You called a Muslim ignorant because:

He believes in one God and rejects the Pagan believe in 3 gods (the trinity?);
He believes in all the Prophets including the final one, Muhammad (PBUH);
He pays charity?; e.t.c e.t.c,

Is that what you gathered and concluded to be ignorant?
Is that what the bible teaches you? calling all these deeds ignorant?
If yes, then bible is a gutter! and Christianity is a disease!
If you just make such buggy assumptions; then you are a looney specie.

Solve your trinity arithmetic first (1+1+1=1) before calling us ignorant.

You called a Muslim ignorant because:

He believes in one God and rejects the Pagan believe in 3 gods (the trinity?);
He believes in all the Prophets including the final one, Muhammad (PBUH);
He pays charity?; e.t.c e.t.c,

Is that what you gathered and concluded to be ignorant?
Is that what the bible teaches you? calling all these deeds ignorant?
If yes, then bible is a gutter! and Christianity is a disease!
If you just make such buggy assumptions; then you are a looney specie.

Solve your trinity arithmetic first (1+1+1=1) before calling us ignorant.

we call moslems ignorant because they worship multiple gods the moon+the sun+kaaba e.t.c
we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being treated like slaves
we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being objectified with justification from the quran and hadiths.
we call moslems ignorant because they dont seem to comprehend what we are comprehending in their quran i.e the confusions,contradictions
we call moslems ignorant because even though they have not been able to defend or justify the many acts of wickedness,destruction mohammad committed while on earth they still gullibly follow his warped doctrines and religion.
we call moslems ignorant because their old men cause female children untold gyneacological pains by defiling a baby girl and forcing them to have children they are not old enouh to bear thereby causing untold permanent damage.
we call muslims ignorant because they are still living in the ston ages, women sit at the back,never show your face in public while the men can.
we call moslems ignorant because what a man can do,a woman must not even try it talk less of doing better.
we call moslems ignorant because their quran and hadiths is crock full of contradictions,lies half truths .

explain and justify to us the significance of bowing down to the sun before accusing us of worshipping 3 GODS

explain to us the significance of using the moon for your sightings in the era of internet and satellite in space if not a ritualistic religious observance before accusing us of worshipping three GODS.
explain to us the significance of the gender inequality and why mohammad stole,killed innocent people,slept with a 9 years old,plotted assasination,and spoke from tboth sides of his mouth resulting in contradictions and lies before accusing us of worshipping THREE GODS

@godslave,and everyone who sees this will know you are a nothing but a deceiver and a liar,or you think you can confuse or convince readers with all those thrash up there?youre doing more harm to your self honestly if you dnt know,and you think all this rubbish you wrote is not insulting muslims?later you will all open your wide mouth and say muslims are this and that but you failed to realise the extent at which it can go,continue okay

uplawal:

@godslave,and everyone who sees this will know you are a nothing but a deceiver and a liar,or you think you can confuse or convince readers with all those thrash up there?youre doing more harm to your self honestly if you dnt know,and you think all this rubbish you wrote is not insulting muslims?later you will all open your wide mouth and say muslims are this and that but you failed to realise the extent at which it can go,continue okay

i was going to advise you to calm down because of eje ruru,but i realised that u r prolly ready to die as a martyr so dont worry keep on shouting if you have cardiac arrest in the course of jihad you will get your own 72 male virgins in paradise.where exactly have i lied?you didnt see anything wrong in the one before mine did you?bet you didnt

@godson,Dnt let me slap you from the net,ofcourse i saw what he wrote,but he never abused you or said anything thats grievious,compare to what you wrote,and trust me,you done for, if u dnt stop all this

uplawal:

@godson,Dnt let me slap you from the net,ofcourse i saw what he wrote,but he never abused you or said anything thats grievious,compare to what you wrote,and trust me,you done for, if u dnt stop all this

u called me godson today you must be in a good mood i wrote the same thing he wrote.are you threatening me or you r planning to make a quick trip to ijebu?dont worry i am covered by the blood of jesus and i invite you to come under back under that umbrella of grace too, we r waiting for you

ISHH,it was an error ,GODSLAVE YOU ARE

GOING TO IJEBU FOR WHAT?ISLAM is not fetish if u think so

@Godson2009

we call moslems ignorant because they worship multiple gods the moon+the sun+kaaba e.t.c

Could you please show me the verses where Muslims worship the above?

we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being treated like slaves

Proof please and I will post part from your people claiming to be inspired. Oya, start.

we call moslems ignorant because their women are still being objectified with justification from the quran and
hadiths.

Show me please with verses from the Quran, Hadith and chain of transmission.

we call moslems ignorant because they dont seem to comprehend what we are comprehending in their quran i.e the confusions,contradictions

Feed me please. Hope you know your bible very well before posting the above statement.

we call moslems ignorant because even though they have not been able to defend or justify the many acts of wickedness,destruction mohammad committed while on earth they still gullibly follow his warped doctrines and religion.

Fact please and we will see which is warped.

we call moslems ignorant because their old men cause female children untold gyneacological pains by defiling a baby girl and forcing them to have children they are not old enouh to bear thereby causing untold permanent damage.

Ok. could you please spill that out? I mean facts. Baby girl

we call muslims ignorant because they are still living in the ston ages, women sit at the back,never show your face in public while the men can.

Expantiate please because I dont know what you are driving at.

we call moslems ignorant because what a man can do,a woman must not even try it talk less of doing better.

Like what sir?

we call moslems ignorant because their quran and hadiths is crock full of contradictions,lies half truths

.


Feed me please.

explain and justify to us the significance of bowing down to the sun before accusing us of worshipping 3 GODS

Let me have it from the Quran or Hadith where we worship son.

explain to us the significance of using the moon for your sightings in the era of internet and satellite in space if not a ritualistic religious observance before accusing us of worshipping three GODS.

Ignorance is really a disease. It seems this guy does not know how even Nigerians used to count days using moon then. Back in the village, they used moon to calculate days and there is a verse in the Quran that supports that.

Gather your tory well well uncle

explain to us the significance of the gender inequality and why mohammad stole,killed innocent people,slept with a 9 years old,plotted assasination,and spoke from tboth sides of his mouth resulting in contradictions and lies before accusing us of worshipping THREE GODS

Facts please dude and let us get started and when done, you and I would go into your book and compare the allegations levelled up.

Good day

@Godson2009

u called me godson today you must be in a good mood i wrote the same thing he wrote.are you threatening me or you r planning to make a quick trip to ijebu?dont worry i am covered by the blood of jesus and i invite you to come under back under that umbrella of grace too, we r waiting for you

Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?

