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Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 11:17am On Sep 06, 2014
This thread is for people that are interested in the igbo/bantu linguistic connection.
While it has been established by linguists and anthropologists that igbos are not Bantus,it is interesting to note that Igbo language share linguistic similarities with some Bantu and bantu related languages.
One forumite rather called for a cursive study of neighbouring ''Bantu related languages'',and here is my contribution.
An Igbo name for God is Obasi.
Yako(Bantu) - Ubasi.
Ekoi(Bantu like) - Nsi.
Duala(coastal bantu) - Ebasi.
Bamileke(Semi bantu) - Si and Owasi.
Bambuti(Bantu) -Baatsi.
Ibibio(Bantu like) -Abasi.
It seems like the operating rootword here is ''Si''
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 11:30am On Sep 06, 2014
*Still on the equivalent of the word God in Bantu like languages.
It is worthwhile to note that ''Jok'' seems to be an important term for god in African languages.
These ''Sudanic languages use Jok to represent god/the creator being:
Acholi - Jok.
Anuak(Sudan) - Juok.
Dinka(Sudan) - Jok.
Alur(Sudan) - Jok.
Ugandan/Congo languages - Juok.
Lotuko - Ajok.
Igbo god of yam- Njoku.
This is not a mere coincidence in my opinion,the word 'jok' might be of Sudanic/Western Nilotic origin. I would call for further research in this area.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 11:47am On Sep 06, 2014
I also came across an interesting issue.
There is a Bantu tribe in Kenya known as Gusii that refer to God as ''Erioba''. Erioba is the Gusii Sky or Sun God. Is there a relationship between the legendary Igbo sky being with this particular Gusii Sky being known as Erioba? Your guess is as good as mine.
In the course of this research,i also came across Thong(Southern Africa)'s name for God which is Xikwembu,which can also be pronounced as Shikwembu.
In my opinion, this word was formerly Chi nke mbu.
In a similar vein, an Ekoid dialect refer to God as Osawa. We all know that the word ''Osa'' stands for God in Igbo,Yoruba,Bini etc.
*pending...
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by cheruv: 12:15pm On Sep 06, 2014
this is further proof that the Igbos came from the East around the region of Kemet(Egypt) and Israel,passing through those cultures and imbibing parts of them.the thing that can't be established with certainty is the period when this happened... but pundits place it between 1440BC when Moshe left Egypt and 950AD when the supreme ancestor,Eri established the Nri dynasty that now rules Igbo land smiley smiley

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 12:59pm On Sep 06, 2014
cheruv: this is further proof that the Igbos came from the East around the region of Kemet(Egypt) and Israel,passing through those cultures and imbibing parts of them.the thing that can't be established with certainty is the period when this happened... but pundits place it between 1440BC when Moshe left Egypt and 950AD when the supreme ancestor,Eri established the Nri dynasty that now rules Igbo land smiley smiley
Which dynasty is it that is ruling all of igbo land?. In short you just wrote total nonsense, from the hilarious jewish stuupid talk to an nri dynasty that nobody knows of. See don't provoke me with all these jewish talk. I don't know how it relates with what the op was saying, and I wonder if you have shame at all; of all the good people on earth, the one you chose to be obsessed with is the jew.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 1:20pm On Sep 06, 2014
Well,this thread is not about Eri but i will say a few things about this issue.

From all oral accounts of Igbo people, Eri happens to have migrated into igbo land from the Northern igbo axis. His initial origin has not been established, some accounts point to Egypt,others to Sudan and Israel.
Am of the opinion that the language he spoke wasn't really different from Igbo in view of the names of his desendants and clans. Was he an Igbo returnee in the mold of Eze Chima and co?
Anyway,he established his kingdom amongst the local people he met. Am of the opinion that Eri was a Charismatic person,probably a Warrior,King/Prince and was probably deifed amongst Gusaii people.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 3:39pm On Sep 06, 2014
With courageous threads like this the great past of the Igbos will not remain hidden forever. I will post a link to it on the other thread and a link will also be posted on Igbodefender.com, so that it will get its deserved traffic. Ihuomadinihu de me.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by TonySpike: 4:18pm On Sep 06, 2014
Interesting research here. I really think this Eri connection is very related to the priests of Horus from Lower Egypt. Check this pattern among Nigerian ethnic groups:

Horus - Orisha, Oritshe, Aro, Eri, Arusi

There is a reoccurrence of the letter R (or RA) which stills point to an Egyptian/Sudan origin.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 7:23pm On Sep 06, 2014
TonySpike: Interesting research here. I really think this Eri connection is very related to the priests of Horus from Lower Egypt. Check this pattern among Nigerian ethnic groups:

Horus - Orisha, Oritshe, Aro, Eri, Arusi

There is a reoccurrence of the letter R (or RA) which stills point to an Egyptian/Sudan origin.
Yeah,you have a valid opinion here. One oral account states that Gusaii people migrated from an area around Egypt. Their earliest ancestor is called Muntu or Kintu. They also remember one ancestor called Mundu and his eldest son,Mwambu.
Eri is subject to further studies. We can ascribe its presence/relationship in Igbo/Egypt/Gusii as a hypothesis for now.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 7:40pm On Sep 06, 2014
Umuigbo that's the spirit. We need to research by ourselves, not depend solely on what some people tell us.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 9:32pm On Sep 06, 2014
Op in which Igboid dialect is "ose" translated as God. Pls no offence, am just like..... WTF!!!
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 10:50pm On Sep 06, 2014
Danrizzle: Op in which Igboid dialect is "ose" translated as God. Pls no offence, am just like..... WTF!!!
Wash your eyes with bleach before commenting.
I wrote ''Osa'' not ose.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 7:11am On Sep 07, 2014
Ihuomadinihu:
Wash your eyes with bleach before commenting.
I wrote ''Osa'' not ose.
okay sorry... Where in igbo is "osa" translated as God?. I just want to know.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 5:22pm On Sep 07, 2014
Danrizzle: okay sorry... Where in igbo is "osa" translated as God?. I just want to know.
Osa stands for God in a few Southern Nigerian languages. E:g Osanobue- Edo.
Osakwe- Igbo.
Osadebe-Igbo.
There are also variants like Olisa, Orisa or Orisha(Yoruba).
I believe osa is derived from Olisa/Orisa.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 7:08pm On Sep 11, 2014
cheruv: this is further proof that the Igbos came from the East around the region of Kemet(Egypt) and Israel,passing through those cultures and imbibing parts of them.the thing that can't be established with certainty is the period when this happened... but pundits place it between 1440BC when Moshe left Egypt and 950AD when the supreme ancestor,Eri established the Nri dynasty that now rules Igbo land smiley smiley

Lmao you must be deluded. Which Nri dynasty?

You should know that Igbo land has no exact hierarchy of kings because you all have different histories. Eze Nri cannot be head of Amaigbo, Umueri clans yes but not the whole Igbo
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 7:21pm On Sep 11, 2014
Ihuomadinihu: Well,this thread is not about Eri but i will say a few things about this issue.

From all oral accounts of Igbo people, Eri happens to have migrated into igbo land from the Northern igbo axis. His initial origin has not been established, some accounts point to Egypt,others to Sudan and Israel.
Am of the opinion that the language he spoke wasn't really different from Igbo in view of the names of his desendants and clans. Was he an Igbo returnee in the mold of Eze Chima and co?
Anyway,he established his kingdom amongst the local people he met. Am of the opinion that Eri was a Charismatic person,probably a Warrior,King/Prince and was probably deifed amongst Gusaii people.

Doesn't the igala theory hold??
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 7:34pm On Sep 11, 2014
Ihuomadinihu: This thread is for people that are interested in the igbo/bantu linguistic connection.
While it has been established by linguists and anthropologists that igbos are not Bantus,it is interesting to note that Igbo language share linguistic similarities with some Bantu and bantu related languages.
One forumite rather called for a cursive study of neighbouring ''Bantu related languages'',and here is my contribution.
An Igbo name for God is Obasi.
Yako(Bantu) - Ubasi.
Ekoi(Bantu like) - Nsi.
Duala(coastal bantu) - Ebasi.
Bamileke(Semi bantu) - Si and Owasi.
Bambuti(Bantu) -Baatsi.
Ibibio(Bantu like) -Abasi.
It seems like the operating rootword here is ''Si''

Alusi/Arusi could be added
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 7:34pm On Sep 11, 2014
igbodefender: With courageous threads like this the great past of the Igbos will not remain hidden forever. I will post a link to it on the other thread and a link will also be posted on Igbodefender.com, so that it will get its deserved traffic. Ihuomadinihu de me.

Igbodefender why u linking Igbo to other ethnic groups
When you can find your history within yourselves. Don't you have elders who hold some tales as part of the general oral traditions??
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by cheruv: 9:38pm On Sep 11, 2014
macof:

Lmao you must be deluded. Which Nri dynasty?

