@OP:

God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence
cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why
call him God?

-Epicurus

The.Big.Urban:







Amanfrommars just deactivated. Goodbye backstabbing Judas!!!!


When conservative christians start praising an atheist, just know that atheist is full of sheit.



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The issue is not about praising an atheist. its about commending someone based on a balanced presentation he made. You think we come here with the mindset to fight atheists? Sure i know you come here with such stu.pid mindset to fight christians. Some of us come here to share knowledge and when we see false presentations we kick against it.( whether its from a christian or atheist or anybody). At least you ve seen me here kick against fellow christians severally so i dont understand what you mean. Even the thing you wrote up here cannot be trusted because you are a liar.

I may respond to the other things you wrote if i find enough time to do so. For now i can only be able to give short replies.

Lord_Reed:

It is you whose bias is hindering you. I already made the point that we all in the same boat but you come up and call me false meanwhile you are one twisting your words this way and that. First there is no benefit to going for the bigger then because you think you'll loose the argument you come back and say there are clear benefits. Your statements are there for all to see so I don't need to portray you as anything.

Let me be clear to you I am not interested in winning an argument. What I want is we be able to understand our opposing view points so all that saying I am smoking weed shows that the bias is not on my part.

First of all, the analogy of needing god and needing a smartphone or Mercedes Benz is a false one. I see and touch Mercedes Benz cars everyday, and I am free to dream about owning the latest offerings from Stuttgart, But I cannot say the same thing about god because most people, including you, dream about meeting god only after you are dead. Lol, .... Proof that god exists only to those who are dead ,perhaps?

I would still settle for the latest offerings from Stuttgart anytime than waiting to be dead in order to meet god.

And as for you smoking bad weed, well, Reed and and weed, what's the difference?

And where is your sense of humor?

Ubenedictus:


i don't even know where you are coming from and where you are going to, you have manage to rant about nothing.

My God understands suffering not just relatively or according to his omniscience but also personally because 2000yrs ago he too human nature in the person Jesus, lived among men, grieve with them and was sad, was happy and exited, was angry...he felt the full spectrum of human emotion, he also went the spectrum of suffering, he was betrayed by his friends, denied by his disciples ridicled by his people. He went all the way, he experienced our suffering in his own person, he suffered with us.

That is what the christian message says.

Lmao so Jesus was God himself and felt pain knowing that the pain would be over in 33 short years and he would be back to his throne in the sky

What's the sacrifice and pain in setting up my own death when I can resurrect and rid myself of the pain.

If Jesus were not God - the all powerful, all knowing. He could have felt real suffering because he wouldn't have known he would be the king of the world after the event

texanomaly:

I have never understood the trinity and have never really believed the concept to be credible. I find your concept much more believable. The bolded is closer to my belief than any other I’ve encountered here.

Do you believe that there is a part of this “essence” or “make-up” in everyone and everything created by God?

Lol I would like to see a Christian say everything has the God essence

No Christian would admit that has it goes against the teachings of all churches

But truth is yes! Everything has the God essence
That is one way God is omnipresent, present in all things

Ubenedictus:
i think the divine essence is what makes God, God, and the human essence is what makes man man. If all things inherently posses the divine essence then all things will be God, gods and godesses.

And your Bible says in Genesis that men have become Gods

macof:

Lol I would like to see a Christian say everything has the God essence

No Christian would admit that has it goes against the teachings of all churches

But truth is yes! Everything has the God essence
That is one way God is omnipresent, present in all things

I have believed that for as long as I can remember. You are mistaken.

qstar:

I have experienced faith. So, stop projecting. I don't wish to derail this thread.



Faith is simply being hopeful, sometimes, expecting wonders and illogic. ---

Actually faith and hope are 2 different things but the Christian belief is based on hope rather than faith

InesQor:

Yes I believe this essence is present in all creation in various trace quantities. I also believe while the rest of us can grow in God, Jesus had it 100%. The Bible says in Col 2:9 that in him dwells the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily

Ok! First Christian I see to be intelligent enough to have realized the presence of God in all creation

But how has Jesus become God himself? As such that a trinity is built around them?

Your ideology of God in everything makes the trinity very shaky, as I too can have the God essence 100% and I join the trinity to make 4 and how do we know other people who have lived haven't achieved this God essence in 100% say Guatama Buddha or Orunmila Baba Agbonmiregun??

texanomaly:

I have believed that for as long as I can remember. You are mistaken.