@babs,godslave,is just a dumb guy that thinks xtianity is the right way,hes so ignorant

@babs,pls give me 30mins,i will join you on yahoo,thanks,its veryu important pls

babs787:

Could you please show me the verses where Muslims worship the above?

when praying,what do you face if not the sun and then bowing down to it,unless you are asserting that your allah only sits down where the sun is lol,you use the moon in this day and age for your sallah celebs,ou have the symbol on your minarets

babs787:

Proof please and I will post part from your people claiming to be inspired. Oya, start.

muslim men are enjoined to beat them if they are disobedient,they are never to mount the pulpit to preach no matter how learned they are in the intricacies of the quran,they cannot sit down with the men even husbands,in praying they are at the back i have the quranic verses and hadiths but its late and i have to go get some sleep

babs787:

Show me please with verses from the Quran, Hadith and chain of transmission.

lol chain of transmission indeed where u there when the hadiths were written so apart from relying on the testimonies of those who adjudge them freliable or unreliable how do you know because the way it is tested is mostly guess work

babs787:

Feed me please. Hope you know your bible very well before posting the above statement.

yes i do and i know mohammad in trying to validate his man made religion plagliarised a substantial portion of the bible

babs787:

Fact please and we will see which is warped.

now i know you r just having me on if you are asking this

babs787:

Ok. could you please spill that out? I mean facts. Baby girl

you need to go and learn about fistula sire,while doing that read quran 654 where your prophet was allowing the divorce of prepubescent

babs787:

Expantiate please because I dont know what you are driving at.

in every facet of the islamic way of life,women are not allowed to show their eyes,they have to be all covered up just like the times of racial segregation where whites and blacks had a seperate entrances to the restaurant,same is happening in your religion true or true?lol

babs787:

Like what sir?

.
she is not allowed to lead the men in prayers,she is not allowed to sit with the men even her son in the privacy of her own hhome and has o retire to the back of the house e.t.c

babs787:

Feed me please.

start from abrogated verses especially on fighting unbelievers,satanic verses e.t.c

babs787:

Let me have it from the Quran or Hadith where we worship son.

you pray towards the sun and bow down true or false?

babs787:

Ignorance is really a disease. It seems this guy does not know how even Nigerians used to count days using moon then. Back in the village, they used moon to calculate days and there is a verse in the Quran that supports that.

i agree but they have moved on to using the internet,does tthe fact that they used to kill twins in the olen days justify moslems killing and bombings?

babs787:

Gather your tory well well uncle

i dont need to,the inherent falsehood in the quran and islam is doing it all for me without lifting a finger

babs787:

Facts please dude and let us get started and when done, you and I would go into your book and compare the allegations levelled up.
Good day

okie but all you have done is to post short open ended retorts you have not even scratched the surface in trying to conclusivelyjustify the assertions i have raised

uplawal:

@babs,godslave,is just a dumb guy that thinks xtianity is the right way,hes so ignorant

sister titi a.k.a titialayo why r you calling me ignorant

cos you dnt like your soul,honestly

uplawal:

cos you dnt like your soul,honestly

cant you at least answer your name sister titialayo loool dont worry my soul is safe asll i am doing is making sure i preserve it and run the race of salvation to the end so that i can receive the same crown apostle paul and the others have recieved.that is why i am making it my personal mission to make sure both you and your husband abuzola will make heaven with me sister titi

@Godson2009

when praying,what do you face if not the sun and then bowing down to it,unless you are asserting that your allah only sits down where the sun is lol,you use the moon in this day and age for your sallah celebs,ou have the symbol on your minarets

Oga, kindly provide the facts and let us move on. Could you please provide where we worship moon and sun?

muslim men are enjoined to beat them if they are disobedient,they are never to mount the pulpit to preach no matter how learned they are in the intricacies of the quran,they cannot sit down with the men even husbands,in praying they are at the back i have the quranic verses and hadiths but its late and i have to go get some sleep

When you wake up, kindly supply me the needed facts.

lol chain of transmission indeed where u there when the hadiths were written so apart from relying on the testimonies of those who adjudge them freliable or unreliable how do you know because the way it is tested is mostly guess work

Oga, are you really up to the task? Common, be a man and spill the facts.

yes i do and i know mohammad in trying to validate his man made religion plagliarised a substantial portion of the bible

Let me have your plagiarization.

now i know you r just having me on if you are asking this

Substantiate your allegation.

you need to go and learn about fistula sire,while doing that read quran 654 where your prophet was allowing the divorce of prepubescent

Quran 654 ? When we have 114 chapters in the Quran. Oga, are you up to the task?

in every facet of the islamic way of life,women are not allowed to show their eyes,they have to be all covered up just like the times of racial segregation where whites and blacks had a seperate entrances to the restaurant,same is happening in your religion true or true?lol

What every facet?
What of those having them uncovered, are they not muslims?

.

she is not allowed to lead the men in prayers,she is not allowed to sit with the men even her son in the privacy of her own hhome and has o retire to the back of the house e.t.c

Lead men in prayers? Let me start from your bible, do you read it in an upside down position? Did your bible not preach against women speaking and preaching in public places? Did your bible not say that women shoud remain silence and ask only their husband at home whatever they feel like asking?Is there any female messenger/Prophet from the lists God sent? Why would a female lead male in prayers? You read your bible but go against its teachings and that is the reason we have some advocating it while go against it. Churches now indulge in what congregation loves to hear 'prosperity' and does not have time for dressing, faith and other things that would profit you in the hereafter.

start from abrogated verses especially on fighting unbelievers,satanic verses e.t.c

Post them here and let us view them together

you pray towards the sun and bow down true or false?

The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

i agree but they have moved on to using the internet,does tthe fact that they used to kill twins in the olen days justify moslems killing and bombings?

Thank you for admitting that. Please does that mean they worshipped the moon?

i dont need to,the inherent falsehood in the quran and islam is doing it all for me without lifting a finger

Please, let us address the issue with maturity. I would appreciate you giving your facts and not just story telling sir.

okie but all you have done is to post short open ended retorts you have not even scratched the surface in trying to conclusivelyjustify the assertions i have raised

Oga, in case you you do not know me, kindly search for my name and read all my posts. I debate with facts, verses from both books.

I do not need to pre-empt you. You brought allegation and should be bold enough to give me facts and when you do that, I will provide rebuttal with verses from both books.


