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| This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 3:10am On Jul 17, 2014 |
This thread is opened to all dos who are confused abt MFM's die prayers...kindly ask all ur questions here. AM AN M.F.M MEMBER. Dear nairalanders, i ve seen so many of ur wrong allegations against mfm and their prayers.I will devote my time to answer ur questions carefully,one after d oda.God bless you. To start with i will like to ask the following questions. 1 does God answer die prayers,prayed in the name of jesus? (yes) 2 does God judge the intent of one's prayers? (yes) 3 can God kill the enemy of his children? (yes) 4 does God answer wicked prayers? (no) so,if God answer prayers and some of those answered prayers results in the death of a witch,wizard,or a witchdoctor. Definitely dos individuals desserve such death,remember GOD ALMIGHTY is a great judge. If the laws and judges of this world allow death for certain offences...HOW MUCH MORE THE ALMIGHTY? kindly keep ur questions coming in pls. 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by destino24(m): 9:56am On Jul 17, 2014 |
very cool |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Blockus: 10:05am On Jul 17, 2014 |
[b]So basically, you guys are like Witch hunters.  #CoolSturvs Bro. But tell your members to go into a desolate bush to shout at the top of their lungs in the name of prayers. Also, isnt your first mission supposed to be bringing people to Christ and not killing people? Plus what makes you think that God answers your rather maliciously violent prayers? What happened to forgiveness and love that was the message of Christ?! And you realize that you get more stars on your heavenly crown for every soul to convert and no for every witch you kill? What of those who you offend, can they also kill you by fire?! And why fire?! Cant you just pray they die in their sleep peacefully?! Isnt this like what Mobs do that we hate? #Note: If you pray that die by fire bullshit around me, I will keep you awake till morning with Eminems Marshall Marthers LP playing at full volume from my amplified home theater audio system. Keep hunting witches, Vampires and Lykens.  #FINALLY:: Remember that he who kills by the Fire, shall also die by Fire - Jesus Christ 200DC[/b] 4 Likes |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by DrummaBoy(m): 12:14pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
^^^Well OP, let's start with the question provided above and see how it goes. While ruminating on those questions, I want to know why your headquarter church "imprisoned" staffs of sahara reporters a few years ago? Just that for now. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 5:19pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Dear blockus, calling us witch hunters is fine by me but note that we don’t go from house to house/street to street looking for witches to kill because that’s what hunters do. I wish I can explain more than what am about to give you but I pray that God will make it clearer to you. I have analysed your comment into 8 questions. Please feel free to ask more if you are not satisfied. Question 1: you want our members to go into a desolate bush to shout at the top of their lungs in the name of prayers. Certainly you need explanations as too why we pray loudly. Some prayers definitely need crying out with a loud voice as opposed to your theory of silent prayers. There is time for everything under heaven…(eccl 3v1) definitely there is a time for quiet prayers and a time for loud prayers. Remember Jesus our saviour cried with a loud voice at the tomb of Lazarus (john11v43), he also cried on the cross “eli eli lama sabachthani”, even the Isrealites had to shout with a loud voice at the pulling down exercise of the wall of Jericho (joshua6v5, 20). Kindly find out reasons why these people had to shout in these situations then you will understand the prayer of a loud cry in M.F.M. Please note that all this do not mean I support people who make loud noise in their homes to disturb their neighbours all in the name of vigils or prayers. It is not everywhere that you can pray a shouting prayer. Suitable places are Prayer Mountains, prayer camps and other places assigned solely for such religious activity or as the situation necessitates. If anybody disturbs you in your neighbourhood or house in the name of prayers, kindly feel free to talk to them, if they don’t listen report them to appropriate authorities. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 5:26pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Still on your questions blockus. Question 2: are we not supposed to bring people to Christ other than killing them? You are very right on this one bro. evangelism is a collective responsibility of every child of God. Jesus gave the mandate “go ye into the world and preach the gospel unto every nation”. What you don’t know is that we can only preach and pray for the salvation of people, we cannot win their heart and will over to God. Our will is ours to control. The bible says “behold this day I set before you this day life and death choose ye”. Now answer these questions for me: DO WITCHES, WIZARDS ETC KNOW THAT GOD EXISTS AND THAT HE DOES NOT LIKE THERE EVIL WAYS? DO EVIL PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE WAYS IS EVIL? IF THEY KNOW THAT THEIR WAYS IS EVIL WHY ARE THEY STILL EVIL? Once you can answer those questions you have given yourself an answer. THE ENEMIES WE PRAY AGAINST ARE THOSE WHO ARE LIKE SUICIDE BOMBERS…THEY WANT TO DIE WITH YOU. Only people who repent can come to God, if a witch can repent definitely God will accept them. But, sadly witches do not repent except few cases where there are confrontations from a child of God leading to their open disgrace and almost result in their death. You better pray this payer yourself vigorously: EVERY UNREPENTANT ENEMY OF MY DESTINY DIE! IN THE NAME OF JESUS. Question 3: what makes me think God answers these prayers? The simple answer is TESTIMONY 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Blockus: 6:27pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
