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How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 7:12am On Jul 10, 2015

The Bible gives a good idea but not an
exact number of years on how old Mary
was when she gave birth to Jesus. the
onset of menstruation - during her
teenage years, and the wording in the
Bible points to this range:

Luke 1:26-34
"Now in the sixth month the angel
Gabriel was sent by God to a city of
Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin
BETROTHED TO A MAN whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The
virgin’s name was Mary. And having
come in, the angel said to her,
“Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord
is with you; blessed are you AMONG
WOMEN!” But when she saw him, she
was troubled at his saying, and
considered what manner of greeting
this was. Then the angel said to her,
“Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have
found favor with God. And behold, you
will conceive in your womb and bring
forth a Son, and shall call His name
Jesus. He will be great, and will be
called the Son of the Highest; and the
Lord God will give Him the throne of
His father David. And He will reign
over the house of Jacob forever, and of
His kingdom there will be no end.”
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can
this be, since I do NOT KNOW A MAN?”

She is called a "VIRGIN," but also "AMONG WOMEN." When Gabriel announces her impending conception, she already is "BETROTHED TO A MAN " and expresses knowledge of the need for sexual intercourse to conceive: “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
According to the Bible, Mary was a teenager.

But according to the Quran, Mary was about 1,500 years old.

Quran 19:27-28
"Then she brought [Jesus] to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O SISTER OF ARRON, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." -

Quran 66:12
"And Mary, the DAUGHTER OF IMRAN , who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into (her body) of our spirit; and she believed in the words of her Lord and of His revelations, and was of the devoutly obedient."

But the Mary who is the "daughter of
Imran" (spelled "Amram" in the Bible)
and the "sister of Aaron" was the sister
of Moses who lived in the 15th century
BC:

Numbers 26:59
"The name of Amram's wife was
Jochebed the daughter of Levi, who
was born to Levi in Egypt; and to
Amram she bore Aaron and Moses and
their sister Miriam."

Therefore, unless Mary was 1,500 years
old when she had Jesus - indeed, unless
Joseph married a 1,500 year old virgin -
Muhammad mistook two different
women in the Bible as the same.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by INTROVERT(f): 7:12am On Jul 10, 2015

Was Mary.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by chiangyokay: 7:14am On Jul 10, 2015

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 7:15am On Jul 10, 2015

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 7:21am On Jul 10, 2015

INTROVERT:
Was Mary.

thank you for the correction.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by DJ2HOT(m): 7:50am On Jul 10, 2015

INTROVERT:
Was Mary.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by MightySparrow: 8:10am On Jul 10, 2015

I go with that of Al ~ Koran. It talks about miracle of Allah grin

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by MightySparrow: 8:13am On Jul 10, 2015

I go with that of Al ~ Koran. It talks about miracle of Allah grin

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 8:16am On Jul 10, 2015

HAPPY.
HAPPY.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 8:21am On Jul 10, 2015

[quote author=DJ2HOT post=35691094][/quote]ezeauditore . What do you have to say here ?

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 8:23am On Jul 10, 2015

MightySparrow:
I go with that of Al ~ Koran. It talks about miracle of Allah

the quran is a joke.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 10:55am On Jul 10, 2015

malvisguy212:
the quran is a joke.

Indeed this is one of the several areas in the book that is said to have descended from heaven and still has the original in heaven; where well known historical facts were muddled up.

Mary is said In sura 3:35-41 to be the sister of Aaron; having been given birth to by Amram's (Imram) wife who is the mother of Aaron and Moses. This is a disaster to Islam. Aaron and Moses his brother died over 1,000 years before Mary the mother of Jesus was born!

The truth of the matter is that whoever wrote this part of the Quran mixed up the "Miriam" or "Mariam" sister of Aaron and Moses with the "Mary" the mother of Jesus whose name can also be called "Mariam".

So, who made the mistake, Allah or Mohammed? This is a big question that awaits answers.

Also, the Quran says Mary and Zachariah were present in the sanctuary when the prophecy about John was given. The truth is that:
1. Mary and Zachariah did not live in the same town.
2. Zachariah received the message about John and his wife was already pregnant for six months before Mary heard about it at all.
3. It was after this that Mary visited Zachariah's house in Judah to spend 3 months with his wife, Elizabeth who was Mary's relative.
4. Mary had already conceived before this trip to Zachariah's house.

