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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 4:18pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


Lool! Confused lad. You're attacking the wrong person mate!

Thank you for admitting your ignorance!
You should have just simply stated that the questions are beyond you or called on one of your partners to help you out.
PS:
Don't bother to respond if your brain cann't handle it.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 4:26pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:



Uhhmmm! Actually, the explanation is the same, the prophet gave a straight forward answer but you gits seem to always want a further elaboration, hence the need to explain it to you.

I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, alone, without partner, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.

Jesus was also a slave and a messenger, BTW.
let me repeat myself again, NO were in the bible,Jewish scripture or any other religious book, they refer the old saint's as sister and brother, if there is , bring it let see.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 4:27pm On Jul 11, 2015
plainbibletruth:


Tell us these:
1. Where did the Quran give the genealogy of Mary?
2. Where is it in that Quran passage that:
" after the Angels have already given her the news and were not present she then prayed to Allah after she got curious and an angel was sent."!
3. If, like you said about the Quran:
"no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah"
How do you now KNOW whether this your INTERPRETATION is "true"?

In a bid to confuse issues you run from the Quran to the Bible but still claim the same Bible you quote is not quite right. 
Why not stick to the Quran and let's see the sense it would make. 

Do you see how you're starting to tie yourself up in knots?

We are beginning to see who the real jester is! 
Aren't we?
NO muslim will answer this, instead they will insult you. Nice one friend.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 4:30pm On Jul 11, 2015
plainbibletruth:


Thank you for admitting your ignorance!
You should have just simply stated that the questions are beyond you or called on one of your partners to help you out.
PS:
Don't bother to respond if your brain cann't handle it.

Looool! You asked your brother malvis these questions, not me! Ask me, I dare you!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 4:30pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
NO muslim will answer this, instead they will insult you. Nice one friend.

Why don't you ask me?
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
let me repeat myself again, NO were in the bible,Jewish scripture or any other religious book, they refer the old saint's as sister and brother, if there is , bring it let see.
What? Are we speaking of the bible or Quran here?

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 4:45pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:

What? Are we speaking of the bible or Quran here?
according to muhammed, the saint's are adress as sister and brother, but All other religious book do not agree with this , the saint's are adress as SON and DAUGHTER ,were did he get this idea from ?

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 4:49pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
according to muhammed, the saint's are adress as sister and brother, but All other religious book do not agree with this , the saint's are adress as SON and DAUGHTER ,were did he get this idea from ?

lol!

Mark 3:35
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jul 11, 2015
plainbibletruth:


Tell us these:
1. Where did the Quran give the genealogy of Mary?
There's a whole passage in the Quran dedicated to this, it's called suratul Ali Imran.

Speaks of imran (Joachim as you know him), Anne, and how they were old and craved a child after seeing a bird feed its young ones.

Guess you diving know that grin

What now?

2. Where is it in that Quran passage that:
" after the Angels have already given her the news and were not present she then prayed to Allah after she got curious and an angel was sent."!

It's quite obvious, if Angels came to her but then she was praying to her lord before an angel came to further explain, does that not mean the Angels weren't there? Grow a brain! grin

3. If, like you said about the Quran:
"no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah"
How do you now KNOW whether this your INTERPRETATION is "true"?

3:7
Sahih International
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

There are straightforward verses, and there are some no muslim evn tries to interpret because their meanings are known only to Allah.

In a bid to confuse issues you run from the Quran to the Bible but still claim the same Bible you quote is not quite right. 
Why not stick to the Quran and let's see the sense it would make. 
U hmmm! Just to point out christian hypocrisy.

Do you see how you're starting to tie yourself up in knots?
Ohhhh, or am I?

We are beginning to see who the real jester is! 
Aren't we?

You still are, clown!

PS since none of you had the cohones to ask me, I asked myself.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 5:12pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


Yes.
Okay. Was Imran a grand father to Aaron or which generation was he? I want to trace that name using the genealogy I have. Also, where can the hebrew name you used, Joachim, be found?
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 5:32pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


lol!

Mark 3:35
stop embarrassing your self .
Mark 3:35
35 Whoever does God’s will IS my brother and sister and mother.”

Does this verse look like it was referring to old testament saint's? This verse was in present tense.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:36pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
Okay. Was Imran a grand father to Aaron or which generation was he? I want to trace that name using the genealogy I have.

The imran here is the equivalent of Joachim.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
stop embarrassing your self .
Mark 3:35
35 Whoever does God’s will IS my brother and sister and mother.”

Does this verse look like it was referring to old testament saint's? This verse was in present tense.