klbakare: Dear blockus, [b]Dear Mr. Klbakare, It's funny how you alleged that some prayers require shouting. Funny enough, Jesus who is the author of the Christian faith taught his followers how to pray in the book of "........ And the first thing he said was; 'Abba Father' who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.' He never said shout or cry or go hunting witches. Even when Jesus delivered men from evil spirit in Matthew 8:28, Mark 5:1 and Luke 8:26, he didn't shout or demonstrate. He simply commanded them. Prayers is not by your power. Prayers is talking to your father in heaven. If you can't shout at your father on earth, why then do you feel shouting at you Heavenly Father is okay. Remember that the powers you want to use in exorcising demons belongs to God and not you and the demons you fight are not by your power, so why shout? With regards to Jesus crying out with a loud voice whilst raising Lazarus, remember that Jesus had raised two other people before Lazarus and he didn't shout or cry for those. Lazarus' case was unique because the unbelief of his sisters and disciples pained him much. There is a difference between crying and shouting. Matthew 6:5-75"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.… This passage alone describe the hypocrisy of the 'die by fire' prayer style. You shout at the top of your voice and use meaningless repetitious words. Jesus did not come to raise killers but disciples. He is more concerned with converting lost souls than hunting down witches.[/b] 7 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 11:03pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
You are getting it gradually...lazarus case was different right?. He was d only one dead for four good days. O.k examine d case of jesus on d cross and d isrealites at d falling of jericho. You will note dat they are all unique occurences. Ask ur sef again why do we sing to God loudly? Is he not able to hear our praises quietly? |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Blockus: 6:27am On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: You are getting it gradually...lazarus case was different right?. He was d only one dead for four good days. O.k examine d case of jesus on d cross and d isrealites at d falling of jericho. You will note dat they are all unique occurences. Ask ur sef again why do we sing to God loudly? Is he not able to hear our praises quietly? Singing.. An emotional event. Praises.. Loading.. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 9:57am On Jul 18, 2014 |
futhermore blockus, mobs kill people physically, we kill wickedness and rulers of darkness spiritually.(ephesians6v12)FOR WE WRESTLE NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD...but against...THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD,AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES. let me ask you again blockus who are the rulers of darkness in this world? Look at wickedness again in MICAH 3V2&3:WHO HATE THE GOOD AND LOVE THE EVIL,WHO PLUCK OFF THEIR SKIN FROM OFF THEIR BONES; WHO ALSO EAT THE FLESH OF MY PEOPLE, AND FLAY THEIR SKIN FROM OFF THEM; AND THEY BREAK THEIR BONES, AND CHOP THEM IN PIECES, AS FOR THE POT, AND AS FLESH WITHIN THE CALDRON. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by DrummaBoy(m): 10:14am On Jul 18, 2014 |
@Blockus So very well said. @kilabare Let me let you into a secret. There is a blessing in some of the discussions that we have here on nl. On this forum there is no pastor or bishop, everyone presents an idea, for which others can oppose or defend. Their perfect liberty. Ideas rule: right or wrong. Now, whatever else the gospel of Jesus might be, it is first an idea. Conversion itself is bringing men to understand this idea first, repent and believe. What you propose on the OP is the willingness to share the MFM idea. And you have invited us to even question it. Now, for me, I am not really going to question but to show you that the MFM is gearing more towards beings a cult than a Christan assembly. Stay tuned... 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 10:22am On Jul 18, 2014 |
@BLOCKUS: one of your questions asks that can those whom you have offended kill you with their fall down and die prayers? is it christ like for you to offend someone, and knowing fully well that you have offended that person, you refuse to apologise? Is it christ like that someone offends you and you don't tell person, yet you bear grudges for that person? Look, offences on this earth have various magnitude. A danfo bus conductor that abuses/curses your mother is different from a witch that killed your mother and father,knowing it is evil still continues to pursue your life too. So get that straight. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by DrummaBoy(m): 10:34am On Jul 18, 2014 |
@klbakare So far in your posts here, your focus has been on witches, wizards and demons. Is this the focus of the scriptures? Are these the Central truths of the bible? Jesus cast out demons; is that all he did? How many of them did he send to hell? How many of them did he kill? How many times did he call "fire"? How many times did he accuse someone of being demonized? I ask you to take a few minutes to Google the term Christian cults and see what you will find. Particularly search out info on the group the QUAKERS who started well but ended badly. There are just a few of them left now. Blockus has been trying to show you that the emphasis of the Christian gospel is in sharing the knowledge with the unsaved. Living in love in the process. Sometimes having to defend the integrity of the gospel from perversion and living in holiness before God. In the bid to kill demons, many MFM people have failed in this primary assignments. Thus we see s cult following rising up. Some two Xmas ago, Sahara reporters went to your camp on the express to cover the watch night service. For reason best known to your GO, they were refused. When they protested, ushers bundled two of them and had them locked up in a "jail" on the camp, without food or water for close to two days. They were eventually released and no reason was given for their unlawful detention. Is that Christian? Were they being exorcised of demons? Should a church camp have prisons and if they do, are church members being imprisoned too? The worst that can happen to a mortal being is for their thinking faculties be stolen from them. I should also ask if you still have the ability yo think? 3 Likes |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Nobody: 10:36am On Jul 18, 2014 |
