havennie:


Madam, pls Nowenuse is very correct in a way because i have an Ilorin friend whom we schooled together, this girl had a hausa name, islamic name and a yoruba name, and i'd ask her, ''which tribe are u?'', but she will tell me she is Ilorin by tribe, and i'll be like ''is Ilorin a tribe or a city'' and she would be confused, sometimes she will say she is yoruba but her mother is partly fulani.....so what about your hausa name? and she will say her grandfather is hausa.
Even me sef get confused? how can ur grandfather be Hausa as u say but u now u say u are yoruba?
So pls i really believe Nowenuse about that identity crisis of Ilorin people, at least from what i expereinced from Zainab my old friend.

ChristyG:
the yorubas of the SW have never descriminated against the kwara yorubas,many are here in SW with marrying and living with us,many of them are in Yoruba nollywood doing very well for themselves,the likes of femi adebayo,kunle afolayan,adebayo salami,fausat balogun,etc and nobody will remind them of not being from south west but I can't say that for the middle belt,where they are just being used for politics.
they are more that are in support of yorubas in that axis joining d SW than those against it,when this country gets a proper true federalism,am sure they will get it cos they have fighting for it for long.this mixed yorubas that u are shouting def,they are not more than the pure ones

ChristyG:
this mixed yorubas that u are shouting def,they are not more than the pure ones

Nowenuse:


Kogi and Kwara yorubas are not discriminated by SW yorubas, but there are many yorubas in the southwest who do not know of the existence of yorubas outside the southwest
I have interacted with some yorubas from the southwest and do u know that to my amazement many of them are not even aware that indigenous yorubas exist in Kogi?
A particular lady from Oyo state i was speaking with told me that some Kogi people only answer yoruba names but they can never be yorubas, and i was trying to let her understand that those answering yoruba names from Kogi were actually yorubas by tribe but she disagreed that kogi is not part of Yoruba land.
Denying someone of their identity, now tell me, is that not enough discrimination?
When Southwest leaders, elders or governors hold their meetings, Kwara n Kogi yoruba elders n leaders do not attend. That is kimd of preventing them from associating with their people.

I have also heard from Someone who said that during his school days in ABU zaria, a particular scholarship or bursary offer came for Yoruba students to the school. Yoruba students from Kogi n Kwara applied but none of them were granted, as they were told that the scholarship does not include yorubas outside the southwest, that is was meant for only those from Ogun, Oyo, Ekiti, Osun, Ondo n Lagos.
Now tell me, what do u call that?

Nowenuse:


The mixed yorubas may not be more than the pure ones but the mixed yorubas of Kwara central plis the Nupes, baribas and fulanis of Kwara north may equal the population of the pure yorubas in the state.
so u see?

Also, these mixed yorubas who u deem as small in population but yet they have a stronger political say in the state .Probably I think that is why no person from Kwara south has ever ruled Kwara state, because Kwara south is d stronghold of pure yorubas.

Fulaman198:


What was your other name Hausaboy

Fulaman198:


Every Fulani regardless of clan or sub culture is a Muslim (99%). Some cultures just practise Islam more so than others

ChristyG:
how do u want to believe ur story of one ignorant lady u met,and use that to jugde for other yorubas,u are just generalizing with ur one person stories to jugde both side,which yoruba does not know okun or kabba person or does not know omu aran or offa because they are not in d south west(a very foo.lish one)the truth is that yorubas in d sw dont treat them the way their so called middle belt treat them that is why most of them prefer us or u want to tell me u know more about the south west than i do,mr middle belt,u should come to south west and see how they are being 'discriminated'against instead of basing ur jugdements on 'one person' stories.

Nowenuse:


Pls when u say every fulani, i hope u are referring to only those in Nigeria? cos i know there are so many fulani christians in other west african countries like Gambia n Guinèe.

For me i can never call some of those fulani bororo muslims, some dont go to mosques at all and they practice all manner of diabolical activities.
Even the real town fulanis/hausanized fulanis do not regard fulani bororo as real muslims.

Fulaman198:


Sounds like you have experience

dapipson:
A Yoruba Muslim lady ever told me that " do you know that if there is a religious crisis, this Hausa Muslim Will kill us? " this keeps me wondering till today.

notoriousbabe:
sure I do,you wanna tap some?

