kay1one2:



So "a bunch of nuns" supposedly carried out the attack but found it comfortable to use islam as a platform. That doesn't exonerate islam!

Which nuns? There's a documentary by this atheist, it's called zeitgeist, it also delves into the issue of 911, you'll understand further, or better yet ask any educated American. The worst insult is when the predicted the attack in "Johnny Bravo", yes the cartoon, Google it if you want. I'm saying 911 is the hallmark of terrorist activities, it is what turned the world against Muslims completely, who perpetrated it? I strongly recommend you look for the zeitgeist documentary.

EzioAuditore:


Which nuns? There's a documentary by this atheist, it's called zeitgeist, it also delves into the issue of 911, you'll understand further, or better yet ask any educated American. The worst insult is when the predicted the attack in "Johnny Bravo", yes the cartoon, Google it if you want. I'm saying 911 is the hallmark of terrorist activities, it is what turned the world against Muslims completely, who perpetrated it? I strongly recommend you look for the zeitgeist documentary.

It was carried out by muslims!

kay1one2:


It was carried out by muslims!

Of course it was, continue living in an ignorant world. I guess all the warnings by foreign and internal intelligence to the U.S. of impending attack was ignored because Americans don't care about security right? I guess celebrities like Michael Jackson, mark wahlberg, Seth macfarlane and the rest who pulled out at the last minute for reasons ranging from flu, bed sickness and other stupid excuses, they did so because God loves celebrities. I guess the video of a plane crashing into two buildings with a monologue of coming soon in Johnny bravo was a coincidence. I guess the twin explosions that were heard by victims and seen by witnesses and caught on video right before the planes crashed was also a coincidence. Ask any structural engineer, a plane on its own is not capable of utterly causing the collapse of two buildings, especially the size of the World Trade Center! But if ignorance is what you choose to continue living in, you may believe whatever you want. "Let's blame the Muslims" as usual.

EzioAuditore:


Of course it was, continue living in an ignorant world. I guess all the warnings by foreign and internal intelligence to the U.S. of impending attack was ignored because Americans don't care about security right? I guess celebrities like Michael Jackson, mark wahlberg, Seth macfarlane and the rest who pulled out at the last minute for reasons ranging from flu, bed sickness and other stupid excuses, they did so because God loves celebrities. I guess the video of a plane crashing into two buildings with a monologue of coming soon in Johnny bravo was a coincidence. I guess the twin explosions that were heard by victims and seen by witnesses and caught on video right before the planes crashed was also a coincidence. Ask any structural engineer, a plane on its own is not capable of utterly causing the collapse of two buildings, especially the size of the World Trade Center! But if ignorance is what you choose to continue living in, you may believe whatever you want. "Let's blame the Muslims" as usual.

Please open a thread in the technology or politics section about this your re.tarded theory and lets see the kind of response you'll get! Ode!

kay1one2:


Please open a thread in the technology or politics section about this your re.tarded theory and lets see the kind of response you'll get! Ode!

Lmao! I never expected you to understand! If even the americans that were affected can see past this charade then it takes a special kind of pillock to reject clear evidences. Like I said, I never expected you to understand, you my friend have a tiny mind, its not your fault.

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! I never expected you to understand! If even the americans that were affected can see past this charade then it takes a special kind of pillock to reject clear evidences. Like I said, I never expected you to understand, you my friend have a tiny mind, its not your fault.

No problem. Why are you now scared for throwing it into the open for more discussion? !

kay1one2:


No problem. Why are you now scared for throwing it into the open for more discussion? !

No need for opening old wounds. You should know by now that I fear no one but the Almighty himself.

EzioAuditore:


No need for opening old wounds. You should know by now that I fear no one but the Almighty himself.

I have a better theory. It won't hold water!

kay1one2:


I have a better theory. It won't hold water!

Maybe if every ones mind was as tiny as yours, but honestly IDGAF! You can believe whatever you want to believe! aim is to make sure no one spreads lies about my religion, you can do whatever you want. You can go back to worshipping your pagan God if you want, it's not my bum that's on the line.

