simple answer some people no fit answer _{na to dey degenerate into unnecessary religious controversies}

mazaje:

You see the problem with religion? instead of answering the questions which the poster asked which i believe he has no answers to he is engaging his fellow religion apoligist in a war of my god/holy book i better than your god/holy book. utter nonsense. like some one just said and i quote

thank u jare!

sarmy:

Trying to know God by the (letters) of the religion books will not only confuse you but may try to disconnect you from Him

You can only find God through your inner-self, reason why many think there is no God is because they are looking for God via letters of the holy books

If you sincerely want to know God, seek inner revelation of Him, you will find Him because His seed is inside of you. (even those that think He does not exist could find Him if they can diligently seek Him)

Ye are gods, man created god in his own image to help him answer the difficult and pesky questions about life and all the challenges and vagaries that comes with it, its purpose and what happens when a man dies.

mazaje:
Why give me a brain if I am not supposed to apply it to question things that don't add up? I personall don't think this is a sin.

Neither does the bible consider it a sin. The bible is replete with men who actively questioned their beliefs. . . John the Baptist spent years in the wilderness preaching the coming of Christ, He was the one who baptised Jesus, he even saw the dove upon the head of Christ and heard God openly declare Jesus the Messiah . . . and YET barely a few months after the same John the Baptist said this - Matthew 11:2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

Jesus did not reprimand him for asking a relevant question that seemed to come from a man who no longer believed the visions he had seen and heard . . . rather Christ said - 4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

Peter, on pain of death, denied Christ THREE (3) times, the other apostles who had walked with Christ for uptowards of 3 yrs were no where to be found when He went to the cross . . . YET these same men had the priviledge of seeing Christ, eating with Him and being the first beneficiaries of His anointing after the resurrection.

All these i put here to show that questioning your faith is not new, infact the bible actively encourages it . . . Isaiah 42:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.

Read the book of Job, it is filled with the complaints of a man who felt he did not deserve to suffer for his righteousness . . . did God strike Him dead? No, rather he recieved DOUBLE portion of all that he had lost.

It is 100% RIGHT to question the bible, what is wrong is to close your mind to it.

sarmy:

Trying to know God by the (letters) of the religion books will not only confuse you but may try to disconnect you from Him

You can only find God through your inner-self, reason why many think there is no God is because they are looking for God via letters of the holy books

If you sincerely want to know God, seek inner revelation of Him, you will find Him because His seed is inside of you. (even those that think He does not exist could find Him if they can diligently seek Him)

Where are you going with this. We are talking about proof and here you go with these sentimental-inner-revalation-personal-relation line again.

According to the bible I quote  "John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." So where do you get off with that inner revelation plot.
If you dont go through Jesus, you are on your way to hell period. Which means that little boy who died in Basra a muslim, is on his way to hell, that poor little girl that starved to death in sudan a muslim is falling through the bottomless pit as we chat that Indain girl who deligently prayed to buddah all her life is stewing in the lake that burns with fire and brim stone, that little kid who died at birth is roasting in hades cos he did not repent before he died _{(Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.)} or do you say the bible is wrong??

Nobody can justify their religion because they are all blind followers. All they have are beliefs, faiths, feelings, signs and wonders & miracles. Prove me wrong if you can.

mazaje:

You see the problem with religion? instead of answering the questions which the poster asked which i believe he has no answers to he is engaging his fellow religion apologist in a war of my god/holy book i better than your god/holy book. utter nonsense. like some one just said and i quote

This is the problem with those who read without comprehending . . . my post had nothing to do with "my God is better than your God", rather it was to expose the hypocrisy of a muslim who yells "leave your friend alone" when his own religion advocates DEATH for the muslim apostate.

Okija_juju:

Where are you going with this. We are talking about proof and here you go with these sentimental-inner-revalation-personal-relation line again.

I will respond to Sarmy's post after this.

