franugo:


.....nd u think u are a real believer I don't really have a real life example 4 u, buh watch 24, there u will see real believers in a cause or idea.

there is no real or fake believer, the moment you believe that Jesus is the Messiah you have joined Christianity, you are saved automatically.
that's all.
Paul preached to convert people from other religion into Christianity.
that was his ultimate target

Amisec:
Going to Church, which church? even church of satan?
Do not deceive the gullible, salvation is not going to church but believing in Christ Jesus, repenting and forsaking your sins, and if possible, restitution.





Pastors this days in their attempt to make riches only preach about repenting but deliberately forgetting that you have to repent and forsake your sins to be saved.
Goodluck!

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good.
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

paxonel:

God bless you for this

Bless you too.

Blackeard:
if u truly believe this, then I'm sorry for you.

lol,
sorry for 9ja instead, your beliefs is responsible for the corruption.
we act based on what we believe

elantraceey:



Oh sweetheart keep deceiving yourself ok

say something.
you simply cannot

ethylene:

1. In Christ times, he had problems with the way the synagogue was been runed by the Pharisees and the Sadducees
And tried to kill him any every chance they could get.
2. The warned that we should ask for the holy spirit to help us discern the truth from the doctrines been preached for many shall come in my name performing signs and wonders and aslo we were charged to test the sprits. By this fruits we shall know them.
3. Many wia called but few wia chosen not all who call his name or is a church goer shall be saved
4. What u are trying to pass tru might lead unstable souls to stumble. Been saved is not only believing but working hard to stay saved
Cos in the cause of living life to the fullest one might hv sinned unknowingly or purposely and wont repent of it. Remember he wants us to be 100%pure. Least wont make it

the very thing the Jews did at synagogue in those days are what we christians still doing in churches today,
For this reason, Christ died and build his own church which is Christianity.
Christianity is not church building, unlike the synagogue.
Christianity is simply your believe in Christ that's all.
synagogue did not believe in Christ

Not every church goer is a child of GOD,excerpt if they are Filled WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

busuyem:


Friend, what's ur view about 2 Tim. 3:1-5?

bad works were mentioned from verses 1 to 4, But from verse 5, Paul was talking to believers that they should abstain from those things
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Paul was referring to the jews here,that they have form of Godiness by keeping the law But they deny the power, they deny christ. that means even with their law they were not saved until they accept christ.
if you go down to verse 15
3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
He was talking to christians here, in contrast to the Jews who disbelieve, thereby denying the power, that they are saved

JoeCutie:
Fallacy of 'Blasphemus Againstus Religionus'

Many years ago when I was a learner, I offered to teach a choir because one girl I was chyking was a chorister in that choir. From there, I started going to Church almost every day, for either choir practice, fellowship or one reason or the other, but I made sure that the babe in question was involved in every of those engagements I made. I equally agreed to take her on a private Keyboard lesson. In fact, I was always seen in or around the church premises. Fast forward the story, when I finally got her, I took her home and the rest was...in fact, you know the drill. I got what I wanted, I moved ahead.

The inclusion of "automatic" in the statement has flawed the whole argument, making the logic invalid. If you say "potential", that's fine. "Every Church-goer is a potential child of God", that's okay. You can never be an automatic child of God just because you go to Church everyday, but you're at least, a potential child of God. Why? Because you could one day, encounter God in a special way and you'd be arrested by His presence just the same way Saul was. The closer you get to His house, the more you give yourself an opportunity, a chance to meeting with Him.

And for those people who argue that they mustn't go to Church to be called children of God, stop deceiving yourselves already. They claim to pray in their homes; fine. But if you need a favour from the President, and you have the chance of meeting him personally in his house, I'm sure you'd take that option, other than sitting at the comfort of your home, then trying to get across to him through a mediator or through Phone calls. God knows what we want even before we ask. He appreciates us when we kneel down in our rooms and pray to him, but I think He appreciates us even more when we could spare some of our time, come to Him in His house & pray to Him. God has feelings too. He also needs attention.
So stop being too lazy, and making unnecessary arguments, go to Church!

