musKeeto:
Hhaahaaa. I thought sin was of the flesh. so spirits can sin too?

sonOfLucifer:

So why are you on this thread?

Gombs:


You are so wrong.... blood was shed for forgiveness of sins... Goats, bulls etc

“The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” (Heb. 9:22, NIV).

Gombs:


He did... it went so because He's given us all free will... even the devil. The devil deceived Eve, got the adamic authority, and ruled man in a terrible way, destroyed every beautiful thing God did... and God made a prophecy, that the seed of the woman would bruise the devil's head... Jesus was that seed.

asala1:


I said the OT bible. Even before Chirst died he instructed us to forgive unconditionally. He didn't say our enemies must seek forgiveness before we forgive them.

chinnyonwu:

he forsaw the deceit of eve by the devil even right from creation, and went ahead and created eve and gave her d "free will" knowin fully well that she would fall for the devils tricks and the world would eventually degrade to the level it is now wit billions of souls on the path of hell?
That God doesn't sound very reasonable to me.

johnw74:
One reason why satan may not be forgiven is because he inspired pharasees to say that Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan.
Saying that, is the unforgivable sin and satan is just as guilty as the pharasees for having inspired them to say it.

All the miracles Jesus performed were good, and good people would know that the Holy Spirit is the power behind them.
The pharasees calling Jesus's good miracles being from satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the sin never to be forgiven.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

We mean, why wasn’t he forgiven when he rebelled and subsequently cast down?
satan can inspire us to sin:
Act 5:3 .....why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost.....

Bidam:
My question is Esau as a man sought repentance with tears.why did God not forgive him?

johnw74:
One reason why satan may not be forgiven is because he inspired pharasees to say that Jesus performed miracles by the power of satan.
Saying that, is the unforgivable sin and satan is just as guilty as the pharasees for having inspired them to say it.

All the miracles Jesus performed were good, and good people would know that the Holy Spirit is the power behind them.
The pharasees calling Jesus's good miracles being from satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the sin never to be forgiven.

Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


satan can inspire us to sin:
Act 5:3 .....why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost.....

Image123:


I think it was the birthright he sought. While God may forgive and save eternally, some things have consequences.

Bidam:
Yeah some things do have consequences and yet i kept wondering why God will disinherit esau's blessings which was his by birthright. Is it that esau made the mistake because he was hungry? Or God knew before they were born that esau will turn out the way he did.Even before they were born God already put the sentence on Esau( Romans 9:13) why is that so?

Gombs:


My friend, God knows us before we were born, and I think innthe case of Esau, he was profane, and never regarded spiritual things, even though he was closest to Isaac (because of his meals though, nothing spiritual). Jacob on the other hand was mummy's boy, and his name was another wahala on its own.

God surely forgave Esau, and blessed him. But the consequence of his action cost him the line where the Messiah was to come. Was it God's will? No. God saw it, he told Rebecca, who may have told Isaac, what did Isaac do about it? Assuming she didn't tell Isaac, and she knew the importance of birthright, she must then have taught Jacob, who used that as a bait on Esau, Esau sold out...Isaac being controlled by his sense (he asked Esau to go prepare him a meal, so that his soul may bless him, he actually loved Esau more because of the meat Esau brought was delicious).

Rebecca heard, knowing Esau has sold his birthright, she connived with Jacob to deceive Isaac. I think, God saw this, Rebecca groomed Jacob for it.... Isaac on the other hand loved his son for the meal he brought, and probably didn't groom the young man in spiritual things.

Bidam:
In other words it was the fault of isaac and rebecca that made esau turned out the way he did. I don't think i agree with your interpration here because jacob was also bad. It is not in terms of "works" but by election. God says he loved jacob and hated esau even before these guys were born and knew good from bad.It is always about God's choice not man.

Gombs:


man is a spirit. he has a soul and lives in a body.

9inches:
I never heard satan asked for forgiveness... He has pride

ayoku777:


Election is a very delicate matter honestly.