EzioAuditore:


Maybe if every ones mind was as tiny as yours, but honestly IDGAF! You can believe whatever you want to believe! aim is to make sure no one spreads lies about my religion, you can do whatever you want. You can go back to worshipping your pagan God if you want, it's not my bum that's on the line.

You are not far from full blown psychosis! Once a person starts believing in theories that make sense to them alone and not bothering what anyone has to say.... . schizophrenia is around the corner! Get help soon! Or well!

kay1one2:


You are not far from full blown psychosis! Once a person starts believing in theories that make sense to them alone and not bothering what anyone has to say.... . schizophrenia is around the corner! Get help soon! Or well!

I am not the only person who believes the theory, I'm just saying I don't care what bellends like you think. "My works are visionary , that which is made explicit to the idiott is not worth my time".

Cc: EzioAuditore
your hypocritical statement has been too long and tedious to digest... i'd like to bring to your notice that we christians are adherents to the teachings and virtues of christ who was a peaceful character and even healed one of the soldiers ordered to arrest him on the eve of his crucifixion, all the above excerpts from the old testament were carried out by the jews in the course of claiming the promised land and future military exploits carried out afterwards by the likes of david, maccabees, etc. were also for reclaiming this designated territory, and not for the purpose of aggresively enforcing a primitive religion on unwilling gentiles even at the pain of death..
muhammad himself allegedly massacred at total of 900 jews (his ancestral relatives, sons of abraham)

Angelou:
Cc: EzioAuditore
your hypocritical statement has been too long and tedious to digest... i'd like to bring to your notice that we christians are adherents to the teachings and virtues of christ who was a peaceful character and even healed one of the soldiers ordered to arrest him on the eve of his crucifixion, all the above excerpts from the old testament were carried out by the jews in the course of claiming the promised land and future military exploits carried out afterwards by the likes of david, maccabees, etc. were also for reclaiming this designated territory, and not for the purpose of aggresively enforcing a primitive religion on unwilling gentiles even at the pain of death..
muhammad himself allegedly massacred at total of 900 jews (his ancestral relatives, sons of abraham)

I'd like to bring you to notice that we Muslims follow the religion of peace, we believe in "an eye for an eye" because admit it, the whole"turn the other cheek" thing is because, don't get me wrong, patience is rewarded but a just retaliation is allowed but after that there is no reward. Muhammad has never provoked a battle on his own, all wars fought by he and his people were perpetrated by those who seek to destroy islam and its message. We never force our religion because as Allah SWT says, "there's no compulsion in religion" and he warned us to call towards islam with understanding and compassion.

Read this as to the so called "innocent Jews" Muhammad "massacred"

" The Muslims had hardly finished the preparations when the formidable army of the confederates consisting of 24,000 trained warriors, one of the largest forces ever assembled in the history of Arabia, knocked at the gates of Medina with determination to crush Islam. The whole of Arabia was thirsting for Muslim blood. It was critical juncture that a huge number of hypocrites seceded from the Holy Prophet on one pretext or the other. Banu Qurayzah who had been his ally, also deserted to the hostile camp since Huyayy b. Akhtab the head of the Banu Nadir had promised them all kinds of concessions and rewards.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) deuputed Sa'd b. Mu'adh and Sa'd b. 'Ubadah to negotiate with them and persuade them to honour their agreements with the Prophet. All the attempts of these devoted sons of Islam were futile. It was an hour of distress for the Muslims.

We do not thirst for the blood of christians and Jews as people want you to believe as the Quran preaches:
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:113-114)"

The Quran is a peaceful book, forget what people want you to believe

Let us look at Noble Verse 13:22 "Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish regular prayers; spend out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home."

Let us look at Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say."

Let us look at Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."

Let us look at Noble Verse 28:54 "Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert evil with good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them."

Let us look at Noble Verse 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong.".