Chai! Today, I went to Church for the first time in months. Please, forgive me, Lord.

lol
sorry, the topic of this tread has been altered .
i don't know what he mean by child of God. the original topic was:
The truth is, everybody who go to church are saved. and not child of God.
being saved and the perception of being a child of God are two different thing.
Based on human perception,anybody who do good can be seen as child of God at that point. meaning, if you are not doing good you are not a child of God.
also, anybody who go to church can also be seen as a child of God.
But to be saved does not depend on whether we go to church or we do good.
to be saved is strictly our believe in Christ only (being christians and not any other religion )
everybody in Christianity believe, therefore everybody in Christianity are saved.
All church goers are in Christianity (christians ) and are all saved.
no non christians (example, Muslims or atheists ) go to church.
so, salvation is strictly the Christian faith.
without faith it is impossible to please God.

tjkadzyanju:
pls read colosian2:6-7
… ..I pity u… .quote me after reading. peace.

you can't even quote out the Scripture because you don't know what it means.
i pity you.
Paul was telling christians that they should not allow the jews to come and deceive them that Jesus is not the coming Messiah.
ofwhich, the unbelieving Jews are still waiting for the Messiah till now.
the Messiah is Jesus, Jesus founded Christianity the day he resurrected.
Judaism is the religion of the Jews.
Colossians 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ(received Christianity ) Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him(remain in Christianity ):
2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith(establish in Christianity, not in Judaism), as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
2:8 Beware lest any man(any jew in particular ) spoil you through philosophy(philosophy that teaches that Jesus is not the Messiah ) and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ(not after the teaching that Jesus is the Christ )
this was documented in the Bible since proximately 2000 years ago and it was applied at that time .

Joluwadamisi:
If every church goer is a child of God, Then, every child that comes to your home should be your dad's child.
Same way every animal in the river should be a fish.
You are not a child of God until you're born again with evidence...

this topic has been altered.
this is not the topic the op started with

synergycom19:
Not every church goer is a child of GOD,excerpt if they are Filled WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT

everybody in church have the holy spirit which is Christ.
anybody who do good can be seen as a child of God.
anybody who do bad is not a child of God.
that is human perception.
But it is not like that with God.
with God, you are a child of God the moment you join Christianity. at that point you are saved.
To join Christianity is not necessarily mean church going

free2ryhme:



Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'



Matt 7:22

nna!
this thing has pass now!
we don't need it again
don't mind our current day pastors, all of them.
we are now in a new era since 2000 years ago,
we are now in the era of Christianity.
infact, Christ was not yet crucified when he made that statement.
so, when you are reading bible consider time.
that there is time for everything.
the time before crucifixion and the time after crucifixion are not the same.
Jesus says the least person in the kingdom of God (Christianity ) is better than the time of the prophets including the time of John the Baptist when Jesus was yet to be crucified

False.

paxonel:

to be in a christian family and to receive Jesus, they are still the same thing.
i proved it by saying Jesus is the founder of the Christianity we are practicing today.
that Christianity is our faith, not islam
that without Christianity our faith it is impossible to please God.
so, armed robbers are covered too, remember the thief on the cross with Jesus.
the crucifixion he had was the punishment for his sin, But by believing at that moment, he was saved automatically

You are lying paul is the founder of xtianity and churches began after the 'seal of indulgence' some hundred years after christ.

A child of the pastor who guides them like children.

paxonel:

we are saved from death.
Adam and Eve sinned death came to mankind.
But Christ came and restore life back to us

Are you saying being Christian means you live above sin or Rather as a church goer you cannot sin?

No! Even demons come to church.
Where ever the children of God are gathered, the devil is always is there. In fact, if the agent of darkness are not there, then it is an indication that it is not a living Church.

Have a nice day!

God2man.

