chieveboy:


If you observe properly, "certain spirit" as used here connote the English man's lack of proper nomenclature for the Eck-- the Holy Spirit..."it is a Holy Ghost"...they know there are spirits, good ones, bad ones, holy ones...

If you say the Life force and the Holy Spirit are different, then it's only a matter of differences, ignorance our experiences and understanding of the subject matter ( The Holy Spirit).

There are many spirits

but the Holy Spirit will convince, convict and convert you from your sins then counsel and commission you for God's work

The Holy Spirit will guide you into the whole Truth and will not contradict His Word in the Holy Bible.

chieveboy:


If I must comment on this: Being a former Christian, I understand too well what the ordinary Christian means by 'Spirit'..."many Spirits"
They had consciously and unconsciously created these spirits as objects of blame for all their woes, sorrows and misfortunes...so you hear prayers that binds and casts these spirits and demons...to no end...for both parties...

I will like to hear your understanding of how the Holy Spirit does this...how it finds its subject for 'convincing, convicting and converting' from this 'Sin'.

By this statement, you have implied that this 'Whole Truth' will definitely be in the Bible...

Well here is an idea for your perusal: The infinitive nature of truth was hinted by one Biblical writer that " the miracles Jesus performed could not be captured by a book...even the whole world could not contain them..."

We understand that truth CANNOT be captured in a book...not the holy bible of Eckankar, The christian bible nor any PHYSICAL object or gadget.
No matter the immensity of truth, one finds restriction posed by the physics, chemistry etc of the physical world...words in it self lack appropriate connotations...ever wonder why some of your evangelists resort to translating biblical verses from Greek? Ponder on this rather than fixating on 'winning the argument' Thanks.

OLAADEGBU:


You will have to first understand that the both the Holy Spirit and the Truth are two distinct Persons. The Holy Spirit is a Person and the Truth is a Person. The Holy Spirit will convince, convict and then lead you into conversion when you believe the report of the Lord. Whose report do you believe? I have believed the report of the Lord.

OLAADEGBU:


You will have to first understand that the both the Holy Spirit and the Truth are two distinct Persons. The Holy Spirit is a Person and the Truth is a Person. The Holy Spirit will convince, convict and then lead you into conversion when you believe the report of the Lord. Whose report do you believe? I have believed the report of the Lord.

chieveboy:


Alright...good for you that you have "believed" a certain 'report'. Am an Eckist...I follow the path of Eck. Am on a journey of Self and God realization.

I wish not to continue with propositions and oppositions. Understand that Eckankar is not an orthodox religion. It is an 'experiantial' path! What this means is that Eckist tend to go beyond this 'believe'...or 'beliefs', and seek to SEE AND KNOW.

Benodic was asked if Eckist 'believe' in Jesus, and he asked back "do you KNOW Jesus?"...Olaadegbu do you know Jesus? The question is not about the 'knowing of Jesus' that you guys 'abstractly' profess...
Whether the Holy Spirit is a Person, thing or place...the question is do you know It, him/her etc? Have you made the effort to contact this Holy Spirit? How had it changed your life? (...talking about "fruits..." "Truth" a person...sure! A person is Truth, for a person is an embodiment of a spiritual principle--a truth.

This 'report' my dear brother, whatever it is let it help you love God and your fellow man. If it doesn't perhaps it is not worth your while.

Thanks

BetterChurch:


Ordinarily, the thread title implies an honest, unbiased questions seeking answers. Isn't that so?
Except otherwise visit the official website of the religion www.Eckankar.org which is my only religion almost 20years now.

OLAADEGBU:


There is nothing new under the sun. Is it any different from the half truth and lie that the serpent sold to our first parents? They were told that they will realise themselves and become like God and what did they find? Death.

OLAADEGBU:


There is nothing new under the sun. Is it any different from the half truth and lie that the serpent sold to our first parents? They were told that they will realise themselves and become like God and what did they find? Death.

asalimpo:


a threat or a warning which?
You can freely leave God just as u can freely leave a secure zone but if ur warned tht danger awaits outside ,is tht a threat?
Stop gettg it twisted.
You cant freely leave satan or one of his phony hell-traps (false religions.) the devil aint no diplomat.