Here's Muhammad showing such mercy

“A number of Jews came to the Prophet and instead of offering the proper greeting, they said: ‘As-Saam alaikum’. The Prophet answered: ‘And to you.’ His wife, Aishah, was nearby and she said: ‘And to you be death and God’s curse.’ The Prophet told her to be patient and cool down. She said: ‘Have you not heard what they said.’ The Prophet said: ‘Yes, I have, and I replied. Our wish will be answered while theirs will not.’” (Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad and Muslim).

Having said that there were many incidents of the Prophet 's kindness to these people.

It is reported that a funeral of a Jew passed before the Prophet (peace be upon him). As a sign of respect, the Prophet stood up. The Prophet was asked "Why did you stand up for a Jewish funeral?" The Prophet replied, "Is it not a human soul?" (Al-Bukhari).

Upon learning of the sickness of his Jewish neighbor, Prophet Muhammad [peace and blessings be upon him] paid him a visit. During the visit the Prophet [peace and blessings be upon him] asked the young man to accept Islam. The young man looked at his father for a permission. The father assented and the young man accepted Islam. (See Sahih Bukhari, Tradition Number 1356).

And the same with the Sahabah.

Mujahid reported that a sheep was slaughtered for 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr. He asked his slave, 'Have you given any to our Jewish neighbour? Have you given any to our Jewish neighbour? I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'Jibril kept on recommending that I treat my neighbours well until I thought that he would order me to treat them as my heirs.'" [Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari]

Mujahid said, "I was with 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr while his slave was skinning a sheep. He said, 'Boy! When you finish, start with the Jewish neighbour.' A man there exclaimed, 'Jewish? May Allah correct you!' He replied, 'I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, recommend that we treat our neighbours well until we feared (or we thought) that he would order us to make them our heirs.'" [Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari]

EzioAuditore
by virtue of your quranic quotations, i can observe that you are a very nature and diplomatic muslim and so i will like to interact with you as one... my questions are:
why do some muslims tend to despise adherents of other religions and label then as "infidels" or unbelievers"?
why has islam made christianity it's main object of criticism for the past centuries and making unruly statements above the bible such statement which if reverse be the case would have caused violent uprisings on the side of the moslems ()to

Angelou:
EzioAuditore
by virtue of your quranic quotations, i can observe that you are a very nature and diplomatic muslim and so i will like to interact with you as one... my questions are:
why do some muslims tend to despise adherents of other religions and label then as "infidels" or unbelievers"?
why has islam made christianity it's main object of criticism for the past centuries and making unruly statements above the bible such statement which if reverse be the case would have caused violent uprisings on the side of the moslems ()to

1- A Muslim calling a Christian an infidel would be inaccurate but a Muslim calling a Christian an unbeliever would be accurate, because just like christians believe Muslims are unbelievers for not believing Jesus (pbuh) is God, we believe christians are unbelievers because they don't believe in Muhammad (pbuh). But it is wrong to directly use these terms as a derogatory term or if certain people find it offensive.

"O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. (The Noble Quran, 49:11)"

2- Some Ignorant Muslims are brainwashed by even more ignorant Muslims to attack, some people are just looking for an outlet and use religion as an excuse, some people believe that because they are doing so because they love the prophet, but I like most Muslims do not agree with that because those who love the prophet will not act in such manner, like the charlie hebdo attack shouldn't have happened, a stench warning should have been enough. Take this for instance:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him tried to migrate from Mecca to the city of Al-Ta'if, the pagans there had their own children throw rocks on the Prophet until his face and body were swollen and bleeding. The Prophet peace be upon him prayed for the people of Al-Ta'if to be Guided to Islam. And ultimately they were Guided and they embraced Islam.

This is even worse than slander or cartoon, this is direct assault but the prophet did not retaliate, rather he prayed for him. Many hadiths report that the prophet has never retaliated for personal revenge.

Suratul Baqarah 2:252
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.