Okija_juju:

According to the bible I quote "John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." So where do you get off with that inner revelation plot.
If you don't go through Jesus, you are on your way to hell period. Which means that little boy who died in Basra a muslim, is on his way to hell, that poor little girl that starved to death in sudan a muslim is falling through the bottomless pit as we chat that Indain girl who deligently prayed to buddah all her life is stewing in the lake that burns with fire and brim stone, that little kid who died at birth is roasting in hades because he did not repent before he died _{(Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.)} or do you say the bible is wrong??

What is wrong is your own lack of understanding . . . there is what is generally understood as the "age of accountability" in the bible. Careful study of the journey of the Jews through the wilderness fairly puts that age at about 20 yrs.

The bible had this to say about little children - Matthew 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. 15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

We are not told that those little children even understood what it was to be born again. Most likely they had no clue.

It's like you are just making deductions from the bible based on what you think it should be. But I quoted a passage written in balck and white. So where do you get this age or wateva you stated.
So what happens to psalm 51: 5? Are you saying that anybody who dies before the age of 20 automaticaly goes to heaven?? Cos we got guerilla fighters in Iraq aged 18 and below who have died so are they going to heaven?? Isnt that contradicting itself.

sarmy:

Trying to know God by the (letters) of the religion books will not only confuse you but may try to disconnect you from Him

You can only find God through your inner-self, reason why many think there is no God is because they are looking for God via letters of the holy books

If you sincerely want to know God, seek inner revelation of Him, you will find Him because His seed is inside of you. (even those that think He does not exist could find Him if they can diligently seek Him)

where in your bible did you read this? Its hard to convince the unbeliever when even those who profess the gospel dont understand it.

Paul the chiefest of apostles questioned his beliefs and even killed christians in Jerusalem and Antioch.'
Peter, the chief disciple, would not even eat with gentiles until Paul had to openly rebuke him.
Jonah bluntly refused to go to Nineveh . . . God did not kill Him for disobedience . . .

Knowing God is by reading His word line by line, asking questions whenever you run into a bottle neck but with a sincere desire to learn rather than with the mindset to disprove which sadly many of our resident athiests have.

From the old testament to the new, it is replete with men who dilligently read the books of the law and the prophets, studying to shew themselves approved unto God, not just sitting in a corner pretending to be in deep introspection . . . that is the tool of the psychologist.

Matthew 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. 15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence

Was jesus talking about the childeren of the indians, chinese or the jews? there is no where in the bible where it is written that children of other faith will go to heaven if there is then show us and prove us wrong. what about the adults ? what difference does it make it is written in the bible that god knows every body before they were born and he knew that people of other faiths will end up living and believing in their faiths which they have no control over because they never created them selves(according to the bible god created every body) and he decided to send them to hell after they die because they do not believe that jesus is the son of god and for that they will all rot in hell, by the way where and what is hell?

Okija_juju:

It's like you are just making deductions from the bible based on what you think it should be. But I quoted a passage written in balck and white. So where do you get this age or whatever you stated.
So what happens to psalm 51: 5? Are you saying that anybody who dies before the age of 20 automaticaly goes to heaven?? Cos we got guerilla fighters in Iraq aged 18 and below who have died so are they going to heaven?? Isnt that contradicting itself.

the problem is you already have a preconcieved idea that God is bad . . . and that is what you will read in every single bible verse irrespective of how much it is explained to you.

Read the journey of the jews through the wilderness . . . EACH TIME the jews sinned and God chose to destroy them . . . the bible was very careful to note that everyone BELOW the age of 20 was spared. Why? Is it because the 19yr old boy did not partake of the sin with his fathers?

Psalm 51:5 simply gives the reason why EVERYONE has no excuse not to be saved . . . we are all sinners so long as we are born in the flesh . . . but until you reach the age of accountability God will not pass judgement on you just exactly as he did not pass judgement on the Israelites below 20 yrs of age in the wilderness.