The Quran even contradicts itself as to how many angels visited Zachariah/Mary. Was it one or many? Sura 3:35-42 says "angels" but sura 19:17 says "our angel" (singular) appeared before Mary "as a man in all respects".

Actually, one Jewish book of fables - The Protevangelion's James the Lesser -written before Mohammed around third century A. D. had all these tales. But Jews and Christians could differentiate between their scripture and folktales. Apparently the writer of this part of the Quran couldn't. This is one of the calamities of the book.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by MightySparrow: 1:10pm On Jul 10, 2015

malvisguy212:
the quran is a joke.

You see it that way my brother? This joke is the reason for confusion in theology and terrorism.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by MightySparrow: 1:26pm On Jul 10, 2015

plainbibletruth:

Indeed this is one of the several areas in the book that is said to have descended from heaven and still has the original in heaven; where well known historical facts were muddled up.

Mary is said In sura 3:35-41 to be the sister of Aaron; having been given birth to by Amram's (Imram) wife who is the mother of Aaron and Moses. This is a disaster to Islam. Aaron and Moses his brother died over 1,000 years before Mary the mother of Jesus was born!

The truth of the matter is that whoever wrote this part of the Quran mixed up the "Miriam" or "Mariam" sister of Aaron and Moses with the "Mary" the mother of Jesus whose name can also be called "Mariam".

So, who made the mistake, Allah or Mohammed? This is a big question that awaits answers.

Also, the Quran says Mary and Zachariah were present in the sanctuary when the prophecy about John was given. The truth is that:
1. Mary and Zachariah did not live in the same town.
2. Zachariah received the message about John and his wife was already pregnant for six months before Mary heard about it at all.
3. It was after this that Mary visited Zachariah's house in Judah to spend 3 months with his wife, Elizabeth who was Mary's relative.
4. Mary had already conceived before this trip to Zachariah's house.

The Quran even contradicts itself as to how many angels visited Zachariah/Mary. Was it one or many? Sura 3:35-42 says "angels" but sura 19:17 says "our angel" (singular) appeared before Mary "as a man in all respects".

Actually, one Jewish book of fables - The Protevangelion's James the Lesser -written before Mohammed around third century A. D. had all these tales. But Jews and Christians could differentiate between their scripture and folktales. Apparently the writer of this part of the Quran couldn't. This is one of the calamities of the book.

1. In Jesus' days women do not enter into the sanctuary not to talk of Holy of Holies .
2. Allah cannot make mistake, Mohammad cannot be wrong. Angel Gabriel is a faithful bearer of quranic revelation: one, two, or all of these MUST be wrong.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Rilwayne001: 3:11pm On Jul 10, 2015

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/mary.html

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 5:35pm On Jul 10, 2015

plainbibletruth:

Indeed this is one of the several areas in the book that is said to have descended from heaven and still has the original in heaven; where well known historical facts were muddled up.

Mary is said In sura 3:35-41 to be the sister of Aaron; having been given birth to by Amram's (Imram) wife who is the mother of Aaron and Moses. This is a disaster to Islam. Aaron and Moses his brother died over 1,000 years before Mary the mother of Jesus was born!

The truth of the matter is that whoever wrote this part of the Quran mixed up the "Miriam" or "Mariam" sister of Aaron and Moses with the "Mary" the mother of Jesus whose name can also be called "Mariam".

So, who made the mistake, Allah or Mohammed? This is a big question that awaits answers.

Also, the Quran says Mary and Zachariah were present in the sanctuary when the prophecy about John was given. The truth is that 1. Mary and Zachariah did not live in the same town.
2. Zachariah received the message about John and his wife was already pregnant for six months before Mary heard about it at all.
3. It was after this that Mary visited Zachariah's house in Judah to spend 3 months with his wife, Elizabeth who was Mary's relative.
4. Mary had already conceived before this trip to Zachariah's house.

The Quran even contradicts itself as to how many angels visited Zachariah/Mary. Was it one or many? Sura 3:35-42 says "angels" but sura 19:17 says "our angel" (singular) appeared before Mary "as a man in all respects".

