EzioAuditore:


Oh! But you were delving in destructive criticism of Islam were you not? This whole thread was created for that! Lies lies and more lies! I judged you on the fact that you admitted to being picky about what you follow in the bible, I suggest when someone is engaged in an argument he can't win, the honorable thing to do is to run so I won't blame you. "Allahu yahdee ka ila siradal mustaqeem"

Islam is not a person. I can't be castigated for analysing an ideology! Blah blah pagan occultic crap! Judgemental loser!

EzioAuditore:


That's the thing about christians I can't seem to understand. Religion is not what you want it to be, it is what it is, you can't choose what part of a scripture you want to follow, you need to follow the whole thing. Freedom was not Gods intention for man on earth, when you get to heaven, then you can talk of freedom, but i read something about what you guys believe heaven will be, and I have to say it's boring, it might actually be hell.

so you mean we can't have bf/gf or we should give all our wealth to poor the OT laws doesn't apply anymore except those of tithing. and how can you say our heaven is boring you'll be worn clothes white as snow sparkling as diamond crown of rubies and be given trumpets of GOLD! to blow with and race around the throne of the lord forever and EVER! isn't that interesting?

kay1one2:


Islam is not a person. I can't be castigated for analysing an ideology! Blah blah pagan occultic crap! Judgemental loser!

So destructive criticism doesn't apply to ideologies? Lmao! That's just stupid, and I don't worship a pagan God, you do! And i can prove it to you in one post if you want?

tartar9:
so you mean we can't have bf/gf or we should give all our wealth to poor the OT laws doesn't apply anymore except those of tithing. and how can you say our heaven is boring you'll be worn clothes white as snow sparkling as diamond crown of rubies and be given trumpets of GOLD! to blow with and race around the throne of the lord forever and EVER! isn't that interesting?

Lol! Maybe rainbows shoot out of their as*es too! Lol! I can't fathom why in Gods name someone would yearn to go to a place like that!

EzioAuditore:


So destructive criticism doesn't apply to ideologies? Lmao! That's just stupid, and I don't worship a pagan God, you do! And i can prove it to you in one post if you want?

Keep judging humans! We'll figure out which is worse with time!

kay1one2:


When you answer my question, quote again!

A Muslim doesn't have to quote the Quran for you to brand him a Muslim terrorist does he! Your rules must also apply to you.

tartar9:
that's the old testament
we use the the NT,he wasn't in his right senses there

Lets talk about this Paul bloke? Who is he? Lol! He never even saw Jesus! Infact he hated the followers of Jesus! hen the hypocrite claimed to see "a white light"! Lmao! I don't even want to delve into that issue.

kay1one2:


Keep judging humans! We'll figure out which is worse with time!

I'm not passing final judgement on you, that's for the almighty! I am condemning you based on the fact that you do not follow your Holy book, hence you're not a good christian! Do you want me to prove your worshipping a pagan God?

EzioAuditore:


A Muslim doesn't have to quote the Quran for you to brand him a Muslim terrorist does he! Your rules must also apply to you.

Have you looked at boko haram's or isils logo?! As a matter of fact, all terrorist groups! You know where the arabic inscriptions come from right? The quran!

EzioAuditore:


I'm not passing final judgement on you, that's for the almighty! I am condemning you based on the fact that you do not follow your Holy book, hence you're not a good christian! Do you want me to prove your worshipping a pagan God?

Go and put your life to good use! "Condemning". You can knock yourself out. I'll probably review it after I'm done following barca's match!

kay1one2:


Have you looked at boko haram's or isils logo?! As a matter of fact, all terrorist groups! You know where the arabic inscriptions come from right? The quran!

That is called the Kalmatu shahadah dumbo, even a baby can recite that. The Kalmatu shahada existed before the Quran. Other terror acts you just have to be a "Muslim" for people to attack islam. You don't even need to say why you're doing it! Hitler was a Christian from a Christian home, accept it!

kay1one2:


Go and put your life to good use! "Condemning". You can knock yourself out. I'll probably review it after I'm done following barca's match!

Ahh! Yes! Good match! I was rooting for PSG though! Friggin Barcelona! But the bayern match is a lot more interesting! Come back later when you're ready to see the truth then I'll be happy to provide it for you, for now, enjoy the match!

