HMMMM HMMMMM!!!. Me I want to be everything ooo. Igbo, Ijaw, Yoruba, Igala, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Kalabari, Efik, Nupe, Takpa, even Hausa (the original Hausa not Islamized Hausa), Why are you guys arguing over differences? Be all you can be but know and remember who you are!!.

Aren't you guys black? aren't you guys Africans? What's the difference? just the way people sound? is that how you judge nowadays? Get over it people we are all superior or inferior!!!!

@Ibime

Do not mind Igbo people. They will claim the entire RV,BY and DT state is Igboland but turn around to call the inhabitants lazy drunks. The notion that the Igbo and Ijaw would need to unite to have a voice is a sane one but is unworkable given the disdain the Igbos have for the Ijaws. It is evident on this forum and is even worse when you enter any big market in PH. The Ijaws should continue their struggle to have a voice in this sham of a country until they are heard and become equal stakeholders or till the country disintegrates.

I personally do not think the Igbos and Ijaws can unite with all the bad blood about betrayal and theft.

@Udezue

You made some good points

Igbo people nobody wants to join them, no ethnic group
homeless idiots

tamme:

Igbo people nobody wants to join them, no ethnic group
homeless idiots

jajajajajajajajajaajjaaa That's ignorance and Igbos have a home in South East Nigeria. They also have a marketing place called Aba where almost all West Africans look to before they consider abroad. Now you make me love Igbos more!!! Keep bashing them like that, and I'll have every reason to learn Igbo and declare my self Igbo cause I'm always loving the underdogs(just my nature)

have you been to igbo towns? you call that home and when they are successful in another mans land, they dont go back and help their people, Pls no ethnic group in 2009 will want to join the igbo. its a fact

tamme:

have you been to igbo towns? you call that home and when they are successful in another mans land, they dont go back and help their people, Pls no ethnic group in 2009 will want to join the igbo. its a fact

Fortunately for me, I used to follow my friends to festivals from Port Harcourt. Though people get all aware when they say I'm Yoruba, they are only aware so they'll show me the beauty in their culture and want me to see it everytime they display the beauty in the culture. Everywhere in Nigeria is not okay to call home but we all have sentimental attachments to these places so will bash anyone bashing our homes. So I expect the Igbos to bash you now. My own bashing is that you are ignorant for not trying to go to Igboland before you call the Igbos homeless.

Igbos bash me hehehehe? what can they say, just look at calabar today(end of discussion) and yet the igbos cry that the federal govt discriminates igbos, Just look at fed govt, you actually see more igbos than efik/ibibios in the govt.

The fact is igbos are greedy, an igbo man cares about himself and not his people.
My people will never get into that kind of mistake again

ow11:

@Ibime

Do not mind Igbo people. They will claim the entire RV,BY and DT state is Igboland but turn around to call the inhabitants lazy drunks. The notion that the Igbo and Ijaw would need to unite to have a voice is a sane one but is unworkable given the disdain the Igbos have for the Ijaws. It is evident on this forum and is even worse when you enter any big market in PH. The Ijaws should continue their struggle to have a voice in this sham of a country until they are heard and become equal stakeholders or till the country disintegrates.

I personally do not think the Igbos and Ijaws can unite with all the bad blood about betrayal and theft.

@Udezue

You made some good points

Now u made some ignorant comments that tells me you are part of the problem too. U see when u ppl make comments that Igbos are trying to claim RV, BY and DL u do nothing but drive a wedge btwn u and Igbos coz that is not true. How can Igbos be trying to claim anything when many of the people there are Igbo. Half of Delta state is Igbo. 70% of Rivers is Igbo. More than 90% of Bayelsa is Ijaw. Delta got Ijaw, Rivers got Ijaw. Facts are facts. No Igbo accuses u of trying to claim Ondo, Delta, Rivers, Akwaibom, when u talk about Ijaws over there. To try to deny the presence of Igbos in Rivers, Delta, Edo and even parts of Bayelsa is an insult and ignoranT. Do you possibly think that Igbos who number more than 50 million can only be found in the little SE? The President of Ohanaeze, Ralph Uwechue is from Anioma, Delta and the VP, Isaac Wonwu is from Rivers so that really makes ur comment irrelevant and should be seen as simply another lie. U call ppl non Igbo when it suits and then the next day they are Igbo to you.