And did the prophet (pbuh) say anything about your bible or the Old Testament? Loool!

Confused sprag!

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 5:38pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


The imran here is the equivalent of Joachim.
But Joachim is not in the Bible. It is not found in the hebrew genealogy of Aaron. The only Jehoiakim was a king that lived centuries after Aaron hence I believe that's not the one you are referring to. Can you give where exactly that name was mentioned?

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 5:40pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


And did the prophet (pbuh) say anything about your bible or the Old Testament? Loool!

Confused sprag!
then explained why its use the idiom "sister of Aaron" ?
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:42pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
But Joachim is not in the Bible. It is not found in the hebrew genealogy of Aaron. The only Jehoiakim was a king that lived centuries after Aaron hence I believe that's not the one you are referring to. Can you give where exactly that name was mentioned?

Well imran in islam, is the father of Mary.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 5:43pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


Well imran in islam, is the father of Mary.
But he was not the immediate father of Aaron?

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212: 5:43pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
But Joachim is not in the Bible. It is not found in the hebrew genealogy of Aaron. The only Jehoiakim was a king that lived centuries after Aaron hence I believe that's not the one you are referring to. Can you give where exactly that name was mentioned?
bro, don't wast your time on him, he knows the truth but don't want to admits it . I love your explanation. God bless you for your gentilness.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:44pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
then explained why its use the idiom "sister of Aaron" ?

Foremost, it should be appreciated that the Quran contains numerous dialogues from many previous tribes, clans and individuals throughout human history. It even contains dialogues from different creations of God. None of these dialogues were spoken in Arabic. Instead, the Quran in the voice of God translates these dialogues in an expression and language which the specific audience of the Arabs could clearly understand and one which would best represent what was said at the time the dialogue took place.

Furthermore, it is imperative that one understands the context of the narrative with a view to appreciate why certain words may have been used. In 19:27-28, Mary was clearly being reminded of her association with great patriarchs such as Prophet Aaron (pbuh) who according to Jewish sources, was considered the first High Priest of the Israelites and through whom the priestly decendancy of his tribe, the Levites continued.

Mary had been under the guardianship of Prophet Zacharriya (pbuh) in a sanctuary (3:37) and had dedicated herself to her Lord. According to Biblical sources, Prophet Zacharriya (pbuh) was a priest from the decendancy of Prophet Aaron (pbuh) and hence of Levitical Priesthood if the Biblical position is to be accepted. However, according to these sources, it also appears that Mary was not herself a Levite but rather from the house of David, a Judah (Matthew 1:1; Hebrews 7:14) which would disqualify her from being referenced as 'descendant' of the tribe of Levi.

Mary's own people would clearly have known that she was not a descendant of the Levite tribe nor of the Levitical Priesthood and hence would not have referred to her as 'daughter of Aaron' which would have been expected if she was being referenced as a descendant of Prophet Aaron's (pbuh) tribe. In the Bible we note Mary's cousin, Elisabeth being clearly referenced as a 'daughter of Aaron' as she was indeed a Levite of Prophet Aaron's (pbuh) tribe.

Luke 1:5
"There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron (Greek: Thugater), and her name was Elisabeth"

Therefore, Mary's people would not have used the epithet 'daughter of Aaron', but rather, one which bound her spiritually to the priestly tribe of Prophet Aaron (pbuh) as she had remained under Prophet Zacharriya's (pbuh) auspices. Mary was clearly reminded of her 'noble associations' with Prophet Aaron's (pbuh) noble descendants when the charge of being unchaste was levied against her. In this manner, she would have been referred to Prophet Aaron (pbuh) as connected to him by faith (as a sister) and not in lineage.

The Quran is familiar with sibling epithets to denote spiritual and social relationships between members of tribes. For example:

Noah is referred to as a 'brother' of his tribe:

026:106
"Behold, their brother (Arabic: akhuhum) Noah said to them: "Will you not fear (God)?"

We find similar references for Hud (pbuh) (7:65; 11:50; 26:124), Saleh (pbuh) (7:73; 11:61; 26:142; 27:45), Lot (pbuh) (26:161) and Shoaib (pbuh) (7:85; 11:84; 29:36)

011:050
"And to Ad (We sent) their brother Hud. He said: O my people! serve God, you have no god other than He; you are nothing but forgers (of lies)"

Even the Bible is familiar with elective spiritual relationships.

Mark 3:35
"Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

Lastly, the family of Imran is referenced separately by the Quran. There is a whole Surah that usually bears the name (Surah Imran - Chapter 3). It is clear that this family bears no direct connection with the Amram from the Bible, who is the father of both Prophets Moses and Aaron. (pbut)


Isn't this the whole purpose of the thread? How many times have we been over this?