EzioAuditore:


Any Muslim who threatens someone else is doing so at his own peril, as to your claims about no christian terrorist organizations....WHAT? Heard of the ku klux clan, the people who hunted your black brothers and burned them in the name of God? Slavery was done in the means of your lord. The lords resistance army in Uganda? The monkeys massacring Muslims in Central African Republic? The army of God in the US? There have been recent blmbings and killings by christian organizations but no one cares, we're the scape goats.

Ah come on. Honestly I hate these religious arguments but really you Muslims need to undestand and accept that you have a serious problem with these terrorist organisations. For example how many Christians have travelled half the world to join the LRA? In fact the LRA includes self confessed Christians, Muslims (yes) and Animists. Please deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and its military wings which seek to make everyone a Muslim. This is not an attack on Islam because honestly I know almost nothing about Islam. I saw a mosque for the first time when I was 13...fact.

EzioAuditore:


That is called the Kalmatu shahadah dumbo, even a baby can recite that. The Kalmatu shahada existed before the Quran. Other terror acts you just have to be a "Muslim" for people to attack islam. You don't even need to say why you're doing it! Hitler was a Christian from a Christian home, accept it!

Keep living in deceit. Its an islamic term. Used only in islam not Buddhism. Porto might shock bayern. Post your lie. It won't change the fact that islam and terrorism are synonymous. Which is sad as you people are more valuable to God and humanity than being petty touts!

kay1one2:


Keep living in deceit. Its an islamic term. Used only in islam not Buddhism. Porto might shock bayern. Post your lie. It won't change the fact that islam and terrorism are synonymous. Which is sad as you people are more valuable to God and humanity than being petty touts!

Just as you're wrong about Porto shocking bayern, you're also dead wrong about Islam! The horrors perpetrated by christians in this world Muslims cannot possibly come close to that in 100 years!

Papist:

Ah come on. Honestly I hate these religious arguments but really you Muslims need to undestand and accept that you have a serious problem with these terrorist organisations. For example how many Christians have travelled half the world to join the LRA? In fact the LRA includes self confessed Christians, Muslims (yes) and Animists. Please deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and its military wings which seek to make everyone a Muslim. This is not an attack on Islam because honestly I know almost nothing about Islam. I saw a mosque for the first time when I was 13...fact.

The prophet has taught us to respect other people's religion as long as they respect yours, you can't force islam on a person! Like I always say, the prophets Neighbour was a Jew, but somehow there's this perspective that Muslims want to kill all Jews, they are despicable people but it's not so! We do have a problem, there are terrorist organizations that exist solely on their own and there are terrorist organizations sponsored by certain people, not because of God but because of personal and political interests. I hope you get to know more about the true islam.

itstorekeeper:
#EziAuditore, your text is a very long one. I endured reading it till the end, but I did not see anywhere islam was mentioned as enemies of the Christians or can you point out? Jesus is not Moses and did not preach tit for that. We are Christians and not Mosesians. Christ started with New testament. The old testament was included as a deterrent. In the old testament there was animal sacrifices, but Christ died in the New testament where he bore our sacrifices. To prove your claim, from Mathew to Revelation where we Christians abound, show me where violence was preached. We do like Christ and not Mosaic laws of tit for tat. Can you dispute this?

Now this is argument you Christians always put forward, so who do we believe, God or jesus

itstorekeeper:
#EziAuditore, your text is a very long one. I endured reading it till the end, but I did not see anywhere islam was mentioned as enemies of the Christians or can you point out? Jesus is not Moses and did not preach tit for that. We are Christians and not Mosesians. Christ started with New testament. The old testament was included as a deterrent. In the old testament there was animal sacrifices, but Christ died in the New testament where he bore our sacrifices. To prove your claim, from Mathew to Revelation where we Christians abound, show me where violence was preached. We do like Christ and not Mosaic laws of tit for tat. Can you dispute this?

That's because islam started 200 later than the bible. Also, the jesus will not condone attacks on Gods religion, but the lesson here is the mindless killings of people and lack of regard for human life. Tortures and brutalizes in the bible against those who refused Moses and those who didn't. And don't give me that BS about Old Testament.

Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement.

Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)" We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it.

