HEnna is for women , not for men.

Well it looks like Henna is new as you don't really see it. But in Somali culture its everywhere especially during weddings. But in Ethiopia they don't have Henna, in Kenya the bantus don't have it. Weird how somethings skip certain people. But Khat is used in Somalia, Kenya (somalis use it in kenya), and Southern Arabia. The Sarong is used in Somalia, India, Indonesia. The head jewelry for weddings is used in Eritrea, Somalia, Djibouti, India.


so a lot of things get transmitted during trade.

PAGAN 9JA:


who said it is the whole world.

why are you intent upon belittling our tribes, villages, etc.


Do you think the entire Africa is a village?

Typical american ignorance and menality.

Didnt I just say that SS University students studying abroad had them and suppored these marks?

Do you think Lagos, Kano, etc., are villages? People do tribal marks even in these places.

Why don't YOU actually read what you posted...? You said this isn't America and I countered by saying this isn't some Tribal Village. This has nothing to do with American ignorance wise guy. Read what kandiikane posted because she actually brought up a good point. She said what if those kids ventured out of their village and into the bigger world. Then what Which is why me, Kandiikane and onila brought up those Dinka kids being FORCED to get scarification. Lets just say that one Dinka kid wanted to venture out of his village, yet still have those scars on his face(those scars which he never even wanted) and tries to apply for a professional job. Then what? What if he/she never wanted them or nothing of the tribes traditions. Its not about what you think, but also others. You need to grasp that. You get brining up listening to the elders, but what about that INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

You said certain students in your university had scars, were there a bunch of scars on there face

PAGAN 9JA:


you think that kid doesnt know what is happening?

That kid will grow up and do it on his son.

A kid may not even like to eat certain kinds of food.

Does that mean we stop feeding him?


Enough of your concern. Our kids are our concern.

You still don't get it do you? You think we live in the age where the evil forest was the end of all. I have asked you to describe these scar of yours. Obviously, if one was brought up, lives and dies in one place that is all they would know.

@somalia9/Ajuran

You just deflated your own argument with that map...
[img]http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1413058_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_-_affected_countries_png8963f5a40c52cc90b67475aba061016c[/img]

You said Henna was not practiced by Bantus at all, but your shows Henna being in Bantu majority countries like Kenya, Tanzanian and South Africa.

KidStranglehold: @somalia9/Ajuran

You just deflated your own argument with that map...
[img]http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1413058_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_-_affected_countries_png8963f5a40c52cc90b67475aba061016c[/img]

You said Henna was not practiced by Bantus at all, but your shows Henna being in Bantu majority countries like Kenya, Tanzanian and South Africa.

what an idiot, that map is the tsunami from 2004, i just used it to show how close countries in east africa are to asia.

can't you see the indonesian circles imitating from where the tsunami happened.

I never seen kenyans use henna, even though their is a large indian population in kenya.

But in somalia henna is part of the culture, the men use it to make their hair orange, cause religion says you can make yourself young by dying your hair its natural color.

thats why you see somali men with orange hair. and the women use it on their body.

KidStranglehold:


No ones really exaggerating. I'm just showing the difference between scarification and tattooing.

The puncture mark you displayed with that knife was much deeper than incisions done during their ethnic marking ceremonies.

KidStranglehold:

Why don't YOU actually read what you posted...? You said this isn't America and I countered by saying this isn't some Tribal Village. This has nothing to do with American ignorance wise guy. Read what kandiikane posted because she actually brought up a good point. She said what if those kids ventured out of their village and into the bigger world. Then what Which is why me, Kandiikane and onila brought up those Dinka kids being FORCED to get scarification. Lets just say that one Dinka kid wanted to venture out of his village, yet still have those scars on his face(those scars which he never even wanted) and tries to apply for a professional job. Then what? What if he/she never wanted them or nothing of the tribes traditions. Its not about what you think, but also others. You need to grasp that. You get brining up listening to the elders, but what about that INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

You said certain students in your university had scars, were there a bunch of scars on there face

I am sure his scars are not as horrific as those in the pictures, if they were, we won't be having this argument. His probably look like nail scratches.

Ajuran:


what an idiot, that map is the tsunami from 2004, i just used it to show how close countries in east africa are to asia.

can't you see the indonesian circles imitating from where the tsunami happened.