Now you're again jumping the gun in your haste to disprove the bible . . . the age of accountability in the bible (5000 yrs ago) was 20yrs . . . it is most likely different today . . . but one thing is important . . . the age a child is old enough to understand what is right from what is wrong, the age a child is old enough to understand the gospel . . . that child no longer has any excuse. I dont believe children below 13 yrs have the ability to understand the bible (and that is MY personal opinion).

mazaje:

Was jesus talking about the childeren of the indians, chinese or the jews? there is no where in the bible where it is written that children of other faith will go to heaven if there is then show us and prove us wrong. what about the adults ? what difference does it make it is written in the bible that god knows every body before they were bron and he knew that people of other faiths will end up living and believing in their faith which they have no control over because they never created them selves(according to the bible god created every body) and he decided to send them to hell when they die because they do not believe that jesus is the son of god and for that they will all rot in hell, by the way where and what is hell?

Classic question from the average "disprover". Christ was a jew, lived as a jew and is not recorded to have travelled to visit the chinese. Matthew 19:13 did not say "suffer the little JEWISH children . . ."

As regards the question "where and what is hell" . . . that is open to your interpretation. You have a choice to believe or not. It really isnt by force.

Okija_juju:


Where are you going with this. We are talking about proof and here you go with these sentimental-inner-revalation-personal-relation line again.


Nobody can justify their religion because they are all blind followers. All they have are beliefs, faiths, feelings, signs and wonders & miracles. Prove me wrong if you can.

To be candid, God can only be discovered though inner-self, I can only show you the method but you can only find Him by yourself, His seed is already in you. (ALL men)

I am not a religious person as it has both pros and cons.

If you must know God you have to detach youself from religion and seek Him starting from your real person inside. (That is the message of Christ)

Okija_juju:

It's like you are just making deductions from the bible based on what you think it should be. But I quoted a passage written in balck and white. So where do you get this age or whatever you stated.
So what happens to psalm 51: 5? Are you saying that anybody who dies before the age of 20 automaticaly goes to heaven?? Cos we got guerilla fighters in Iraq aged 18 and below who have died so are they going to heaven?? Isnt that contradicting itself.

20 years? is that what you feel or is that what the bible says? Show us where the age 20 is written in the bible 20 years? are you kidding me?

  where in your bible did you read this? Its hard to convince the unbeliever when even those who profess the gospel don't understand it.

Paul the chiefest of apostles questioned his beliefs and even killed christians in Jerusalem and Antioch.'
Peter, the chief disciple, would not even eat with gentiles until Paul had to openly rebuke him.
Jonah bluntly refused to go to Nineveh . . . God did not kill Him for disobedience . . .

Knowing God is by reading His word line by line, asking questions whenever you run into a bottle neck but with a sincere desire to learn rather than with the mindset to disprove which sadly many of our resident athiests have.

From the old testament to the new, it is replete with men who dilligently read the books of the law and the prophets, studying to shew themselves approved unto God, not just sitting in a corner pretending to be in deep introspection . . . that is the tool of the psychologist.  

What makes you feel you are right and he is wrong? what makes you feel you know the bible better than him? no wonder you spend all day and night fighting with the catholics and the prosperity gospel advocates on nairaland day in day out.  By the way was jesus's named changed  from esua or what ever it was to jesus? there is no jesus in armaic so why was his named changed? why was'nt the name of mohammed or any of the founders of the major religions changed? when esau was alive his name was'nt jesus was it?

davidylan:

the problem is you already have a preconcieved idea that God is bad . . . and that is what you will read in every single bible verse irrespective of how much it is explained to you.

Read the journey of the jews through the wilderness . . . EACH TIME the jews sinned and God chose to destroy them . . . the bible was very careful to note that everyone BELOW the age of 20 was spared. Why? Is it because the 19yr old boy did not partake of the sin with his fathers?

Psalm 51:5 simply gives the reason why EVERYONE has no excuse not to be saved . . . we are all sinners so long as we are born in the flesh . . . but until you reach the age of accountability God will not pass judgement on you just exactly as he did not pass judgement on the Israelites below 20 years of age in the wilderness.

Now you're again jumping the gun in your haste to disprove the bible . . . the age of accountability in the bible (5000 years ago) was 20yrs . . . it is most likely different today . . . but one thing is important . . . the age a child is old enough to understand what is right from what is wrong, the age a child is old enough to understand the gospel . . . that child no longer has any excuse. I don't believe children below 13 years have the ability to understand the bible (and that is MY personal opinion). 

