Ayinba1,
           I'm not saying that the disciple was a terrorist.I was just completing the story about Jesus and the use of sword in that physical fight against one's enemies is condemned by Jesus.He rightly said that His kingdom isnt of this world.

ayinba1:

@david
"Sell your garments to buy swords"

"sword" means "spiritual" sword, the same "sword" carried by "disciples" for "self defence" definitely not for "war". War ke, oo  ti o.

"Sword", misunderstood by disciples to mean sword. "Swords" (carried by disciples) so small they (disciples) could conceal it from Jesus(God/Jesus/holy ghost = trinity) hence he could not correct them that they misunderstood him,  and disciple later produced it to cut someone's ear.

You have little understanding and that is why you are so astounded that I do not speak evil about the followers of Jesus/Isa (AS) because you see David, you are not a follower of Jesus, you just think you are.

Got it!

you make a lot of noise, write a lot of chaff but make very little sense. Sad but true.  

- Lets see where the sword issue was first brought up. Luke 22:36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

That above is the phrase that you hypocrites are hiding your violent lifestyle behind . . . it wont wash on closer scrutiny.

when those same disciples tried to use the physical swords they had (thinking that Christ had meant them to purchase physical swords for a physical fight) here is what Christ Himself said - Matthew 26:52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

But hello, isnt there a contradiction here? Christ asked them to get a sword not so? Within the very same scene He is discouraging them to use the swords they were to sell their cloaks to buy?

simple - it was because the disciples were not initially aware that the "swords" Christ talked about was NOT a physical sword of war but one for spiritual warfare . . . brother Paul describes that sword here - Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Aha, the "war" is not against flesh and blood . . .

Again brother Paul explains further . . . 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

For the ignorant - carnal means physical . . . so truly the weapons Christ talked about in Luke 22 were not physical BUT meant for spiritual warfare as is described in Ephesians 6?

Well brother Paul again helps us to clearly define that sword - Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

There we go . . . Now we understand more clearly what swords we were to sell our cloaks to buy.

Sadly i do not think our muslim brethren will understand this at all . . . for indeed they are blind and dead in their sins.

Thank you Pastor david,

Exactly what I was saying in my previous post. You only buttressed my point with some red bolded biblical verses.

And Paul? Yeah now I remember, he was present too!!!

ayinba1:

Thank you Pastor david,

Exactly what I was saying in my previous post. You only buttressed my point with some red bolded biblical verses.

I didnt "buttress" your points, rather i exposed them for the fallacy they were.

You i reply mainly because i find you more insiduous than the other babblers here.

ayinba1:

And Paul? Yeah now I remember, he was present too!!!

Just as well as Mohammad was present to record all those tales he put in his quran?

Are the following calculated to inspire peace or are they meant to inspire fear and terror?

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)


This is terrorism in every sense of the word

@Davidylan:

simple - it was because the disciples were not initially aware that the "swords" Christ talked about was NOT a physical sword of war but one for spiritual warfare . . . brother Paul describes that sword here - Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Aha, the "war" is not against flesh and blood . . .

Again brother Paul explains further . . . 2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

For the ignorant - carnal means physical . . . so truly the weapons Christ talked about in Luke 22 were not physical BUT meant for spiritual warfare as is described in Ephesians 6?

Well brother Paul again helps us to clearly define that sword - Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

There we go . . . Now we understand more clearly what swords we were to sell our cloaks to buy.

Sadly i do not think our muslim brethren will understand this at all . . . for indeed they are blind and dead in their sins.

David had turn his religion to mere laboratory experiments. Its funny that he forgot that he said that they purchased the Sword because its parts of the acutrents of journey, along with staffs, etc. But the same Jesus said that he was not on earth to bring peace but war. What do you use for war, especially when he said that the children will be set against the parents? Are all of these spiritual and not physical?

Just as well as Mohammad was present to record all those tales he put in his quran?  

Except that Muhammad (as) ws an elect of God. Watch this Muhammad, rasulullah. Thats in the Qur'an. And you need to learn that the dome of the rock is where he ascended to heavens and came back, in one night! And all of Christianity and Judaism are fighting to reclaim it, yet in all, it is in the hands of the Muslims.  Think about that. In all your splendor, it is beneath the feet of the noble prophet (AS).

It took Paul who was absent throughout the 33 years of the life of Jesus to know better than Jesus who was the elect of father god? Yet it was Jesus  who spoke, in the place of father god! Is Paul not the leader of Christianity, in a higher ranking than Jesus, if you pay attention to details? We need paul to set straight what Jesus kinda present with whatever interpretation anyone choose to come out with. David is a haha person.