Actually, one Jewish book of fables - The Protevangelion's James the Lesser -written before Mohammed around third century A. D. had all these tales. But Jews and Christians could differentiate between their scripture and folktales. Apparently the writer of this part of the Quran couldn't. This is one of the calamities of the book.

God bless you my brother, here is another one:

the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by vooks: 6:29pm On Jul 10, 2015

We can estimate her age from this verse;

Luke 1:39 King James Version (KJV)
39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

Mary makes a trip of over 100KM from Nazareth to Judea to visit her cousin Elizabeth. That is not a trip a 9 year old can make. I say this because some Muslims reckon she was betrothed under ten years of age. The whole point being equivalence; Mohamed of Quran defiled minors, just as Joseph of the Bible. These guys are sick

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 6:33pm On Jul 10, 2015

vooks:
We can estimate her age from this verse;

Luke 1:39 King James Version (KJV)
39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;

Mary makes a trip of over 100KM from Nazareth to Judea to visit her cousin Elizabeth. That is not a trip a 9 year old can make. I say this because some Muslims reckon she was betrothed under ten years of age. The whole point being equivalence; Mohamed of Quran defiled minors, just as Joseph of the Bible. These guys are sick

In fact since Elizabeth, her cousin, was an old woman, she might have been in her late teens or early twenties!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 10:03pm On Jul 10, 2015

malvisguy212:
God bless you my brother, here is another one:

the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.

Waiting for Rilwayne001 & company to 'explain' this!
Maybe Allah was still revising the Quran 73 years after Mohammed's death.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 12:16am On Jul 11, 2015

Why Quran calls Mary, a Sister of Aaron ?
The verse in question is;

"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (Al-Qur’an 19:28)

It does not mean that here Qur’an calls Mary, the real sister of Aaron, the Prophet who was hundreds of years before her. Here she is only being called a female person of the family, from the Noble lineage of Prophet Aaron.

The Qur’anic usage:

In order to understand Qur’anic language one must look into other Qur’anic passages.

Qur’ans calls Prophet Shoaib as the brother of the people of Midian. Qur’an says;

“And unto Midian (We sent) their brother, Shu'eyb." (Al-Qur’an 7:85)

And similarly Qur’an calls Prophet Salih, the brother of the people of Thamud. It says;

"And unto Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih." (Al-Qur’an 11:61)

In both these examples it is never meant that the Prophets were the real brothers of the each and every person of that tribe. It’s only way to address them. It means that Shu'aib was a (male) person from the people of Midian and similarly Salih from the people of Thamud.

So in the very same manner when Qur’an describes Mary, the mother of Christ as 'Sister of Aaron', It means that she is being referred to as a (female) person from the people, the lineage of Prophet Aaron.
This is infact an Arabic idiom, a way to address. In Arabia a person from the tribe Banu Mudhar may be addressed as Ya Akha Mudhar, meaning 'O the brother of Mudhar'.

The Prophetic answer to this question:

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read" O sister of Aaron", whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: “The (people of the old age) used to call names (of their persons) after the names of the Prophets and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Sahih Muslim, Book on General Behaviour, Hadith 3962)

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) meant to say that Mary’s relationship with Prophet Aaron was mentioned because she was of his lineage for among Semites it was common to associate a person with his lineage.

This fits the context as well. The people thought that Mary had done something unworthy of a chaste woman and thus as they rebuked her, they first made a reference to her noble ancestry and then testified that even her own father was no wicked person (verse 28).

Observations from the Bible:

1- One thing we need to consider is that Qur’an does not call Mary ‘Sister of Moses’ but ‘Sister of Aaron’.

2- Aaron (PBUH) we know was the first in line for the Israelite priesthood.

3- New Testament clearly tells us that Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist (PBUH) was from the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:5). Also it tells that Mary was a cousin of Elizabeth (1:36). Therefore we can easily call them both ‘Sisters of Aaron’ i.e. from the lineage of Aaron.

4- Infact we have evidence of the similar usage from the Bible. In Genesis 13:8 Abraham and Lot are called brothers while certainly they did not come from loins of one individual. It reads;

“And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.”

A certain Christian commentator, Adam Clarke says in his commentary to this verse;

‘[It means] we are of the same family, worship the same God in the same way, have the same promises, and look for the same end.’