You can't even talk about Igbos when Ijaws and Warri ppl have been slaughtering eachother. In Ondo its the samething. In Edo the Bini even warned Ijaw leaders to stay away from Edo affairs and not try to take what is not theirs. We can easily say that Ijaw ppl are land grabbers coz wherever they are the Edwin Clarks are busy sponsoring warfare btwn Ijaws and other ethnic groups who occupy the land. In Rivers some Ezes came together and warned Edwin Clark to stay away from Rivers and worry about Delta / Bayelsa coz he is very meddlesome in the affairs of the state.

Its crazy how u accuse Igbo people of doing something yet u are even worse. You say Igbos are not diplomatic. Fine Igbos gotta go learn diplomacy but the last time I checked Warri, Ondo wars, aint got a thing to do with Igbos. So please tell me. who needs to learn DIPLOMACY?

Unlike u I don't see what I can gain by saying that Kalabari and Okrika are not Ijaw ppl when many will rather not be called Ijaw sef. It is what it is to me. They are Ijaw just like Anioma is Igbo.

Igbos and Ijaw can unite when they learn to respect each other's culture and heritage and accept ppl for who they are. Don't sit there and claim one group is not Igbo then Igbo another day vice versa. Learn to respect ur mixture.

Dokubo Asari and Uwazuruike are working together and have the same lawyer so yeah an Ijaw and Igbo man work together. The ignorant ppl should stop talking trash.

All this nonsense about when this group arrived here and started speaking this language is irrelevant. You are all not liked and appreciated by Nigerians up north. If u like go and align with the North for a few crumbs. They will still kill u when they are done.

People use some COMMON SENSE.

@ Ow11,

You yarn am as e be.

Nothing more!

Tamme,

Please shut up. Are u here to talk trash? If so take ur ignorant self to comedy section. Idiot why don't you go stop ur people from murdering over 400 kids in Akwaibom coz they think they are witches. Ewu.

Calabar is nice no doubt. I like Donald Duke. Now go and work on Bakassi  and Akwaibom. U leave important matters to worry about Igbo issues.
Igbo are homeless? LOL. If moving to another place makes u homeless then we are all homeless coz Efiks are in the North, Enugu, Lagos, USA. Uyo people killed over 50 Hausa ppl b4 as reprisal for killing of Efik ppl in the North. In ur ignorant head u think na only Igbo ppl.

Bitch aint been to any part of Igbo land from PH to Enugu and she dey yarn dust.

tamme:

Igbos bash me hehehehe? what can they say, just look at calabar today(end of discussion) and yet the igbos cry that the federal govt discriminates igbos, Just look at fed govt, you actually see more igbos than efik/ibibios in the govt.

The fact is igbos are greedy, an igbo man cares about himself and not his people.
My people will never get into that kind of mistake again

You don't have to go and call them homeless and all those names. If we are bashing based on humour, let it be humour. But saying the Igbos are homeless and don't have a home is absolute ignorance. How about Calabar people in PH? I don't even want to speak of their living conditions. No one has a upper hand here. Calabar is built for folks with money. The average man is still cut out of the big picture. But Calabar fine ooooo!!!!!!

Ibime:

@ Ow11,

You yarn am as e be.

Nothing more!

Please say no more. The more u even talk the more damage u cause. There is nothing about u that suggests u want true reconciliation. U are just here to do Edwin Clark. U are not needed when it comes to bridging any gap.  People like you only set us back coz u still got ur archaic mentality.

Police have raided a private hospital in Nigeria where they suspect new-born babies were being sold to traffickers.

Police found the hospital in the south-eastern town of Enugu, when a 17-year-old girl escaped.

Four people - two nurses and the hospital's owners - have been arrested in connection with the "baby farm", police said.

Seven pregnant young women discovered in the hospital during the raid are now in the care of the state government.

Escape

State police commissioner Sani Magaji told the BBC Hausa service that a 17-year-old who was days away from giving birth had escaped from the hospital.

The women, according to the police, had spent up to six months in the hospital, waiting to give birth.

Their babies would be sold for as little as 15,000 naira ($127, £72), the police said.

It is suspected the babies were to be sold to traffickers who sell children into forced labour or prostitution.

The BBC's Abdussalam Ahmed in Enugu says several similar cases have been discovered in Nigeria in recent years.

Poor, unmarried women face tough choices if they get pregnant in Nigeria.

Unmarried mothers face exclusion from society, our correspondent says.

Abortion is illegal except in rare cases, and illegally obtained abortions are very dangerous.

In May, a Nigerian woman was jailed in the UK for trying to smuggle a baby into the country in order to get on the list for a council flat.

