Seyigoy:

The VP is not holy, none of them is!!! Its simply politics. I think Atiku has a case to answer, his hands are not clean. Its not a vendatta by the President.

The VP broke the rules, he accused his boss in public. No matter his personal opinions he should have kept it to himself or resigned.

joshO:


Abubakar Atiku is potentially, the most corrupt man to walk our land. The only reason his wealth hasn't surpassed IBB's is because he hasn't been president, and his wings were clipped in his second terms as VP. He is incorageous, extremely greedy and power drunk. You guys talk of OBJ, thank God you don't have an Atiku to grapple with as President, and thank God OBJ is seeing to it he never gets there. One day we'll all discover that he has done us a great favour.

The number of house Atiku owns in choice areas in London is only a tip of the iceberg. He will explain to us one day how he acquired oil blocks in Equitorial Guinea and Nigeria that he has sold on and become dollar billionaire in the process,

Atiku commands more clout in the Nigeria press due to his influence borne out of the same curruption, avarice, patronage and greed that we talk about. Therefore, his image is sufficiently laundered so he appears like a 'victim', Victim my foot!!! The only think he'll be a victim off is his greed and ambition.

God forbid a man like this as President.

I can't hold brief for OBJ as I'm not in a position to do so. However, he is a relatively crude and unsophisticated with some traits that leaves a lot to be desired.

But I can say a thing or two about Atiku, because I am aware , but that conversation for another day. Abubakar Atiku is potentially, the most corrupt man to walk our land. The only reason his wealth hasn't surpassed IBB's is because he hasn't been president, and his wings were clipped in his second terms as VP. He is incorageous, extremely greedy and power drunk. You guys talk of OBJ, thank God you don't have an Atiku to grapple with as President, and thank God OBJ is seeing to it he never gets there. One day we'll all discover that he has done us a great favour.

The number of house Atiku owns in choice areas in London is only a tip of the iceberg. He will explain to us one day how he acquired oil blocks in Equitorial Guinea and Nigeria that he has sold on and become dollar billionaire in the process,

Atiku commands more clout in the Nigeria press due to his influence borne out of the same curruption, avarice, patronage and greed that we talk about. Therefore, his image is sufficiently laundered so he appears like a 'victim', Victim my foot!!! The only think he'll be a victim off is his greed and ambition.

God forbid a man like this as President.

What I talk about is already public knowledge, known to the EFCC and the presidency. For reasons best known to the authorities, some allegations have been left out. Also, it's often difficult to prove a case of currupt enrichment, even if you're dead certain. I can be living in my fathers house, know full well he owns the house, but be unable to prove it, because ours is a nation of front men and front companies.

The battle between OBJ and Atiku is probarbly a case of dishonour amongst thieves, therefore Atiku does not get my sympathy. As I will not shed tears should a notorious gang leader decides to 'take out' his rival, I will not loose sleep over this issue as the ultimate benefit is to the masses. If Atiku goes down, it's one less thief to worry about. OBJ's day will come. Whatever process takes them out of the picture gets my support.

We need a new dawn in Nigeria, driven by younger, dynamic people, not the master riggers (in ACD and PDP) distorting the political landscape as leaders. Isn't it an irony. Atiku is a billlionaire, do doubt. Even he suggests that in speeches he's made in the past. So can he tell the world where the money came from. That much he owes the country. I was infuriated by his recent story of N31,000 seed money!! At least, with OBJ, his companies are well documented even if there are questions to be answered.

Atiku (Turaki Vanguard, ACD, PDP, AD - soon ANPP I'm told)!! Come on. Doesn't that in itself speak volumes about the man. Leadership requires principle, not the grab and dominate habit of this discondant and greedy number No2. He lacks character.

I just can't imagine Dick Cheney or John Prescot taking on the president in the US or prime minister in the UK, or joining / forming a rival party whilst still being VP. This will not even happen in Ghana or SA. Let him step down in a principled manner and take on the president with the evidence at his disposal. Why do leaders in this country find it so hard to resign out of principle!! We sure need men and women of character. Like Gani said, tAtiku's resignation will go a long way in fostering his credibility.

joshO:

What I talk about is already public knowledge, known to the EFCC and the presidency. For reasons best known to the authorities, some allegations have been left out. Also, it's often difficult to prove a case of currupt enrichment, even if you're dead certain. I can be living in my fathers house, know full well he owns the house, but be unable to prove it, because ours is a nation of front men and front companies.

joshO:

The battle between OBJ and Atiku is probarbly a case of dishonour amongst thieves, therefore Atiku does not get my sympathy. As I will not shed tears should a notorious gang leader decides to 'take out' his rival, I will not loose sleep over this issue as the ultimate benefit is to the masses. If Atiku goes down, it's one less thief to worry about. OBJ's day will come. Whatever process takes them out of the picture gets my support.