Was the same not true in case of Mary and Aaron? Were they both not from the same priestly family and of same faith?

So the conclusion is that this is only a beautiful way of expression in the Arabic language and to try to twist it some other way speaks only of ones inner wickedness and that’s all!

INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 12:37am On Jul 11, 2015

malvisguy212:
God bless you my brother, here is another one:

the Quran claims that one night, God took Muhammad to the "al- Aqsa" mosque is in Jerusalem:

"Exalted is He who took His Servant by
night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-
Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings
We have blessed, to show him of Our
signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the
Seeing." - Quran 17:1

The Muslim army conquered Jerusalem
in 637 AD and the al-Aqsa mosque was
completed in 705 AD. The problem with
the above passage in the Quran is that
Muhammad died in 632 AD, which was 5years before the Muslim army reached
Jerusalem and 73 years before the al-
Aqsa mosque was built.

Malvis, I've always known you were a foool but this, lol! This is far beyond even you, grin

Masjid is not a building dumbo. Why didn't you ask the same question when muslims used to use the aqsa as their qiblah? grin

Malvis is assuming that a Masjid (سجود) is a structure or building with four walls and a roof. This is incorrect thinking, as a Masjid is a place where sujood (سجود), where prostration occurs.

Therefore, as we can see, there is no need for a physical building to be present for an area to be considered a Masjid. Summarily, any place in which sujood/ prostration is done can be called a Masjid. This is also similar to the word Church (ἐκκλησίαν), which merely means the place of an “assembly or congregation”,
and not particularly four walls, a roof and a bell tower. The individual who brings forward such an argument would therefore have to be greatly ignorant of Islam, and is merely seeking to conjure a straw man argument (a fallacious argument) by attempting to present an anachronistic error in Islamic teachings.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 12:39am On Jul 11, 2015

Ha!

plainbibletruth:

Waiting for Rilwayne001 & company to 'explain' this!
Maybe Allah was still revising the Quran 73 years after Mohammed's death.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 12:46am On Jul 11, 2015

plainbibletruth:

Indeed this is one of the several areas in the book that is said to have descended from heaven and still has the original in heaven; where well known historical facts were muddled up.

Mary is said In sura 3:35-41 to be the sister of Aaron; having been given birth to by Amram's (Imram) wife who is the mother of Aaron and Moses. This is a disaster to Islam. Aaron and Moses his brother died over 1,000 years before Mary the mother of Jesus was born!

The truth of the matter is that whoever wrote this part of the Quran mixed up the "Miriam" or "Mariam" sister of Aaron and Moses with the "Mary" the mother of Jesus whose name can also be called "Mariam".

So, who made the mistake, Allah or Mohammed? This is a big question that awaits answers.

Also, the Quran says Mary and Zachariah were present in the sanctuary when the prophecy about John was given. The truth is that:
1. Mary and Zachariah did not live in the same town.
2. Zachariah received the message about John and his wife was already pregnant for six months before Mary heard about it at all.
3. It was after this that Mary visited Zachariah's house in Judah to spend 3 months with his wife, Elizabeth who was Mary's relative.
4. Mary had already conceived before this trip to Zachariah's house.

The Quran even contradicts itself as to how many angels visited Zachariah/Mary. Was it one or many? Sura 3:35-42 says "angels" but sura 19:17 says "our angel" (singular) appeared before Mary "as a man in all respects".

Actually, one Jewish book of fables - The Protevangelion's James the Lesser -written before Mohammed around third century A. D. had all these tales. But Jews and Christians could differentiate between their scripture and folktales. Apparently the writer of this part of the Quran couldn't. This is one of the calamities of the book.

There is a very simple explanation, which can be understood from the Qur'an.

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
Allah (swt) sent the angels to tell Mary (p) about the glad tidings. This
is in verse (3:45).

Then:
After the Angels left Mary (p) she started wondering and prayed to Allah
(swt) asking Him in the first part of verse (3:47): "O my Lord!, How shall
I have a son when no man has touched me…"

Note: Here she didn't ask the angels but she prayed and asked Allah (swt).
This means that the Angels have already gone. If the Angels were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?