Police have not been able to trace the child's real parents.

the fact if Nigeria divides, it will divde into 6 countries
efik, Ijaw, ogoni, Urhobos, edo will not follow an igbo man

efik,ibibios, oron will have their own country
everybody should listen, Igbo people are very greedy people, they do things for their own interest,

tamme:

Police have raided a private hospital in Nigeria where they suspect new-born babies were being sold to traffickers.

Police found the hospital in the south-eastern town of Enugu, when a 17-year-old girl escaped.

Four people - two nurses and the hospital's owners - have been arrested in connection with the "baby farm", police said.

Seven pregnant young women discovered in the hospital during the raid are now in the care of the state government.

Escape

State police commissioner Sani Magaji told the BBC Hausa service that a 17-year-old who was days away from giving birth had escaped from the hospital.

The women, according to the police, had spent up to six months in the hospital, waiting to give birth.

Their babies would be sold for as little as 15,000 naira ($127, £72), the police said.

It is suspected the babies were to be sold to traffickers who sell children into forced labour or prostitution.

The BBC's Abdussalam Ahmed in Enugu says several similar cases have been discovered in Nigeria in recent years.

Poor, unmarried women face tough choices if they get pregnant in Nigeria.

Unmarried mothers face exclusion from society, our correspondent says.

Abortion is illegal except in rare cases, and illegally obtained abortions are very dangerous.

In May, a Nigerian woman was jailed in the UK for trying to smuggle a baby into the country in order to get on the list for a council flat.

Police have not been able to trace the child's real parents.

Tamme, let it go. How about the kids getting tortured for nothing but being kids of unfortunate parents in Akwa Ibom? You need to see people individually not stereotype a whole group of people. It's a failed analogy.

the fact is our land is doing better than igbo states
even with the bakassi gone, we are still doing well
Biafra that happened 100 years ago lol they are still complaining
Igbo land no infrastructure, very dead
go and fight with your kolanut eating eze's and leaders

LOL the BITCH is too dumb. I almost have a feeling she is really not Efik.

The Executive

There is no question of where we stand on the matter. Ndigbo had by electing and swearing in the following: Ambassador Raph Uwechue (President, Anioma, Delta State); Chief Nduka Eya, (Secretary, Enugu State), Chief Eddy Onuoha (Deputy Secretary, Imo State), Chief Garry Emwo-igariwey (Vice President, Ebonyi State), Chief Alozie Nwogu (Vice President Abia), Barr. Hyacinth Nweke, (Vice President, Anambra), Chief Chris Asoluka, (Vice President, Imo) Chief Isaac Wonwu, (Vice President, Rivers State), Chief Enechi Onyia (Vice President, Enugu), Chief Elder E. O. Okparanta (National Treasurer Abia) Elder Nweke Anyigor (National Financial Secretary, Ebonyi), Chief Ralph Ndigwe (National Publicity Secretary, Anambra) Chief Barr. Reuben Okoro (National Legal Adviser, Imo) Barr. Elder Oyibo Chukwu (Asst. National Legal Adviser, Enugu) Barr. I. O. Ahize (Asst. National Treasurer, Anambra), Barr. Ifeanyi Olunkwa (Asst. Publicity Secretary, Abia), [b][b]Chief Emmanuel Ajoku Alariche (Asst. National Financial Secretary, Rivers),[/b][/b] Dr. T. N. Atanmo (State chairman Anambra), Chief Chimkwe Ndimele, (Chairman, Abia), Dr. J. B. Okolle (Chairman, Imo), Chief Augustine Ogbonna (Chairman, Ebonyi), and Chief Obi Emeka Nwaka (Chairman, Anioma), as the National Executive Council, in Awka, by Justice Ononiba, on Friday January 30, 2009 made a good turn. We stand by that and warn that those who think Ndigbo would shy away from fighting head on this time around to have a rethink. All those who think they can take us for granted and continue rubbishing Ndigbo would meet with firm and honest opposition, and we assure them that their brazen attitudes would not go unchecked and would be countered.

http://www.igbofocus.co.uk/html/ohanaeze_news.html

Those who continue to spread falls lies about Igbos need to stop. Your lies won't stop Igbos from coming together.

@Ibime
I don't know what's worse, the abandoned property issue or your lame excuse for it? I'm happy you live in London, so homeless people take over people's houses and refuse to leave with government backing?

Of all the cities in post civil war Nigeria, why was port Harcourt the only one where "homeless" people took over people's houses supported by the government of Diette-Spiff? Now, because government promised Ijaw people Igbo people's property after the war, the government set very difficult standards for home owners to prove and show that the houses belong to them.