Really? Well I would like to know if your church teaches that

Ubenedictus: Jesus did die.
He didn't kill him self.

I think you should say ur own penance.

qstar:

John 10:17-18 NIV

"The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again.

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.".

macof:

Really? Well I would like to know if your church teaches that

Don't all churches? If the adherents say, "I am a child of God."

texanomaly:

Until I came to NL, I considered myself a Christian. Now I have leanings elsewhere, but do not deny Christ. I guess I am still a Christian, because I try to live a Christ-like life. Most times I fail miserably, but I try.

My way of thinking about where we are going, why we are here and creation do not coincide with mainstream Christianity or even the Christian faith I grew up in. To be honest I'm not shire I have a category. Some may call that confusion. Sometimes even I do, but I know what I believe and I know where I stand. For now...I'm good with that.

It is called intellectual honesty.

The.Big.Urban:







Amanfrommars just deactivated. Goodbye backstabbing Judas!!!!


When conservative christians start praising an atheist, just know that atheist is full of sheit.

I've heard this argument before. I was accused by some halfwit of only getting on with atheists. Does your argument apply to me too?

texanomaly:

Until I came to NL, I considered myself a Christian. Now I have leanings elsewhere, but do not deny Christ. I guess I am still a Christian, because I try to live a Christ-like life. Most times I fail miserably, but I try.

My way of thinking about where we are going, why we are here and creation do not coincide with mainstream Christianity or even the Christian faith I grew up in. To be honest I'm not sure I have a category. Some may call that confusion. Sometimes even I do, but I know what I believe and I know where I stand. For now...I'm good with that.

Sounds like you just described my current worldview. Maybe a difference is that I have experimented with various worldviews before settling back to this one. As I told a friend, I hardly like telling people I am a Christian cos then they get offended at some of the things I believe, or my take on mainstream Christian beliefs. So I'm willing to give up the title and hold on to my offbeat beliefs. Thanks for your response.

Pastor AIO:

I've heard this argument before. I was accused by some halfwit of only getting on with atheists. Does your argument apply to me too?

It puzzles me how some people take religious/irreligious debates. It's not even like belligerence gets you anywhere with convincing people of your stance. Interestingly enough, not many things (whether belief or disbelief) can be proven with certainty so I wonder why people figuratively take a knife to others' throats.

macof:

Ok! First Christian I see to be intelligent enough to have realized the presence of God in all creation

But how has Jesus become God himself? As such that a trinity is built around them?

Your ideology of God in everything makes the trinity very shaky, as I too can have the God essence 100% and I join the trinity to make 4 and how do we know other people who have lived haven't achieved this God essence in 100% say Guatama Buddha or Orunmila Baba Agbonmiregun??

I don't think Jesus "became God" or that a "Trinity was built around the three of them".

Rather they are a yardstick against which others can be measured. There is a reason the Jews called God "The Most High".

When measuring things, there has to be a standard set before any other thing. That standard is God, and whether God has other manifestations to MAN is beyond my current religious paygrade (speaking for myself). Maybe someday I'll know for certain.

As at now I've come to believe in the "three" manifestations / roles that I described above. Again I'll use the enterprise analogy.

The Project Manager / MD / CEO, The Direct Supervisor / Team Lead / Head of Department, and The Human Resources Manager. The 3 of them are the partners that started the company and they have equal stakes / shares. That's the Trinity. They are the yardstick for the company. Everyone else is trying to buy into their shares, few shares here and there. Unless they choose to sell it all off, there's no way you can join their league.

Of course it's possible there are other departments within that organization (which means another Team Lead / HOD somewhere). And it's possible there are one or more shadow staff / secret partners / founding members. But as an employee in the company, this is what I currently have to work with until I'm convinced otherwise.

plaetton:

First of all, the analogy of needing god and needing a smartphone or Mercedes Benz is a false one. I see and touch Mercedes Benz cars everyday, and I am free to dream about owning the latest offerings from Stuttgart, But I cannot say the same thing about god because most people, including you, dream about meeting god only after you are dead. Lol, .... Proof that god exists only to those who are dead ,perhaps?

I would still settle for the latest offerings from Stuttgart anytime than waiting to be dead in order to meet god.

And as for you smoking bad weed, well, Reed and and weed, what's the difference?

And where is your sense of humor?

According to you God and the Benz are both deceptions so what's the difference if they both satisfy a desire? Are all your desires only for physical tangible objects?

