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Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by RedHotChic(f): 10:49pm On Nov 22, 2008
Gamine:

Live lolly pop, EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW embarassed lipsrsealed

I wasnt Hawking anything cheesy

i said i WORKED
grin
Worked as what? An informant for the activities of the house maid when mummy is not around? tongue
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by tumfulu1: 12:17am On Nov 23, 2008
these same pple wil buy gala in traffic.
Shout untop nairaland,hypocrites.
Gala yes?
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 12:29am On Nov 23, 2008
why have kids you can't provide for. the parents should bear the blame. these kids didn't force themselves on you
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 12:33am On Nov 23, 2008
I actually witnessed an incident like yours at the back of my friend's office in Opebi last year; we caught it on camera. The young security man cornered this Agege bread girl and grind the hell out of the girl as if Jesus was going to come that afternoon. It was fun watching the show.
Good thing was that the girl seemed to be above 20.

esin babe grin grin
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Ladytemi(f): 2:52am On Nov 23, 2008
Gamine, there's nothing wrong with people working but young children working instead of gaining an education is not acceptable. Making young children carry weights that are much heavier than their body weight is just a form of child abuse.

Hopefully this marks a new trend where the interest of children are considered.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by olat2k(m): 2:55am On Nov 23, 2008
Am really amazed how some people think wot on earth could justify sending children out to hawk.
The excuse they contribute to the family income is unfounded.How many of this children grow up to be productive to the society.Let parents provide for the children not the other way round.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by DoubleN(m): 3:54am On Nov 23, 2008
if all was well,will these children be hawking at all?
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 3:59am On Nov 23, 2008


Are you going to provide those children with alternative means of making money to sponsor their education?
I'm not arguing, I'm just alluding to the law of conservation of income.
If money is no longer coming in from hawking, it must come from somewhere else.
Let me put it this way: banning Garri will not lead to a balanced diet unless free meat is provided.

good question!
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 4:01am On Nov 23, 2008
since when was it the responsibility of a child to sponsor their education. next thing, a child should be pay for his/her vaccination. na by force make you born a football team?
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 4:02am On Nov 23, 2008
Double N:

if all was well,will these children be hawking at all?

if all is well, these people would buy a gold circle condom
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 4:12am On Nov 23, 2008
bawomolo:

since when was it the responsibility of a child to sponsor their education.
It has never been the responsibility of a child BUT you and I know really well that a lot of kids in the region are made to bear that responsibility and more. There are many children out there who are responsibility for the welfare of their siblings even; children with irresponsible parents and children with ailing parents to support. So these cases do not exist on a huge scale is pretending not to know what life for a large number of people in Nigeria is. I went to school with some of the kid hawkers. I remember one particular one who had to hawk in the mornings at the bus stop to feed her siblings.

bawomolo:

next thing, a child should be pay for his/her vaccination. na by force make you born a football team?
No be by force to born football team but unfortunately we never had laws in place to limit the number of kids people in Nigeria could have, so we have to deal with what we have now and not what we could have had. Many of these kids live in abject poverty, and thinking this is all about child abuse is refusing to acknowledge reality. If Hawking is child abuse, apparently the governor only wants it restricted to after school hours. So I don't get this.


bawomolo:

if all is well, these people would buy a gold circle condom

How many years have condoms been in circulation in Nigeria? Has the number of AIDS infections been drastically reduced since then? Why expect these people to buy gold circle condoms because the state banned child hawking ?? You be naija sef?? Roflmao!!
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Nobody: 4:19am On Nov 23, 2008
Long before condoms I heard about mandatory family planning on TV, radio etc in Nigeria, so these parents can't they couldn't do anything about the number of unplanned kids they have.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 4:28am On Nov 23, 2008
It has never been the responsibility of a child BUT you and I know really well that a lot of kids in the region are made to bear that responsibility and more.

you are right, there are lots of kid in the region facing such difficulties especially in sub-saharran africa.  the population is booming but productivity isn't increasing fast enough to meet this population group.   the question is why have all these kids you can't take care of. 

I remember one particular one who had to hawk in the mornings at the bus stop to feed her siblings.

children shouldn't be exposed to such dangers. anything can happen at a crowded bus stop.


