Ajuran:

Answer my question. Are you Nubians more related to Nigerians or Somalis? yes or no? lol

Yes, the following ethnic groups in Nigeria are:

Kanuri, Zarma, Toubou, etc. These groups are all Nilo-saharan like Nubians

Ajuran:

Answer my question. Are you Nubians more related to Nigerians or Somalis? yes or no? lol

Neither.

Edited:

Actually. Agree with Fulaman. Especially on the Kanuri.

The Zaghawa of Nigeria can also be added to that list

Fulaman198:

Yes, the following ethnic groups in Nigeria are:

Kanuri, Zarma, Toubou, etc. These groups are all Nilo-saharan like Nubians

Are you kidding me? So cushitic people who border and controlled Nubians during Axum are not related to Nubians even though they are surrounded by cushitic spears and look like cushitc people. But nigerians are. lmao


Please tell that to the Sudanese guy here.

IIRC the Kanuri people were responsible for the Kanem Empire and didnt the Kanem Empire have close ties to Sudan?

Ajuran:

Are you kidding me? So cushitic people who border and controlled Nubians during Axum are not related to Nubians even though they are surrounded by cushitic spears and look like cushitc people. But nigerians are. lmao


Please tell that to the Sudanese guy here.

Again Cuhsite people NEVER lived on the NILE VALLEY! The only people who do are just the Beja people and they are just ONE group. Where as Nile Saharans always have. looks have nothing to do with anything. Stop with your pseudo nonsense.

Ajuran:

Are you kidding me? So cushitic people who border and controlled Nubians during Axum are not related to Nubians even though they are surrounded by cushitic spears and look like cushitc people. But nigerians are. lmao


Please tell that to the Sudanese guy here.

Kanuri language and Nubian language are 85% the same. Nigeria's diversity is no joke. Read or be left behind Ayanle

KidStranglehold: IIRC the Kanuri people were responsible for the Kanem Empire and didnt the Kanem Empire have close ties to Sudan?

Are you kidding me?

Do you see that Kush, Axum had overlapping territory, and the nile started in Ethiopia. Do you know Axum and Egypt had many wars over the nile. Do you know egypt occupied Somalia for several years incase of a war with Ethiopia?

Nigeria has no contact with Egypt, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan

KidStranglehold: IIRC the Kanuri people were responsible for the Kanem Empire and didnt the Kanem Empire have close ties to Sudan?

It is well-known/documented that no ethnic group in present day Nigeria is from Nigeria. This is evident because there are Kanuris in Nigeria, Niger, Chad. Chad is the Neighbour to Sudan and Nigeria

Fulaman198:

Kanuri language and Nubian language are 85% the same. Nigeria's diversity is no joke. Read or be left behind Ayanle

Exactly...Nigeria is not on a country with the largest population in Africa but also a country with over 500 ethic groups!

I am guilty myself for not thinking Nigerians had Nile Saharans itself and for undermining its diversity in this thread. You have to be specific when you say a Nigerian.

Fulaman198:

It is well-known/documented that no ethnic group in present day Nigeria is from Nigeria. This is evident because there are Kanuris in Nigeria, Niger, Chad. Chad is the Neighbour to Sudan and Nigeria

Agreed...Actually NO modern West Africa is originally from West Africa and I believe I already went over that in our discussion about the ancestors of the Fulani's originally being from the Sahara.

@Ajuran

What is your maps even suppose to prove. Do you not know that the ancestors of the Nubians are originally from Central Sudan. Central Sudan where the Dinka people originate!

Nilo saharan speakers in yellow. Notice no nilosaharan speakers above the sahara desert

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanuri_people

And

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanem-Bornu_Empire

KidStranglehold:

Agreed...Actually NO modern West Africa is originally from West Africa and I believe I already went over that in our discussion about the ancestors of the Fulani's originally being from the Sahara.

@Ajuran

What is your maps even suppose to prove. Do you not know that the ancestors of the Nubians are originally from Central Sudan. Central Sudan where the Dinka people originate!

Very true

Ajuran: Nilo saharan speakers in yellow. Notice no nilosaharan speakers above the sahara desert

Map is very inaccurate

Fulaman198:

Map is very inaccurate

Come on son. Is this one inaccurate too. Cause Nubians speak arabic today. And you can see the only nilosaharans are the bantus in the south who got independence. come on son. You can tell by looking at the northerners that they are more related to Cushitic people than bantus. The northerns killed millions of bantus till south sudan got independence.