You never fail to amaze me but the same god ordered people in the bible to kill, women , children and infants of non jews abi? why didnt he tell the jews to spare those under the age of 20, when they were carrying out their slaughterings?

mazaje:

20 years? is that what you feel or is that what the bible says? Show us where the age 20 is written in the bible 20 years? are you kidding me?

I said in a related thread . . . pick up a bible and read next time. Dont expose your laziness . . .

Num 14:29: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

Deu 1:39: Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Clearly God did not hold the children 20 and below responsible for the iniquity of the land of Israel.

mazaje:

What makes you feel you are right and he is wrong? what makes you feel you know the bible better than him? no wonder you spend all day and night fighting with the catholics and the prosperity gospel advocates on nairaland day in day out.  By the way was was jesus named changed  from esua or what ever it was to jesus? there is no jesus in armaic so why was his named changed? why was'nt the name of mohammed or any of the founders of the major religions changed? when esau was alive his name was'nt jesus was it?

It is not a "feeling" but the truth of the bible. If he "feels" he is right he can pls point out in the bible where understanding God was left to mere introspection alone. The bible clearly says "this book of the law shall not depart out of thine mouth but you shall MEDITATE in it DAY and NIGHT" . . . again it says "STUDY to shew thyself approved unto GOD . . ."

there is no substitute for good bible study.

As regards your hubris about name changes . . . every man to his own belief.

Any reasonable man knows that the bible is just tales and jewish stories collected for centuries in a written for the intellectually disabled people.i wonder how the tower of babel can possibly be true etc.Even if there was a true religion it cannot be christianity.It permits racial hatred which is manifested in the enslavement and massacre of indiginous population of conquered land.I WONDER WHY AFRICANS ARE STILL CHRISTIANS AFTER ALL WHAT THE RELIGION HAV DONE TO THEM.I THINK CHRISTIANITY HISTORICALY IS THE MOST BLOODY RELIGION THAT EVER EXISTED ALTHOUGH PEOPLE MAY SAY ISLAM BUT AS A HISTORIAN I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL THAT ISLAM,HINDU ETC WAS BLOODY IN THEIR OWN WAY BUT NOT COMPARED TO THE IGNORANCE AND CRUELTY OF CHRISTIANS ESPECIALLY CATHOLICS.IT IS JUST THAT THE CHURCH HAVE LOST ITS FORMER POWER AND HID UNDER THE GUISE OF FORGIVENESS IN OTHER TO SURVIVE THIS ADVANCED AGE.HATE ME IF YOU LIKE BUT IT IS ALL FACTS.

mazaje:

Yo never fail to amaze me but the same god ordered people in the bible to kill, women , children and infants of non jews abi? why didnt he tell the jews to spare those under the age of 20, when they were carrying out their slaughterings?

In your lazy haste to disprove the bible you choose to lump two clearly different issues together. children below 20 were not held accountable for their spiritual status i.e whether they are sinners meant for hell or righteous candidates of heaven.

Now that is CLEARLY not the same as a regional war between two nations . . . the allied nations during WWII surely did not spare children below 5 yrs of age no?

davidylan:

where in your bible did you read this? Its hard to convince the unbeliever when even those who profess the gospel don't understand it.

Knowing God is by reading His word line by line, asking questions whenever you run into a bottle neck but with a sincere desire to learn rather than with the mindset to disprove which sadly many of our resident athiests have.

From the old testament to the new, it is replete with men who dilligently read the books of the law and the prophets, studying to shew themselves approved unto God, not just sitting in a corner pretending to be in deep introspection . . . that is the tool of the psychologist.

You can know God when you open the door of your heart to Him Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if ANY man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me

God has been relating with people even before the written word/bible, Abraham did not have access to Bible yet he had relationship with God, Enouch, Abel, Joseph etc.