Note, this is still here for you:


Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?

i was replying this comments yesternight but by the time i clicked the reply icon nairaland developed some fault so it all got deleted hence the reason you are getting a late reply.

babs787:

@Godson2009
Oga, kindly provide the facts and let us move on. Could you please provide where we worship moon and sun

sire,i have to admit at this point that it is mentally frustrating having a debate with you,are you askig me to state the obvious?do you bow down to the sun while praying or not do you use the moon in sightings for your religious celebrations or not??isnt that deifying the sun and moon

babs787:

When you wake up, kindly supply me the needed facts.

quran 4;34,
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great


muslim hadith 4;2127 how your prophet lovingly takes care of his beloved aisha, Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

i have more where this came from,

babs787:


Let me have your plagiarization.

the stories of the prophets in the bible was wayy before mohammad was born, the old testament sections of the bible he blantantly stole and gummed to his man made religion for validation if u want proof read the old testament!!

babs787:

Substantiate your allegation.

i have severally done that by posting verses of the quran and hadiths i cant help it if you are delusional sire

babs787:

Quran 654 ? When we have 114 chapters in the Quran. Oga, are you up to the task?

you see why i am mentally frustrated debating with you??if you were that knowledgeable about your quran you should obviously have relised i meant 6;54 not 654

babs787:

What every facet?
What of those having them uncovered, are they not muslims?

no they are not,unless you are carving out a new law different from the sharia go and read sayyid qtb's milestones and what he says about his trip to america and dressings

babs787:
.
Lead men in prayers? Let me start from your bible, do you read it in an upside down position? Did your bible not preach against women speaking and preaching in public places?

i dont have a monopoly on biblical knowledge,please prove your assertions by posting the relevant biblical verses same as i have done anytime i raise any allegation concerning islam

babs787:

Did your bible not say that women shoud remain silence and ask only their husband at home whatever they feel like asking?

i have not come across this in my bible,however because i am a fair and reasonable man,i will give you the benefit of doubt, pls post the verses in the new testament where that is thanks

babs787:

Is there any female messenger/Prophet from the lists God sent?

i will ask you directly if that is the justification for gender inequality in islam
so yes or no do women have the mental capacity to be prophets or not?
is it possibl for GOD to use a woman in islam to do his work or not??i await your responce

babs787:

Why would a female lead male in prayers? You read your bible but go against its teachings and that is the reason we have some advocating it while go against it. Churches now indulge in what congregation loves to hear 'prosperity' and does not have time for dressing, faith and other things that would profit you in the hereafter.

in other words,you are inferring that your own allah does not answer the prayers of your women when they pray?
or are you saying that there is an orer of haierachy in your own allah answering prayers first man second male children 3rd wife last female children, imagine what kind of life a female in islam will be living all her life, i dont know what church you are reffering to but as far as i am concerned and as a born again and broken christian,my own girlfriend will only wear a skirt that covers her knee,she will not wear a sleeveless dress and she will cover her head when inside the church,and she knows the man is the head of the house,in spite of that we jointly make decisions we sit side by side and we give each other mutual respect,and lastly she is free and unhibited to fulfill and achieve her full potential without any gender bias

babs787:

Post them here and let us view them together

one of the abrogated verses, the vmedinan verse that abrogated the meccan verse concerning jihad of the sword, quran 2;191
satanic verses where mohammad was venerating pagan gods in mecca, quran 53;19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division
in continuation and conclusion here is where mohammad acknowledged his folly, quran 17;73, And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend

babs787:

The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

true or false??simple

babs787:

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

true or false sire??

babs787:

Thank you for admitting that. Please does that mean they worshipped the moon?

i asked you a question but you didnt answer it, as usual

babs787:

Please, let us address the issue with maturity. I would appreciate you giving your facts and not just story telling sir.

and what do you call all that i have been giving you since??validation for islam??

babs787:

Oga, in case you you do not know me, kindly search for my name and read all my posts. I debate with facts, verses from both books.

sire,you are yet to place those facts here since we started our little debate,all you do is to keep on reminding me of your reputation on nairaland which you are yet to p[rove i am tired of hearing talk,now please i want some action wlk the walk pls i cant keep on busting my hump posting after reading and digging through my sources and all you do in reply is send a terse one liner as a rebuttal or retort

babs787:

I do not need to pre-empt you. You brought allegation and should be bold enough to give me facts and when you do that, I will provide rebuttal with verses from both books.

i guess you are not as knowledgeable in islamic discourse as you thought you were after all then,you seem to me shifty and scared of debating with the fact you are so quick to proclaim, thers on here have given me a more challenging debate all you kp doing is prevaricating and empty charades,show me some hard facts rather than talk

babs787:


Note, this is still here for you:


Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?

you want me to address this,when you are yet to conclusiely address a single issue we have been debating about?/what cheek!!!

godSON2009 will never answer a direct queston. ever. he must carry the burden (cross) for Jesus. He will use paddy adenuga to illustrate blood gushing if he can. paddy must be paying him plenty, or father adenuga must.

@Godson2009

sire,i have to admit at this point that it is mentally frustrating having a debate with you,are you askig me to state the obvious?do you bow down to the sun while praying or not do you use the moon in sightings for your religious celebrations or not??isnt that deifying the sun and moon

Sorry sir. We do not bow down to the sun and if you have your fact, let me have it and I am also asking you that

who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west
Is not up?

quran 4;34,
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great


muslim hadith 4;2127 how your prophet lovingly takes care of his beloved aisha, Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission.  Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

i have more where this came from,

I dont even need to interprete the above but you need to first understand the arabic word used for 'struck' and when you are able to, then you will get the clearer picture of it. The Holy Prophet has not struck someone except in battle field

You may read these for further clarification

"Whoever strikes his slave in the face or beats him unjustly, his expiation is to manumit him." Narrated from Ibn `Umar by Muslim in his Sahih.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.   (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

the stories of the prophets in the bible was wayy before mohammad was born, the old testament sections of the bible he blantantly stole and gummed to his man made religion for validation if u want proof read the old testament!!

Really? You may start from Genesis to Malachi and let me have them. Are you referring to story of Adam or the 5 books you blindly claimed was penned down by Moses in which he wrote his obituary and another prophet that you claimed wrote the revelation and might have written his obituary as well? Maybe you are still referring to where God ate with Moses and the rest. I have list of them (you know I was blind like you).

i have severally done that by posting verses of the quran and hadiths i cant help it if you are delusional sire

I have not seen them and you could do that for please

you see why i am mentally frustrated debating with you??if you were that knowledgeable about your quran you should obviously have relised i meant 6;54 not 654

Go siddon. Your bible does not teach you to lie . Why not say it is supposed to be 65:4? Know your bible very well before trying to debate my religion with me. 

no they are not,unless you are carving out a new law different from the sharia go and read sayyid qtb's milestones and what he says about his trip to america and dressings

I can see that you are just grasping at strays .Could you provide me the hadith that says you must compulsorily cover yourself from head to toe including your eyes.

I want to learn from you.

i dont have a monopoly on biblical knowledge,please prove your assertions by posting the relevant biblical verses same as i have done anytime i raise any allegation concerning islam

i have not come across this in my bible,however because i am a fair and reasonable man,i will give you the benefit of doubt, pls post the verses in the new testament where that is thanks

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

i will ask you directly if that is the justification for gender inequality in islam
so yes or no do women have the mental capacity to be prophets or not?
is it possibl for GOD to use a woman in islam to do his work or not??i await your responce

Do not use question to answer question . I asked, 'was there any female messenger/prophet? If not, where do these women get their inspiration from when they were told to remain silent?

in other words,you are inferring that your own allah does not answer the prayers of your women when they pray?