You Christians really need to abandon this habit of hypocrisy and selective morality.

itstorekeeper:
#EziAuditore, your text is a very long one. I endured reading it till the end, but I did not see anywhere islam was mentioned as enemies of the Christians or can you point out? Jesus is not Moses and did not preach tit for that. We are Christians and not Mosesians. Christ started with New testament. The old testament was included as a deterrent. In the old testament there was animal sacrifices, but Christ died in the New testament where he bore our sacrifices. To prove your claim, from Mathew to Revelation where we Christians abound, show me where violence was preached. We do like Christ and not Mosaic laws of tit for tat. Can you dispute this?

That's because islam started 200 later than the bible. Also, the jesus will not condone attacks on Gods religion, but the lesson here is the mindless killings of people and lack of regard for human life. Tortures and brutalizes in the bible against those who refused Moses and those who didn't. And don't give me that BS about Old Testament.

Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians and present verses from the Old Testament to them about some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an interesting statement.

Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)" We clearly see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it.

You Christians really need to abandon this habit of hypocrisy and selective morality.

I just came across this, i didn't see it earlier because you didn't really direct it at me, you misspelled the name.

#EzioAuditore, you have not answered my question. The quran 9:30 says " the Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them". Where in the Bible did you see " Islam and Muslims are perverts; fight them"? The old testament as I said is to state the laws of Moses which he Christ came and abolished. Deutronomey is in the old testament, no wonder Christ was not mentioned in any part of the old testament. Christians are of the New, sacrifice-less, war-less, violence-less. Christians are very ready to wait even for 2000 years to convert a Muslim, but Muslims do not allow Christians into their folds, right or wrong? When a Christian is somehow turned into Islam, his kinsmen laugh at him saying he is doing that for maybe contract or favour, he is also allowed association with even the priest who will like to convince him to come back to Christ in friendly manners, but when a Muslim is converted to Christianity, do you still allow him access to your worship places? Is he allowed to live maybe to discuss the religion or letting out the secret of the religion? All these still baffles me that I began to wonder if actually these two religions could make up a comfortable polity. I need clarification please.

EzioAuditore:


The fact that you also added lies showed that you are a biased person trying to stir up mischief. The part about punishment with iron rods and all that is Gods punishment, not mans punishment, Muslims are forbidden to torture people especially anything that has to do with fire.

I posted exactly what I saw. The source of the information is there: www.facebook.com/theisrealnetwork. Check it up yourself. I was confused that was why I asked to be put through if this actually exists. We are all here to learn, nobody is an island of wisdom, right?

I did not post this to accentuate or attribute any religion to terrorism. I hope we should cite this argument on merely religious routeen to learn more. Terrorism is not a religion and I still don't think any religion preaches thus, but quran 9:30 especially, motivated my quest to know if actually we can be friends with our Muslim brothers or fear when we conglomerate. Muslim scholars, am yet to get answers. That portion was it manipulated, photoshoped? Please anyone with the correct verse should post it here please.

itstorekeeper:
I posted exactly what I saw. The source of the information is there: www.facebook.com/theisrealnetwork. Check it up yourself. I was confused that was why I asked to be put through if this actually exists. We are all here to learn, nobody is an island of wisdom, right?

Didn't you see israel? They are liars! All the want to do is cause a rift between people! These are the same people that call Jesus a mad liar and mary a LovePeddler and a harlot. These people are not your allies. Heck to them any non jew is a lesser human. I'll write a post about the treatment of non muslims in islam and you'll see.give me a moment. I want to reply both you and another person in a single post.

itstorekeeper:
#EzioAuditore, you have not answered my question. The quran 9:30 says " the Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them". Where in the Bible did you see " Islam and Muslims are perverts; fight them"? The old testament as I said is to state the laws of Moses which he Christ came and abolished. Deutronomey is in the old testament, no wonder Christ was not mentioned in any part of the old testament. Christians are of the New, sacrifice-less, war-less, violence-less. Christians are very ready to wait even for 2000 years to convert a Muslim, but Muslims do not allow Christians into their folds, right or wrong? When a Christian is somehow turned into Islam, his kinsmen laugh at him saying he is doing that for maybe contract or favour, he is also allowed association with even the priest who will like to convince him to come back to Christ in friendly manners, but when a Muslim is converted to Christianity, do you still allow him access to your worship places? Is he allowed to live maybe to discuss the religion or letting out the secret of the religion? All these still baffles me that I began to wonder if actually these two religions could make up a comfortable polity. I need clarification please.