In London, you would agree that the government would have simply asked all squarters to vacate the houses ASAP, and then verify ownership of the returning home owners. In PH, the reverse was made the case so that my father's laborer would improve his chances of stealing my fathers property.

Forget all these Igbo-Ijaw yarns. We are all local politicians and local champions and we can yarn about Ijaw-Igbo history till the cock crows.

The problem with Nigeria (and the cause of inter-ethnic rivalry) lies in the constitution of Nigeria.

By declaring Nigeria to be a federation of states (formerly a federation of regions), the right to self-determination has been denied to all but the Yoruba and Hausa. Igbos, Efiks, Berons and Ijaws also have the right to self determination in some states but have significant populations trapped behind 'enemy lines' in other states.

Any ethnic minority trapped in a state controlled by another ethnic tribe is bound to suffer from a clash of cultures and will find itself regressing.

This is the case with the Igbo-speaking groups of Rivers State from 1970-1996, the Anioma-Igbos in Delta State, the Ijaws in Delta State, the Ijaws in Ondo, the Ijaws in the former Eastern Republic and the Ijaws in present day Rivers State - as well as many other tribes all over Nigeria (Igala, Nupe, Ogoni etc etc etc).

As long as we continue this unjust system, we will always have tribal conflict with each other, whether we are talking about Igbo-dominance of the former Eastern Region, Ijaw dominance of the former Rivers State or Igboid dominance of present day Rivers State.

If we accrue to all tribes of Nigeria the right to self determination, then all this nonsense yarns will end immediately.

Nigeria is a federation of tribes, not a federation of States.

Every tribe within the federation should have the right to administer itself and not have to suffer maladministration from another tribe.

We shall all administer ourselves and pay taxes to central Government.

By adopting this model, we will end tribal conflict in Nigeria IMMEDIATELY!

Then we will not have to talk about Biafra, MEND, OPC, MOSSOP, abandoned property, betrayal, lazy drunks etc.

This is the system of government Obafemi Awolowo proposed in 1947 and remains the most viable system of government till this day.

We keep talking about creating more states - in essence, all we are trying to do by creating new states is devolve power to tribes - a tacit admission that a federation of tribes is the only viable system of government for Nigeria.

Forget all these Igbo-Ijaw yarns. We are all local politicians and local champions and we can yarn about Ijaw-Igbo history till the cock crows.

The problem with Nigeria (and the cause of inter-ethnic rivalry) lies in the constitution of Nigeria.

By declaring Nigeria to be a federation of states (formerly a federation of regions), the right to self-determination has been denied to all but the Yoruba and Hausa. Igbos, Efiks, Berons and Ijaws also have the right to self determination in some states but have significant populations trapped behind 'enemy lines' in other states.

Any ethnic minority trapped in a state controlled by another ethnic tribe is bound to suffer from a clash of cultures and will find itself regressing.

This is the case with the Igbo-speaking groups of Rivers State from 1970-1996, the Anioma-Igbos in Delta State, the Ijaws in Delta State, the Ijaws in Ondo, the Ijaws in the former Eastern Republic and the Ijaws in present day Rivers State - as well as many other tribes all over Nigeria (Igala, Nupe, Ogoni etc etc etc).

As long as we continue this unjust system, we will always have tribal conflict with each other, whether we are talking about Igbo-dominance of the former Eastern Region, Ijaw dominance of the former Rivers State or Igboid dominance of present day Rivers State.

If we accrue to all tribes of Nigeria the right to self determination, then all this nonsense yarns will end immediately.

Nigeria is a federation of tribes, not a federation of States.

Every tribe within the federation should have the right to administer itself and not have to suffer maladministration from another tribe.

We shall all administer ourselves and pay taxes to central Government.

By adopting this model, we will end tribal conflict in Nigeria IMMEDIATELY!

Then we will not have to talk about Biafra, MEND, OPC, MOSSOP, abandoned property, betrayal, lazy drunks etc.

This is the system of government Obafemi Awolowo proposed in 1947 and remains the most viable system of Government till this day.

We keep talking about creating more states - in essence, all we are trying to do by creating new states is devolve power to tribes - a tacit admission that a federation of tribes is the only viable system of government for Nigeria.

I think you are making a lot of sense here, to ineptly support the idea of a federal Nigeria is dubious, and reeks of hidden Agenda, the Northern Nigeria and their western Nigeria Slaves would both reap the deserved fruit of their labour , the people from South south that acquired the Abandoned properties should consider returning them and apologise, cause what ever we do, the SE and SS would for ever live in the same geographical region, Odili some time ago even mentioned that, we are more related than we are ready to accept.

