u see what all his boasting has landed him? this will be a lesson to some others in this forum. meanwhile let me continue reading. i'm really enjoying this. let me switch off everything to concentrate very well. no watching of cable this night. tv and all other electronic appliances switch off. let me get to business. i'm pitching my tent on this thread this night.

striktlymi:


This is unbelievable!!!

You guys move from one rant to another and all that is needed are simply an accusation and the evidence to support it. If you say he is fraudulent, guy prove it na.

Bro, leave these folks

Joagbaje:

MY FULL RESPONSE

Hmmm

That response raises a lot of questions.Lab people in the house will soon analyse it if all this Jeff go here go there, Bayelsa, Owerri, Delta, are all consistent with the procedure for a simple HIV test results
Meanwhile, I can spot a lot of inconsistencies in that response above maybe it was just the way Pastor Agbaje itemized his points. It still didn't extricate the fact of some calculated attempt to misrepresent issues surrounding an unverified miracle


Assuming, Sir John didn't go out to investigate this, it will still stand online as one of miracles in the archives of the Loveworld

And assuming, Mr Jeff was dead by not necessary HIV related illness that is if at all he was ever HIV positive, it will still be archived as a healing simply because the subject is gone and investigations will be impossible

We have to be careful in fetching this type of Glory for God
Then Gombs you are a pathetic Fanatic. Doesn't your conscience prick you for once.

Would put up Jo's whatsapp chat screen grab soon.... as i am using my laptop and not the tab. After that, i would smile, take a deep breath.... and unfollow the thread.

Peace

Gombs:
Would put up Jo's whatsapp chat screen grab soon.... as i am using my laptop and not the tab. After that, i would smile, take a deep breath.... and unfollow the thread.

Peace

Na this kain thing dey make me vex for you

SalC:
Na this kain thing dey make me vex for you

Deal with it.

Which kind thing? My un following threads i dont see any god reason being in? Na by force to dey thread again?

Jo has put up his account, it's all side by side, there is nothing suggesting Jo was a fraud, if you think otherwise, ask SirJohn if he thinks joe had any fraudulent intentions anywhere.

Thanks

King of all Excuses!

There's no need for a fresh test pastor! Pay SirJohn the N500k,you lost the challenge.If you wan dash Jeff another 100k,you are free to do so.

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize . Jeff testifies of being healed of HIV. Actually That's about 2years ago or 3. I asked for his medical records he said he could get it within the week. And I assumed he had. I sought his consent on the testimony being shared online . He consented . I asked for the editing of the video .which was done . And a Clip from from the particular programme which Jeff mentioned. Was presented which actually fit Jeff story and also looked like him to a great extent. Except that the other guy looks very sickly and lean which could also be attributed to the ailment . But to be very sure . The video link was sent to jeff on whatsapp to verify if he watched the video and if he was the one being prayed for And he affirmed , so that clears me of any deliberate manipulation . I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer and Jeff affirmation. My shock came when Jeff's pastor watched the video and said it's not Jeff and he gave the video to Jeff and said Jeff said he's not sure it's him. I gave the development feedback to Sirjohn that they said it's not him. And Sirjohn told me that Jeff had admitted to him before also that he watched the video and that he was the one. Sirjohn even posted the audio of the conversation. And he warned that he doesn't trust Jeff .

On why I was not keen on being the one to present the medical evidence . Firstly Because some people here will claim it's manipulated . I prefer the investigators to talk with the testifier and ask him for proof of his healing . And also because of my previous discussion with Sirjohn. He had ask if I can present any miracle through prayer ,he would travell there to investigate and talk with the Neighbours and relative and medicals . So I left the investigation for Him.

So I gave the challenge. For john to find out if this miracle was staged or a fraud as they claimed. I gave the phone number of the guy with the understanding that he had his papers now. When john told me the guy didn't have them , I called him to ask. He said he is now living in delta. And he is out of job. He didn't even have money to go and get the records. I asked for his account no. I sent 30,000 to him.and later another 10,000. Sirjohn will bear witness that the guy sometimes doesn't pick calls for days . I dealt with john with all transparency . Jeff claimed he got his doctors report from of of the doctors who had been transferred to Owerri. But he said they were robbed on the way and he had to go back and start all over. I agree to still give him even if it's 100,000 . To avoid. Story. Sir John was even warning me . That the brother may be taking me for a ride. While we are still waiting for that . I introduced his pastor to john who knew about the history of his ailment .