I think the Poster's question is quite clear and it needs a straightforward answer.We have digressed form the topic and need to answer the poster.
 Q : Is it biblical to hate Muslims especially terrorists?
 A : No,it isn't biblical to hate muslims,terrorists or anyone for that matter because we as Xtians have been called to love our fellow man,love our enemies,pray for those who persecute us or despitefully use us (Matt 5:43-48).It can be really difficult to love one's enemies when they hurt us,but it isnt impossible as long as we let God have His way through us.
    All that digression on Muslims being terrorists and Xtians being terorists is not really neccessary because of the following :
 (a) any terrorist act carried out by any so-called Xtian starting from the Crusades (they did theirs for political aggrandisement) ,to Anti-abortionists and all what noughts  has no Biblical backing/sanctioning. They are serving themselves and their acts do not please God nor do they get approval from Him.Some people say USA is the worst terrorist of all and that it is a Xtian nation.On the contrary,it isn't a Xtian nation ,it is a highly CAPITALISTIC country that looks for what it will gain be it Oil or military might/arsenal.

 (b) the Muslim terrorists on the other hand,have a Qu'ranic backing for their acts.There is a plethora of approval of such acts in the Qu'ran.'Moderate' Muslims call such terrorist 'extremists' but they are not extremists in the true sense! They are Muslims (Q.E.D) and are just following what their holy book says.The Moderate Muslims are embarrassed with all the bombings ,hijackings and all what noughts and they quickly say such acts are 'extremists' which isn't so.To Non-Muslims such acts are labelled 'terrorism' but to true Muslims,that is Islam for you.
   
    We Xtians love our fellow men and we will pray for and forgive those who hurt us (even if we r dying,we will forgive and not curse).

olabowale:

David is a haha person.

Olabowale is a circus clown.

@David

weird isn't it. You are the only one laughing.

@Malama

Impressive turnaround wouldn't you say?

One woulda thought that you were being objective at first but I see that some raw nerves have been hit and you believe that putting Islam down will make you feel better.

Now, how come you have so much knowledge about Islam and the Quran? You want to post here those Quranic verses that support what the 9-11 actors did? That would be enlightening.

We are all entitled to our opinions but do not insult our collective intelligence by pretending to be truthful or objective. At least we may not agree with David but we sure know where he stands.

The hate of muslims is not condoned by the Bible. The Bible calls us to love our enemies, which includes those who want to kill us or whose religion calls for our death, i.e. muslims.

You may be angry at the them, but you must not act on that anger and you will have to forgive and forget soon enough. Let the anger go, love is much more powerful. Especially love for God.

ayinba1:

@David

weird isn't it. You are the only one laughing.

I like it that way, i'd feel uncomfortable laughing with wolves in sheep's clothing.

By the way i read Malama's post at least 3 times searching desperately for what you claim to be her attempt at "putting Islam down". I still dont find any. I'm left with the understanding that its simply the usual crying whenever the truth of islam is exposed.

@Of course you wouldn't see it, we all know that!

Ayinba1,
there is no turn around here for me.Is it because I presented Islam-cum-terorism as it truly is that you now say I'm not being objective? Seems to me that u are a 'moderate' muslim .
Surah 2:216 ' Fighting is obligatory to u as much as you dislike it'
Surah 2:191 ' Kill all unbelievers wherever u find them, '
Surah 8:65 'Fight the unbelievers, until no other religion than Islam is left (Surah 2:193)
Surah 47:4 ' When u meet unbelievers,smite at their necks, '
Surah 9:29 ' Fight against those who have been given the scripture (jews and xtians), and forbid not, until they pay the tribute readily,being brought low'
Need I say more? There are many more u can check in your copy of the Qu'ran. They are not my fabrications.In this era of political correctness,we all want to be 'careful' and avoid stepping on toes but the truth must be told. Islamic terrorists have been given a pat on the back for their terrorism by Allah and Mohammed. Xtians who do similar stuff have God's wrath to face unless they repent.
The Poster's question is directed at Xtians and we have been able to provide answers for him/her.Apart from the furore generated over which religion has terrorists or not, I doubt if any Muslim can show us from the Qu'ran that we should love our enemies .

Funny,the Poster is yet to make some comments on all of these.Comments are just flying left,right and centre and he is enjoying the show and twiddling his thumbs
Ayinba1,
I have no interest in Islam whether they preach peace or terrorism and it doesn't hange me in the least ie I dont feel better/good.What I presented is Islam as it is (Q.E.D.),Moh'd and Allah wrote ur book.If u think Islam has been put down,ask Mohammed!!!

@malama,

Pls read below and deny that these are excerpts from the bible.  As for the verses that you quoted, I will be responding insha Allah,verse by verse.