Are you saying you do not understand simple English Language ? There is a difference between leading in prayers and not answering prayers 

or are you saying that there is an orer of haierachy in your own allah answering prayers first man second male children 3rd wife last female children,

Comprehension problem

imagine what kind of life a female in islam will be living all her life, i dont know what church you are reffering to but as far as i am concerned and as a born again and broken christian,my own girlfriend will only wear a skirt that covers her knee,she will not wear a sleeveless dress and she will cover her head when inside the church,and she knows the man is the head of the house,in spite of that we jointly make decisions we sit side by side and we give each other mutual respect,and lastly she is free and unhibited to fulfill and achieve her full potential without any gender bias

Read the verses please and get in touch.



one of the abrogated verses, the vmedinan verse that abrogated the meccan verse concerning jihad of the sword, quran 2;191

satanic verses where mohammad was venerating pagan gods in mecca,  quran 53;19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division
in continuation and conclusion here is where mohammad acknowledged his folly, quran 17;73, And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend

Na wa. You are one of those that trade this world for hereafter. You try to stop people from seeing the truth but na lie o, truth has come, falsehood has perished

19. Have ye seen Lát. and Ùzza,

20. And another, the third (goddess), Manát?

21. What! for you the male intimacy, and for Him, the female?

22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what the souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! [/b]


Read the last verse (23) for understanding.

Quran 17 v 72-73 is even for you could not see the truth and wants to lead muslims astray:


72. But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.[b]

73. And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend![/b]

true or false??simple

False,who do we pray to when the sun is not up?

Quote from: babs787 on March 18, 2010, 06:23 PM
Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

true or false sire??

False. I asked you question sir. Do not try to play smart.

i asked you a question but you did not answer it, as usual

Where is the question? Should I tag you Coward and an escapist

and what do you call all that i have been giving you since??validation for islam?? 

Allegation without proof

[b]Note, this is still here for you:


Could you explain why blood gushed from the side of a dead man?

Could you explain why he shouted, 'my God why has thou forsaken me" when he knew that he came to die for you?
you want me to address this,when you are yet to conclusiely address a single issue we have been debating about?/what cheek!!!   

Has your friend not provided the answer or you have realised but do not want to accept the truth.

Note; When debating, kindly support it with hadith or verses from Quran as I woud always provide you verses from your book to support my post.

babs787:

@Godson2009
Sorry sir. We do not bow down to the sun and if you have your fact, let me have it and I am also asking you that

who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west
Is not up?

so the sun actually rises then??so out of curiousity do you pray towards the sun looking down or up??

babs787 link=topic=196428.msg5752427#msg5752427 date=1269369040:

I dont even need to interprete the above but you need to first understand the arabic word used for 'struck' and when you are able to, then you will get the clearer picture of it. The Holy Prophet has not struck someone except in battle field

You may read these for further clarification

"Whoever strikes his slave in the face or beats him unjustly, his expiation is to manumit him." Narrated from Ibn `Umar by Muslim in his Sahih.

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

and you think this hollow explanation with some mundane hadiths wash with me??you must be kiddng sire, he advocated for the beating of women and you are ptrobably the first muslim i have ever seen dispute this shows the delusion in which you have approached islam and i am the blind follower
[quote author=babs787 link=topic=196428.msg5752427#msg5752427 date=1269369040]
Really? You may start from Genesis to Malachi and let me have them. Are you referring to story of Adam or the 5 books you blindly claimed was penned down by Moses in which he wrote his obituary and another prophet that you claimed wrote the revelation and might have written his obituary as well? Maybe you are still referring to where God ate with Moses and the rest. I have list of them (you know I was blind like you).

theres no need to i dont want to bother you sire lol,a perusal of your book of confusion will immediately highlight the biblical stories therein with the names changed ibrahim-abraham,isa-isaac, abrahaam and his faith in trying to sacrifice his son which the muslims have hinged on as their sallah celebrations e.t.c
dont worry about any list as long as we are both agreed that christianity was around before mohammad originated his religion of islam and secondly that it takes an original for a copy to emerge

babs787:

I have not seen them and you could do that for please

im sorry i cant help you on that if you cant make the effort to simply check my earlier comments and find them,you are leaning back relaxing on your own chair and u expect me to bust my chops repeating myself and re cycling and looking for the verses i have already posted severally a simple check will reveal if i am lieing or telling the truth

babs787:

Go siddon. Your bible does not teach you to lie . Why not say it is supposed to be 65:4? Know your bible very well before trying to debate my religion with me.

a simple check in your quran for the 65;4 and then corellate it with the specific comment i made will highlight the pertinent facts so why are you ranting without any cause

babs787:

I can see that you are just grasping at strays .Could you provide me the hadith that says you must compulsorily cover yourself from head to toe including your eyes.
I want to learn from you.

i made an assertion and a simple yes or no will suffice.i said the female muslims have to cover themselves and i need a yes or no answer however
quran 24;31 ll answer your questions adequately.

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful

quran 33;59, O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful

babs787:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

while i acknowledge these verses unlike muslims who are still suffering from delusions,,the bible does not simply rest on its oars and the same apostle paul went further to tell christians in ephesians 5;25-end that

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
as you can see,the same apostle paul enoins the man to have the same unconditional love withut equation christ had for the church,for his wife,

babs787:

Do not use question to answer question . I asked, 'was there any female messenger/prophet? If not, where do these women get their inspiration from when they were told to remain silent?

im struggling to see how you have brought me this far out as a digression from my opriginal question,what started all this rigmarole is simply because you have refused to acknowledge that there is gender inequality in islam,i said women were not permitted to stand in front f the men to preach and you tried to justify it by asking me if there were female prophets in the bible even though the likes of esther saved the whole generation of his people from certain death and he bible acknowledged it,however in order to highlight your ignorance of the bible which you gleefully claim to know about here are female prophets in the bible,

exodus 15;20, prophetess miriam, 20 Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.

prophetess deborah, judges 4;4-5, 4 Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [a] Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided.

prophetess huldah, 2nd kings 22;14, 14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Acbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.
for clarification ,
2nd kings 34;22, Hilkiah and those the king had sent with him [b] went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tokhath, [c] the son of Hasrah, [d] keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.

new testament,
luke 2;36
prophetess anna, There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage

prophetess noadiah, nehemiah 6;14b, remember also the prophetess Noadiah and the rest of the prophets who have been trying to intimidate me.

babs787:

Are you saying you do not understand simple English Language ? There is a difference between leading in prayers and not answering prayers

hmmn,i see, for the benefit of those of us who dont have a simple comprehension of english could you give us the reasons why women were not complete or qualified enoughto lead the men in prayers if they have been gifted in islamic/quranic knowledge?thanks lol that is why i came to the conclusion that the only reason i wouldnt allow anyone to lead me in prayers is if my prayers wont be answered or their prayers over me wont be answered, waiting,

babs787:

Comprehension problem

i hear u,but still waiting,

babs787:

Read the verses please and get in touch.

i have read the verses,and i also read the verses of the quran where the woman or female's are treated as being less than the men example,
quran 2;23, Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
in other words,your wives are like an article or a property to you,so while slave trade has ended several hundred years ago,women in islam are still under a perpetual slave ownersip basis,

babs787:

one of the abrogated verses, the vmedinan verse that abrogated the meccan verse concerning jihad of the sword, quran 2;191

your point being

babs787:

Na wa. You are one of those that trade this world for hereafter. You try to stop people from seeing the truth but na lie o, truth has come, falsehood has perished

19. Have ye seen Lát. and Ùzza,

20. And another, the third (goddess), Manát?

21. What! for you the male intimacy, and for Him, the female?

22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what the souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! [/b]


Read the last verse (23) for understanding.

Quran 17 v 72-73 is even for you could not see the truth and wants to lead muslims astray:


72. But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.[b]

73. And their purpose was to tempt thee away from that which We had revealed unto thee, to substitute in our name something quite different; (in that case), behold! they would certainly have made thee (their) friend![b][/b]

i dont know who you think you are trying to rabble dazzle with this epistle which frankly is a whole load of ramblings, i didnt know you could even justify what mohammad himself acknowledged as the devil trying to tempt him one thing i will say for you is that i am impressed and i am sure you would probably have done a better job given the chance mohammad had, shows that even you his followers are more intelligent than he was

babs787:

False,who do we pray to when the sun is not up?

im tired of this childish tit for tat, simply answer my question do you pray looking downwards or upwards or sidewayssimple!!!

babs787:

False. I asked you question sir. Do not try to play smart.

yes you did ask me a question, in order to escape from what is turning out to an embarassing admission for you i though you were ready to answer all the questions thrown at you ?i argued that you muslims worsjhipped or venerated the sun and amongst several reasons i said you bowed down to the sun when praying,you came up with some unclear euation of how the sun rises whioch has cotradicted your pont already. now i am asking you again if you pray looking up or down, i am expecting you to look straight down seeing as you said the sun doesnt "rise"

babs787:

i asked you a question but you did not answer it, as usual

no sire,that is totally false your questins ddoesnt even task me mentally,not because of my intelligence but because christianity and the bible has made it easy for us to defend and justify everything contained therein unlike your book of confusion

babs787:

Where is the question? Should I tag you Coward and an escapist


Allegation without proof

allegations without prof??more like delusions and selective amnesia rather than being roundly embarassed more like!!

babs787:

Has your friend not provided the answer or you have realised but do not want to accept the truth.

realised that what exactly??you are raising some points about an unclear contention of jesus christ either dieing or not what has that got to do with my believes?
why dont you tell me how you muslims have reconciled mohammad's vices and moral execesses with his claim of being a prophet then i will answer you promptly??
a prophet who killed,murdered in cold blood,was an armed robber who robbed innocent meccan travellers,idulged in serial hedonism,paedophilia e.t.c

babs787:

Note; When debating, kindly support it with hadith or verses from Quran as I woud always provide you verses from your book to support my post.

i thought i have been doing that already??maybe you have not been reading my replies or just simply wish that i will keep on posting the same hadiths and qurans still you find an over sight or mistake tolatch on , but tha who help you or dig you out of the embarrasing pottage of mess islam and its volent intolerant doctrines have pushed you into
lastly seeing as you have been asking your own questions,pls let me know if it is my turn to ask you my own questions as well about islam,after all we are in the islam for muslim's section.
shalom

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@Babs

Welcome back. I was just yesterday asking of you on another thread. Wish you've been doing great. Alhamdulillah.

@Godslave,

Can you modify your reply so that we can read it easily?

@God son2009

Quote
so the sun actually rises then??so out of curiousity do you pray towards the sun looking down or up??

LMAO

Did you read my question or probably avoiding it:

Sorry sir. We do not bow down to the sun and if you have your fact, let me have it and I am also asking you that

who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west
Is not up?

Could you please provide answers to the above?

and you think this hollow explanation with some mundane hadiths wash with me??you must be kiddng sire, he advocated for the beating of women and you are ptrobably the first muslim i have ever seen dispute this shows the delusion in which you have approached islam and i am the blind follower

He did not and there are several hadiths on that as well. You are not being sincere to yourself. Your problem is lack of arabic knowledge.

theres no need to i dont want to bother you sire lol,a perusal of your book of confusion will immediately highlight the biblical stories therein with the names changed ibrahim-abraham,isa-isaac, abrahaam and his faith in trying to sacrifice his son which the muslims have hinged on as their sallah celebrations e.t.c
dont worry about any list as long as we are both agreed that christianity was around before mohammad originated his religion of islam and secondly that it takes an original for a copy to emerge

You should be bold enough to provide that if you are honest yourself and your religion. Just let me have your claim and you should know that I have not been following your posts, as such did not see where you posted your facts and would appreciate if you could just copy and paste for me to see.

im sorry i cant help you on that if you cant make the effort to simply check my earlier comments and find them,you are leaning back relaxing on your own chair and u expect me to bust my chops repeating myself and re cycling and looking for the verses i have already posted severally a simple check will reveal if i am lieing or telling the truth

Just like what I said up. If you had actually generated what you claimed to have posted from your brain, it would not be too difficult to do a reposte unless you might lifted them from one of your dilusional websites and could not lay hands where you got them.

a simple check in your quran for the 65;4 and then corellate it with the specific comment i made will highlight the pertinent facts so why are you ranting without any cause

This is what I have

4. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who are pregnant, their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make things easy for them.

Any relationship?

i made an assertion and a simple yes or no will suffice.i said the female muslims have to cover themselves and i need a yes or no answer however
quran 24;31 ll answer your questions adequately.

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known; and turn to Allah all of you, O believers! so that you may be successful

quran 33;59, O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful

Calm down. You can never know the Quran more than I do. Dude, you know if we decide to accept what you are grasping at, it means those not covering their eyes are sinners huh. Could you show me where it says it is a sin not to cover the eyes.

When you are able to, I would dig deep into the verses that are giving you nightmare.

while i acknowledge these verses unlike muslims who are still suffering from delusions,,the bible does not simply rest on its oars and the same apostle paul went further to tell christians in ephesians 5;25-end that

WAIT . It seems you have nothing to say to the exposure provided up . You could see that women are not given the authority to preach or stand preaching in the church just as we are having churches where husband and wives deliver sermon.

exodus 15;20, prophetess miriam, 20 Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.

prophetess deborah, judges 4;4-5, 4 Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [a] Israel at that time. 5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided.

prophetess huldah, 2nd kings 22;14, 14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Acbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.
for clarification ,
2nd kings 34;22, Hilkiah and those the king had sent with him went to speak to the prophetess Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tokhath, [c] the son of Hasrah, [d] keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the Second District.

new testament,
luke 2;36
prophetess anna, There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage

prophetess noadiah, nehemiah 6;14b, remember also the prophetess Noadiah and the rest of the prophets who have been trying to intimidate me.