Ajuran:

Come on son. Is this one inaccurate too. Cause Nubians speak arabic today. And you can see the only nilosaharans are the bantus in the south who got independence. come on son. You can tell by looking at the northerners that they are more related to Cushitic people than bantus. The northerns killed millions of bantus till south sudan got independence.

Very inaccurate map

Fulaman198:

Very inaccurate map

So every map is inaccurate. Do you know modern Nubians speak Arabic?

Ajuran:

So every map is inaccurate. Do you know modern Nubians speak Arabic?

It's the case in every where in Africa where neighbouring peoples speak another person's language. Do you know that 85% of Fulani people speak Arabic fluently as a result of living nearby Arabs? Nubian language still exists.......Almost every Nigerian Fulani person speaks Hausa, it does not mean that Hausa is our language.....Same goes for Nubians almost every Nubian speaks the same type of Arabic spoken in Nigeria (Shuwa), however it does not mean that Arabic is the language of the Nubians.

I know that map is inaccurate because Hausa is spoken in Burkina Faso, Ghana, and a lot of other West African countries but it is not marked on the map so something is definitely wrong. Also there are Nilo-saharan groups throughout the Western Sahel.

Fulaman198:

It's the case in every where in Africa where neighbouring peoples speak another person's language. Do you know that 85% of Fulani people speak Arabic fluently as a result of living nearby Arabs? Nubian language still exists.......Almost every Nigerian Fulani person speaks Hausa, it does not mean that Hausa is our language.....Same goes for Nubians almost every Nubian speaks the same type of Arabic spoken in Nigeria (Shuwa), however it does not mean that Arabic is the language of the Nubians.

I know that map is inaccurate because Hausa is spoken in Burkina Faso, Ghana, and a lot of other West African countries but it is not marked on the map so something is definitely wrong. Also there are Nilo-saharan groups throughout the Western Sahel.

Speaking another tongue shows you were influenced by a superior Group. This is why Somalis speak Somali.

Ajuran:

Speaking another tongue shows you were influenced by a superior Group. This is why Somalis speak Somali.

Not true, Somalia has 2 official languages, Somali and Arabic. So tell me what that is about...

Fulaman198:

Not true, Somalia has 2 official languages, Somali and Arabic. So tell me what that is about...

That was added during the transitional federal government for purposes of trade and to have more ties to the middle east.
But the only language Somalia has always had was Somali. only 5percent at most of somalis speak arabic and its a second language to them.
We are not like the sudanese who have been arabized. In terms of culture we actually have more in common with people in southern india
than with arabs, and the only arab country we have much in common with is Yemen.

Ajuran:

That was added during the transitional federal government for purposes of trade and to have more ties to the middle east.
But the only language Somalia has always had was Somali. only 5percent at most of somalis speak arabic and its a second language to them.
We are not like the sudanese who have been arabized. In terms of culture we actually have more in common with people in southern india
than with arabs, and the only arab country we have much in common with is Yemen.

Ok cool most Fulani people know their language in addition to knowing neighbouring languages and Arabic. Thus is the lifestyle of the nomad, to know all neighbouring languages.

Fulaman198:

Ok cool most Fulani people know their language in addition to knowing neighbouring languages and Arabic. Thus is the lifestyle of the nomad, to know all neighbouring languages.

Fulanis don't even have their own country Please compare them to somalis.

Ajuran:

Fulanis don't even have their own country Please compare them to somalis.

That's the beauty of African unity, we don't necessarily want our own country. We are proud of our identity of being nomads. A nomad never has a country. That is why we are called Nomads

Fulaman198:

That's the beauty of African unity, we don't necessarily want our own country. We are proud of our identity of being nomads. A nomad never has a country. That is why we are called Nomads

Somalis are nomads and they have their own country named after them mind you.

KidStranglehold:

Cherrypicked photos as usual...First off Nubians are not one monolithic group, but consist of many different tribes. Second off how do you even know people in your photos are even ethic Nubians?? Third...ACTUAL NUBIANS from Sudan.

[img]http://www.sudaneseonline.info/upload13/Jul13/Midob_NubianSchool_Malha_N.Darfur.jpg[/img]
[img]http://2.bp..com/_x3qhxPLWFE8/R1H23vu488I/AAAAAAAAAC4/PdnG9zA3ris/s200/worker+in+the+clinic1021.jpg[/img]



Forth...Again you don't even know what Bantu means, so stop using the word since you're humiliating yourself badly. SOUTHERN SUDANESE ARE NOT BANTU!!!!!!! Meanwhile these people are! HA!