John 1: 12 and Romans 8: 14

myproperty:


Are you saying being Christian means you live above sin or Rather as a church goer you cannot sin?

yes, as a Christian we live above sin, that doesn't mean we cannot sin, it means, from God's point of view God is not judging our sin anymore, But he is judging humans whether they were born in Christian home or not.
whether they are in the Christian faith of not.
to be in the Christian faith is to be in the book of life, cos we are justified by faith, not by works.
all church goers are already in that faith no matter their sin, the same thing goes to christians who chooses not to go to church, they are also saved by their believe (in Jesus )

kritikali:


You are lying paul is the founder of xtianity and churches began after the 'seal of indulgence' some hundred years after christ.

i am taking account from the scriptures, i don't know where you are getting yours from.
read act 1:15. Christianity started with just 120 people at pentecost upper room. today that number has grown to billions of christians world wide.
this is what God wanted to do and it has come to pass. nobody could stopped him inspite all the persecution of early christians

paxonel:

exactly!

honestly, i couldn't recognize this thread, what happened?
lol

Proximo73:

honestly, i couldn't recognize this thread, what happened?
lol

ahahahaahaaa!!
while men slept, the devil came and sow a seed of tares among the grains and went his way

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God2man:
No! Even demons come to church.
Where ever the children of God are gathered, the devil is always is there. In fact, if the agent of darkness are not there, then it is an indication that it is not a living Church.

Have a nice day!

God2man.

do you truly believe that demons are casted out of christians?
contrary to that the bible says whosever believe that Jesus is the Christ has the spirit of God.

You are absolutely correct

abitex577:
Going to church and been born into a christian home doesn't make one saved.
Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal saviour, and living your life according to God's word in the Bible is what makes one saved.
Many in church confess Christ by words of their mouth but are far from God in their heart. When you have God's word's in your heart, you live by the word and everyone will see the fruit of your christianity.

paxonel:

ahahahaahaaa!!
while men slept, the devil came and sow a seed of tares among the grains and went his way

lol
funny

UncleJudax:

Going to church doesn't make one a believer. People go to church for different reasons.

that's true

paxonel:

yes, as a Christian we live above sin, that doesn't mean we cannot sin, it means, from God's point of view God is not judging our sin anymore, But he is judging humans whether they were born in Christian home or not.
whether they are in the Christian faith of not.
to be in the Christian faith is to be in the book of life, cos we are justified by faith, not by works.
all church goers are already in that faith no matter their sin, the same thing goes to christians who chooses not to go to church, they are also saved by their believe (in Jesus )

I see! you mean as a Christian you have a free ticket to live in sin and abide in sin and you would not be judged by it. Religion of sin? No. Christianity is not a religion that promotes sin or a religion that those not condemn sin.

myproperty:

I see! you mean as a Christian you have a free ticket to live in sin and abide in sin and you would not be judged by it. Religion of sin? No. Christianity is not a religion that promotes sin or a religion that those not condemn sin.

to deliberately live and abide in sin is not a good thing,we will suffer the consequence like anyone else if we do. This is the judgement of this world. whoever break the law must go for it.
that's why Christianity do not promote sin like you say.
But in the spirit realm where our justification lies it's a different thing entirely. we are justified by our faith (which is Christianity ) into eternal life, not by the law or any of our good action in this physical life.
so, if you are good you will enjoy your eternal life on earth.
if you are bad you will suffer your eternal life on earth.
there is suffering in heaven.
it's as simple as that

paxonel:

to deliberately live and abide in sin is not a good thing,we will suffer the consequence like anyone else if we do. This is the judgement of this world. whoever break the law must go for it.
that's why Christianity do not promote sin like you say.
But in the spirit realm where our justification lies it's a different thing entirely. we are justified by our faith (which is Christianity ) into eternal life, not by the law or any of our good action in this physical life.
so, if you are good you will enjoy your eternal life on earth.
if you are bad you will suffer your eternal life on earth.
there is suffering in heaven.
it's as simple as that

are you saying one will suffer the consequence of his sin throughout his entire eternal life or he will suffer the consequence in the life he commited the sin only ?
Romans 6:7 says For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Proximo73:


are you saying one will suffer the consequence of his sin throughout his entire eternal life or he will suffer the consequence in the life he commited the sin only ?
Romans 6:7 says For he that is dead is freed from sin.

thanks for the correction!
i was trying to say that he will suffer the sin in the life he commited the sin but he is free after death