Finally I had to get his pastor and his ex Fiancee to go to one of the hospitals to get the record of his first test of HIV positive which was sent to Sirjohn. There were 3 hospitals where he said he had test. They've not been able to get the one for HIV negative. He was to go to owerri again . His pastor finally concluded Jeff should do another test now. And he later called me that Jeff travelled. I've called him and sent message . So I'm waiting for the other reports and feed back. And he finally present them . They should be well Scrutinized for any falsehood. And there need be . Jeff can be compelled to do fresh test. If there's anything else I remember I will re post. That's it for now.

You have started again @bold

Boss13:
Joagbaje you owe N500,000 to SirJohn. Kindly remit the money to him please. You can go on deceiving people, but I am so sure in afterlife your situation will be terrible. I no curse you - it is law of Karma (you sow what you reap), you cannot escape it. We determine our own fate.

I don't think the money should be as important to Sir John as the exposition going on here. How can Nollywood stars and Pastors be competiting for who gives the better stage act. It is more disheartening to know that some big Pastors who have carved a niche for themselves, a brand so to say are part of this fetching glory for God dubiously, at a larger scale


Many years ago an uncle told me times without number that many of these Pastors who were consistently involved in some form of dishonest practices in Christianity will be exposed. He specifically mentioned Oyakhilome and TB Joshua. Then an undergraduate, I was a fan of the former and used to think my uncle was forming over sabi because he could look at those miracles and say can't we have a better thing to watch on this Television

SalC:
You have started again @bold

Fraudsters don't give up. You see how mentally ill Joagbaje is. He is so sure that the person he prayed for was healed and he isn't sure of the person. Joagbaje so who is this supposed person? Abeg Joagbaje you need doctor - I swear

Gombs:


Deal with it.

Which kind thing? My un following threads i dont see any god reason being in? Na by force to dey thread again?

Jo has put up his account, it's all side by side, there is nothing suggesting Jo was a fraud, if you think otherwise, ask SirJohn if he thinks joe had any fraudulent intentions anywhere.

Thanks

You know what am talking about

Boss13:
Joagbaje you are a liar. Now it has turned out to be 2 years since after the miracle. Right from the moment you posted that clip, you, yourself can bear witness that I spotted the incoherence in that video clip. I told you that the guy on the flash back was not the same. I also noticed how the guy (Mr Jeff) was quoting some many hospitals and I watched the expression on your face (that's not part of the script). Can you remember what you said you scumbag, can you? You told us may God curse you if it was false and that our pride is eating us up, you dirty fool. Remember how you shove us off?

Joagbaje, you have never healed anybody your entire life. All you do is stage a show. Now you want to deny your actor. How about the other guy on the video clip - what he healed too? Do you want me to investigate that too? You are lucky your church is in Bayelsa, if it was in Lagos - I will walk up to your sunday service and tell your congregation what a liar and a fraud you are. I shall not come alone.

Joagbaje, healing/miracle is not about laying hands and pushing people. You know nothing about it. You are a fraud and a liar and I shall give you no rest on nairaland till you leave this place.

Take it easy on the expletives, you are being too abusive and it doesn't augur well for a meaningful discussion.

I consider myself as one of Joagbaje's leading antagonists on this forum, yet in this case based on the evidences so far, I am willing to give him some benefit of doubt as it seems he was misled my Jeff's testimony based on the evidence SirJohn as provided us with.

striktlymi:


I know he allowed himself to be deceived for whatever reason but this does not show that he was fraudulent.

Just listen to yourself.

He allowed himself to be deceived ?.

Even if he allowed himself to be deceived(according to you), but he went on to forcefully and passionately market and hawk the deception as true for his benefit, knowing that he had not done his due diligence.
Is that not tantamount to a Fraud on his own part?

the guy should just apologize and pay sirJohn his half a million. he has been caught red handed. he should not put himself into more humiliation. i'm ashamed of him.

PastorKun:


Take it easy on the expletives, you are being too abusive and it doesn't augur well for a meaningful discussion.

I consider myself as one of Joagbaje's leading antagonists on this forum, yet in this case based on the evidences so far, I am willing to give him some benefit of doubt as it seems he was misled my Jeff's testimony based on the evidence SirJohn as provided us with.

I can tell you I am so nice with him here. If I was close to him physically, he won't be finding it funny and I am sorry I would not take it easy on him. I cannot allow him continue to deceive more people on nairaland. I was very calm when he was going around boasting and posting false claims. This is my turn.

