “The government of Sudan is a government of Blacks, with all different ethnic backgrounds,” he continued. “We’re all Africans. We’re all Black.”

The Black “slavery” charges were made to politically bolster the Sudanese People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) and the Liberation Army—the SPLA—in the final months before the conclusion of a 19-year civil war.

With the help of former U.S. Senator John Danforth, a Republican from Missouri, the Islamic government negotiated a peace agreement with the rebels, led by John Garang. The U.S. promised that it would lift economic sanctions against Sudan once the peace treaty was put in force. After concluding a peace agreement in neighboring Nairobi, Kenya, the Sudan is now governed by a “national unity” government, including a Vice President, and several cabinet members from the South.

But then, the Darfur crisis erupted when tribal and cultural differences between nomadic herdsmen and farmers spilled into bloodshed. The U.S. again promised to lift sanctions and a peace agreement was reached last year in Abuja, Nigeria, which included the use of a peace-keeping force of nearly 10,000 troops from the African Union. But the U.S. and British paid more attention to the rebel groups which did not join the Abuja Accord, than it did to those who signed it, said Pres. Bashir.

“There is a problem, and the main cause of that problem is the rebellion,” he said. “We’ve done everything possible to try to convince those who bore arms against the state and the people, but all efforts and mediation failed,” he said.

In response to questions from reporters, Pres. Bashir reiterated his rejection of calls for the deployment of some 22,500 U.N. peacekeepers and police to take over the African Union mission in Darfur, saying it would effectively place Sudan under U.N. control, and he compared the attempt to the U.S. intervention in Iraq.

Nation of Islam Chief of Staff Leonard Farrakhan Muhammad, who extended the invitation to Pres. Bashir, said after the speech it was an important message for the Nation and for others to hear.

“Whatever happens in Africa is the business of Black people,” he declared. “Don’t you dare suggest this is beyond the business of the Nation of Islam.”

There is no “conspiracy” between the Nation of Islam and the Islamic government in Khartoum, the Sudanese Ambassador to the U.S. told the crowd at Detroit’s Cobo Hall. Any U.S. group can prove the openness and accessibility of the Sudanese government by issuing an invitation to the Sudanese leaders, just as the Nation of Islam had done.

Source:
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_3474.shtml

This actually surprised me a bit. Was the situation of Darfur a black vs Arab thing, or was the Western media trying to make it into that? I thought Bashir considered himself Arab?

KidStranglehold: @ababda

Fulaman I know this is offtopic and forgive me, but I have to ask ababda this because its been boggling my mind.

Does this have any truth And does Al Bashir really thjinks like this? I just read this...


Source:
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_3474.shtml

This actually surprised me a bit. Was the situation of Darfur a black vs Arab thing, or was the Western media trying to make it into that? I thought Bashir considered himself Arab?

Interesting, I have not seen or read that report. So i cannot really comment. However the situation in Darfur is very complex, it has a great deal to do with resources, which is the main problem, and people being marginalized.Having said that, this black and arab issue, again it is complex, because there are some tribal issues going on with the different factions within Darfur. Also, over 60 percent of the Sudanese army is of Darfurian origin, so you can see the complexity of the issue, it is not simply Black and White, there are many gray areas.

ababda:

Interesting, I have not seen or read that report. So i cannot really comment. However the situation in Darfur is very complex, it has a great deal to do with resources, which is the main problem, and people being marginalized.Having said that, this black and arab issue, again it is complex, because there are some tribal issues going on with the different factions within Darfur. Also, over 60 percent of the Sudanese army is of Darfurian origin, so you can see the complexity of the issue.

Yeah I agree, I believe it has more to do with resources like oil. I would post more in depth, but I really dont wanna derail this thread any more.

KidStranglehold:

Yes I agree. Nubian is actually a ROMAN origin word.

I'll follow the guy, seems interesting.

Anyways sorry for being a bit wild, but I was actually trying to save you from Ajuran. He's trying to claim Nubian history for himself, while saying us Bantu's have a obsession, when hes the one with the obsessions. I posted facts about the early Nubians just to rain on his parade. Since he has a dislike for those type of Africans. Just be careful of him. He uses Nubians/Northern Sudanese for his racial aganda, like SOME horner supremacist do. Not all them though but those like Ajurans.

But anyways I'm going to check the link out.

This is the last time i will comment on this. I consider Sudan the fault line of the whole of Africa. It borders with its northern neighbor, the Horn of Africa, and the people further south and the Sahel Zone or Chad. In other words, every single last African faces is well represented. A Tigray or Somali can come there and get confuse for Sudanese, Likewise a yoruba can come there and again get confuse for Sudanese, and so a fairskinned berber or tuareg or and American celebrity Halle Berry can be confuse for Sudanese. So, this argument of lookism is quite quite silly,since Sudan is a fault line country of the whole African continent.

Only group we don't have is the Khoisan but then again who knows.

ababda:

This is the last time i will comment on this. I consider Sudan the fault line of the whole of Africa. It borders with its northern neighbor, the Horn of Africa, and the people further south. In other words, every single last African faces is well represented. A Tigray or Somali can come there and get confuse for Sudanese, Likewise a yoruba can come there and again get confuse for Sudanese, and so a fairskinned berber or tuareg or and American celebrity Halle Berry can be confuse for Sudanese. So, this argument of lookism is quite quite silly,since Sudan is a fault line country of the whole African continent.

Only group we don't have is the Khoisan but then again who knows.

Um...I was not the one who brought up lookism, that was Ajuran. I was just warning you of his racial agenda which almost everyone on this site is aware of, even OTHER SOMALIS!!!

I was strictly talking about the ANCIENT Nubians and not modern Sudan like you and Ajuran.

KidStranglehold:

Um...I was not the one who brought up lookism, that was Ajuran. I was just warning you of his racial agenda which almost everyone on this site is aware of, even OTHER SOMALIS!!!

I was strictly talking about the ANCIENT Nubians and not modern Sudan like you and Ajuran.

What is funny we are all the same race but simply different variations of it. That is what i think and believe. but anyway lets get back with the dinka people, which i understand it consist of many different groups.

ababda:

This is the last time i will comment on this. I consider Sudan the fault line of the whole of Africa. It borders with its northern neighbor, the Horn of Africa, and the people further south and the Sahel Zone or Chad. In other words, every single last African faces is well represented. A Tigray or Somali can come there and get confuse for Sudanese, Likewise a yoruba can come there and again get confuse for Sudanese, and so a fairskinned berber or tuareg or and American celebrity Halle Berry can be confuse for Sudanese. So, this argument of lookism is quite quite silly,since Sudan is a fault line country of the whole African continent.

Only group we don't have is the Khoisan but then again who knows.

That is because although overly religious people will get upset with me for saying this, but that is because we all came from Southern Africa. The first Human beings are from there. The Khoisan too have different faces that represent everyone from the world. The oldest human fossils were found in that region of Africa. They also speak the oldest language known to man.

ababda:

What is funny we are all the same race but simply different variations of it. That is what i think and believe. but anyway lets get back with the dinka people, which i understand it consist of many different groups.

The Dinka, would you happen to know what the markings mean whenever they do it? I know a lot of Dinkas do not have these markings, but what do they represent if you know?

email me again ababda, its saying am not connected?