It's all a sham and God has nothing to do with it ! |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by haibe(m): 10:50am On Jul 18, 2014 |
Blockus: This has to be the best post of the day. 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 10:51am On Jul 18, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: @Blockussince when did following biblical principles become cultism? Exactly what are those things that makes& m.f.m look like a cult. We pray to God in Jesus name and he answers(remember God answers only the right prayers, he is a JUST GOD). So since when did that become cultism? |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by haibe(m): 10:52am On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: @BLOCKUS: They are all sinners and the best you can do is to pray for their repentance, not their death. It doesn't matter if they kill, just pray they repent and turn back to God. that will be more beneficial for both of you in the end than their death |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by haibe(m): 11:05am On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: futhermore blockus, mobs kill people physically, we kill wickedness and rulers of darkness spiritually.(ephesians6v12)FOR WE WRESTLE NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD...but against...THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD,AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES. let me ask you again blockus who are the rulers of darkness in this world? Look at wickedness again in MICAH 3V2&3:WHO HATE THE GOOD AND LOVE THE EVIL,WHO PLUCK OFF THEIR SKIN FROM OFF THEIR BONES; WHO ALSO EAT THE FLESH OF MY PEOPLE, AND FLAY THEIR SKIN FROM OFF THEM; AND THEY BREAK THEIR BONES, AND CHOP THEM IN PIECES, AS FOR THE POT, AND AS FLESH WITHIN THE CALDRON. Hey, wrestling with them doesn't mean praying for their literal death but rendering them powerless by the power of God. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 11:44am On Jul 18, 2014 |
haibe:if you don't want to kill them well they want to kill you,how about that? like i said earlier GOD answers those prayers, will it not do well for you to blame God for answering those prayers? other than blaming those who pray them. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by haibe(m): 11:55am On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: if you don't want to kill them well they want to kill you,how about that? like i said earlier GOD answers those prayers, will it not do well for you to blame God for answering those prayers? other than blaming those who pray them.how sure are you God answers them |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 11:56am On Jul 18, 2014 |
for those of you who are interested in sahara reporters issues and mfm....mfm is a religious organisation, if you have not been permitted to act in the capacity of a media personnel in their programmes and you do or you break their rules obviously you can be handed over to security authorities. sahara reporters were held temporarily by security operatives. IF THEY WERE FIGHTING A JUST CAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SUED THE CHURCH.THIS IS A MEDIA OUTFIT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. Moreso, it is not only M.F.M that has a form of cell or the other, other churches have it too and people are being held in those places too for violating set rules. as a matter of fact you that building where people are been held for offences are security men's lodge. they were not built intentionally for the purpose of detaining people. WHAT WILL SAY ABOUT OTHER CHURCHES WHO BUILT CELLS AND MAKE USE OF IT. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by alexleo(m): 12:05pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: This thread is opened to all dos who are confused abt MFM's die prayers...kindly ask all ur questions here. AM AN M.F.M MEMBER. If according to you God answers your die prayer, why don't you then pray for your enemy to repent or does it mean God cannot answer that one too? If you cant pray for his salvation that means you are praying a wicked prayer. Let me tell you that it is satan that answers such wicked prayers. Jesus said we should pray for our enemies(with love) and BLESS them that persecute you. He didn't say we should pray against our enemies so any prayer against your enemy is an error before God and God cannot comply with error, it is satan that does that. 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 12:08pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: @klbakare i have focused on witches and the likes because that seems to be the pain of most critics like you. the deliverance aspect is just one of the so many aspects the gospel is been preached to people. M.F.M has been spreading the gospel with love. we have the EVANGELISM TEAM, WE CARE MINISTRY, INTERCESSORY GROUP, MISSIONARY GROUP, TAPES AND TESTIMONY, TRACTS AND PUBLICATION...to mention only but a few. infact i think three times a year there is a regular JESUS MARCH! for every member of the church. how about that? i do not need to search any QUAKERS. there are examples of people in the bible who started well and ended badly.the bible is my guide. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 12:26pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