You should know that Igbo land has no exact hierarchy of kings because you all have different histories. Eze Nri cannot be head of Amaigbo, Umueri clans yes but not the whole Igbo
talking nonsense!!!
the nri dynasty wasn't militaristic but religious in nature.. something like the holy roman empire. its glory waned with the establishment of arochukwu in 1690 and its growth in 1700 till the demise of the aro Confederacy with the Anglo-Aro wars in 1902.
as a yoloba hater I expect you to backbite...
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 12:25am On Sep 12, 2014
cheruv:
talking nonsense!!!
the nri dynasty wasn't militaristic but religious in nature.. something like the holy roman empire. its glory waned with the establishment of arochukwu in 1690 and its growth in 1700 till the demise of the aro Confederacy with the Anglo-Aro wars in 1902.
as a yoloba hater I expect you to backbite...

undecided what sense have you just made? cheesy
and wat is yoloba the name ur parents call u?
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by cheruv: 5:44am On Sep 12, 2014
macof:

undecided what sense have you just made? cheesy
and wat is yoloba the name ur parents call u?
just as I expected to you backbite you never failed in doing just that. and I think its high time yolobas remove their eyes from Igbo affairs.. that we cohabit the same geographical expression doesn't give your nation that right!! angry
as per the yoloba,that's my accent... just as you guys doesn't have CH,V and H sounds in your vocabulary tongue

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 10:53am On Sep 12, 2014
cheruv:
just as I expected to you backbite you never failed in doing just that. and I think its high time yolobas remove their eyes from Igbo affairs.. that we cohabit the same geographical expression doesn't give your nation that right!! angry
as per the yoloba,that's my accent... just as you guys doesn't have CH,V and H sounds in your vocabulary tongue
;Dthis man sef.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by somegirl1: 2:14pm On Sep 12, 2014
Ihuomadinihu: This thread is for people that are interested in the igbo/bantu linguistic connection.
While it has been established by linguists and anthropologists that igbos are not Bantus,it is interesting to note that Igbo language share linguistic similarities with some Bantu and bantu related languages.
One forumite rather called for a cursive study of neighbouring ''Bantu related languages'',and here is my contribution.
An Igbo name for God is Obasi.
Yako(Bantu) - Ubasi.
Ekoi(Bantu like) - Nsi.
Duala(coastal bantu) - Ebasi.
Bamileke(Semi bantu) - Si and Owasi.
Bambuti(Bantu) -Baatsi.
Ibibio(Bantu like) -Abasi.
It seems like the operating rootword here is ''Si''


God is Obasi is Igbo groups close to Ibibio etc not across
Igbo land.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 10:36pm On Sep 12, 2014
somegirl1:

God is Obasi is Igbo groups close to Ibibio etc not across
Igbo land.
Obasi stands for God in Igboland.
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by somegirl1: 11:43pm On Sep 12, 2014
Ihuomadinihu:
Obasi stands for God in Igboland.

Not where I come from and not in all of Igbo land, which I am sure you know every well.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Ihuomadinihu: 6:55am On Sep 13, 2014
somegirl1:

Not where I come from and not in all of Igbo land, which I am sure you know every well.
You got the entire issue wrong. No one is searching for Igbos in Bantu nations. You can see that i traced the 'Si' word in Nigeria down to Cameron our closest bantu neighbours,this shows that Igbo had contact with bantu languages.
Obasi is God in Igbo,i don't care where it is used. Just like Chiokike and Olisa bi n'igwe stands for God in Igbo but they are not used throughout Igboland. Must we share the same name for God? I am trying to illustrate and discover the reason why Obasi/Si is used in Igbo,Efik and Cameron even up to Egypt.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by TonySpike: 7:49am On Sep 13, 2014
Ihuomadinihu:
You got the entire issue wrong. No one is searching for Igbos in Bantu nations. You can see that i traced the 'Si' word in Nigeria down to Cameron our closest bantu neighbours,this shows that Igbo had contact with bantu languages.
Obasi is God in Igbo,i don't care where it is used. Just like Chiokike and Olisa bi n'igwe stands for God in Igbo but they are not used throughout Igboland. Must we share the same name for God? I am trying to illustrate and discover the reason why Obasi/Si is used in Igbo,Efik and Cameron even up to Egypt.