For years i have been following the charade of jo agbaje and now the hen is about to lay its egg.

Gombs and stricklymi, ask yourself why would a pastor present fake miracle video to give God glory? Are you guys in support of pious fraud?
So it is right to lie to give glory to God?

As a Joagbaje, a Pastor of a church that scrutinizes finances, tithes, church programs, even staffs and their families etc, would he tell us he did not check that fake video before he put it online? Please save us your fake defences.

SirJohn, what is happening? Joagbaje is still adamant on deceiving himself, please bring out the ARSENALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SalC:
You know what am talking about

i know what you mean!...but, This thread will die faster than it came up... you doubt?

Supposed defence falls flat and FRA Williams and Femi Falana are trying their best to put a defence for a case that has no legs.
After all the mouth made by "pastor" he is now grovelling.

Mr. bravado pastor is no longer offering cash on vegas odds. Meanwhile his integrity is at stake for a bet made on a topic since his supposed defrnce falls flat on its face.


To "pastor's" credit his robust reply was 23 minutes late even though he has not really told us anything new. This pastor was ready to boast on a medical report that is still not available yet he expects us to take him seriously when there is no medical report at this point. After making all the noise, his claims are still unfounded,yet his defence team of Shapiro,Kardashian and Cochran ate still blabbing and slapping themselves on the back and congratulating themselves.

We no be small pikins here. Get a signed copy of his medical report saying he is HIV negative and post it here for us to see. Simple.

Gombs:





i know what you mean!...but, This thread will die faster than it came up... you doubt?

Dont please yourself boy, The candour to fish out fake pastors is burning than ever. You should know this thread will be one of the best threads of the year. Just like the way saTANs say all sorts of things to please their troubling hearts.

Gombs:


Thanks alooooooot jare.. now please just watch them from afar, with a grin.

Without a doubt, you are just an ar5se licking douche bag.

Go hang yourself.

Moronic oaf!

Gombs:





i know what you mean!...but, This thread will die faster than it came up... you doubt?

And trust me, you aint laughing!

diluminati:


Dont please yourself boy, The candour to fish out fake pastors is burning than ever. You should know this thread will be one of the best threads of the year. Just like the way saTANs say all sorts of things to please their troubling hearts.

this is not politics section... i hope you understand that fast

gombs post: i'm back... Candour, i saw your post...why exactly should i apologize to sirjohn?

flourishG:
If u ain't dumb as I suppose u read d reasons stated.

counter attack of life

Gombs:



this is not politics section... i hope you understand that fast

For real, i dont have your time. You can unfollow the thread now and never come back, just like you said.

As we await SirJohn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joagbaje:

MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize . Jeff testifies of being healed of HIV. Actually That's about 2years ago or 3. I asked for his medical records he said he could get it within the week. And I assumed he had. I sought his consent on the testimony being shared online . He consented . I asked for the editing of the video .which was done . And a Clip from from the particular programme which Jeff mentioned. Was presented which actually fit Jeff story and also looked like him to a great extent. Except that the other guy looks very sickly and lean which could also be attributed to the ailment . But to be very sure . The video link was sent to jeff on whatsapp to verify if he watched the video and if he was the one being prayed for And he affirmed , so that clears me of any deliberate manipulation . I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

You sent the video link to Jeff on September 21 and in the chat he said he watched the video. When I called him, he told me the same thing but changed his story when my interrogations became vicious. On October 28th, he claimed in a phone conversation that he has finally watched the video and that he was the same person in the video, he even promised to send me a picture of him wearing the same clothes (I sent you the voice recording)
It was on Sunday you finally admitted that you confirmed he was not the one in the video, it was the same Sunday I noticed that you removed the link from your profile. Jeff then called me on Monday to finally admit that he was not the one in the video, that was strange to me because he never calls me, remember I had to ask you if you asked him to call me.

Now listen Joagbaje, like I've told you before, you have to take responsibility for whatever this video and your lame claims are doing to you now because it was solely your responsibility to ensure this didn't happen

Joagbaje:

Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer and Jeff affirmation. I was not keen on being the one to present the medical evidence . Firstly Because some people here will claim it's manipulated . I prefer the investigators to talk with the testifier and ask him for proof of his healing . And also because of my previous discussion with Sirjohn. He had ask if I can present any miracle through prayer ,he would travell there to investigate and talk with the Neighbours and relative and medicals . So I left the investigation for Him.