When and how God chooses to play or not to play his sovereignty card is as soveregn as the sovereignty itself.

There are some things in God's masterplan that we just have no power over.

While there are things He has given us the ability to determine the outcome.

Do you know I even discovered that our freewill is a gift of God's sovereignty. God in His sovereignty gave man a freewill. We didn't ask for it.

And there are things in His masterplan that our freewill has no control over.

We only need to realise that He is a good God and He loves us, and we can trust His plan on things we can't change or control.

And make the most positive use of the things He has given us the power to control.

sonOfLucifer:
Yahweh doesnt have the power to forgive Satan. HE has no jurisdiction over the affairs of Satan. Yahweh is like a spoilt kid that got too attached to his toys. He is a bully and a spoilt brat.
Humanity owes its salvation to Lucifer who shone light upon our darkened hearts. TODAY, OPEN YOUR HEART TO HIM. OPEN YOUR HEART TO KNOWLEDGE. KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOD. YOU CAN CREATE AND DESTROY. USE THE POWER WITHIN.

sonOfLucifer BETTER GET RIGHT WITH JESUS NOW.

IF lUCIFER COULD NOT DEFEND HIMSELF, HOW CAN HE SAVE YOU FROM SINS

wordcat:


Did Satan write any book to say his own side of story?

Even in Yahweh's own book-the Bible, Yahweh killed more people than Satan, Yahweh made more mistakes than Satan, so how are u so sure that Yahweh is not the bad guy who chased Satan away from his kingdom?

Bidam:
In other words it was the fault of isaac and rebecca that made esau turned out the way he did. I don't think i agree with your interpration here because jacob was also bad. It is not in terms of "works" but by election. God says he loved jacob and hated esau even before these guys were born and knew good from bad.It is always about God's choice not man.

musKeeto:

For once in your life be honest. Dont toe Joagbaje's path by answering questions no one asked.

Gal 5.17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

9inches:


Yahweh wrote the bible? Really?
Satan is still alive, so let him give his own account.

9inches:


Yahweh wrote the bible? Really?
Satan is still alive, so let him give his own account.

sonOfLucifer:

Eve was not deceived. The light of knowledge attracted her. Light naturally draws us. Humans will always continue to seek light. We will prevail and there is nothing your God can do to stop us. A large portion of humanity will be in hell. YOUR GOD LOSES AT THE END. AS ALWAYS.

vooks:
Loser,
Do you love hearing your own confusion or what?
Let me share with you the end game

Revelation 20:10 (KJV)
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The only thing your father wins is eternal damnation

Bidam:
Yeah some things do have consequences and yet i kept wondering why God will disinherit esau's blessings which was his by birthright. Is it that esau made the mistake because he was hungry? Or God knew before they were born that esau will turn out the way he did.Even before they were born God already put the sentence on Esau( Romans 9:13) why is that so?

Image123:


That's one of the not so easy questions, i would only share my thoughts/opinions . There are differences in its understanding and that is permitted. It's teaching is not saving faith or something required for us to be saved or whatever. i was trying to explain something similar to italo about holding differing positions/understandings. Again, my THOUGHTS are that Esau made a mistake AND God knew before they were born. i think it is so because God is omniscient. Being omniscient doesn't exactly mean that He did it, but that He knew it. i think its like a pregnant woman going to the doctor and the doctor knows the gender of the baby, time of delivery, health of the baby etc. It's a projection of knowledge that was not feasible about two centuries ago. The doctor knows but is not necessarily the cause. Also, things can change in between, like there may be premature delivery or death or some other thing caused by other factors. i think that is the way God sees us, though in a more advanced way. He can project as it were, but of course there needs to be a conception before a projection as it were. He probably has various simulations from the sperm cells and eggs, the millions of scenarios into the future, and then zoomed in into the lucky sperm. i'll call it an omniscient permission, not a sentence.

sonOfLucifer:

You will be with me in hell. That I can assure you.