I have edited some of the associated comments but the verses are easily verifiable



There are obviously many other examples of brutality in the Bible (the best summary I've seen is Gregg Easterbrook's "Beside Still Waters".
Forgive my sloppiness, but it seemed useful to make a point, which is not that Christianity or Judaism are inherently violent but rather that the exercise of scanning ancient texts and pulling out passages depicting violence is of dubious value.
Citations:

For a particularly nice summary of the Bible's violent elements see Gregg Easterbrook's wonderful book, "Beside Still Waters."
A village is raided and everyone killed "until their was not one survivor left." (This is actually from Numbers 21:35, the story of the taking of Bashan.)


After another battle, troops have slain many men but the "prophet" is disturbed that male infants weren't killed--so he sends the troops back to finish the job. (This actually occurs in Numbers 31:14-17, when Israel takes vengeance on the Mid'ianites.)



[b]They are shown to be not only brutal but treacherous (history worth remembering as we consider peace treaties). In one battle, the people of the scriptures promised peace to a tribe nearby and then, when they were lulled into complacency, massacred "all the males." They kept the women as slaves. (This is a story from Genesis 34:25, when Simeon and Levi take vengeance on Shechem, who had defiled their sister Dinah.)[/b]The hatred for other faiths: At one point, the Jews of the area had offered peace and Elijah invited them to a ceremony to declare peace. Instead, Elijah massacred the 950 of them. (As Elijah does, in I Kings 18:40, to the followers of the false God Ba'al.)


Later, when some of his followers strayed by following non-scriptural sex practices, God literally directs a slaughter of another 24,000: "take all the heads of the people and hang them up before God against the sun." (This slaughter occured in Numbers 25:9, when some Isarelites were found to have joined the Moabites in improper sex.)

In one case, some foods were not cooked according to the laws, and the two men were immediately executed. (The Lord smites Nadab and Abi'hu, the sons of Aaron, in Leviticus 10:2, for offering an unholy sacrifice.)



At one point, some people had the temerity to question one of the dietary laws and God supposedly responded by sending poisonous snakes to kill people. At another point, Joshua had led his troops to victory but then proceeded to murder and then mutilate the Instruments of the opponents. In one case, they set fire to a walled city and then wait of the fleeing victims and slaughter them as they try to escape. (As Joshua and the people of Israel do to the city of Ai in Joshua 8:22.)


In one case, a mob is attacking a man and he responds by offering his own daughter to be raped. (As in Judges 19:24.)

In some cases, it specifies that women who are raped should be executed. (One of these cases appear in Deuteronomy 22:23-27.)

In another case, God literally instructs that to repopulate a diminished tribe they should go to a nearby field, wait for the women to come out, kidnap, rape and marry them. (In Judges 21:20-24, Benjamite soldiers are told to repopulate their tribe by kidnapping the women of Shiloh.)

This is all very consistent and the theology that undergirds this is spelled out in chilling clarity, directly from Jesus himself: "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." (This quote is actually attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, Matthew 10:34.)


Finally, if there's any doubt about the fanatical nature of the faith, it should be dispelled with this chilling passage: "Happy shall they be who take your little ones [babies] and dash them against the rock." (This quote is actually from the Psalms, 137:9, when the exiled Israelites dream of revenge against Babylon.)
It is easy for you to turn a blind eye to this with your statement denying terrorist acts are supported by your bible.

Ayinba1,
same old rehashed verses we get from you muslims. All those excerpts are in the Bible.The conquests of Joshua were political and religious (when God's laws were violated).The surrounding pagans were ordered to be killed because they would have influenced the children of Israel to follow their gods (ditto with Elijah killing the false prophets of Ba'al).

The man who offered his daughter to be raped (Judges19 :24) did that of his own accord,not from God.If u had read that chapter at all,u would have noticed that at that period,it was recorded that people did whatever they liked ! God did not say the man should do so.At thd of that chapter,we are being told that it was something that had never being done in Israel.
Ps 137:9 talks on the captivity of Israel by Babylon and the planned revenge of the Isrealites.Yeah,so what? All that was limited to time ie when they were captive and anticipated their release (they were captive thru their disobedience to God FYI).

I dont want to go thru all the examples u copied out. Can u bring out verses which expressly say that I should fight Midianites,Babylonites,children of Jericho etc because they dont serve God ? Did u ever note that God had always wanted peace for His people and before the occupation of the land,the pagans had to be done away with?
The saying of Jesus bringing war and not peace is not the kind of war where u wield 2-edged swords or scimitars. He was saying that His teaching will not be accepted by everyone in a household (which is very true in 9ja and other countries) and this will bring division.Not every1 agrees that Jesus is d way to God like u and I now though we are both Nigerians and that's why we are doing jaw-jaw on this forum .
The bible has never said that I should not take unbelievers as friends,or kill or smite their necks. I will get back to u l8er.