Try leavg islam.
Try leavg JW.
Try leavg the mafia.
Try leavg this eck thing.

benodic:

my dear olaadegbu,

you really made me laugh this night. i didn't know you were such a funny guy. i saw your post and i said what in heaven's name is olaadegbu doing disseminating info about ECKANKAR and how does he even know anything about ECKANKAR. so i went straight to your link and had another laugh.

you see there is one thing you have to understand. we in ECKANKAR simply do not care about any negative info or any name calling levelled at us by anybody or any group. the energy you spend castigating another religion is best spent contemplating on GOD. the mystery surrounding God is so enourmous and mankind over the ages has grappled with it, which resulted in many religions being practiced on earth today.

nobody has monopoly over truth. the test of any religion at the end of the day is in how has it made your life better. how has it brought love for God and your fellow man into your heart. love at the end of the day is the key to heaven and by their fruits you will know them.
it is mentality like yours that is causing the chaos on earth today, people leave the truth and pursue shadows and spend more time inflating their egos by proclaiming that their God is bigger than yours. really?

so my dear if you like continue your bashing, it doesn't take anything away from what ECKANKAR is. The Religion of the Light and Sound Of God. the light and sound being the manifestation of the Holy Spirit which when it comes into your life makes you a new being filled with love and bent on only carrying out the will of God. it is a life to live and not an argument to be argued about.

those who are interested in getting the correct information about ECKANKAR can go to the website: www.eckankar.org. ECKANKAR is also on facebook. if you have questions you want to ask an Eckist, you can go to the thread-https://www.nairaland.com/533844/contemplation-seeds-eckankar and drop your question there.

thanks

chieveboy:


You seem to dread this death! But assuming God will let you see beyond this veil, you will find out that one who 'dies' actually stopped a body he possessed at birth, and uses a new one corresponding to where he/she is going.

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever"

chieveboy:


Death is a relative term, a 'stoppage' here and a continuation there. It is ordained by God and not an aftermath of some purpoted error, else there won't be death. Thanks.

"As it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

chalantmike:


buh the serpent dnt lie in fact, he never lied in any statement made to eve.
read yhur bible again, n this time come out of that sunday school indoctrination n follow the trail from the every beginning.

chalantmike:


if yhu believe man truly die, then yhur God is not immortal as claimed by the bible.
the only difference btw good and man is flesh. even the bible said humans are higher than angels, cause we posses every essence they possess and more flesh.

"Then shall the the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

chalantmike:


if yhu believe man dies then jesus is dead and did not raise, for it is appointed unto a man to live once after that death.

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"

chalantmike:


the term death is very synonymous, for example yhu die everyday, when yhu go to sleep , interval of a month I think, every cell in yhur body is replaced, yhu biologically speaking a new being.

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil"

chalantmike:


consider the fact that when the serpent, its not what yhu term as death, the serpent did promise knowledge of good and evil, was that not delivered.
did christ nt raise from the dead?. does the bible not contain illustrations of people coming back from what yhu assume to be death?.

"And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"

chalantmike:


the thing with religion is, it all metaphor, truth lost in tym,code literally written in code.
yhu dnt just pick up a religious book especially the bible to read, approach with an open mind, and get a decipher or sumthing.

chalantmike:
the serpent is a symbol of enlightenment,healing and salvation , this is the one place where Christianity, oriental, and occidental religion aggree on.

the serpent as a spiritual archetype suggests that its meaning can never be literal or its ways plain. even the bible encourages to be as cunning as a serpent.

if yhu as a Christian do not know the verses of the bible, illustrating the serpent as a spiritual archetypal/symbol. don't call yhurself a christian yhur a bench warmer.

again the bible was nt written in plain text.

Michellekabod2:

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Michellekabod2:


your holy book says that two blind people can't lead each other. As a Pharisee, you are a blind corrector of the blind. We all are deluded to some extent,some more deluded than others though... But your egoistic self makes you feel you are special or more enlightened by others and feel the need to correct other....so eckankars are added to your list? Mormons,anglicans and budhists get prepared as he may call you out soon

"As it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

"Are you saying that Christians are better than non-Christians?"

The Christian is no better than a non-Christian, but he is infinitely better off. It is like two men on a plane, one of whom is wearing a parachute while the other is not. Neither is better than the other, but the man with the parachute is certainly better off than the man who is not wearing a parachute. The difference will be seen when they jump from the plane at 20,000 feet. Jesus warned that if we "jump" into death without Him, we would perish. The Law of an infinitely holy and just Creator is even harsher than gravity. Scripture states that sinners are God's enemy (Romans 5:10) and that "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31).

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 14 October 2013 ·
www.NeedGod.com

LostAddict:


Sorry to say so many leave Eck and nothing happens, in fact you could still believe in your religion and practice Eckankar

OLAADEGBU:


Are you still a member?

honeychild:


objection please!