Apparently you are the same person. Hostilities against muslims can't be mentioned in the bible because remember, it was 200 years later. My point is the atrocities against those who opposed moses.

In order to answer your question, I must clarify that there is a difference between what Islam says Muslims should do and what individual Muslims actually do. Just as you will find among Christians, Jews, and others those people who do not follow what their religion teaches, so, too, you will find Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Islam. This may be due to their ignorance of the correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah, or it may be due to their personal weaknesses and prejudices.

Your first question is whether Muslims hate Christians because they want to force the Quran on them. This assumes that Muslims hate Christians. Again, you will find that there are some Muslims who do hate Christians, but this is not what Islam teaches. Muslims are to respect both Christians and Jews as being People of the Book, that is, people who received revelation from God before the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, which is God’s final Scripture.

Muslims are not allowed to force the Quran on Christians or others. This is clear in the Quran in words that mean:

{There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error…} (Al-Baqarah 2:256)

While Muslims respect Jews and Christians as People of the Book, at the same time Muslims are cautioned not to take them as close friends. This does not mean that Muslims should not treat them with respect, kindness, and justice, nor that Muslims cannot socialize with them as long as they respect the limits of Islam - for example, that no alcohol is served. But it does mean that Muslims should seek personal advice and, on a national level, allies, from fellow Muslims.

The Quran gives guidance in how to deal with the People of the Book. It reads what means:

{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.} (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Quran also reads:

{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.} (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

Another verse reads what means:

{O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is [one] of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.} (Al-Maidah 5:51)

Then another verse reads what means:

{Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe [to be] the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe [to be] those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.} (Al-Maidah 5:82)

When Islam spread outside the Arab Peninsula, the Muslims did not force anyone to adopt their religion. Following the orders of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and his successors, they did not destroy churches, monasteries, synagogues, or even pagan temples. The Muslims established their rule based on the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Non-Muslims were allowed to keep their religions and personal status laws and even their own criminal laws for crimes committed among themselves.

Islam teaches us to try to live in peaceful coexistence with those of other faiths. Muslims are not to attack others unless they are attacked first. The Quran says what means:

{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

The Quran also reads what means:

{Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.} (Al-Mumtahana 60:

I don’t know whether, in asking your question, you are referring to a particular incident that you heard of. I have not heard of Muslims attacking Christians for the purpose of imposing the Quran on them. Sometimes there are conflicts or even full-scale wars that appear to be for religious reasons because the two sides are divided along religious lines. But, in fact, these are usually struggles for economic or political power.

I would like to add here that Muslims do abhor the methods used by some Christians to spread their version of Christianity. Such methods include slandering and lying against the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). In contrast, no Muslim would dream of slandering or lying against Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) because he is also a prophet of God and a messenger of Islam, that is, surrender to the will of God.

Muslims are ordered to invite others to Islam in this way stated in the Quran. The Quran reads what means:

{Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.} (An-Nahl 16:125)

As for your question about the Jews, I repeat, Muslims are to respect them for being People of the Book. When the Quran does criticize the Jews who did not follow God’s commands, the expression {among them there are some…} is always there, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad. When Muslims ruled by Islamic Law, Jews - and others - were free to practice their religion and flourished.

The fighting you see today in the Middle East is not about religion, but about economic and political power. We must always distinguish between Zionists — many of whom are even atheists — and Jews, many of whom oppose Zionism. Please read the links below for clarification of this subject.

Let me ask you this: If a lot of foreigners moved into your country and then, instead of living peacefully among you, took over the government, forced you out of your homes, cut most of the water going to you, gave you no voice in the government, searched you whenever you entered a house of worship, humiliated you in numerous ways, threatened you with guns and tanks, and so on, wouldn’t you—the original residents—be angry and fight back in any way you could? And if those foreigners who took over happened to be of a different religion than the original residents, would the fighting be because of the religious differences? Possibly, but not necessarily. Remember that in the case of Palestinians, not all of them are Muslims.