Fifth...Stop putting words in my mouth, just because of your broken argument. When did I say Nigerians were closely related to the Nubians?? Where?? More projection and Nigerians are not Bantu.

Actually the first group are Fur, and they are from the Darfur region. If you consider them Nubian and that is another subject of debate.

Now these people are nubians from northern Sudan nile valley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxO26pe7izw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzc6GRSCf24


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IVqvJvlse4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cJdp1cx2w



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OERd05V5w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWIwh0D_TLY
This is everyday people. As far as who is related to who as far as people personal opinion , It depends on who you are talking to. Some people talk about greater unity with parts of Egypt and the Horn of Africa, due to similarity of look of some people, and to a certain extent culture especially with Eritrea. Some see some similiarities with the people of Chad, and other advocate greater African unity. Many cultural Nubians feel like a island to themselves or consider themselves unique, from other groups. So, everything depends on the individual.

^^^^

Their Meidob Nubians, not Fur. Yes I believe they do live in the Darfur region but their not Fur but Nubian.

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quote-
During this time the kingdom of Nubia was a power and its kings
treated as equals with those of Egypt and other countries of the Near
East. Its chief legacy to modern times is in the Nubian language,
spoken in various dialects from Silsileh in Egypt to Debba in the
Sudan, and which, in spite of being surrounded for centuries by Arabic
speech, has maintained its hold on the people and is still vigorous
and cherished, although no longer written.

Its culture was predominantly that of a nation of riverain peasant
cultivators, as are the modern Nubians, but it maintained contact with
and influenced peoples in the desert to east and west. Pieces of the
characteristic pottery of the kingdom of Dongola have been found in
the Khor Nubt in the Red Sea Hills, and an inscription in Old Nubian
has been found in the Abu Negila hills of northern Kordofan.


Where these people of Nubian speech came from may never be known with
certainty, but the close resemblances between some of the languages of
the Nuba hills, of Jebel Meidob, in the far west, and river Nubian
suggests that they came from the west and south west. The inscription
of the Axumite king Aezanes in the year A.D. 350 speaks of 'Noba' at
Merod. This may well refer to Nubians, and if so, it is their first
appearance in history.

In the year A.D. 297 the Roman Emperor Diocletian called in a people
known as the Nobate from the oases of the western Egyptian desert, to
defend the southern frontier of his Empire at Aswan from the raids of
the Blemmyes, who arc probably the Beja of the Red Sea Hills.

These Noba and Nobatae settled along the river, and soon the original
population had intermarried with them and adopted their language. The
Blemmyes were defeated, as is known from the Greek inscription of
Silko at Kalabsha which may be dated about A.D. 530. Here Silko, who
calls himself 'Basiliskos' or kinglet of the Nobatae, describes
fighting the Blemmyes from Ibrim to Shellal and extracting an oath of
submission from them.

________
The Meidob Nubian civilization.
Meidob Hills.

As shown in Figure 18, the Meidob Hills are located in Jebel Meidob in
the north-
eastern corner of the Darfur providence. These hills are a
concentration of volcanic hills
and deep ravines. The depression in the west side of the hills is
known as the Malha
crater, which contains valuable deposits of rock salt and muddy salt.
This crater also has
fresh water springs and a small lake. The salt gathered from the lake
by the Meidob
inhabitants is sold to the neighboring Arabs on the trade markets
(McGregor 2001:116).
Archaeological sites containing cities, stone borrrows, and rock paintings are
found all over the hills. The hills were populated by groups of people
who spoke a
Nubian related language, and were semi-nomadic. This region?s ruins,
the language, a
tradition of matrilineal succession, and a claim by the Meidobis to be
Mahas Nubians in
origin are all usually offered up as proof of rising influence in
Darfur by Christian
Nubians (McGregor 2001:116).


Nubians likely migrated to Jebel Meidob from Kordofan,
not the Nile Valley. Traditional customs found to be Nubian from the
Nile Valley were
likely brought in over time through trade and further migrations.
During the rainy season,
the deserts of the north attract the herds from the Zaghawa and the
Meidob from Darfur
(O?Fahey 1980:2). Artifacts found within these cities place the
occupancy up until the
presence of iron tools around the 15 and 16 centuries (McGregor 2001:120).

Within the lava field of the Malha crater in the Meidob Hills is a
large unwalled
settlement known as the Malha City. This city consists of stone-ridged
huts, with the
stone remains consisting of fortification on the perimeter (McGregor
2001:118). The
cities of Malha and Abu Garan are estimated to have supported
population sizes of 6,000
people during a time of significantly higher rainfall.