"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

Am not really in support of religious arguement.one of the poster quoted some verses from the old testament to support his assertion of violence/war in Christianity but if u take a diper look into those scriptures u will discover that majority boils down to territorial integrity,it is the duty of every nation to defend their territories from external aggression now isreal being a religious nation never went to war with any nation to impose it's religion on them but to defends it's territory.and in so doing sought God's protection just as in the case of barack nd deborah and so on and on the event of such God's response was documented in the bible it was not a command to war but God's protection for isreal as a nation. Eziauditore's arguement on hitler shows that he is not good student of history. Now hitler during the period of nazi Germany did not fight to uplift Christianity he fought for the "superiority of the german race" unlikethe likes of boko haram,ISIL(world's most deadliest terror group)Taliban,alshabab and so on whose sole aim is to spread Islam with their instruments of terror and death.(chai there is God o)

darfay:
Am not really in support of religious arguement.one of the poster quoted some verses from the old testament to support his assertion of violence/war in Christianity but if u take a diper look into those scriptures u will discover that majority boils down to territorial integrity,it is the duty of every nation to defend their territories from external aggression now isreal being a religious nation never went to war with any nation to impose it's religion on them but to defends it's territory.and in so doing sought God's protection just as in the case of barack nd deborah and so on and on the event of such God's response was documented in the bible it was not a command to war but God's protection for isreal as a nation. Eziauditore's arguement on hitler shows that he is not good student of history. Now hitler during the period of nazi Germany did not fight to uplift Christianity he fought for the "superiority of the german race" unlikethe likes of boko haram,ISIL(world's most deadliest terror group)Taliban,alshabab and so on whose sole aim is to spread Islam with their instruments of terror and death.(chai there is God o)

Read through the whole post mate, you'll understand where I'm coming from. I mentioned that some People are not fighting for islam but for some other reasons but because they are "Muslims", islam gets the blame. Read between the lines mate, don't come out all guns blazing and end up sounding like a git, I'd like to think you're not one so. Please read between the lines.

@Ezioauditore am less concerned. About other muslim fighting for something else am worried about those promoting inslam through violence and blood shed.take a closer(not too close if don't wana get blown up)look at the likes of boko haram and ISIL that has been waging war on peaceful communities, carrying out forcerceful convertion to Islam,declaring Islamic caliphate.let's argue no further coz at the after life who will all know who waz right and who waz wrong.and I pray it wouldn't b 2 late.God bless u from zion and may the peace of our lord Jesus Christ b upon u. SHALOM

darfay:
@Ezioauditore am less concerned. About other muslim fighting for something else am worried about those promoting inslam through violence and blood shed.take a closer(not too close if don't wana get blown up)look at the likes of boko haram and ISIL that has been waging war on peaceful communities, carrying out forcerceful convertion to Islam,declaring Islamic caliphate.let's argue no further coz at the after life who will all know who waz right and who waz wrong.and I pray it wouldn't b 2 late.God bless u from zion and may peace of our lord Jesus b upon u. SHALOM

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.-The Noble Quran 2:252


"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"

Do you now see why these people are carrying out their wishes and not that of God and islam?

itstorekeeper:
#EziAuditore, your text is a very long one. I endured reading it till the end, but I did not see anywhere islam was mentioned as enemies of the Christians or can you point out? Jesus is not Moses and did not preach tit for that. We are Christians and not Mosesians. Christ started with New testament. The old testament was included as a deterrent. In the old testament there was animal sacrifices, but Christ died in the New testament where he bore our sacrifices. To prove your claim, from Mathew to Revelation where we Christians abound, show me where violence was preached. We do like Christ and not Mosaic laws of tit for tat. Can you dispute this?

Did moses form these laws or was it given to him by God?

tartar9:
that's the old testament
we use the the NT,he wasn't in his right senses there

Assalamualaykum wa rahmatullahi brother. I think the old testament excuse doesn't work these days, try " you need the holy spirit to understand such verses" since God works in mysterious ways. These Christians won't kill me with laughter