How many years have condoms been in circulation in Nigeria? Has the number of AIDS infections been drastically reduced since then?

the HIV/AIDS infection rate of nigeria would be like those of southern african countries if not for condoms but that's not what's been discussed. family planning has existed in nigeria for at least a decade.  is a blatant lie if an urbanized nigerian claims not to know what a condom or birthcontrol pill is.  don't have kids you can't provide for. i understand there are catholics and a few religious zealots who are against birth control
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 4:34am On Nov 23, 2008
I saw a documentary on slavery in africa. One of the men featured was an old man with 11 wives and over 24 children. He would sell his kids at the age of 4 into slavery so he could get a couple of dollars come in to feed his family every month. An anti-slavery organization made the mistake of buying back 2 of his kids they were able to find, to him. The man turned around and sold them to another slave master. We have people out there who are inhuman and so to proceed, we can not just think that doing this will make them start thinking straight.

If I had my way, I would have had the man killed off and his wives with him for allowing such nonsense to continue. The reality is we can not necessarily make the adults do the right ( make parents assume responsibility for the well being of their kids) thing with this, but taking away the little they have with no replacement is not in the good of the kids either. It would be great if some sort of package is made available to help those who will be affected in a huge way by this ban.

Catholics and Religious zealots can be against birth control, sure. I happen to be somewhat against birth control and that has meant making decisions to ensure I do not have unwanted kids or kids I can not fend for. Even the Bible makes it clear that parents ought to be able to fend for their kids and a man that does not work, ought not to eat. He is a shame and more. This is not about Religious zealots or the sort, so there is no need to blame this one on religion. Infact, it has never been religions fault in the case of the catholics and christians, and if memory serves, the quran does limit a man to having kids and wives he can actually take care of.

So Family planning is not only a decade old, and there is no excuse for anyone, planned parenthood or not. We just live in a continent with people who whose reasoning level is beyond belief.

People know of family planning and all the other ideas out there but we see that all that does not always translate into change as expected.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by savanaha: 4:35am On Nov 23, 2008
good
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by RedHotChic(f): 9:08am On Nov 23, 2008
Long before condoms I heard about mandatory family planning on TV, radio etc in Nigeria, so these parents can't they couldn't do anything about the number of unplanned kids they have.

As long as a good number of Nigerians are uneducated, family planning will still be a far cry because the crux of an illiterates mind is to manufacture children because you don't need a Harvard degree to achieve that and they believe that Children are gifts from God that must be received as long as they keep coming.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 9:17am On Nov 23, 2008
1) Do we all really believe that only the ILLITERATE ones do this? We have many educated Illiterates in that country who commit some of these ills.

2) Do all these people really believe these kids are from God? I beg to differ. In my opinion, we have people down there who think having kids means free labourers. That seems to be what I see when I look at some of these cases. This has little to do with belief in God but more to do with individual perceptions of what role children play in a family and community as a whole.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by RedHotChic(f): 9:24am On Nov 23, 2008
1) Do we all really believe that only the ILLITERATE ones do this? We have many educated Illiterates in that country who commit some of these ills.
85% of them are illiterates and polygamists.




2) Do all these people really believe these kids are from God? I beg to differ. In my opinion, we have people down there who think having kids means free labourers. That seems to be what I see when I look at some of these cases. This has little to do with belief in God but more to do with individual perceptions of what role children play in a family and community as a whole.

It's like you've alienated yourself from Nigeria for so long. The reason above is so obsolete especially in the South because they are scarcely agrarian.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 9:52am On Nov 23, 2008
RedHotChic:

85% of them are illiterates and polygamists.

85% ? Where did that come from? Isn't it common knowledge now that literacy does not necessarily equal smarts? Majority of those I grew up with had educated parents but guess what? even the educated do stupid. It's sort of like saying that only those who have never been educated about AIDS get the disease. We all know that is bull. lol

RedHotChic:

It's like you've alienated yourself from Nigeria for so long. The reason above is so obsolete especially in the South because they are scarcely agrarian.