I have a healthy sense of humour thank you very much but when you want to play upon it while you try to defend your perceived slight then one can't help but believe that you were not jesting in the first place.

alexleo:

The issue is not about praising an atheist. its about commending someone based on a balanced presentation he made. You think we come here with the mindset to fight atheists? Sure i know you come here with such stu.pid mindset to fight christians. Some of us come here to share knowledge and when we see false presentations we kick against it.( whether its from a christian or atheist or anybody). At least you ve seen me here kick against fellow christians severally so i dont understand what you mean. Even the thing you wrote up here cannot be trusted because you are a liar.

I may respond to the other things you wrote if i find enough time to do so. For now i can only be able to give short replies.

Amanfrommars didnt give a balanced reply. .Nope.

He just asked questions.


His reply seemed balanced because HE DIDNT ACTUALLY ATTACK THE IDEA OF GOD DIRECTLY. The difference is that my comment puts and end to any argument that God is either good or loving or understands human empathy. You can appreciate Amanfrommars argument because it gives you wiggle room.

Guy, I have been through this before. I know how your ilk behave.


There are many better comments but as usual, you and another divorcee christian chose to praise the benign atheist reply.

Pastor AIO:

I've heard this argument before. I was accused by some halfwit of only getting on with atheists. Does your argument apply to me too?

What does my point about conservative christians have to do with you?


Guy, please do not be ridiculous!


Did I say that Alexleo gets along with only atheists or Amanfrommars gets along with only christians?


What kind of nonsense are you saying

InesQor:
Sounds like you just described my current worldview. Maybe a difference is that I have experimented with various worldviews before settling back to this one. As I told a friend, I hardly like telling people I am a Christian cos then they get offended at some of the things I believe, or my take on mainstream Christian beliefs. So I'm willing to give up the title and hold on to my offbeat beliefs. Thanks for your response.

It's nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.


Btw...did you ever read one of your posts that someone quoted and realize that you made a grammar error or autocorrect bit you in the bit you in the behind? I corrected it in my post, but it is out there now in a quote. It is very annoying. The English teacher in me just cringes when that happens.

InesQor:

I don't think Jesus "became God" or that a "Trinity was built around the three of them".

Rather they are a yardstick against which others can be measured. There is a reason the Jews called God "The Most High".

When measuring things, there has to be a standard set before any other thing. That standard is God, and whether God has other manifestations to MAN is beyond my current religious paygrade (speaking for myself). Maybe someday I'll know for certain.

As at now I've come to believe in the "three" manifestations / roles that I described above. Again I'll use the enterprise analogy.

The Project Manager / MD / CEO, The Direct Supervisor / Team Lead / Head of Department, and The Human Resources Manager. The 3 of them are the partners that started the company and they have equal stakes / shares. That's the Trinity. They are the yardstick for the company. Everyone else is trying to buy into their shares, few shares here and there. Unless they choose to sell it all off, there's no way you can join their league.

Of course it's possible there are other departments within that organization (which means another Team Lead / HOD somewhere). And it's possible there are one or more shadow staff / secret partners / founding members. But as an employee in the company, this is what I currently have to work with until I'm convinced otherwise.

"Worlds without end"...

There are so many things I'd like to say right here, but as you said up there...people get offended, or they want to argue about it. I don't want to argue. I don't want to debate. I just want to do my thing.

InesQor:

It puzzles me how some people take religious/irreligious debates. It's not even like belligerence gets you anywhere with convincing people of your stance. Interestingly enough, not many things (whether belief or disbelief) can be proven with certainty so I wonder why people figuratively take a knife to others' throats.

You call someone belligerent and then act as if you are calmer than others in a religious debate.

The hypocrisy.

Even the comment you are replying to called me a liar when i told no lie but no...............


Abeg, it is not like your comments of old are not full of vitriol. You are someone that have attacked me over and over again.

InesQor: @Logicboy03:

Let's not derail it, why not? After all it looks like that's what you usually do on other people's threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/1469423/christianity-irrational-10-questions#18655744

InesQor:

Lol no offence bros but you go wait tire. Nairaland Atheists can't handle philosophy. They avoid it like a plague.

It is far easier to bash Christianity and make fun of God than sweat it out on a rigorous philosophy topic.

https://www.nairaland.com/1474216/atheistic-belief-also-white-master/2#18761106



Always accusing me and any other atheists that you dislike to be derailers, immature and attack-minded on religion....but yet you have the mind to claim that others take religious arguments too far

texanomaly:


It's nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.