Bible enhances our access to God but not the letters, the spirit behind the letters is what we should preach, that is the Gospel.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,

 

The above quotation is directly from the mouth of god and he never gave any age restriction besides i have never heard of any age restriction only from you. why has it got to be about the jews in the wilderness and the age 20 is that what your mind tells you or what your god says? show me where it is written in the bible period, you go around calling people like pastor chris chalartans etc just for you to turn around and do the same thing they are doing(using your personal understanding and interpretation to imply its from god)

Now that is CLEARLY not the same as a regional war between two nations . . . the allied nations during WWII surely did not spare children below 5 years of age no?  

This just goes to the whole point i have been saying all along that men created god in their own image, why compare god to men? why should god do things men do? i thought he was the almighty, all knowing and all supreme,why not compare your biblical god to buddah, sango, survinska etc why comepare his behaviours to that of men?

He has started doubting God,
be careful with him or her as a rob off might occur.

mazaje:

The above quotation is directly from the mouth of god and he never gave any age restriction besides i have never heard of any age restriction only from you. why has it got to be about the jews in the wilderness and the age 20 is that what your mind tells you or what your god says? show me where it is written in the bible period, you go around calling people like pastor chris chalartans etc just for you to turn around and do the same thing they are doing(using your personal understanding and interpretation to imply its from god)

This is just a measure of your inconsistency and hypocrisy . . . first you didnt believe the age of accountability existed in the bible, i showed you . . . now u've suddenly shifted gears to "why has it got to be about the jews in the wilderness"?

The quotation you posted is directly from the mouth of God - true.
He did not give any age restrictions there - true.

BUT when it came time to execute judgement on those who broke those commandments you posted . . . HE certainly gave age restrictions for which i have already shown you. The constitution of the land sometimes does not give age restrictions but is a child who breaks the law prosecuted in the same court as his father?

As regards the age of 20yrs . . . if you hypocrite bothered to even read the posts i made last you would have seen it there in red letters.

mazaje:

This just goes to the whole point i have been saying all along that men created god in their own image, why compare god to men? why should god do things men do? i thought he was the almighty, all knowing and all supreme,why not compare your biblical god to buddah, sango, survinska etc why comepare his behaviours to that of men?

It is not comparing God to men, rather it is making a comparison to show you that your argument is basically flawed. When you people hit a brickwall with your own words you start blabbing about "why compare God to man".

If you think God does not exist why then do you hold him to a higher moral standard than you?

If you think God does not exist why then do you hold him to a higher moral standard than you?

Where did i say i hold god in a higher standard than me? are you kidding me? you said he is god and you were the one comparing him to humans that was why i made my statement.
Why should you compare your all powerful and all knowing god to humans(world war2 allied nations) who you believe he is better than?

This is just a measure of your inconsistency and hypocrisy . . . first you didnt believe the age of accountability existed in the bible, i showed you . . . now u've suddenly shifted gears to "why has it got to be about the jews in the wilderness"?

The quotation you posted is directly from the mouth of God - true.
He did not give any age restrictions there - true.

BUT when it came time to execute judgement on those who broke those commandments you posted . . . HE certainly gave age restrictions for which i have already shown you. The constitution of the land sometimes does not give age restrictions but is a child who breaks the law prosecuted in the same court as his father?

As regards the age of 20yrs . . . if you hypocrite bothered to even read the posts i made last you would have seen it there in red letters.

so now we are arguing about age? i dont give a Bleep about any age cos i dont believe in the entire fable, you are the one that is making excuses here. i asked why a good, merciful and loving god will kill all the billions of non christains that are living when they die and you came up with the little children argument what difference does it make if they are kids or adults? at what age do most people get indoctrinated? is it not when they were kids? so what difference does it make any way. will a merciful, all knowing and just god put people in hell for eternity for something they have no control over(their faith). does that sound sensible to you?

besides who are the christains? is it the jehova witness, catholics, seven day adventist, deeper life, white garments wearing christains etc( over 30,000 of them). all knocking heads with each other and each postulating to have the ultimate knowledge and answer.who are the christains?