Sir, the truth is that some people will not buy the idea of your research on this forum. This is very obvious and you don't have to go to and fro with them. The person you responded to, if I remember very well, resisted these ideas of Igbo interactions with Bantus in ancient times on another old thread. The truth is that most parts of Africa, except the Egyptian/Sudan/Ethiopia axis, were mostly uninhabited about 3000 years ago. People came from somewhere, interacted and migrated as they travelled inward Africa. This has led to substantial and dramatic changes in African languages, even though some similarities still exist. Religion and some cultural practices, however, did change as much as the languages over these years. Hence, these clues are still present. I personally know that Africa got populated from three major genetic pools: Nilotes, Ethiopian and Khoisans. So, it is very valid to say that population migration was a norm in classical Africa.

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 1:55pm On Sep 13, 2014
TonySpike:

The truth is that most parts of Africa, except the Egyptian/Sudan/Ethiopia axis, were mostly uninhabited about 3000 years ago.

This seems to me a little strange. 3000 years ago = 1000 BC. May I ask why you believe sub-Saharan and Northwestern Africa were largely uninhabited by 1000 BC?
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by Nobody: 6:59pm On Sep 13, 2014
Ihuomadinihu:
Obasi stands for God in Igboland.
True, as in Obasi di n'elu (God who is is Heaven). The Ibibio call God Ababsi
Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by TonySpike: 8:11pm On Sep 13, 2014
Radoillo:

This seems to me a little strange. 3000 years ago = 1000 BC. May I ask why you believe sub-Saharan and Northwestern Africa were largely uninhabited by 1000 BC?

I used the word 'mostly' not largely. In order not to blur my interpretation, I want to believe that a large swathe towards the Southern areas of Africa were mostly unoccupied and if occupied, had very minor population. Here's a quote in this context and a simple map in addition.


In the north east, the kingdom of Egypt is in decline, although its ancient civilization will retain its power for many centuries. The rising Greek civilization will come under its spell, and its art and architecture will be heavily influenced by Egyptian examples.

Nubia remains firmly within Egypt's cultural and political orbit. In the rest if sub-Saharan Africa, cattle-herding and farming are gradually spreading throughout western and central Africa, having probably reached the Great Lakes region by now. Also, around this date, some peoples in West Africa, living on the fringes of the rain forests, are making the difficult transition to tropical forest farming. This agriculture is based on a quite different set of crops to savannah agriculture, with cultivated fruits and roots such as plantains and yams as the staples.

Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by macof(m): 9:08pm On Sep 13, 2014
TonySpike:

Sir, the truth is that some people will not buy the idea of your research on this forum. This is very obvious and you don't have to go to and fro with them. The person you responded to, if I remember very well, resisted these ideas of Igbo interactions with Bantus in ancient times on another old thread. The truth is that most parts of Africa, except the Egyptian/Sudan/Ethiopia axis, were mostly uninhabited about 3000 years ago. People came from somewhere, interacted and migrated as they travelled inward Africa. This has led to substantial and dramatic changes in African languages, even though some similarities still exist. Religion and some cultural practices, however, did change as much as the languages over these years. Hence, these clues are still present. I personally know that Africa got populated from three major genetic pools: Nilotes, Ethiopian and Khoisans. So, it is very valid to say that population migration was a norm in classical Africa.


What evidence do u have that people came into sub-saharan Africa from Ethiopia/Sudan/Egypt??

Every single human migration theory (that isn't based on Jewish scriptures) that is held as a fact speaks of an Out of Africa migration, not into Africa migration

I admit sub-Saharan Africa has relations with Egypt/Sudan..like..
DNA of the early dynastic kings of Egypt match with sub-Saharan Africans, West Africans especially.
The sub-Saharan cultures are seen in the early times of the nile valley eg. Divine kingship, burying a slave with the king to assist in the journey to the afterlife, keeping the king's body parts preserved(you should know Ife, Bini, itsekiri are known for this, especially with the head) etc
cognitive words

But west Africa has been inhabited for 11,000 years at least(going by available evidence) which is long before any northern African land

every logic points Sub-Saharan Africa as the origin of black population of northern Africa, blacks didn't go South they went North

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Re: Re: Bantu/benue-congo/igbo Relationship. by AmunRaOlodumare: 9:23am On Sep 14, 2014
We can see the language relationship between various Niger-Congo languages in the following image. Basically, Bantu languages share the same Benue-Congo family branch with Yoruba, Igbo, Nupe and other languages. That is at one time, there possibly was a population speaking a language we can call proto-Benue-Congo who then migrated to different location, creating language differentiations (Eastern/Western Benue-Congo, for example).

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