i will like to give you people various biblical stances that supports an holy cry.(cry in the bible sometimes does not mean weep) “The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles” (Psalm 34:17). “When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me” (Psalm 56:9). God “didst see the affliction of our fathers in Egypt, and heardest their cry by the Red sea . . . and . . . didst divide the sea before them, so that they went through the midst of the sea on the dry land” (Nehemiah 9:9–11). Moses “cried unto the Lord; and the Lord showed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet” (Exodus 15:25). “Then the men of Judah gave a shout: and as the men of Judah shouted, it came to pass, that God smote Jeroboam and all Israel” (II Chronicles 13:15). “He will fulfill the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them” (Psalm 145:19). “. . . He forgetteth not the cry of the humble” (Psalm 9:12). “afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him” (Matthew 14:30–31). “And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me. . . . And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee” (Luke 18:38–42). “In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears” (Psalm 18:6). “He cried unto the Lord, and said, O Lord my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son? And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the Lord, and said, O Lord my God, I pray thee, let this child’s soul come into him again. And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived” (I Kings 17:20–22). “It came to pass, when the captains of the chariots saw Jehoshaphat, that they said, It is the king of Israel. Therefore they compassed about him to fight: but Jehoshaphat cried out, and the Lord helped him; and God moved them to depart from him” (II Chronicles 18:31). Hezekiah cried out, and God gave him victory: “Hezekiah the king, and the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz, prayed and cried to heaven. And the Lord sent an angel, which cut off all the mighty men of valor, and the leaders and captains in the camp of the king of Assyria. So he returned with shame of face to his own land” (II Chronicles 32:20–21). Around the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, saying "Eli Eli lama sabachthani?" which is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mark 15:34. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. john 11:43 |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 12:57pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
why do we issue the die command? we issue the die command because we wants situations,powers demons, principalities e.t.c to take the form of a dead thing. CHARACTERISTICS OF DEAD THINGS,. 1. they cannot talk. 2. cannot move 3. they cannot grow/develop. 5. cannot perform any action. 4 they cannot perform every activity of a living thing. considering all this characteristics, it is therefore possible for PROBLEMS, DEMONS, PRINCIPALITY, POWERS AND SITUATIONS to die. personally, the die prayer i love the most is "ACTIVITIES OF THE FLESH IN MY LIFE, DIE IN THE NAME OF JESUS" PRECAUTIONS TO TAKE WHEN COMING TO M.F.M 1. do not dress indecently, like you dress to other churches. this means a) cover your hair properly as a female. b) do not wear trousers as a female c) do not wear skirts above your knees,your skirts must always be below your knees. d) do not wear sleeveless blouses e) no show me your/cross back/blouses that do not cover your chests properly f) do not sag your trousers for males, nor wear earrings, nor have a funny haircut style. IF YOU DRESS INDECENTLY YOU WILL BE ASKED TO DRESS PROPERLY AT THE CHURCH GATE ELSE YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR HOUSE. women without scarf will be given one at the church gate, and if your skirts are not good enough or you wear a trouser you will be given a wrapper to tie. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 12:59pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
haibe: how sure are you God answers them 100 percent sure. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by klbakare(m): 1:08pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
alexleo:do you mean Satan now answers prayers prayed in the name of Jesus?  why don't you leave God who answers this prayers to judge that. there is a time to show mercy and there is a time for judgement. those who God have answered their cries of judgement;he has also given those enemies sufficient time to repent but THEY CHOSE DEATH! REMEMBER THE STORY OF MORDECAI,HAMAN AND ESTHER...GO AND READ YOUR BIBLE! |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by alexleo(m): 1:22pm On Jul 18, 2014 |
klbakare: Remember the case of- Paul I know, Jesus I know, who art thou? That prayer was made in the name of Jesus. No? So you mean that Jesus can tell us to love our enemies, pray for them and bless them that persecute us and still turn around to aanswer a prayer that runs contrary to this instruction? 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Nobody: 12:17pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
Error! Jesus never told any demons to die and he rebuked his disciples when they thought of calling down fire on their enemies. Most MFM prayers sound like a prayer list from a Dibia or Babalawo! They just help in breeding fear! 1 Like |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by alexleo(m): 1:38pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
Processor01: Error! Jesus never told any demons to die and he rebuked his disciples when they thought of calling down fire in their enemies. YOU ARE RIGHT. GOD BLESS YOU. THEY ARE JUST DECEIVING THEMSELVES. |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by mkpakanaodogwu(m): 8:43pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
Blacks and over religiousity |
| Re: This M.f.m And Their Die Prayers by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
some people do not know ANYTHING,ANYTHING at all about the mountain of fire nd miracle ministries.they just talk anyhow. |
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