joshO:

We need a new dawn in Nigeria, driven by younger, dynamic people, not the master riggers (in ACD and PDP) distorting the political landscape as leaders. Isn't it an irony. Atiku is a billlionaire, do doubt. Even he suggests that in speeches he's made in the past. So can he tell the world where the money came from. That much he owes the country. I was infuriated by his recent story of N31,000 seed money!! At least, with OBJ, his companies are well documented even if there are questions to be answered.

joshO:

Atiku (Turaki Vanguard, ACD, PDP, AD - soon ANPP I'm told)!! Come on. Doesn't that in itself speak volumes about the man. Leadership requires principle, not the grab and dominate habit of this discondant and greedy number No2. He lacks character.

joshO:

I just can't imagine Dick Cheney or John Prescot taking on the president in the US or prime minister in the UK, or joining / forming a rival party whilst still being VP. This will not even happen in Ghana or SA. Let him step down in a principled manner and take on the president with the evidence at his disposal. Why do leaders in this country find it so hard to resign out of principle!! We sure need men and women of character. Like Gani said, tAtiku's resignation will go a long way in fostering his credibility.

Iyke-D:

To All Atiku Lovers/Supporters,

It appears that the most reason given for not wanting the removal of Atiku is that OBJ
is also corrupt.

Iyke-D:

Lets try something different for a change. Since OBJ calls all the shots, it is impossible for
EFCC to really move against him at this point. Should we then fold our hands and not do
anything about anyone else? I think not, the EFCC report/recommendation should be
taken very seriously and if that means the end of Atiku so be it. When the next admin
comes in, it will be time to revisit OBJ - he should also be given the same royal treatment
if found guilty.
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No,  this is not a good recommendtion for ridding the country of corruption.  We cannot arrive at the democratic crossroad until we are able to stop those we have elected into office from committing actions that are against the commonwealth i.e. corrupt enrichment.  Are you aware that the President of Israel got busted recently by the police for sex offences? We should be able to make our elected representatives accountable while in office not when they have left.

Iyke-D link=topic=22752.msg600613#msg600613 date=1157902899:

We can't wait until ALL the crooks in government both past and present are all arrested,
tried at the same, and sent to jail for their offenses AT THE SAME time. ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!
We must start from somewhere. The real question should be whether people are being
framed or not, it shouldn't be because OBJ may have 200 million shares in Transcorp (not
proven, just an allegation anyway, ) or whether Adengua donated 1Billion to OBJ's Bell
Library.

I know you are a sceptic about the financial impropriety levied against OBJ.   How about checking this link to update your knowledge.
http://www.amanaonline.com/Articles/art_2167.htm
If you are still not convinced, let me know.

Iyke-D:

Guys think about it for a second, why on earth will OBJ go after a man that allegedly donated
1Billion naira to his school, how ridiculous can that be? And if that was to be true, shouldn't
we all be praising OBJ for refusing a bribe and going after rouges!

PEOPLE LETS CHANGE OUR THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can tell that you are not speaking from the vantage point of somebody who know nor have read much about the person or character of OBJ.  Otherwise, you will not write this.  Ask those he had used and dumped, and they will have a story to tell you.  Need an example, how about Okonjo-Iweala? Ask Governor Bola Tinubu, and those former governors of AD in the West. I can also tell that you do not appreciate that the intention is/was not to humilate Adenuga, or as you put it refusal to be bribed.  No, it is a kind of collateral damage, an inevitable course of action you take to achieve your objective.

The beauty of democracy is we can all hold different views about an issue.  We can disagree to agree but what is important is that our intention and motivation should be to improve the common good.  Thinking along the same line does not allow the individual mind to explore alternatives.

joshO:

I can't hold brief for OBJ as I'm not in a position to do so

i see. but you are in a position to hold brief for Atiku, Abi?


. But I can say a thing or two about Atiku, because I am aware.

Aware? please tell us what you know





. The only reason his wealth hasn't surpassed IBB's is because he hasn't been president,

i Salute! accountant general of the Atikus and IBB. we are very honoured with this privildeged information

and his wings were clipped in his second terms as VP. He is incorageous, extremely greedy and power drunk. You guys talk of OBJ, thank God you don't have an Atiku to grapple with as President, and thank God OBJ is seeing to it he never gets there. One day we'll all discover that he has done us a great favour.

The number of house Atiku owns in choice areas in London is only a tip of the iceberg.

Estate agent and accountant general please prove your point and makes us understand this is more than a cofee and market gossip as your Mentor ObJ described IBB's wrong doings to foreigners.


He will explain to us one day how he acquired oil blocks in Equitorial Guinea and Nigeria that he has sold on and become dollar billionaire in the process,

deal facilitator. Jack of all trade. hmmm i salute oh