So, after she prayed and asked Allah(swt), Allah (swt) sent one angel to
Mary (p) to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "… He
said: So (it will be) for Allah creats what He wills. When He has decreed
something, He says to it only:"Be!"- and it is."

Finally:
After a period of time Allah (swt) sent his messenger, the angel Gabriel
(p), to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

In this time she didn't ask Allah as in verse (3:47), but she asked the
Angel Gabriel (p) because he was in front of her and she was afraid from
him: " How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I
unchaste?" ,verse (19:20)

The angel answered her as mentioned in verse (19:21).

Isn't this a simple explanation? Clown!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 12:58am On Jul 11, 2015

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RagnarLodbrok:
Why Quran calls Mary, a Sister of Aaron ?
The verse in question is;

"O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" (Al-Qur’an 19:28)

It does not mean that here Qur’an calls Mary, the real sister of Aaron, the Prophet who was hundreds of years before her. Here she is only being called a female person of the family, from the Noble lineage of Prophet Aaron.

The Qur’anic usage:

In order to understand Qur’anic language one must look into other Qur’anic passages.

Qur’ans calls Prophet Shoaib as the brother of the people of Midian. Qur’an says;

“And unto Midian (We sent) their brother, Shu'eyb." (Al-Qur’an 7:85)

And similarly Qur’an calls Prophet Salih, the brother of the people of Thamud. It says;

"And unto Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih." (Al-Qur’an 11:61)

In both these examples it is never meant that the Prophets were the real brothers of the each and every person of that tribe. It’s only way to address them. It means that Shu'aib was a (male) person from the people of Midian and similarly Salih from the people of Thamud.

So in the very same manner when Qur’an describes Mary, the mother of Christ as 'Sister of Aaron', It means that she is being referred to as a (female) person from the people, the lineage of Prophet Aaron.
This is infact an Arabic idiom, a way to address. In Arabia a person from the tribe Banu Mudhar may be addressed as Ya Akha Mudhar, meaning 'O the brother of Mudhar'.

The Prophetic answer to this question:

Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read" O sister of Aaron", whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: “The (people of the old age) used to call names (of their persons) after the names of the Prophets and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Sahih Muslim, Book on General Behaviour, Hadith 3962)

The Holy Prophet (PBUH) meant to say that Mary’s relationship with Prophet Aaron was mentioned because she was of his lineage for among Semites it was common to associate a person with his lineage.

This fits the context as well. The people thought that Mary had done something unworthy of a chaste woman and thus as they rebuked her, they first made a reference to her noble ancestry and then testified that even her own father was no wicked person (verse 28).

Observations from the Bible:

1- One thing we need to consider is that Qur’an does not call Mary ‘Sister of Moses’ but ‘Sister of Aaron’.

2- Aaron (PBUH) we know was the first in line for the Israelite priesthood.

3- New Testament clearly tells us that Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist (PBUH) was from the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:5). Also it tells that Mary was a cousin of Elizabeth (1:36). Therefore we can easily call them both ‘Sisters of Aaron’ i.e. from the lineage of Aaron.

4- Infact we have evidence of the similar usage from the Bible. In Genesis 13:8 Abraham and Lot are called brothers while certainly they did not come from loins of one individual. It reads;

“And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.”

A certain Christian commentator, Adam Clarke says in his commentary to this verse;

‘[It means] we are of the same family, worship the same God in the same way, have the same promises, and look for the same end.’

Was the same not true in case of Mary and Aaron? Were they both not from the same priestly family and of same faith?

So the conclusion is that this is only a beautiful way of expression in the Arabic language and to try to twist it some other way speaks only of ones inner wickedness and that’s all!

INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!

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Maybe you should just have only quoted your last statement and left it at that.

If it has to take 'explaining' away the plain meaning of words to understand the Quran that describes itself as clear and simple, don't you think something is wrong?

This your 'explanation' will be debunked in details later.

Your inability to face my questions is showing you for who you are - fakes!

In a bid to run for cover you're now taking up more 'fanciful' monikers. Perhaps it's part of the plan for DECEPTION of the unsuspecting.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 1:04am On Jul 11, 2015

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RagnarLodbrok:

There is a very simple explanation, which can be understood from the Qur'an.

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
Allah (swt) sent the angels to tell Mary (p) about the glad tidings. This
is in verse (3:45).