In sum, while you may see individual Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, the Quran does not teach us to hate them. Muslims are to treat Jews and Christians—indeed, all people—with respect, kindness, and justice while making their closest friends and allies among fellow Muslims. Only if the others begin hostilities may Muslims fight back.
Please read this thoroughly, it will answer your wuestion and shed a better light on islam for you.

itstorekeeper:
#EzioAuditore, you have not answered my question. The quran 9:30 says " the Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them". Where in the Bible did you see " Islam and Muslims are perverts; fight them"? The old testament as I said is to state the laws of Moses which he Christ came and abolished. Deutronomey is in the old testament, no wonder Christ was not mentioned in any part of the old testament. Christians are of the New, sacrifice-less, war-less, violence-less. Christians are very ready to wait even for 2000 years to convert a Muslim, but Muslims do not allow Christians into their folds, right or wrong? When a Christian is somehow turned into Islam, his kinsmen laugh at him saying he is doing that for maybe contract or favour, he is also allowed association with even the priest who will like to convince him to come back to Christ in friendly manners, but when a Muslim is converted to Christianity, do you still allow him access to your worship places? Is he allowed to live maybe to discuss the religion or letting out the secret of the religion? All these still baffles me that I began to wonder if actually these two religions could make up a comfortable polity. I need clarification please.

Apparently you are the same person. Hostilities against muslims can't be mentioned in the bible because remember, it was 200 years later. My point is the atrocities against those who opposed moses.

In order to answer your question, I must clarify that there is a difference between what Islam says Muslims should do and what individual Muslims actually do. Just as you will find among Christians, Jews, and others those people who do not follow what their religion teaches, so, too, you will find Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Islam. This may be due to their ignorance of the correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah, or it may be due to their personal weaknesses and prejudices.

Your first question is whether Muslims hate Christians because they want to force the Quran on them. This assumes that Muslims hate Christians. Again, you will find that there are some Muslims who do hate Christians, but this is not what Islam teaches. Muslims are to respect both Christians and Jews as being People of the Book, that is, people who received revelation from God before the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, which is God’s final Scripture.

Muslims are not allowed to force the Quran on Christians or others. This is clear in the Quran in words that mean:

{There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error…} (Al-Baqarah 2:256)

While Muslims respect Jews and Christians as People of the Book, at the same time Muslims are cautioned not to take them as close friends. This does not mean that Muslims should not treat them with respect, kindness, and justice, nor that Muslims cannot socialize with them as long as they respect the limits of Islam - for example, that no alcohol is served. But it does mean that Muslims should seek personal advice and, on a national level, allies, from fellow Muslims.

The Quran gives guidance in how to deal with the People of the Book. It reads what means:

{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.} (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Quran also reads:

{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.} (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

Another verse reads what means:

{O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is [one] of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.} (Al-Maidah 5:51)

Then another verse reads what means:

{Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe [to be] the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe [to be] those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.} (Al-Maidah 5:82)

When Islam spread outside the Arab Peninsula, the Muslims did not force anyone to adopt their religion. Following the orders of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and his successors, they did not destroy churches, monasteries, synagogues, or even pagan temples. The Muslims established their rule based on the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Non-Muslims were allowed to keep their religions and personal status laws and even their own criminal laws for crimes committed among themselves.

Islam teaches us to try to live in peaceful coexistence with those of other faiths. Muslims are not to attack others unless they are attacked first. The Quran says what means:

{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

The Quran also reads what means:

{Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.} (Al-Mumtahana 60:

I don’t know whether, in asking your question, you are referring to a particular incident that you heard of. I have not heard of Muslims attacking Christians for the purpose of imposing the Quran on them. Sometimes there are conflicts or even full-scale wars that appear to be for religious reasons because the two sides are divided along religious lines. But, in fact, these are usually struggles for economic or political power.

I would like to add here that Muslims do abhor the methods used by some Christians to spread their version of Christianity. Such methods include slandering and lying against the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). In contrast, no Muslim would dream of slandering or lying against Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) because he is also a prophet of God and a messenger of Islam, that is, surrender to the will of God.

Muslims are ordered to invite others to Islam in this way stated in the Quran. The Quran reads what means:

{Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.} (An-Nahl 16:125)

As for your question about the Jews, I repeat, Muslims are to respect them for being People of the Book. When the Quran does criticize the Jews who did not follow God’s commands, the expression {among them there are some…} is always there, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad. When Muslims ruled by Islamic Law, Jews - and others - were free to practice their religion and flourished.

The fighting you see today in the Middle East is not about religion, but about economic and political power. We must always distinguish between Zionists — many of whom are even atheists — and Jews, many of whom oppose Zionism. Please read the links below for clarification of this subject.