In the Meidob Hills, people thrived
on a salt trade in the city of Malha (O?Fahey 1980:3). The origins of
the Meidobis are
estimated to be somewhere around the later Meriotic culture of the
Nile Valley, and
transitioned in the Tora culture of early Darfur (McGregor 2001:120).
groups: Nobiin is located near the Nile River, the Meidob is located
in the Meidob hills
of north-eastern Darfur, the Birged (Birked) is located in Central
Darfur, the Kenzi-
Dongola is located near the Nile River, and the Hill Nubian is located
near the northern
and northwestern Nuba mountains near Kordofan (McGregor 2001:120). The
inhabitants
of the Meidob Hills are divided into four sections: the Uri located in
the northern hills,
the Torti whom are located in the west hills, the Shelkota whom are
located in the
southern hills, and the Wirdato whom are allied with the Shelkota in
the southern hills.
The Shelkota line of kings has gone through three dynasties, and the
last dynasty passed
through its generations until the late 19 century (McGregor 2001:116).

The settlement pattern of the Meidob Hills located in Jebel Marra is quite
different than the rectangular architecture complexes built by the
Tila Island inhabitants.
Variation in the traditional building styles of the Meidob Hills and
Tila Island are present
by basic structural shape and size transition, as well as overall
settlement size reduction.
As shown in Figure 19a and 19b, housing complexes of the Meidob Hills
were mainly
created out of stone, and in a circular shape that became the dominant
shape of huts and
mosques affiliated with the Fur architecture style from the 17
century to the present. The
barrows of the Meidob Hills served as shelter, religious centers, and
tomb complexes.
Though the Meidob inhabitants worshipped Islam, they also kept the practice of
worshipping holy stones in their religious complexes. Ceremonies of
worship were
primarily for making rain for the lakes in the city of Malha.
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Source for the Meidob

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7IvEaBiNVxcJ:http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/1793/36635/3/Gutierrez,%2520Shaheen%2520-%2520Settlement%2520Migratory%2520Pa tterns%2520Fur%2520Tribe%2520Darfur,%2520Sudan.pdf.txt%2Bmeidob+nile+valley+origin&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&client=firefox&hl=en&nfpr=&spell=1&ct=clnk


http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/1793/36635/3/Gutierrez,%20Shaheen%20-%20Settlement%20Migratory%20Patterns%20Fur%20Tribe%20Darfur,%20Sudan.pdf.txt



http://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/36635/Gutierrez,%20Shaheen%20-%20Settlement%20Migratory%20Patterns%20Fur%20Tribe%20Darfur,%20Sudan.pdf.txt;jsessionid=1k1kkyncaig3h ?sequence=3



http://www.sarpn.org/documents/d0001277/PNADC475_Darfur_Febr2005_Chap2.pdf

If nubians and sudanese are more related to bantus, why did they try to kill them, over a million died. lmao
I wish this forum had people from sudan.

Ajuran:

not a lot from the pictures i saw. Cause never seen any blacks with soft hair except for a small unmixed fulanis.

Its funny cause now that this Somali lady is the kenyan foreign minister their showing her off saying that kenyans are beautiful. lmao

Man when ever i see people saying kenyans are pretty, i see them using pics of the somalis,ethiopians and indians in kenya.

but yeah a lot of people thought the Kenyan Foreign minister was Indian, but got mad when they found out she was somali, racist kenyans.

and they say we are racist, kenyans would rather be ruled by indians than somalis. Before somalis came to capital of kenya, they were getting ripped off in business by the indians, we opened a lot of shops and made stuff cheaper.

You will be surprised....

Ajuran: If nubians and sudanese are more related to bantus, why did they try to kill them, over a million died. lmao
I wish this forum had people from sudan.

Actually there are 3 of us here i believe, me copt, a sudanese hausa person, and another sudanese. However we rarely post here, because we don't really understand the landscape here, and frankly what happens here is none of our business, so why should a Sudanese consistently post here, because it does not make sense.

We don't call them bantus or nilotes but simply Junub or Junubee or southerners, (trust me) there is differences in opinion in regards to relationship with southerners including the nuba in the kodorfan region. However i will not discuss that here. If you have questions simply go to our website.

http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?p=2574785#post2574785
http://www.sudanforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2

We will be more than willing to answer your questions, it may produce a lively debate among our members. LOL

I am there as well under the same name.