@ poster your friend is on the same line with Wole Soyinka ooo.I heard him said he doesn't believe in God in an interview on (TV3) I think,so your friend is not alone!.

mazaje:

Where did i say i hold god in a higher standard than me? are you kidding me? you said he is god and you were the one comparing him to humans that was why i made my statement.
Why should you compare your all powerful and all knowing god to humans(world war2 allied nations) who you believe he is better than?

You seem to want to desperately hold God to a higher moral standard even though you deny it. Again i did not compare Him to you . . . i suppose i am speaking to people who can process complex information and not just robots. It is one thing to make a comparison, it is another to draw parallels to prove the fallibility of your argument.

If you say God shld have commanded the jews to spare children during regional wars (that have NOTHING to do with christianity anyway) then i ask you, would it have been smart for the Americans to avoid children when Nagasaki was bombed?

mazaje:

so now we are arguing about age? i don't give a Bleep about any age because i don't believe in the entire fable, you are the one that is making excuses here.

I gave an age - you gleefully demanded for it (thinking, as you all are wont, that it didnt exist in the bible).

Now i have provided proof that the age actually did exist - suddenly you dont give a Bleep about it?   Speaking from both sides of the mouth can sometimes be counter productive.

mazaje:

i asked why a good, merciful and loving god will kill all the billions of non christains that are living when they die and you came up with the little children argument what difference does it make if they are kids or adults?

When did God kill all these people and why?

mazaje:

at what age do most people get indoctrinated? is it not when they were kids? so what difference does it make any way.

Age of indoctrination has no relevance to age of accountability. A 5 yr old kid can get indoctrinated in something he cannot comprehend.

mazaje:

will a merciful, all knowing and just god put people in hell for eternity for something they have no control over(their faith). does that sound sensible to you?

It doesnt make sense to me because God does no such thing. YOU for instance cannot claim to have no control over your faith, you've heard the gospel, its up to you to reject it.

mazaje:

besides who are the christains? is it the jehova witness, catholics, seven day adventist, deeper life, white garments wearing christains etc( over 30,000 of them). all knocking heads with each other and each postulating to have the ultimate knowledge and answer.who are the christains?

The christians are those whom Christ described thus - Luke 8: 21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

chucksd:

Any reasonable man knows that the bible is just tales and jewish stories collected for centuries in a written for the intellectually disabled people.i wonder how the tower of babel can possibly be true etc.Even if there was a true religion it cannot be christianity.It permits racial hatred which is manifested in the enslavement and massacre of indiginous population of conquered land.I WONDER WHY AFRICANS ARE STILL CHRISTIANS AFTER ALL WHAT THE RELIGION HAV DONE TO THEM.I THINK CHRISTIANITY HISTORICALY IS THE MOST BLOODY RELIGION THAT EVER EXISTED ALTHOUGH PEOPLE MAY SAY ISLAM BUT AS A HISTORIAN I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL THAT ISLAM,HINDU ETC WAS BLOODY IN THEIR OWN WAY BUT NOT COMPARED TO THE IGNORANCE AND CRUELTY OF CHRISTIANS ESPECIALLY CATHOLICS.IT IS JUST THAT THE CHURCH HAVE LOST ITS FORMER POWER AND HID UNDER THE GUISE OF FORGIVENESS IN OTHER TO SURVIVE THIS ADVANCED AGE.HATE ME IF YOU LIKE BUT IT IS ALL FACTS.

Very true, i wonder why china, indai(the most populated nations on earth) and the americas were not mentioned in that fairy tale book and why there were no prophet amongst them even though their existance predated christ and some of the so called prophets in the bible. i have read the quran and its is just the same as the bible nothing more nothing less. i wonder if people like david, moses etc were alive today, will they be called prophets or war criminals? what about a person like king solomon with over 700 concubines and uncountable wives will he be a role model for people in the mordern world? why are people following murderers, thieves and land snatchers? religion is a farce.

Its gets better with Christianity.

God created humans, basically the whole world, But chose only sreal to be his people. So what does that make me??

 You seem to want to desperately hold God to a higher moral standard even though you deny it. Again i did not compare Him to you . . . i suppose i am speaking to people who can process complex information and not just robots. It is one thing to make a comparison, it is another to draw parallels to prove the fallibility of your argument.