Fulaman198:


Cross out your name while you are at it

yaskarahyelhope:



Are U kidding me? A Hausa/Fulani Muslim don't believe in any other Muslims apart from them. D Yorubas don't know how much d Hausa/Fulani Muslims hate dem. Check out d 2011 post election violence. They were d target of d fight.

A nurse who worked at AKTH hospital Kano was almost killed. She narrowly escaped with her life. She was a Yoruba Muslim who joined d vehicle of her Hausa colleague during d post election violence, 2011 to be dropped off. She begged him to claim her as his wife coz of d violence. D moment d guy reached where d boys were, he pushed her out of his car, telling dem although a Muslim but was Yoruba muslim. She was beaten mercilessly and asked to run for her life. D man believed she was dead. After they resumed work following d curfew lifting, she resumed work. He almost asked d ground to swallow him. He was extra shocked to see her alive. She then narrated her ordeal. Its only d Igbira Muslims they don't joke with. Coz their head dey charge. Hausa/Fulani Muslims marry Yoruba Muslims norni!!

Jarus:
I am a Yoruba Muslim married to a Fulani Muslim.

orogodoganyin:

how did u do that? that's sumfin i've bn chasing 4 years mahn

Jarus:

Pay me make iformula. give you the formula

Jarus:


Pay me make iformula. give you the formula

Fulaman198:
First and foremost, what is a Hausa-Fulani? You are either Hausa or you are Fulani.

Secondly, this is a dumb question. It's like asking why don't Igbo and Yoruba Christians marry each other a lot.....

Culture <> religion, religion is only but a subset of culture.

alexlee50:
your statement that religion is a subset of culture is not correct.in the north, the religion is the culture while in the south religion and culture are practised side by side.in cases where they are in conflict, the people may throw whichever is not convenient for them.

Nowenuse:


Fulaman, how could there be statistical information on this?

Ask most people urself and they will tell u truly this is a fact, just wait for more comments and u'll see.

Are u not wondering how come u are the only one disproving this?

Igbo/yoruba christians intermarry far far more than Hausa/yoruba muslims.

Even amongst the northern n middlebelt christian minorities, we even intermarry with igbos n yorubas far more than yorubas with hausas.

igbizen:
I personally do not see religion as a subset of culture don't know about Muslims buh these days Christianity is kind of enveloping culture. take for example my own cousins rather attend first to an outsider who is attending d same church (Jehovah witness) than me his family member. so I say religion has become bigger than culture and not a subset. I think that is the same way the northern Muslims look at the western Muslims.

Nowenuse:
Hausa-fulanis & Yorubas have the largest & 2nd largest muslim populations in Nigeria, but one wonders why intermarriage btween both groups is not so common.

Igbos & Yorubas who have the largest & 2nd largest christian populations in Nigeria intermarry more often than Hausas do with yorubas and i wonder why.

The only area that may be of exception is the ILORIN AREA of Kwara state.....due to the history of Hausa-Fulanis conquering Ilorin and settling with the yorubas there in large numbers and have been intermarrying down the centuries because of the Fulani Islamic monarchy (emirate rulership) that unites them together.

Aside Ilorin, it is quite very difficult for u to find yoruba muslims from the south-west intermarrying with Hausa-fulanis... Why??

igbizen:

I did my NYSC in TARABA, I was so surprise wen a student said the Yoruba are not true Muslims dats why dey don't intermarry. nevertheless I have igbo friends that are married to yorubas Christians. Am yet to find a Yoruba Muslim and hausa Muslim get married.

Mapletraks:



^^^^^^
@OP, I just saw this thread and need to quickly reply.

First Islam arrived in Yorubaland before Uthman
Dan Fodio was born and there was a significant
Yoruba muslim population that got converted
to Islam by preachers from the Mali Empire
who came to the Oyo Empire.


I noticed this insulting urban legend even to me
who isn't a muslim that Hausa or Fulani do
not regard Yoruba muslims as real(sic) muslims.
A lot of people speak from deep ignorance, and
I even observed that some people from a particular part of Nigeria on Forums use it
to in a silly manner insult the Yoruba.