So I gave the challenge. For john to find out if this miracle was staged or a fraud as they claimed. I gave the phone number of the guy with the understanding that he had his papers now. When john told me the guy didn't have them , I called him to ask. He said he is now living in delta. And he is out of job. He didn't even have money to go and get the records. I asked for his account no. I sent 30,000 to him.and later another 10,000. Sirjohn will bear witness that the guy sometimes doesn't pick calls for days . I dealt with john with all transparency . Jeff claimed he got his doctors report from of of the doctors who had been transferred to Owerri. But he said they were robbed on the way and he had to go back and start all over. I agree to still give him even if it's 100,000 . To avoid. Story. Sir John was even warning me . That the brother may be taking me for a ride. While we are still waiting for that . I introduced his pastor to john who knew about the history of his ailment .

Joagbaje, I want to repeat that the purpose of this thread is not to ridicule you, you know that with the information I have I could as well paint a picture of you being complicit in this misrepresentation.

You challenged me to prove that the guy was not healed, that is what this is all about not about Joagbaje being a fraud. I have gotten to the point where you cannot deny that he was not healed with the weight of evidence you and I are privy to. So don't try to play smart, just sign my cheque straight away

I did the investigation and the result is what this thread seeks to unravel.
Jeff claimed he got HIV because he didn't pay his firstfruits; he gave a lengthy tale about how his pastor warned him about not giving his firstfruits.
He initially claimed he had the test results and even asked me to send my email to him so that he would send them to me (I sent you this recording as well) Later he claimed the doctor that diagnosed him has been transferred from the hospital, remember I told you it wasn't a problem that as long as he has his files in the hospital he could always get his details (tell me how we finally got the result we have)
You insisted on sending him money to travel, he traveled to Owerri (or so he claimed) yet nothing came out of it, when I asked you to give me update on his trip to Owerri you told me he said he was attacked by robbers and he lost the reports he got Remember I laughed hard and told you he was playing games with you.

When his Pastor came into the picture, things began to sit up, he helped contact Glory Land inri medical centre and Jeffs record was searched, his HIV positive report came out. But Jeff had claimed in the video that he also tested negative in the same hospital (please watch the video again) But the Negative result was no where to be found in the hospital. this proves that he lied about his status.

Joagbaje:

Finally I had to get his pastor and his ex Fiancee to go to one of the hospitals to get the record of his first test of HIV positive which was sent to Sirjohn. There were 3 hospitals where he said he had test. They've not been able to get the one for HIV negative. He was to go to owerri again . His pastor finally concluded Jeff should do another test now. And he later called me that Jeff travelled. I've called him and sent message . So I'm waiting for the other reports and feed back. And he finally present them . They should be well Scrutinized for any falsehood. And there need be . Jeff can be compelled to do fresh test. If there's anything else I remember I will re post. That's it for now.

Joagbaje, we waited for two months for Jeff to produce his report yet he couldn't or should I say wouldn't; It took Mikes intervention for his positive test result in Bayelsa to come out, Jeff lied countless times to me and you although you were worse off because you swallowed his lies hook line and sinker.
I'm amazed you missed out the juicy part of the detail, why didn't you tell them that Jeff was at Mikes place in Bayelsa and he promised he would go to PH to get his negative result. Mike agreed but told him that he would take him for a fresh test in Bayelsa if he is unable to produce the result; what happened next? Jeff absconded from his house and has since not been seen.

I don't know what it would take before you realize that you are being played, quit being a kid and man up to reality JOAGBAJE

diluminati:


And trust me, you aint laughing!

i so am Why should be sad or worried?

nep2ra:

Without a doubt, you are just an ar5se licking douche bag.
Go hang yourself.
Moronic oaf!

diluminati:


For real, i dont have your time. You can unfollow the thread now and never come back, just like you said.

As we await SirJohn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

na you quote me o, not the other way around

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

i will summarize . Jeff testifies of being healed of HIV. Actually That's about 2years ago or 3. I asked for his medical records he said he could get it within the week. And I assumed he had. I sought his consent on the testimony being shared online . He consented . I asked for the editing of the video .which was done . And a Clip from from the particular programme which Jeff mentioned. Was presented which actually fit Jeff story and also looked like him to a great extent. Except that the other guy looks very sickly and lean which could also be attributed to the ailment . But to be very sure . The video link was sent to jeff on whatsapp to verify if he watched the video and if he was the one being prayed for And he affirmed , so that clears me of any deliberate manipulation . I can send the screen shot of the whatsapp conversation to Gombs if he could post it for me. Sir john also saw the chat because I posted the screen shot to him also.That's that about the Video.