If you say God shld have commanded the jews to spare children during regional wars (that have NOTHING to do with christianity anyway) then i ask you, would it have been smart for the Americans to avoid children when Nagasaki was bombed?
 

you see the problem with you, you are talking about god who you say is almighty all knowing and all good yet you keep  equating him to humans who your bible says are full of flaws and whose rigthouseness are like filty rags in the eyes of your god. americans are not your god hence i do not see them as having the qualities that you ascribe to your god which are all good, all knowing and all kind etc. i would definately like americans to do what you asked but i have no power to do so, even the americans know they were wrong thats why we have treaties like the geneva convention and nuclear disarmament etc. so it is ok for your god to spare the kids of the jews and excuse them because they have not yet attained the age of accountability but not the children of non jews.

I gave an age - you gleefully demanded for it (thinking, as you all are wont, that it didnt exist in the bible).

Please show me where i asked you for age in my post. i only asked you if it is sensible for the christain god to throw all the people that do not believe in him in hell and you came up with the age bruhaha.

Now i have provided proof that the age actually did exist - suddenly you don't give a Bleep about it?   Speaking from both sides of the mouth can sometimes be counter productive  

Na you age the worry ohh. i said  i don't believe in the entire fable.      davidylan kenan.

When did God kill all these people and why?  

i meant to ask why a good, merciful and loving god will destroy all the of non christains in hell for eternity just because of their non beliefs since it is something they had no control over, you can't tell me that a moslem, hindu etc will go to heaven because according to the bible they will all perish in hell for eternity because jesus is the only way to god. most moslems did not choose islam, same with hindus etc, they were born into it and their whole lives revoles around it, so i say it doesnt make any sense to me that a just, loving and merciful god will punish people because of their unbelief. when he did'nt ask for their approval and did'nt give them any option before creating them into a religion that their whole lives will revolve around.

It doesnt make sense to me because God does no such thing. YOU for instance cannot claim to have no control over your faith, you've heard the gospel, its up to you to reject it  

what about moslems that know little or nothing about christainity? what about buddist, hindus, pallanguns etc? they have rejected christianity and why should they rot in hell for their unbeliefs?

  The christians are those whom Christ described thus - Luke 8: 21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

which of the words of god? stoning of people to death if the commit adultry,  is that not also the word of god? or turning the other cheek? helping the poor,destroying babies and infants in terms of war as commanded by god, enslaving others as ordered in the old testament or preaching the message of jesus? all of them are the words of god which one should people do and which one should people refrian from?

mazaje:

you see the problem with you, you are talking about god who you say is almighty all knowing and all good yet you keep equating him to humans who your bible says are full of flaws and whose rigthouseness are like filty rags in the eyes of your god. americans are not your god hence i do not see them as having the qualities that you ascribe to your god which are all good, all knowing and all kind etc. i would definately like americans to do what you asked but i have no power to do so, even the americans know they were wrong thats why we have treaties like the geneva convention and nuclear disarmament etc. so it is ok for your god to spare the kids of the jews and excuse them because they have not yet attained the age of accountability but not the children of non jews.

Simple - all is fair in war. When the Babylonians enslaved the Jews, they killed women and children too. When the midianites, phillistines, ammonites, invaded Israel, they took women and children as slaves.

Simple answer - the bible also contains the national politics of the jewish nation as at that time which have no relevance to christianity today. The church isnt particularly asking to slaughter your children now are we?

mazaje:

Please show me where i asked you for age in my post. i only asked you if it is sensible for the christain god to throw all the people that do not believe in him in hell and you came up with the age bruhaha.

what a dishonest individual you are. Here we go:

mazaje:

20 years? is that what you feel or is that what the bible says? Show us where the age 20 is written in the bible 20 years? are you kidding me?

mazaje:

Na you age the worry ohh. i said i don't believe in the entire fable. davidylan kenan.