Um....Maybe your could have hinted that or maybe your were just flat out lying because I found a loop hole in your claims.

I mean whats the point of showing how close East African countries are to Asia

Also Henna existed in Ancient Egypt before Asia...So I read.

Ajuran:

fulanis wear but i doubt bantus, cause kenyans don't have henna, Somalis, southern Arabs, Indians are the people who mostly use henna.

I doubt a zulu, or non fulani west african would know what henna is. and even in fulani, its a new thing, In somalia henna has been used for hundreds of years during weddings.

Henna has been in West Africa for thousands of years, what do you think Wodaabe Fulani men use in Gerewol to impress women during the showings? It is used by a lot of ethnic groups not just Fulani

kandiikane:

I am sure his scars are not as horrific as those in the pictures, if they were, we won't be having this argument. His probably look like nail scratches.

Agreed. And again our argument is NOT REALLY scarification ITSELF, but it being forced on children without their own concern. This has nothing to do with America. lol...

KidStranglehold:

Um....Maybe your could have hinted that or maybe your were just flat out lying because I found a loop hole in your claims.

I mean whats the point of showing how close East African countries are to Asia

Also Henna existed in Ancient Egypt before Asia...So I read.

because a lot of the things in somalia like the henna, sarong, jewelry, sambuusa, are the same as in india and maldives.

i can get you a map of where i got that map, with a link, check it out yourself

its on wikipedia, here the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami


lol at the idea of south africans, tanzanians using henna. lmao

Ajuran:

because a lot of the things in somalia like the henna, sarong, jewelry, sambuusa, are the same as in india and maldives.

i can get you a map of where i got that map, with a link, check it out yourself

its on wikipedia, here the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami


lol at the idea of south africans, tanzanians using henna. lmao

Again this was because I deflated your argument. lol...Now you admitted it was just a Tsunami map. Why not just post a regular map? Or even Indian Ocean trade map to prove your point?

KidStranglehold:

Again this was because I deflated your argument. lol...Now you admitted it was just a Tsunami map. Why not just post a regular map? Or even Indian Ocean trade map to prove your point?

cause that was the only map that was under 200kb that i can use.

i thought it would be obvious with the epicenter of the map coming from indonesia.

Ajuran:

because a lot of the things in somalia like the henna, sarong, jewelry, sambuusa, are the same as in india and maldives.

i can get you a map of where i got that map, with a link, check it out yourself

its on wikipedia, here the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami


lol at the idea of south africans, tanzanians using henna. lmao

Henna was brought to somalia.

It is actually very common where I am from.

kandiikane:

Henna was brought to somalia.

It is actually very common where I am from.

i don't know if it was brought, but i know we have been using it for a long time.

But also i think the indians got a lot of things from us, as only southern indians who are brown skin share some of customs and culture, and food.

Again my beef is not really with scarification itself. If you want it then knock yourself out. My beef is children being forced to get it without it being their own choice.

Fulaman198:

Now I'm going to go into apples and oranges. It is a traditional practise for them. Basically, it is like you telling me hey, you Fulani man you are not allowed to herd cattle anymore, or you are not allowed to be a desert dweller and ride camels. You are to do things our way and become 'modernised'. I don't want you wearing a turban because it looks barbaric, take that thing off you Fulani dog.

Get my drift?

This doesn't even make sense. Oh, we could also say, 'hey, you just fornication, we are now going to stone you until you die.' Why, oh because it is tradition.

I can assure you the percentage of women who have been mutilated for traditional purposes and hate the practice is higher than the old senile and uneducated women who push for it.

Ajuran:

i don't know if it was brought, but i know we have been using it for a long time.

But also i think the indians got a lot of things from us, as only southern indians who are brown skin share some of customs and culture, and food.

Lol that is because you are indians. No, but as I've said majority of your culture was imported.

kandiikane:

This doesn't even make sense. Oh, we could also say, 'hey, you just fornication, we are now going to stone you until you die.' Why, oh because it is tradition.

I can assure you the percentage of women who have been mutilated for traditional purposes and hate the practice is higher than the old senile and uneducated women who push for it.