Ayinba1,
I forgot to mention that in all the biblical verses that talked on different forms of violence either from God or from the children of Israel themselves (however,note that they are very different from the wars that Allah says muslims should wage) ,one common thing to all of them is that what was recorded was what they DID . In the case of the Qu'ranic verses,the violence is what the muslims should [b][/b]DO.

Hey you guys ayinba and malama should chill out
Kindly answer the question and stop the war
@poster i do not know much about Islam but i can tell you categorically that hatred kills you silently while love heals you wholly.
Man was not made to hate cos he was made by God that only loves.
Although you cannot wave the pain and agony caused the families of the victims but interestingly love is greater than any of these. I believe love can do more repairs than the damage hatred is presently doing all around the world.
So rather choose to love even though it might be very difficult rather than hate.
May God comfort those that are families of victims of terrorist attacks.

@Oloriooko: Only the Christians can answer the question of the poster. Muslims do not really have to do that. There is no real need for the muslims to read the Bible, since Qur'an is after it and it contains all the truth that you have and have been eliminated from the Bible, anyways.

@ Davidylan
Your posts are too long and meaningless most of the time, try to keep them brief and please reduce the hate in you, you've got far too much hate, doubt if christianity works that way.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, Not all priests are gay, Not all Americans are war mongers, Not all American solders kill innocent Iraqi's, Not all Nigerian pastors exploit innocent church goers for their money. See the irony of life, just spread the word peace if you can and you all stop the sweeping generalization, this can be done by simply thinking before hitting the damn keyboad. , hisssssesss ,
@ Poster
Nope it is not biblical to hate anybody, not just muslims but anybody. If you gotta hate these muslims terrorists blowing up the western world, then you gotta hate America for the killing of innocent people in Iraq or invading that country without any justified reason.

It is wrong to hate anyone, however, we cld and are allowed hate their actions

I have trully enjoyed all the various answers but am jolted at the manner some guys took on each other rather than give a constructive answers to the question. However, I think you lose more if you decide to hate though it can be very tough to look eyeball to eyeball with the guy that blew up your home and tell him you still love him, it only takes God's grace to do that.
But i plead with guys involved with this so called suicidal missions to stop the madness and embrace love for all humanity irrespective of background, tribe, colour or nation. God places very high value on the human life why should we waste it?

@bobokanis
nice words there, you know i dont understand most people on this site. their posts and answers are always ambigous. The truth is who are we to judge these people. Iraq is being bombed for claims of biological weapons hence we didnt see any weapons and Osama has not stepped foot in Iraq (the war in afghanistan can be justified at least, we can say that is where osama resides). But then both the terrory , lol and the terrorists are all terrorists.
For me , i will always preach do what is right, peace , love and unity would get us through,

Not only moslems kill in the name of religion - Christians have and are still killing in the name of their religion. Think about the doctors killed in America in the name of the Christian religion.

I agree especially the "evangelicals" those hypocrites, bombing abortion clinics and all.

hahahahaha wont you just love it if islamic terrorists simply focused on abortionists? At least the rest of us wont have to worry about Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Kano, Borno, Sokoto, cartoons, teddy bears, aircraft hijackings . . .

To equate criminal anti-abortionists (who absolutely have ZERO support within the christian community and is ABSOLUTELY condemned by theh scriptures) to islamic terrorists is to expose yourself as a complete fool desperately clinging to straws to save a drowning argument.

I can't believe you said this. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. This is not what Jesus would have said PASTOR!!

Would you love it if islamic terrorist focussed on abortion doctors? I most certainly would NOT love it. I don't believe you said this. A testament of you twisted mind and the damage religion has done to your thinking.

Certainly by now you would know not to get religious information from David, especially about Christianity.

what totally stupid responses.

~Lady~:

I agree especially the "evangelicals" those hypocrites, bombing abortion clinics and all.

Which "evangelicals"? how many churches are sponsoring those bombing abortion clinics? Did any such "evangelical" tell you he was following the bible or the dictates of his pastor? How easily have you forgotten the reign of terror that the catholic church unleashed on those very same "evangelicals" during the dark ages?

~Lady~:

I can't believe you said this. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. This is not what Jesus would have said PASTOR!!

He probably wouldnt have flogged the temple merchants or called the pharisees hypocrites would he?

~Lady~:

Certainly by now you would know not to get religious information from David, especially about Christianity.

Surely anyone seeking "religious" information shld know by now to get them from you. Thankfully Christ didnt come to teach us "religious" information, He came that we might have life and have it more abundantly. Continue peddling lifeless "religious" info.