.Na wa o. Who made them prophets? You further exposed the fraud in that book. Where was it written that God sent the above mentioned and if we are going to accept partly your claimec up, dont you think that it contradicted what your Paul said that:


"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[b] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law[/b]. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Do we say Paul lied or that they were not prophetess and that there was no law as said by Paul. It is not even new as we are having prophetess in many so called house of GOD. . RFLMAO .

When you finish deceiving yourself, we would unveil the so called [b]'prophetess' as ordained by God. I still dey kampe

hmmn,i see, for the benefit of those of us who dont have a simple comprehension of english could you give us the reasons why women were not complete or qualified enoughto lead the men in prayers if they have been gifted in islamic/quranic knowledge?thanks lol that is why i came to the conclusion that the only reason i wouldnt allow anyone to lead me in prayers is if my prayers wont be answered or their prayers over me wont be answered, waiting,

Thou shall not lie. This is your post I responded to:

she is not allowed to lead the men in prayers,she is not allowed to sit with the men even her son in the privacy of her own hhome and has o retire to the back of the house e.t.c

So?

i have read the verses,and i also read the verses of the quran where the woman or female's are treated as being less than the men example,
quran 2;23, Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
in other words,your wives are like an article or a property to you,so while slave trade has ended several hundred years ago,women in islam are still under a perpetual slave ownersip basis,

This is what I have in verse 23:

23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. [b][/b]

Na wa o

im tired of this childish bosom for tat, simply answer my question do you pray looking downwards or upwards or sidewayssimple!!!

You would always be tired when you have no response to give to my questions

@Muhsin

Welcome back. I was just yesterday asking of you on another thread. Wish you've been doing great. Alhamdulillah.

Salam brother. I have been very busy moving here and there. Thank you for your brotherly care. It is sweet to be home .Jazakhallah

Can you modify your reply so that we can read it easily?

I tire for the dude .

babs787:

@God son2009
Quote
so the sun actually rises then??so out of curiousity do you pray towards the sun looking down or up??
LMAO
Did you read my question or probably avoiding it:
Could you please provide answers to the above?

i see you are using this as a get out clause,dont worry i understand that is a little hard for a muslim to justify but more of those kinda assertions are still coming why do muslims bow down to a sun?isnt it a strange co incidence thaat the names of one of the three godesses is corelations to the sun?and the other the moon and you muslims worship both and u have the cheek to say sunday is dedicated to sun god

babs787:

He did not and there are several hadiths on that as well. You are not being sincere to yourself. Your problem is lack of arabic knowledge.

lol typical,so what did he say in the arabic 419 version??that the beating means to massage their bodies with a cane i wouldnt be suprised if something has been changed in the quran again,after all people tried to expunge the satanic embarrassing verses lol

babs787:

You should be bold enough to provide that if you are honest yourself and your religion. Just let me have your claim and you should know that I have not been following your posts, as such did not see where you posted your facts and would appreciate if you could just copy and paste for me to see.
Just like what I said up. If you had actually generated what you claimed to have posted from your brain, it would not be too difficult to do a reposte unless you might lifted them from one of your dilusional websites and could not lay hands where you got them.

loool i am simply trying to be like you now,i wont bother myself posting anything untill you begin to address my own questions as well,all you do is ask ask,and never answer too bad if you think i cant lay my hands on the facts i have posted,but i will repeat again,i have less than 5000 postings so a quick wizz through will confirm or not

babs787:

This is what I have

4. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who are pregnant, their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make things easy for them.

Any relationship?

to know if theres any relationship i.e of the quranic verse to what i answered to,you can simply go back and look at the specific comment i replied to,dont be lazy sire it wont take more than some secs i have said that i will not do all the work for u again

babs787:

Calm down. You can never know the Quran more than I do. Dude, you know if we decide to accept what you are grasping at, it means those not covering their eyes are sinners huh. Could you show me where it says it is a sin not to cover the eyes.

When you are able to, I would dig deep into the verses that are giving you nightmare.

synchroooooo,synchro system sire,you have used this same synchro system to avoid answering my question up there about muslims worshipping or bowing down to the sun, so you r using the same system now? you asked me to show yu where it was in the quran i showed you,and i even added the hadiths you r now using synchro system to skillfully side step it wont work!!!looooooool

babs787:

WAIT . It seems you have nothing to say to the exposure provided up . You could see that women are not given the authority to preach or stand preaching in the church just as we are having churches where husband and wives deliver sermon.

i thot you said you were once a christian sire?you see what i mean when i say there is a differene between being a "xtian" and being "aa christian" and being" a born again christian" you were a "xtian" it was apostle paul's personal views concerning the relationship of a man and woman,show me where jesus christ said the same thing i challenge you when apostle paul said that he will preffer men not to marry,was he saying that as a command or his own views?

babs787:

.Na wa o. Who made them prophets? You further exposed the fraud in that book. Where was it written that God sent the above mentioned and if we are going to accept partly your claimec up, dont you think that it contradicted what your Paul said that:

loool was it a suprise for youi bet you would not have believed it in a million years that there were female prophets??/that is the power of GOD for you,thank GOD i didnt add these names to the bible loooooool,where was it written that mohammad was a prophet in the same bible that he serially plagiarisedafter all what he kept saying was that the prophets in the bible and the biblical accounts would validate him as a prophet, apostle paul was a servant of GOD,same as pastor adeboye,same as kathryn kulman,same as joh g lake e.t.c HE WAS NOT A GOD1 even though he did wonderous works than the men and woman of GOD i have given instances of and all you have highlighted below !WERE APOSTLE PAUL'S OWN PERSONAL VIEWS" i thought you were once a christian sire,did you ever go to church or read past the first page in that bible??

babs787:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[/b] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law[b]. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Do we say Paul lied or that they were not prophetess and that there was no law as said by Paul. It is not even new as we are having prophetess in many so called house of GOD. . RFLMAO .

no sire,we say that GOD never excluded females from being his servants,as proven by the old testament,show me where GOD said or jesus christ said that women were never to be prophets or work ashis servants,then we r in business lol
unless you are saying that apostle paul is a god,then i will equate his words with that of jesus christ and the almighty GOD

babs787:

When you finish deceiving yourself, we would unveil the so called 'prophetess' as ordained by God. I still dey kampe

and just like obasanjo who still dey kampe,keep on deluding yourself sire,i have shown you the prophetess in the bible like you requested so you are totally free to eat your words and your vomit publicly or apologise fo saying that islam is on the same par with christianity

babs787:

Thou shall not lie. This is your post I responded to:

So?
This is what I have in verse 23:

23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. [b][/b]

Na wa o

quran 2;223 do you enjoy just intentionally muddling things up even when you know what i meant or you simply dont have a clue and you know more about that quran than i do?? shouldnt you be correcting me or you r too ashamed toloooool

babs787:

You would always be tired when you have no response to give to my questions

no sire,i am tired because you simply do not answer any single question

@God son2009

i see you are using this as a get out clause,dont worry i understand that is a little hard for a muslim to justify but more of those kinda assertions are still coming why do muslims bow down to a sun?isnt it a strange co incidence thaat the names of one of the three godesses is corelations to the sun?and the other the moon and you muslims worship both and u have the cheek to say sunday is dedicated to sun god

Quit this game, you would gain nothing . I found that there would be no need exchanging words with you because you are not intelligent and smart enough to debate in a forum like this. I could see that you have been making denials, using a question to answer a question, going in circles as if being blind to the glaring responses.

You ignorantly accused Muslims of worshipping the sun from your post below:

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explain and justify to us the significance of bowing down to the sun before accusing us of worshipping 3 GODS

I responded that:

Let me have it from the Quran or Hadith where we worship sun.

You went again:

you pray towards the sun and bow down true or false?

I replied you that:

False
The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

You went again to post thrash that:

i see you are using this as a get out clause,dont worry i understand that is a little hard for a muslim to justify but more of those kinda assertions are still coming why do muslims bow down to a sun?isnt it a strange co incidence thaat the names of one of the three godesses is corelations to the sun?and the other the moon and you muslims worship both and u have the cheek to say sunday is dedicated to sun god

I have told you that WE DONT WORSHIP THE SUN and if you think we do:


So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

When you are to answer that, I would the rest one at a time and we discuss.

babs787:

@God son2009


Quit this game, you would gain nothing . I found that there would be no need exchanging words with you because you are not intelligent and smart enough to debate in a forum like this. I could see that you have been making denials, using a question to answer a question, going in circles as if being blind to the glaring responses.

You ignorantly accused Muslims of worshipping the sun from your post below:

I responded that:


You went again:

I replied you that:

False
The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

You went again to post thrash that:


I have told you that WE DONT WORSHIP THE SUN and if you think we do:


So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

When you are to answer that, I would the rest one at a time and we discuss.

i am sorry you think you are too superior to me in knowledge to debate with me,as you know i really cant do anything about that after all,GOD gives knowledge so he gave you a higher knowledge that i have.
bearing that in mind why dont you school me and enlighten me?
if i am making ignorant coments,then it is incumbent and a duty upon you as a muslim i.e jihad of the tongue to correct and answer my questions right?
i have raised many allegations concerning gender bias in islam,you refused to answer me.
i raised the important issue of muslims worshipping the sun and the moon you refused to answer me,instead you are burrowing yourelf in a tiny corner in a bid to evade the question, even if the sun raises in the north an sets in the south,that is not the issue the pertinent issues here are
1.the muslims have venerated a mere object into a god
i.e the sun,the moon
how did they do this? apart from bowing down to the sun and pretending they are praying to allah,the translation of the names of the 3 godesses which mohammad mentioned in the quran(satanic verses)means and connects directly to the sun and the moon showing a worryig connection please school me on this mistake which i am sure you can easily explain.

second muslims proudly display the symbol of this sun and moon over ther mosques world wide without pretence
also they use the moon as the only compass of sorts to tell them when to celebrate their festivals,while on its own this might not amount to much proof,the supporting evidence i.e the connection between the name of the godess moon and this cannot be simply over looked.

in adittion,muslims sacrifice ram offerings and spilling of blood to who exactly??and please do not tell me in remembrance of isaac and abrahaam because the story is ours from our bible,and even we dont kill rams anymore

if you are simply expecting me to take your word for the truth,they you are sady mistaken,because i amnot one of the ignorant mujahideens wh dont klnow their left from their right,if you dont know or are incapable of explaining,then i will absolve you "there is no compulsion" lol for you to do so
i have decided like you have to address issues one after the other, pls educate me on this glaring inconsistency in islam,then we will talk about the justifications for gender,inequality and then my favourite delicacy justification for islamic terrorism and so on there is a lot i am ignorant about and i need you to educate me sire

@godSON2009: Allah says about the Sun; it rises and sets, and it is a means of measuring time, etc, Allah says of the Moon it is a mens of measuring the month, etc.

There i sno place in the Quran that says Muslims should face te Sun, or the east when to pray, but o face the Quiblah (Ka'aba). Ka'aba is Quiblah of muslims, unless you can proof otherwise. I see your problem though; you are a Nigerian and everything you know about Islam is based on Nigeria. You now live in London, though West to Makka, but in higher latitude to Makka that what Lagos is to Makka. Do the Muslims in London face the east exactly as the Lagosians do, or is it sme degrees southeast, whie lagos is direct east? Ilive in the US; the praye direction is easterly, but NYC is angled southward east diffferent from the more northern city of Provdence Rhode Island, or Boston in Mssachussetts, or the the more souternly Miami Florid or Los Angeles California.

People in Brisbane Austrailia are not facing their own east, but their own west to face Kaaba. The makkans face Kaaba all around; east, west, north, south and every directional points in the middle. And when you are inside the cubicle, you can face any of the walls.


And please read the Bible about gender differences, starting from Eve. The woman that Adam blamed God for creating, the woman who caused him to eat the "fruit" (i intentionally leave apple out of it, because I do not know if you are one of those who say it is is not apple. There is no verse in the Bible that elevate women but many curse them.

even though you say you are not alhaji mujiheed oabowale,myinstincts are never wrong and they tell me you are

nopuqeater:

@godSON2009: Allah says about the Sun; it rises and sets, and it is a means of measuring time, etc, Allah says of the Moon it is a mens of measuring the month, etc.

alhaji olabowale,now tell me in the age of scientific breakthroughs how come you gys are still using the primitive methods in the age of satellites being launched into space which can tell the time of the sallah and others more accurately if not that you have deified the moon? while it performed the functions you have highlighted in the old days,certainly not now

nopuqeater:

There i sno place in the Quran that says Muslims should face te Sun, or the east when to pray, but o face the Quiblah (Ka'aba). Ka'aba is Quiblah of muslims, unless you can proof otherwise. I see your problem though; you are a Nigerian and everything you know about Islam is based on Nigeria. You now live in London, though West to Makka, but in higher latitude to Makka that what Lagos is to Makka. Do the Muslims in London face the east exactly as the Lagosians do, or is it sme degrees southeast, whie lagos is direct east? Ilive in the US; the praye direction is easterly, but NYC is angled southward east diffferent from the more northern city of Provdence Rhode Island, or Boston in Mssachussetts, or the the more souternly Miami Florid or Los Angeles California.