Then concerning his healing. Noe Somebody may ask why i didn't insist on seeing the medical report.the answer is simple I know beyond doubt that the person I prayed for in that video was healed . So the issue is was it Jeff?. And Jeff confirmed he was. So I had double assurance . The witness of the spirit in me on the day of prayer and Jeff affirmation. My shock came when Jeff's pastor watched the video and said it's not Jeff and he gave the video to Jeff and said Jeff said he's not sure it's him. I gave the development feedback to Sirjohn that they said it's not him. And Sirjohn told me that Jeff had admitted to him before also that he watched the video and that he was the one. Sirjohn even posted the audio of the conversation. And he warned that he doesn't trust Jeff .

On why I was not keen on being the one to present the medical evidence . Firstly Because some people here will claim it's manipulated . I prefer the investigators to talk with the testifier and ask him for proof of his healing . And also because of my previous discussion with Sirjohn. He had ask if I can present any miracle through prayer ,he would travell there to investigate and talk with the Neighbours and relative and medicals . So I left the investigation for Him.

So I gave the challenge. For john to find out if this miracle was staged or a fraud as they claimed. I gave the phone number of the guy with the understanding that he had his papers now. When john told me the guy didn't have them , I called him to ask. He said he is now living in delta. And he is out of job. He didn't even have money to go and get the records. I asked for his account no. I sent 30,000 to him.and later another 10,000. Sirjohn will bear witness that the guy sometimes doesn't pick calls for days . I dealt with john with all transparency . Jeff claimed he got his doctors report from of of the doctors who had been transferred to Owerri. But he said they were robbed on the way and he had to go back and start all over. I agree to still give him even if it's 100,000 . To avoid. Story. Sir John was even warning me . That the brother may be taking me for a ride. While we are still waiting for that . I introduced his pastor to john who knew about the history of his ailment .

Finally I had to get his pastor and his ex Fiancee to go to one of the hospitals to get the record of his first test of HIV positive which was sent to Sirjohn. There were 3 hospitals where he said he had test. They've not been able to get the one for HIV negative. He was to go to owerri again . His pastor finally concluded Jeff should do another test now. And he later called me that Jeff travelled. I've called him and sent message . So I'm waiting for the other reports and feed back. And he finally present them . They should be well Scrutinized for any falsehood. And there need be . Jeff can be compelled to do fresh test. If there's anything else I remember I will re post. That's it for now.

Let me ask you.
If based ,for example, on the video and the threads of you boasting of curing Jeff's HIV status through prayer, some female admirers of Jeff or whom Jeff had been practicing safe sex with, had then decided to have sex with Jeff unprotected, and thereby contracting HIV, do you Joagbaje take responsibility that you sir, have been a serious public hazard may have jeopardized the lives of many many people over that last 3 yrs of this incident?

You know I have called you a public health hazard many many times.

Do you sincerely agree and wish to make a public apology for the unknown lives you might have ruined?

Gombs:





i know what you mean!...but, This thread will die faster than it came up... you doubt?

GOMBs this thread is not gonna die.


It will be ONLINE for so long a time may possibly outlive Loveworlds should they continue with staged miracles to fetch God glory and fetch more fame for themselves. The very thing that puts Christianity ti disrepute

Victims then will come here to see they were fore-warned years ago and as such they will have some consolation

This is how miracles are staged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8vhmb_bX1E

sir john is here.
watch him punch holes in that air bag defence.

SirJohn:


You sent the video link to Jeff on september 21 and in the chat he said he watched the video. When I called him, he said told me the same thing but changed his story when my interrogations became vicious. On October 28th, he claimed in a phone conversation that he has finally watched the video and that he was the same person in the video, he even promised to send me a picture of him wearing the same clothes (I sent you the voice recording)
It was on Sunday you finally admitted that you confirmed he was not the one in the video, it was the same Sunday I noticed that you removed the link from your profile. Jeff then called me on Monday to finally admit that he was not the one in the video, that was strange to me because he never calls me, remember I had to ask you if you asked him to call me.

i have some questions and some catching up here. is it that Joagbaje and Jeff were confident that it was Jef throughout the video? Then later the same Joagbaje and Jeff denied that Jeff was never in the video? Its surprising, since a Pastor that brings church materials to the viewership of millions would have scrutinized the video in and out before releasing it to the public. or did Joagbaje know about the deceit but decided to lie to give God glory?