Let me ask you this: If a lot of foreigners moved into your country and then, instead of living peacefully among you, took over the government, forced you out of your homes, cut most of the water going to you, gave you no voice in the government, searched you whenever you entered a house of worship, humiliated you in numerous ways, threatened you with guns and tanks, and so on, wouldn’t you—the original residents—be angry and fight back in any way you could? And if those foreigners who took over happened to be of a different religion than the original residents, would the fighting be because of the religious differences? Possibly, but not necessarily. Remember that in the case of Palestinians, not all of them are Muslims.

In sum, while you may see individual Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, the Quran does not teach us to hate them. Muslims are to treat Jews and Christians—indeed, all people—with respect, kindness, and justice while making their closest friends and allies among fellow Muslims. Only if the others begin hostilities may Muslims fight back. Those verses about beheading and all that is during times of war, and that need not be said, kill or be killed but if they surrender or plead, you may not touch them.
Please read this thoroughly, it will answer your wuestion and shed a better light on islam for you.

itstorekeeper:
#EzioAuditore, you have not answered my question. The quran 9:30 says " the Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them". Where in the Bible did you see " Islam and Muslims are perverts; fight them"? The old testament as I said is to state the laws of Moses which he Christ came and abolished. Deutronomey is in the old testament, no wonder Christ was not mentioned in any part of the old testament. Christians are of the New, sacrifice-less, war-less, violence-less. Christians are very ready to wait even for 2000 years to convert a Muslim, but Muslims do not allow Christians into their folds, right or wrong? When a Christian is somehow turned into Islam, his kinsmen laugh at him saying he is doing that for maybe contract or favour, he is also allowed association with even the priest who will like to convince him to come back to Christ in friendly manners, but when a Muslim is converted to Christianity, do you still allow him access to your worship places? Is he allowed to live maybe to discuss the religion or letting out the secret of the religion? All these still baffles me that I began to wonder if actually these two religions could make up a comfortable polity. I need clarification please.

Apparently you are the same person. Hostilities against muslims can't be mentioned in the bible because remember, it was 200 years later. My point is the atrocities against those who opposed moses.

In order to answer your question, I must clarify that there is a difference between what Islam says Muslims should do and what individual Muslims actually do. Just as you will find among Christians, Jews, and others those people who do not follow what their religion teaches, so, too, you will find Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Islam. This may be due to their ignorance of the correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah, or it may be due to their personal weaknesses and prejudices.

Your first question is whether Muslims hate Christians because they want to force the Quran on them. This assumes that Muslims hate Christians. Again, you will find that there are some Muslims who do hate Christians, but this is not what Islam teaches. Muslims are to respect both Christians and Jews as being People of the Book, that is, people who received revelation from God before the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, which is God’s final Scripture.

Muslims are not allowed to force the Quran on Christians or others. This is clear in the Quran in words that mean:

{There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error…} (Al-Baqarah 2:256)

While Muslims respect Jews and Christians as People of the Book, at the same time Muslims are cautioned not to take them as close friends. This does not mean that Muslims should not treat them with respect, kindness, and justice, nor that Muslims cannot socialize with them as long as they respect the limits of Islam - for example, that no alcohol is served. But it does mean that Muslims should seek personal advice and, on a national level, allies, from fellow Muslims.

The Quran gives guidance in how to deal with the People of the Book. It reads what means:

{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.} (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Quran also reads:

{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.} (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

Another verse reads what means:

{O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is [one] of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.} (Al-Maidah 5:51)

Then another verse reads what means:

{Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe [to be] the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe [to be] those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.} (Al-Maidah 5:82)

When Islam spread outside the Arab Peninsula, the Muslims did not force anyone to adopt their religion. Following the orders of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and his successors, they did not destroy churches, monasteries, synagogues, or even pagan temples. The Muslims established their rule based on the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Non-Muslims were allowed to keep their religions and personal status laws and even their own criminal laws for crimes committed among themselves.

Islam teaches us to try to live in peaceful coexistence with those of other faiths. Muslims are not to attack others unless they are attacked first. The Quran says what means:

{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

The Quran also reads what means:

{Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.} (Al-Mumtahana 60:

I don’t know whether, in asking your question, you are referring to a particular incident that you heard of. I have not heard of Muslims attacking Christians for the purpose of imposing the Quran on them. Sometimes there are conflicts or even full-scale wars that appear to be for religious reasons because the two sides are divided along religious lines. But, in fact, these are usually struggles for economic or political power.