Btw...did you ever read one of your posts that someone quoted and realize that you made a grammar error or autocorrect bit you in the bit you in the behind? I corrected it in my post, but it is out there now in a quote. It is very annoying. The English teacher in me just cringes when that happens.

LOL I just corrected your "shire" (sic). I feel you. When I'm mobile on my tablet / android phone I can't make those corrections (touchscreen typing problems) so I'd usually be a bit irritated when I discover them, but let them be.

texanomaly:

"Worlds without end"...

There are so many things I'd like to say right here, but as you said up there...people get offended, or they want to argue about it. I don't want to argue. I don't want to debate. I just want to do my thing.

Lol, makes sense!

The.Big.Urban:


You call someone belligerent and then act as if you are calmer than others in a religious debate.

The hypocrisy.

I'm far from calmer than others in a religious debate - I just try to live and let live, plus I don't have time to waste on trivial online fights - but thanks for the inferred compliment

The.Big.Urban:
Even the comment you are replying to called me a liar when i told no lie but no...............

Nah. That was a response to Pastor AIO's comment, regardless of what he was replying to. Not everything is about you, Dude.

The.Big.Urban:
Abeg, it is not like your comments of old are not full of vitriol. You are someone that have attacked me over and over again.

On one hand, we all grow up for a reason. On the other hand, you're funny to say I attacked you over and again. I know I never attacked anyone without provocation or except in self defense. But I don't have time for such things nowadays, I just try to skip provocative things.

"Full of vitriol" cracks me up though. I don't see how that is even possible.

The.Big.Urban:
https://www.nairaland.com/1469423/christianity-irrational-10-questions#18655744


https://www.nairaland.com/1474216/atheistic-belief-also-white-master/2#18761106


Always accusing me and any other atheists that you dislike to be derailers, immature and attack-minded on religion....but yet you have the mind to claim that others take religious arguments too far

Most people take religious arguments too far. As long as you're not being a dicck while at it, I guess it's okay.

InesQor:
I'm far from calmer than others in a religious debate - I just try to live and let live, plus I don't have time to waste on trivial online fights - but thanks for the inferred compliment


Nah. That was a response to Pastor AIO's comment, regardless of what he was replying to. Not everything is about you, Dude.


One one hand, we all grow up for a reason. On the other hand, you're funny to say I ever attacked you. I know I never attacked anyone without provocation or except in self defense. But I don't have time for such things nowadays, I just try to skip provocative things.


Most people take religious arguments too far. As long as you're not being a dicck while at it, I guess it's okay.

Whatever.


There is something you and many christians do. "CONCERN TROLLING" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

Rather than address the subject, you guys claim that the atheists and christians here are taking the argument too far; that both sides need to improve their rhetoric


I call out texanomaly, davidylan and inesqor on this one. Always pointing out how others (both christians and atheists) are taking out the argument too far or how others are too attack minded.


ADDRESS THE ARGUMENT PLEASE.

InesQor:
LOL I just corrected your "shire" (sic). I feel you. When I'm mobile on my tablet / android phone I can't make those corrections (touchscreen typing problems) so I'd usually be a bit irritated when I discover them, but let them be.


Lol, makes sense!

Thanks on both counts.

The.Big.Urban:



Whatever.


There is something you and many christians do. "CONCERN TROLLING" http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll

Rather than address the subject, you guys claim that the atheists and christians here are taking the argument too far; that both sides need to improve their rhetoric


I call out texanomaly, davidylan and inesqor on this one. Always pointing out how others (both christians and atheists) are taking out the argument too far or how others are too attack minded.


ADDRESS THE ARGUMENT PLEASE.

Thanks for buttressing your fallacy with a circumstancial ad hominem addressed at three of us

@texanomaly: You're welcome!

InesQor:
Thanks for buttressing your fallacy with a circumstancial ad hominem addressed at three of us

Lol

It's late here. I'll let you boys duke it out. I'll check for survivors in the morning. Good night all.

InesQor:
Thanks for buttressing your fallacy with a circumstancial ad hominem addressed at three of us

lol....you use words you do not understand.

How can I be making a fallacy by explaining a fallacy?


*shakes head*

texanomaly:

Lol

It's late here. I'll let you boys duke it out. I'll check for survivors in the morning. Good night all.

Nah, my white flag is at full mast. Lol goodnight!

It's a whole other country out here.

texanomaly:

Don't all churches? If the adherents say, "I am a child of God."

No miss, I am 100% sure No church preaches "God is in everything"
To the Christchurch, God is a very separate entity residing somewhere you call heaven