Again another evidence of your deciet . . . the reason i brought up the issue of age of accountability was to counter the false insinuation from you and okija that God would allow a 5yr old to die and go to hell.

mazaje:

i meant to ask why a good, merciful and loving god will destroy all the of non christains in hell for eternity just because of their non beliefs since it is something they had no control over, you can't tell me that a moslem, hindu etc will go to heaven because according to the bible they will all perish in hell for eternity because jesus is the only way to god.

Have you hypocrite ever asked the muslims why their own god shld condemn us to hell for "something we also had no control over"?

Religion is something you have no control over, salvation IS a CHOICE you have control over. You can choose to accept it or reject it. No one can have an excuse on the last day.

mazaje:

most moslems did not choose islam, same with hindus etc, they were born into it and their whole lives revoles around it, so i say it doesnt make any sense to me that a just, loving and merciful god will punish people because of their unbelief. when he did'nt ask for their approval and did'nt give them any option before creating them into a religion that their whole lives will revolve around.

Too bad bro, but a loving and merciful God chose to come down to earth and die like a thief on a cross that those same people who cry about not having a choice might have eternal life. The bible is the most widely translated and read book on the planet. No muslim can claim NEVER to have read the bible or heard about Jesus . . . there is STILL no excuse.

mazaje:

what about moslems that know little or nothing about christainity? what about buddist, hindus, pallanguns etc? they have rejected christianity and why should they rot in hell for their unbeliefs?

The same muslims who claim biblical men of God as prophets?

mazaje:

which of the words of god? stoning of people to death if the commit adultry, is that not also the word of god? or turning the other cheek? helping the poor,destroying babies and infants in terms of war as commanded by god, enslaving others as ordered in the old testament or preaching the message of jesus? all of them are the words of god which one should people do and which one should people refrian from?

Dont confuse old testament jewish laws with Christian laws. That seems to be the stock in trade of the lost.

davidylan:

Religion is something you have no control over, salvation IS a CHOICE you have control over. You can choose to accept it or reject it. No one can have an excuse on the last day.

Absolutely WRONG. We have control over religions. Many of the religions of the past are now dead precisely because we failed to preserve them and because new one have evolved to take their place. Just as Christianity/Islam did not exist 3000 years ago.

Many millions of people today have made a deliberate choice of NOT belonging to any religions, a very sensible choice I might add.

huxley:

Absolutely WRONG. We have control over religions. Many of the religions of the past are now dead precisely because we failed to preserve them and because new one have evolved to take their place. Just as Christianity/Islam did not exist 3000 years ago.

Many millions of people today have made a deliberate choice of NOT belonging to any religions, a very sensible choice I might add.

Mazaje made that point not me. However i agree with his point, the fact that a renegade camerounian can make a conscious choice not to belong to any religion from the safety of his London apartment does not mean the average kid in Islamic republics have the same choice.

There are always two sides to a coin not just huxley's head both ways.

huxley:

Absolutely WRONG.   We have control over religions.  Many of the religions of the past are now dead precisely because we failed to preserve them and because new one have evolved to take their place.  Just as Christianity/Islam did not exist 3000 years ago.

Many millions of people today have made a deliberate choice of NOT belonging to any religions, a very sensible choice I might add.

So huxley when you have kids or if you choose, will you allow them to believe in God?

The bible is the most widely translated and read book on the planet. No muslim can claim NEVER to have read the bible or heard about Jesus . . . there is STILL no  

which of the bibles? the one with the 66 books or the one with the over 70 books? by the way why are there so many types and version of the bible? which are people to believe and which are they to discard, my pastor once told me that the catholics and their bibles will all rot in hell. why is that so? and who says that the catholics and their bibles will all rot in hell? how do we know that their bible is false? in fact when did the bible become the bible? what about moslems, hindus etc that died before martin luther king and his 66 books of the bible will they all rot in hell too?  did the bible contain 66 books 50 years before martin luther king? by the way when did esua become jesus, why was his name changed to a greek name?

 Have you hypocrite ever asked the muslims why their own god shld condemn us to hell for "something we also had no control over"?

The muslims are equally as deluded as you are as far as i am concerned.