I would like to add here that Muslims do abhor the methods used by some Christians to spread their version of Christianity. Such methods include slandering and lying against the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). In contrast, no Muslim would dream of slandering or lying against Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) because he is also a prophet of God and a messenger of Islam, that is, surrender to the will of God.

Muslims are ordered to invite others to Islam in this way stated in the Quran. The Quran reads what means:

{Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.} (An-Nahl 16:125)

As for your question about the Jews, I repeat, Muslims are to respect them for being People of the Book. When the Quran does criticize the Jews who did not follow God’s commands, the expression {among them there are some…} is always there, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad. When Muslims ruled by Islamic Law, Jews - and others - were free to practice their religion and flourished.

The fighting you see today in the Middle East is not about religion, but about economic and political power. We must always distinguish between Zionists — many of whom are even atheists — and Jews, many of whom oppose Zionism.

Let me ask you this: If a lot of foreigners moved into your country and then, instead of living peacefully among you, took over the government, forced you out of your homes, cut most of the water going to you, gave you no voice in the government, searched you whenever you entered a house of worship, humiliated you in numerous ways, threatened you with guns and tanks, and so on, wouldn’t you—the original residents—be angry and fight back in any way you could? And if those foreigners who took over happened to be of a different religion than the original residents, would the fighting be because of the religious differences? Possibly, but not necessarily. Remember that in the case of Palestinians, not all of them are Muslims.

In sum, while you may see individual Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, the Quran does not teach us to hate them. Muslims are to treat Jews and Christians—indeed, all people—with respect, kindness, and justice while making their closest friends and allies among fellow Muslims. Only if the others begin hostilities may Muslims fight back. Those verses about beheading and all that is during times of war (they fought with swords back then), and that need not be said, kill or be killed but if they surrender or plead, you may not touch them.
Please read this thoroughly, it will answer your wuestion and shed a better light on islam for you.

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EzioAuditore:


Apparently you are the same person. Hostilities against muslims can't be mentioned in the bible because remember, it was 200 years later. My point is the atrocities against those who opposed moses.

In order to answer your question, I must clarify that there is a difference between what Islam says Muslims should do and what individual Muslims actually do. Just as you will find among Christians, Jews, and others those people who do not follow what their religion teaches, so, too, you will find Muslims who do not follow the teachings of Islam. This may be due to their ignorance of the correct understanding of the Quran and Sunnah, or it may be due to their personal weaknesses and prejudices.

Your first question is whether Muslims hate Christians because they want to force the Quran on them. This assumes that Muslims hate Christians. Again, you will find that there are some Muslims who do hate Christians, but this is not what Islam teaches. Muslims are to respect both Christians and Jews as being People of the Book, that is, people who received revelation from God before the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the revelation of the Quran, which is God’s final Scripture.

Muslims are not allowed to force the Quran on Christians or others. This is clear in the Quran in words that mean:

{There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error…} (Al-Baqarah 2:256)

While Muslims respect Jews and Christians as People of the Book, at the same time Muslims are cautioned not to take them as close friends. This does not mean that Muslims should not treat them with respect, kindness, and justice, nor that Muslims cannot socialize with them as long as they respect the limits of Islam - for example, that no alcohol is served. But it does mean that Muslims should seek personal advice and, on a national level, allies, from fellow Muslims.

The Quran gives guidance in how to deal with the People of the Book. It reads what means:

{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.} (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Quran also reads:

{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.} (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

Another verse reads what means:

{O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is [one] of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.} (Al-Maidah 5:51)

Then another verse reads what means:

{Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe [to be] the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe [to be] those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.} (Al-Maidah 5:82)

When Islam spread outside the Arab Peninsula, the Muslims did not force anyone to adopt their religion. Following the orders of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and his successors, they did not destroy churches, monasteries, synagogues, or even pagan temples. The Muslims established their rule based on the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Non-Muslims were allowed to keep their religions and personal status laws and even their own criminal laws for crimes committed among themselves.