People in Brisbane Austrailia are not facing their own east, but their own west to face Kaaba. The makkans face Kaaba all around; east, west, north, south and every directional points in the middle. And when you are inside the cubicle, you can face any of the walls.

alhaji olabowale,while i honestly appreciate the concise and indepht explanations ,i am not dealing in semantics here, irrespective of where kaabah is,the fact of the matter which you have indirectly admitted here unlike babs 747 is that you face the direction of whereever kaaba is which is a graven image and "pray towards it" bowing down your head,kneeling as far as i am oncerned that is worshipping.if i see you and rather than extend a handshake i bow down ,prostrate and bow down again on a regular,then i am treating you as my god rather than a mere mortal

nopuqeater:

And please read the Bible about gender differences, starting from Eve. The woman that Adam blamed God for creating, the woman who caused him to eat the "fruit" (i intentionally leave apple out of it, because I do not know if you are one of those who say it is is not apple. There is no verse in the Bible that elevate women but many curse them.

first your brother babs denies the existence of female prophets in the bible,and when i showed him several he started using his mouth to dance awilo to the side,now you have brought your own againthe way women should be treated has been summed up by apostle paul in the new testament where husbands are enjoined to treat women as christ treated the church which is with unconditional love,this is alo why we are enjoined to marry only one woman and there must be no divrce under any circumstances, imagine if everybody obeyed the biblical injunctions the number of children who would have a better life,less armed robbrs criminals e.t.c however if u want verses in the bibe i will avail u of them.
if you dont want your islamic religion to die off,then the gender inequality and the barbaric way you treat women should be orted,for every uplawal that converts from christianity to islam,even though she was never a proper christian tyo start with ten more young ladies are converting from islam to christian pentecostal churches, all your islamic youths male and female are cell leaders in christ embassy,all the adults are members of winners and redeeed

@godSON2009: « #61 on: Today at 08:28:17 PM »

even though you say you are not alhaji mujiheed oabowale,myinstincts are never wrong and they tell me you are

If you have good instinct, you should have known that 3 is not 1, except that each of the 3 is a fractionof that whole, incompete, but when added together, they make a single whole which is 1. Is that what the methodology of a true God? If your answer is no, then know that you are wrong in two places; assuming that each of your so called Gods is a true God. And that am not myself. Whats wrong with human being, such as yourself is that it is the lies that attracts your senses, but then ou ignore the obvious truth.


[Quote]alhaji olabowale,now tell me in the age of scientific breakthroughs how come you gys are still using the primitive methods in the age of satellites being launched into space which can tell the time of the sallah and others more accurately if not that you have deified the moon? while it performed the functions you have highlighted in the old days,certainly not now[/quote]your ignorance is appaulling. here is no satellite launched in space, except that it orientates itself directy feeding from Kaaba, it will not function. And in many parts of the world, bsed on the season vis a vis the daylight, from dawn to dusk, the prayer time is calibrated. You said you live in London, why dont you verify the winter schedule versus the summer schedule. You can google it to find that of London's november and june for comparison, before you sound a if the head is empty. neither the moon nor the sun truly has anything to do with prayer time, and my proof is that even in either of th eclipses, moon or sun, prayers are still prescribed for each day; they are the five sallah.
Go find your Olabowale, somewhere else because am not it. And this is my last statement on the matter.


[Quote]alhaji olabowale,while i honestly appreciate the concise and indepht explanations ,i am not dealing in semantics here, irrespective of where kaabah is,the fact of the matter which you have indirectly admitted here unlike babs 747 is that you face the direction of whereever kaaba is which is a graven image and "pray towards it" bowing down your head,kneeling as far as i am oncerned that is worshipping.if i see you and rather than extend a handshake i bow down ,prostrate and bow down again on a regular,then i am treating you as my god rather than a mere mortal[/quote]It is Allah's command that we adhere to. Your thoughts are very superficial; do the Israelites worship the Wailing wall which is below Masjid Aqsa? Do the christians worship the direction of th Pulpit in the Church? Yet neither of the two of you is commanded to do what you do, except your own desire. Finally, when Jacob, and his whole family bow to Joseph in Egypt, we they and you all idol worshippers, jacob and his family worshipping Joseph, you worshippng the pulpit and the jews the wailing wall?


[Quote ]first your brother babs denies the existence of female prophets in the bible,and when i showed him several he started using his mouth to dance awilo to the side,

[/quote]can one rely on the whole Bible, when you kow corruption is mixed with what can be taking in summation as truth?
women are emotional, and prophetic office is gruelling. what happens to her when she is having menstrual pains, or when she is in labor since the Bible says she wa cursed or when the baby is crying and needed to suckle her, yet God needed her? You can now se how lame your argument is.

now you have brought your own againthe way women should be treated has been summed up by apostle paul in the new testament[/uote]Paul you said? He took over from Jesus, the unmarried man of God. Yet we find paul to be unmarried too, the man of Jesus. Who should be the last word here, except that you people already chose to follow your idolatry minds, taking Human for God and a non eye witness of a prophet to supersede the satement of eventhe prophet.


[quote]where husbands are enjoined to treat women as christ treated the church

First Jesus had nothing to do with church, but if you say temple, I would probably buy it. And you forgot that husband is the crown on th head of the woman. Wifei not to have head uncover and that women's voice must be unheard. If you call any of these sign of equality, it is actually an indication tht you have a disease n your head.

which is with unconditional love,this is alo why we are enjoined to marry only one woman

With this alone, paul already abolished the way of the old prophets; Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, just to name a few.

and there must be no divrce under any circumstances,

even in grave condition of wat the modern christians call "irreconcileable difference?" The illusion of ignorance; what the devil does create is seemingly right to the lost.

imagine if everybody obeyed the biblical injunctions the number of children who would have a better life,less armed robbrs criminals e.t.c however if u want verses in the bibe i will avail u of them.
if you dont want your islamic religion to die off,then the gender inequality and the barbaric way you treat women should be orted,for every uplawal that converts from christianity to islam,even though she was never a proper christian tyo start with ten more young ladies are converting from islam to christian pentecostal churches, all your islamic youths male and female are cell leaders in christ embassy,all the adults are members of winners and redeeed

your opinion about cnvertion to Christianity is mainly in Africa. And we know how africans view material issue of White people. Its a fad, dude. borne out of wanting to be part of a worldly winningteam. Who has a good mind will acept three to be one, worshipping a human being. You need to get an english Quran and read that God called women mates of their husbands, right from the gate. There is no place that God put down women, and elevaed men instead. You must know that on the average, men are stronger in strength and moreof the breadwinners. Even in your christian homes, this is always the case.Yet you refuse to accept the religion that you naturally follow its way, except that you refuse to worship Allah.

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