I'm sure those people throwing stones are huge sinners themselves. Yet they throw stones. As I stated previously, human beings are huge hypocrites. Even if they have done something before or still do it or something similar to it, they think they can tell someone else who is doing the same thing to stop doing it.

In regards to human private parts being transformed, that is for a different thread. Ethnic markings are far different and far less painful.

kandiikane:

Lol that is because you are indians. No, but as I've said majority of your culture was imported.

In india, we got a lot in common with the drividians who are the brown skin ones.

A lot of our culture is also ancient, like or language. But i think we gave indians a lot of things or they got it from us, cause somalis are sea faring people.

This is why you see ethiopian culture is boring compared to Somali culture, cause of our trade with Persians, Arabs, Indians, Asians.

We are not indian, as indian is just a recent country that has many different ethnic group. While Somalis are very old people, you can tell just by look at our faces. We look very noble, and have distinct and unique features and culture.

Fulaman198:

I'm sure those people throwing stones are huge sinners themselves. Yet they throw stones. As I stated previously, human beings are huge hypocrites. Even if they have done something before or still do it or something similar to it, they think they can tell someone else who is doing the same thing to stop doing it.

In regards to Instruments being transformed, that is for a different thread. Ethnic markings are far different and far less painful.

What?. You are arguing something very different. And how exactly is scarification far different to mutilation. You can't pick one and leave the other. They are both painful and they both leave scars behind and guess what, they are both tradition.

Ajuran:

In india, we got a lot in common with the drividians who are the brown skin ones.

A lot of our culture is also ancient, like or language. But i think we gave indians a lot of things or they got it from us, cause somalis are sea faring people.

This is why you see ethiopian culture is boring compared to Somali culture, cause of our trade with Persians, Arabs, Indians, Asians.

We are not indian, as indian is just a recent country that has many different ethnic group. While Somalis are very old people, you can tell just by look at our faces. We look very noble, and have distinct and unique features and culture.

Your features aren't unique though. It is very common. Well except the forehead.

kandiikane:

Your features aren't unique though. It is very common. Well except the forehead.

our features along with our forehead is unique for a people with our skin color, but they are common in the cushitic people who live in Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea. But you don't see people with our features, body type, skin color except us.

attack of the foreheads. aka female somali soldiers.

kandiikane:

What?. You are arguing something very different. And how exactly is scarification far different to mutilation. You can't pick one and leave the other. They are both painful and they both leave scars behind and guess what, they are both tradition.

You are talking about a reproductive organ vs. a body part that doesn't really affect anything. Two very far different things.

If someone cut me near my private part, and then cut me on my arm which would feel worse? Two very different things. You can not compare a reproductive organ to a place that is well protected on the body.

Ajuran:

our features along with our forehead is unique for a people with our skin color, but they are common in the cushitic people who live in Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea. But you don't see people with our features, body type, skin color except us.

attack of the foreheads. aka female somali soldiers.

Oh apart from the forehead it is very common but just like many ethnicities you have a certain look which distinguishes you from everyone.

Fulaman198:

You are talking about a reproductive organ vs. a body part that doesn't really affect anything. Two very far different things.

If someone cut me near my private part, and then cut me on my arm which would feel worse? Two very different things. You can not compare a reproductive organ to a place that is well protected on the body.

Lol the vagina does not reproduce. They are all tbe same, no argument there. Whether they are on the face or vagina, they are all cultural practices that doesn't benefit anyone.

kandiikane:

Oh apart from the forehead it is very common but just like many ethnicities you have a certain look which distinguishes you from everyone.

Where do you think this woman is from?

kandiikane:

Lol the vagina does not reproduce. They are all tbe same, no argument there. Whether they are on the face or vagina, they are all cultural practices that doesn't benefit anyone.

As aforementioned kind of like how a tattoo does not benefit anyone? It is the same concept.

Fulaman198:

As aforementioned kind of like how a tattoo does not benefit anyone? It is the same concept.

tattoos are choices adults make. It is regulated to make sure minors do not get them done. It is a choice so no they are not the same concept.

Ajuran:

Where do you think this woman is from?

Gambia

kandiikane:

Gambia

Lmao, no, she's somali, you can tell by the hair. She's the new Kenyan Foreign Minister, but she's ethnically Somali.

Never seen a gambian with hair and features like that somali lady.