Then:
After the Angels left Mary (p) she started wondering and prayed to Allah
(swt) asking Him in the first part of verse (3:47): "O my Lord!, How shall
I have a son when no man has touched me…"

Note: Here she didn't ask the angels but she prayed and asked Allah (swt).
This means that the Angels have already gone. If the Angels were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?

So, after she prayed and asked Allah(swt), Allah (swt) sent one angel to
Mary (p) to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "… He
said: So (it will be) for Allah creats what He wills. When He has decreed
something, He says to it only:"Be!"- and it is."

Finally:
After a period of time Allah (swt) sent his messenger, the angel Gabriel
(p), to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

In this time she didn't ask Allah as in verse (3:47), but she asked the
Angel Gabriel (p) because he was in front of her and she was afraid from
him: " How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I
unchaste?" ,verse (19:20)

The angel answered her as mentioned in verse (19:21).

Isn't this a simple explanation? Clown!

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An "explanation" you 'cooked' up, dummy!

When you have to "fill in gaps" for the Quran don't you think something is not quite right, bubblehead?

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 1:06am On Jul 11, 2015

plainbibletruth:
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Maybe you should just have only quoted your last statement and left it at that.

If it has to take 'explaining' away the plain meaning of words to understand the Quran that describes itself as clear and simple, don't you think something is wrong?

This your 'explanation' will be debunked in details later.

Your inability to face my questions is showing you for who you are - fakes!

In a bid to run for cover you're now taking up more 'fanciful' monikers. Perhaps it's part of the plan for DECEPTION of the unsuspecting.

Lol! Go! Go to your hate preaching websites and beg your fake men of god and what not for more juice, until then.... grin

Quran 3:78

Sahih International: And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know.

The Quran is quite simple to understand, you should know that too but unfortunately you're a, well....

Clown!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 1:08am On Jul 11, 2015

plainbibletruth:
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An "explanation" you 'cooked' up, dummy!

When you have to "fill in gaps" for the Quran don't you think something is not quite right, bubblehead?

What did I cook up? Wasn't it quite clear and obvious?

Looool! Clown!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 1:28am On Jul 11, 2015

RagnarLodbrok:

What did I cook up? Wasn't it quite clear and obvious?

Looool! Clown!

Where did the Quran state this your sequence dummy?

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
the angels went to Mary

Then:
Mary started wondering and prayed

[Note: Here she didn't ask the angels but she prayed and asked Allah.
This means that the Angels have already gone. If the Angels were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?] whose footnote us this; yours or the Quran's? So you have craftily created A GAP between verses 45 and 47: angels were talking to Mary but according to you she never asked the angels what bothered her about their message. Was it out of fear or what? Maybe your 'creative' mind should tell us.

Even though it's not there in the Quran you also added this:
So, after she prayed and asked Allah sent one angel to Mary to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "…

Finally:
After a period of time Allah sent the angel Gabriel to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

Clap for yourself, dummy!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 1:35am On Jul 11, 2015

plainbibletruth:

Where did the Quran state this your sequence dummy?

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
the angels went to Mary

Then:
Mary started wondering and prayed

[Note: Here she didn't ask the angels but she prayed and asked Allah.
This means that the Angels have already gone. If the Angels were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?] whose footnote us this; yours or the Quran's? So you have craftily created A GAP between verses 45 and 47: angels were talking to Mary but according to you she never asked the angels what bothered her about their message. Was it out of fear or what? Maybe your 'creative' mind should tell us.

Even though it's not there in the Quran you also added this:
So, after she prayed and asked Allah sent one angel to Mary to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "…

Finally:
After a period of time Allah sent the angel Gabriel to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

Clap for yourself, dummy!

Ahhhh! Is this the best you could come up with? Looooooool! So you think footnotes should be part of the Quran? Clown!

Try harder!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 2:45am On Jul 11, 2015

malvisguy212:
ezeauditore . What do you have to say here ?

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 2:50am On Jul 11, 2015

"consider the implications. We think we know what we want, but we can never really know until we've got it. And sometimes when we have, we discover we never really wanted it in the first place - but then it's too late”

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 2:53am On Jul 11, 2015

malvisguy212:
the quran is a joke.

Quran 3:7

{Sahih International
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.}

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