Ibime:

Forget all these Igbo-Ijaw yarns. We are all local politicians and local champions and we can yarn about Ijaw-Igbo history till the cock crows.

The problem with Nigeria (and the cause of inter-ethnic rivalry) lies in the constitution of Nigeria.

By declaring Nigeria to be a federation of states (formerly a federation of regions), the right to self-determination has been denied to all but the Yoruba and Hausa. Igbos, Efiks, Berons and Ijaws also have the right to self determination in some states but have significant populations trapped behind 'enemy lines' in other states.

Any ethnic minority trapped in a state controlled by another ethnic tribe is bound to suffer from a clash of cultures and will find itself regressing.

This is the case with the Igbo-speaking groups of Rivers State from 1970-1996, the Anioma-Igbos in Delta State, the Ijaws in Delta State, the Ijaws in Ondo, the Ijaws in the former Eastern Republic and the Ijaws in present day Rivers State - as well as many other tribes all over Nigeria (Igala, Nupe, Ogoni etc etc etc).

As long as we continue this unjust system, we will always have tribal conflict with each other, whether we are talking about Igbo-dominance of the former Eastern Region, Ijaw dominance of the former Rivers State or Igboid dominance of present day Rivers State.

If we accrue to all tribes of Nigeria the right to self determination, then all this nonsense yarns will end immediately.

Nigeria is a federation of tribes, not a federation of States.

Every tribe within the federation should have the right to administer itself and not have to suffer maladministration from another tribe.

We shall all administer ourselves and pay taxes to central Government.

By adopting this model, we will end tribal conflict in Nigeria IMMEDIATELY!

Then we will not have to talk about Biafra, MEND, OPC, MOSSOP, abandoned property, betrayal, lazy drunks etc.

This is the system of government Obafemi Awolowo proposed in 1947 and remains the most viable system of government till this day.

We keep talking about creating more states - in essence, all we are trying to do by creating new states is devolve power to tribes - a tacit admission that a federation of tribes is the only viable system of government for Nigeria.

I see why you're better of discussing general ideas and historical perspectives; you have nothing reasonable to add to ideas of reconcilliation when it comes to details.

The idea of having 250 tribal regions, some of them a strong as 200-man tribe must have baffled the early British colonizers. The reality is that no matter how you cut and slice it, at one point or another there will always be a minority and a majority in any region.

naijaking1:

I see why you're better of discussing general ideas and historical perspectives; you have nothing reasonable to add to ideas of reconcilliation when it comes to details.

The idea of having 250 tribal regions, some of them a strong as 200-man tribe must have baffled the early British colonizers. The reality is that no matter how you cut and slice it, at one point or another there will always be a minority and a majority in any region.

Well said. Even in Yorubaland, you'd have the Egba, Awori, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ondo and so many subsets claiming to be different 'tribes'.

The breakdown into states had some degree of devolution of power involved, but not as much as you think. Most of them were created for selfish interests so that x and y could now hold the title governor. Even at that, the states for the most parts are parasites dependent on the centre, showing that state creation in itself is not working.

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tpia:

what exactly do you mean and who are the people trapped behind "enemy lines" in other states?

speak for yourself when you talk plz.

my mother's people arent trapped behind enemy lines anywhere and they never will be either.

Why are you bent on fomenting trouble and discord?

Exactly my problem with that chap.

tpia:

these groups you mention do not claim to be different tribes. The likes of deepzone and other irrational talkers only represent themselves and no one else.

Many states and regions could manage to survive, but when you have aggrevating conditions and personalities, like the civil war and Adaka Boro every small group would want to divide down to infinity

tpia:

these groups you mention do not claim to be different tribes. The likes of deepzone and other irrational talkers only represent themselves and no one else.

You miss the point.

Every 'subset' will not want to be dominated if we go by Ibime's assertion, and the division will never stop. In every tribe, you will find subdivisions, and each will strive to be on it's own if the theory of 'federation of tribes' is to be followed.

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these groups you mention do not  claim to be different tribes. The likes of deepzone and other irrational talkers only represent themselves and no one else.

They all formed different city states before being combined into the western region.  The term "Yoruba" is a blanket term for people that speak a similar language.  We won't have the who egba/ijebu tussle in Ogun state if they didn't differentiate among each other.  Nigeria would be better offer with autonomous republics.




^^^ what's with this dude and the serpent