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 5:44pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
bro, don't wast your time on him, he knows the truth but don't want to admits it . I love your explanation. God bless you for your gentilness.
Amen. God bless you too.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:46pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
But he was not the immediate father of Aaron?

No! Imran is the father of Mary mother of Jesus (pbuh). Not Mary sister of Moses.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jul 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
bro, don't wast your time on him, he knows the truth but don't want to admits it . I love your explanation. God bless you for your gentilness.


Looool! You are a foool if you think anything we've discussed here has had even the slightest effect on the total accuracy of islam?


Loool! grin What truth? I'm giving you straight forward answers and you're telling me I know the truth? Again! Which truth? grin

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 5:50pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
Amen. God bless you too.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 5:55pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


No! Imran is the father of Mary mother of Jesus (pbuh). Not Mary sister of Moses.
Now there is a bit of a challenge; My studies reveal that Imran is the Arab for Amram, father of Aaron, Miriam and Moses. How true is this? And if it be so, what is the arabic name of Aaron's dad?
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by plainbibletruth: 6:04pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:

There's a whole passage in the Quran dedicated to this, it's called suratul Ali Imran.

Speaks of imran (Joachim as you know him), Anne, and how they were old and craved a child after seeing a bird feed its young ones.



What now?



It's quite obvious, if Angels came to her but then she was praying to her lord before an angel came to further explain, does that not mean the Angels weren't there? Grow a brain! grin



3:7
Sahih International
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

There are straightforward verses, and there are some no muslim evn tries to interpret because their meanings are known only to Allah.


U hmmm! Just to point out christian hypocrisy.


Ohhhh, or am I?



You still are, clown!

PS since none of you had the cohones to ask me, I asked myself.

I can see how poorly you respond to simple questions.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
Now there is a bit of a challenge; My studies reveal that Imran is the Arab for Amram, father of Aaron, Miriam and Moses. How true is this? And if it be so, what is the arabic name of Aaron's dad?

This should explain it to you. Imran is also the name of the father of Moses, although there's no exclusive mention of that, a certain verse is translated to refer to him and the Islamic consensus seems to be that,

Two different imrans, keep in mind.

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 6:04pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
Now there is a bit of a challenge; My studies reveal that Imran is the Arab for Amram, father of Aaron, Miriam and Moses. How true is this? And if it be so, what is the arabic name of Aaron's dad?

This should explain it to you. Imran is also the name of the father of Moses, although there's no exclusive mention of that, a certain verse is translated to refer to him and the Islamic consensus seems to be that,

Two different imran a, keep in mind.

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Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 6:08pm On Jul 11, 2015
plainbibletruth:


I can see how poorly you respond to simple questions.

More like how poorly you reason! Clown!

Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 6:16pm On Jul 11, 2015
If Muslims believe in reincarnation, it means Mary is reincarnated Miriam.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 6:16pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


This should explain it to you. Imran is also the name of the father of Moses, although there's no exclusive mention of that, a certain verse is translated to refer to him and the Islamic consensus seems to be that,

Two different imran a, keep in mind.
Okay. What is the red line linking Mary to Miriam indicating?
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Nobody: 6:19pm On Jul 11, 2015
Scholar8200:
Okay. What is the red line linking Mary to Miriam indicating?

It's indicating your confusion that the Mary I spoke of who is the mother of Jesus (pbuh) was the same as the Miriam, sister of Moses and Aaron.
Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by Scholar8200(m): 6:42pm On Jul 11, 2015
RagnarLodbrok:


It's indicating your confusion that the Mary I spoke of who is the mother of Jesus (pbuh) was the same as the Miriam, sister of Moses and Aaron.
Another challenge arises: Luke names Heli, descendant of David, as the father of Mary and father-in-law to Joseph. Joachim/Imran are not found in the Bible. The reference to Joachim/Imran is peculiar only to the Catholics who themselves got it from the non-canonical, literary works called the apocrypha; a website quoted them thus:

"We have no historical evidence, however, of any elements of their lives, including their names. Any stories about Mary’s father and mother come to us through legend and tradition.”(http://daily-bible-study-tips.com/Reader-Questions-Answered/Lineage-of-Mary.htm quoting from official catholic website)

If it be so, would we not be rather on safe ground staying with that written by Luke since it is backed up with a genealogy? Or do we have a genealogy that links Aaron to Imran/Joachin? You said there was a genealogy on this in the quran; can you publish it here?

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