Islam teaches us to try to live in peaceful coexistence with those of other faiths. Muslims are not to attack others unless they are attacked first. The Quran says what means:

{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

The Quran also reads what means:

{Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers.} (Al-Mumtahana 60:

I don’t know whether, in asking your question, you are referring to a particular incident that you heard of. I have not heard of Muslims attacking Christians for the purpose of imposing the Quran on them. Sometimes there are conflicts or even full-scale wars that appear to be for religious reasons because the two sides are divided along religious lines. But, in fact, these are usually struggles for economic or political power.

I would like to add here that Muslims do abhor the methods used by some Christians to spread their version of Christianity. Such methods include slandering and lying against the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). In contrast, no Muslim would dream of slandering or lying against Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) because he is also a prophet of God and a messenger of Islam, that is, surrender to the will of God.

Muslims are ordered to invite others to Islam in this way stated in the Quran. The Quran reads what means:

{Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.} (An-Nahl 16:125)

As for your question about the Jews, I repeat, Muslims are to respect them for being People of the Book. When the Quran does criticize the Jews who did not follow God’s commands, the expression {among them there are some…} is always there, so that the good are not condemned along with the bad. When Muslims ruled by Islamic Law, Jews - and others - were free to practice their religion and flourished.

The fighting you see today in the Middle East is not about religion, but about economic and political power. We must always distinguish between Zionists — many of whom are even atheists — and Jews, many of whom oppose Zionism.

Let me ask you this: If a lot of foreigners moved into your country and then, instead of living peacefully among you, took over the government, forced you out of your homes, cut most of the water going to you, gave you no voice in the government, searched you whenever you entered a house of worship, humiliated you in numerous ways, threatened you with guns and tanks, and so on, wouldn’t you—the original residents—be angry and fight back in any way you could? And if those foreigners who took over happened to be of a different religion than the original residents, would the fighting be because of the religious differences? Possibly, but not necessarily. Remember that in the case of Palestinians, not all of them are Muslims.

In sum, while you may see individual Muslims who hate Christians and Jews, the Quran does not teach us to hate them. Muslims are to treat Jews and Christians—indeed, all people—with respect, kindness, and justice while making their closest friends and allies among fellow Muslims. Only if the others begin hostilities may Muslims fight back. Those verses about beheading and all that is during times of war (they fought with swords back then), and that need not be said, kill or be killed but if they surrender or plead, you may not touch them.
Please read this thoroughly, it will answer your wuestion and shed a better light on islam for you.

All these things you are saying apparently are right, but my question still remains " is the Quran 9:30 :- Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them", in the Quran or was it manipulated, that is all am asking. No religion preaches violence and I did not post this topic to tag any religion of terrorism. I just want to know if actually that is in the Quran or photoshoped. That's all

EzioAuditore:


Just as you're wrong about Porto shocking bayern, you're also dead wrong about Islam! The horrors perpetrated by christians in this world Muslims cannot possibly come close to that in 100 years!

So boko haram and isis are justified in their actions?! Keep it up!

kay1one2:


So boko haram and isis are justified in their actions?! Keep it up!

No! So stop playing the blame game. It's not the religion, that's what I want you to understand, who perpetrated 911? Al Qaeda? Lmao! If you actually think that then you're even more delusional than I thought.

itstorekeeper:
All these things you are saying apparently are right, but my question still remains " is the Quran 9:30 :- Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them", in the Quran or was it manipulated, that is all am asking. No religion preaches violence and I did not post this topic to tag any religion of terrorism. I just want to know if actually that is in the Quran or photoshoped. That's all

If you're saying your religion doesn't preach violence then you're a hypocrite! Don't give me that Old Testament crap because Jesus told you to no our it! That's what you Christians used back then to justify your crusades and even slavery, just because you decided to suppress it now like you do a lot of things in the bible that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. " the Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them" that's why I warned that you can't just single out verses of the Quran like that, that's not how the Quran works, also that's not the true translation, the true translation goes 30. And the Jews say:. Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! . Can you see how the Jews can twist the words of the holy Quran to cause mischief. Please you can confirm that translation in any Quran, be careful about what you listen to, Islam as always, remains a religion of peace, unless those who decide to fall into the traps of their will.

EzioAuditore:


No! So stop playing the blame game. It's not the religion, that's what I want you to understand, who perpetrated 911? Al Qaeda? Lmao! If you actually think that then you're even more delusional than I thought.

So "a bunch of nuns" supposedly carried out the attack but found it comfortable to use islam as a platform. That doesn't exonerate islam!