Are laborers only for plowing of the land? Millions of families live below the poverty like (less than 2 dollars a day) right there in the south. Many of these families have kids, and more cultural than religious reasons for having those kids. We have educated people who still believe in leaving behind at least one male child, and willing to have any number of kids, to ensure that is the case. I remember listening on a conversation my dad had with a friend of his back when I was little. The friend was an ivy league educated man too. He wanted a son and kept trying until he got one on the 7th or so try. The man ended up with 6 daughters and 1 son. He was not thinking of his finances? He was thinking he needed to have a son, no matter what. If an educated man is can be driven by his want for a son in this way, why can't a non-educated man or a man who who does not make enough to handle such a load?
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by MAURI: 1:32pm On Nov 23, 2008
To the people who oppose this measure by the Lagos state govt. It’s always good to oppose and make things discussable, this can only lead to improvements so long it’s done in objectivity with content and substance. I do support this measure, and I am aware that this can lead to temporary income vacuum for some people.
This measure has as part of it’s core goals the protection of the children in question, who in the first place are victims of their parents who have set them in this world and have refused to take up their responsibilities as parents by providing them with the basics they need in the early years of their lives to form them as normal individuals to function properly in the society. Should we continue to double-punish these kids, by allowing their daily nightmare to persist? Because their parents have failed them, should the society and state continue to fail them too?
I am from Nigeria, and I am aware of the cultural and traditional aspect of this issue, in that some parent brings forth kids into this world to cater for them in their old age. Even going by this theory, would it not be better to first provide these kids with good foundation? In any case, to the opponents, the question is considering the mass abuse that these children encounter and the imminent risks they are exposed to daily, some of which are already mentioned, so your position is to do nothing and let things remain the way they are?
To project a clearer picture on the consequencies of this issue, an independent reseach should be conducted on the traumatic impact/effect this issue has on a lot of these children i.e. arm robbery, school drop-outs, prostitution, early/unwanted pregnacies, ritual killings, missing children etc. In short; wasted children, wasted future and the impact of this on our society/country. If we need a change of orientation, which I am sure a lot of people will agree with me we do, the best place to start is with the millions of vulnerable children roaming Nigerian streets.
We are currently experiencing a lot of absurdities in Nigerian, among other reasons due to the fact that a few generations of our youths are lost, and it’s only logical to try and go to the root cause of some of these problems and address it.
Of course any form of change brings with it temporary agros and challenges. On these particular issue, I am of the opinion that the long-term prospects outweights the temporary incovenience that some people might experience, which will eventually lead to a win-win situation for all parties. It’s time we started thinking long term for the sake of the future of our country and future generations.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by sleak(m): 4:50pm On Nov 23, 2008
i believe this is a little step ,however, step in the right direction.these children should positioned to have access to quality education so they can at least av a fighting chance in life.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 5:49pm On Nov 23, 2008
MAURI:

To the people who oppose this measure by the Lagos state govt. It’s always good to oppose and make things discussable, this can only lead to improvements so long it’s done in objectivity with content and substance. I do support this measure, and I am aware that this can lead to temporary income vacuum for some people.

I also support complete banning of child hawking BUT I am more concerned about how we plan to make sure that these people's lives are not thrown in to yet another ditch because of yet another BAN, than I am the number of children I see on the streets between 8am and 2pm each school day.

BAN, BAN, BAN seems to be the Nigerian response to most any issue. We however, fail when it comes to ensuring that those who will be affected the most by these BANS are provided adequate support to help them adjust.

You mention that this can lead to temporary vacuum for some people, and I have to ask you this. How long do you think this vacuum will last in a place like Nigeria where unemployment is at extra high rates? Do you realize that many of these families may never recover from this? Are we willing to accept this new ban just so we can pat ourselves on the back during school hours that there are no child hawkers around? lol


MAURI:

This measure has as part of it’s core goals the protection of the children in question, who in the first place are victims of their parents who have set them in this world and have refused to take up their responsibilities as parents by providing them with the basics they need in the early years of their lives to form them as normal individuals to function properly in the society. Should we continue to double-punish these kids, by allowing their daily nightmare to persist? Because their parents have failed them, should the society and state continue to fail them too?

Sure, some of these kids are victims but society itself has failed the majority. if we are not careful, this may turn out to be another move by society to put yet another wall in their way. Many of the kids you see on the streets do not have parents. Some have an ailing parent or two and some, yes, have parents who send them out to hawk. So we can not decide to put them all in one category and pretend that society is being heroic here. So, to some of these kids, this ban will be society 'double-punishing' some of these kids.

Are we in this case assuming that the reason why these kids do not go to school is because they are out street hawking during those hours? I am not sure that this close to true for even 10% of those affected in that country.

MAURI:

I am from Nigeria, and I am aware of the cultural and traditional aspect of this issue, in that some parent brings forth kids into this world to cater for them in their old age. Even going by this theory, would it not be better to first provide these kids with good foundation? In any case, to the opponents, the question is considering the mass abuse that these children encounter and the imminent risks they are exposed to daily, some of which are already mentioned, so your position is to do nothing and let things remain the way they are?