It is Not true that Yoruba muslims don't marry
fellow muslims from the North such as Fulani
or Hausa. They also marry muslims who are
Nupe, Ebira, Senegalese, some Arabs, the Edo
muslims from Auchi/Etsako, Gwari, etc.


The "Mutallab Family" led by Alhaji Abdul Mutallab from Katsina State came to Ibadan
for the Nikai wedding between his son and
the late Alhaji Alao Arisekola's daugher in
2009! A few months before Mutallab, the
Under-Bomber tried to blow up a plane.

One of the daughters of Sultan Machido of Sokoto, is married into the Edu family of Lagos
State. There are many more because the
Yoruba have the 2nd largest muslim population
in Nigeria after the Hausa. Even among the
indigenes of Lagos State, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, they constitute the largest population.


Islam arrived in Yorubaland which extends from
Nigeria to Benin, and Atakpame province in Togo
over 350 years ago from the Mali Empire. Nobody should insult Yoruba muslims by saying
that Northerners look down on Yoruba muslims.
It's PURE lie from religious and ethnic bigots.


Yoruba was also written in Arabic just like Ashante and Hausa languages long before the
birth of Uthman Danfodio in Niger Republic.

CryptDarpick:


I agree with most of what you're saying, but islam was documented in northern Nigeria since as early as the 9th century. And the fulanis have the 2nd largest group of muslims in Nigeria, then the yorubas and then the kanuris.

Mapletraks:



@ Igbizen, the information that you said a
student gave you is highly doubtful about the
comment that Yoruba are not true muslims.
Taraba is a predominantly Xtian State so how
can anyone say that.

Did you know that Dr. Chris Abashiya is a Fulani
Xtian from Taraba? I am not a muslim but I find
it highly insulting that people would seek to
deliberately distort history by peddling urban
legends against a people i.e., the Yoruba who
have the 3rd largest members of the muslim
ummah in Nigeria followed by the Kanuri, the
Ebiras, the Nupes, the Bades, the Igalas, etc.
Hausas take the 1st position and Fulanis
come 2nd.

Lastly, most Yoruba marry either Edo/Delta
groups(including Anioma) more than from the
core 5 SE states, for the Xtians, while MOST
Yoruba muslims marry from among themselves,
a lot of Edo muslims from Auchi are married to
Yorubas, Nupe, Igala, Ebira, Gwari, Hausa, and
Fulani are married to Yorubas.

From my past research, the Yoruba are the
largest ethnicity in Nigeria that have
inter-married more than any other ethnic
group because they are able to penetrate
predominantly muslim and non-muslim
areas to socialise, trade, live, and inter-marry.


I must add that one of the top Islamic clerics
in Kano is of Yoruba ancestry. How was he able
to get there if Hausas regard Yorubas as untrue
muslims. What of the Secretary General of the
Supreme Council for Islamic affairs who is of
Yoruba ancestry.

The false and unintelligent lies must stop so
that we can properly preserve our history. Yoruba muslims are not inferior to anybody
and the bigots should desist from the fatalistic
behaviors and peddling of urban legends.

PS: I had my secondary education at an FGC
in the North decades ago and got exposed to
intelligent and kind Northerners and the teachings of Islam as well. If these Northerners
related with non-muslims like me, why would
anybody lie that Yorubas who have the 3rd largest muslim population in Nigeria are NOT
true muslims when we have Yoruba Sunnis,
Shiites, Ahmadiyya, Tijanniya, Quadriya, just
like the Hausa, Fulani, Kanuri etc.


Uthman Danfodio himself was a Tijanniya mystic
and it is on record that some of the mercenaries
who took part in the jihadic battle were non-muslim Bororo Fulani!

Fulaman198:


How in the name of Allah Almighty is a 'Hausa-Fulani' and Hausa any different? I don't think the relationship between the people who call themselves Hausa-Fulani and Hausa is a healthy one at that. The so called Hausa-Fulani doesn't know a thing about Fulani culture and can't identify with a Fulani person on any level. Whilst a Hausa-Fulani can identify easily with a Hausa.

Mapletraks:


PS: I was watching a live online streaming
of an interview on AIT, and Femi Fani-Kayode
said he is 1/8th Fulani. It was in April of 2015
and I'm not surprised about the fact that Fulani
ancestry flows in a significant number of
Yoruba and other Nigerians as well.