How does a ban on child hawking during school hours provide these kids with a good foundation? Will banning the one force the kids to go to school or something? I am not sure how the one leads to the other. It could mean these kids try to find stalls from where they can sell their wares or some other way around the law. Is then come back out in the evenings to recoup their losses. Some of these kids might even turn to armed robbery, prostitution not addressed by the ban, to make the money they need. I am going to guess there are many business owners out there who will take advantage of these kids by offering them shop jobs or something during those hours. So I am not exactly sure how this is good foundation for them.

MAURI:

To project a clearer picture on the consequencies of this issue, an independent reseach should be conducted on the traumatic impact/effect this issue has on a lot of these children i.e. arm robbery, school drop-outs, prostitution, early/unwanted pregnacies, ritual killings, missing children etc. In short; wasted children, wasted future and the impact of this on our society/country. If we need a change of orientation, which I am sure a lot of people will agree with me we do, the best place to start is with the millions of vulnerable children roaming Nigerian streets.

Banning hawking during school hours will not in anyway curb the above listed. Sure, we need to address the issue but is another ban really solution to the above listed issues in our society?


MAURI:

We are currently experiencing a lot of absurdities in Nigerian, among other reasons due to the fact that a few generations of our youths are lost, and it’s only logical to try and go to the root cause of some of these problems and address it.
Of course any form of change brings with it temporary agros and challenges. On these particular issue, I am of the opinion that the long-term prospects outweights the temporary incovenience that some people might experience, which will eventually lead to a win-win situation for all parties. It’s time we started thinking long term for the sake of the future of our country and future generations.


What long-term prospects? Care to share? All I see this doing is reducing the number of child hawkers on the streets between the hours of 8am and 2pm ( 1pm on Fridays). That is it. In some eastern states, the education system makes provision for children who have to work during the day and only have time for school at night. I think that system makes more sense than just a ban on child hawking. It will take a miracle for this ban to cause people to go to school.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by MAURI: 6:32pm On Nov 23, 2008
Kobo
Are we in this case assuming that the reason why these kids do not go to school is because they are out street hawking during those hours? I am not sure that this close to true for even 10% of those affected in that country.

Kobo!Kobo!! how many time I call you? You are twisting this discussion in the wrong direction o. We are talking about children/Minors here, so are you saying it's ok that these kids are on the streets? I know Nigeria is yet to attain that level of development to cater adequately for groups as this, but this governor has taken steps to address this issue.  It's then up to us to challenge him and his administration, as follow-up to this measure to suggest or request them to provide alternatives to the groups that this will impact negatively.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Kobojunkie: 6:34pm On Nov 23, 2008
i am sure i made myself clear in my post. you mentioned you wanted objective, here it is. are you going to show that you can be objective yourself?please read and answer intead of turning this into another waste. i wait to read your response.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by gamerod: 6:39pm On Nov 23, 2008
how can people who have not been in the country for ages make any meaningful contribution to any discussion about what goes on in the country? This is very appaling, people stay miles away, years away, some even vowed never to come back, yet they come here to make contributions on happenings at home, I call them muguns.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by mustafar1: 7:31pm On Nov 23, 2008
what about the ones in our homes that work as domestic servants. abi those ones sef no be pikin? while our kids are in school, we make them stay home and do nothing.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by mamazita1(f): 8:28pm On Nov 23, 2008
Street hawking by children is bad! It exposes children to all sorts of vices, imagine how many children hawking pepper, tomatoes bread, pure water etc have been pregnated or raped by motorpark boys, touts etc?. The new law is good, maybe if parents know that they wont have more children than they can cater for.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by RedHotChic(f): 10:33pm On Nov 23, 2008
what about the ones in our homes that work as domestic servants. abi those ones sef no be pikin? while our kids are in school, we make them stay home and do nothing.

Very good question.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by Ndipe(m): 10:42pm On Nov 23, 2008
must_a_far:

what about the ones in our homes that work as domestic servants. abi those ones sef no be pikin? while our kids are in school, we make them stay home and do nothing.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-10441.0.html
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by bawomolo(m): 11:36pm On Nov 23, 2008
most sensible people send their househelps to school these days, albeit public schools.
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by samix(m): 11:50pm On Nov 23, 2008
@ Gamine
There is no problem with working but certainly there is a very BIG BIG problem with children hawking.
Great move Fashola!!!!!!
Re: Lagos Bans Hawking By Children During School Hours by RedHotChic(f): 6:46am On Nov 24, 2008
most sensible [/b]people send their househelps to school these days, albeit public schools.

Not sensible per say but [b]compassionate
housewives. The wicked ones enslave their housemaids although they have too much sense.

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