Kobojunkie:

Oh brother!! So what? Do we have to change all the rules because many have committed crimes? Do we have to modify the laws because the majority already have records?  So? Why should you change the message because only a minute few listen? Should a parent stop trying to teach her children to do good because they kids have grown up to be criminals? Do you stop preaching the truth because the majority do not listen?  lol . . . I know AIDS kills people, don’t worry about what I know. I know meningitis kills as well. What has that got to do with this? What has that got to do with preaching abstinence? If my best friend or even my sibling were to CHOOSE to have unprotected sex and then dies of AIDS, you think I should stop the pope from preaching abstinence as the best solution to the problem? You think I should change the truth or something? What do you mean?  What does the above mean? That does not make sense considering this is not about the CURE for AiDS but the best way to PREVENT it. I really don’t get what you are saying at all.
Stop trying to make it about you then and focus more on passing across your point as now I am confused as to how what you are saying is same with what I am saying.

Of course, agreement is something you are not very fond of.

Nobody's saying change the rules, I'm saying the pope shouldn't have said anything about condom's "aggravating" the problem. Preach abstinence and leave it at that, especially in a place like Africa where hundreds of agencies are fighting with their lives to curb the disease. This kind of "awareness" is not what is needed right now.

I wasn't talking about the cure for AIDS, I was also talking about prevention. In my hypothetical example about Malaria, I mentioned using holy water to PREVENT malaria as being akin to preaching abstinence. I hope you understand now?

You started by bringing my persona and religious beliefs into this, why are you turning it around now?

spikedcylinder:

Of course, agreement is something you are not very fond of.

spikedcylinder:

Nobody's saying change the rules, I'm saying the pope shouldn't have said anything about condom's "aggravating" the problem. Preach abstinence and leave it at that, especially in a place like Africa where hundreds of agencies are fighting with their lives to curb the disease. This kind of "awareness" is not what is needed right now.

spikedcylinder:
I wasn't talking about the cure for AIDS, I was also talking about prevention. In my hypothetical example about Malaria, I mentioned using holy water to PREVENT malaria as being akin to preaching abstinence. I hope you understand now?

spikedcylinder:

You started by bringing my persona and religious beliefs into this, why are you turning it around now?

spikedcylinder:

Condoms are not 100% protective, so is abstinence. You can completely abstain from sex and still get the virus.

His point of view is that the aggressive focus on condom usage is spreading the message that using a condom removes any burden or obstacle to having indiscriminate sex. His point of view is that abstinence is the best solution for HIV prevention.

Kobojunkie:

Sigh!! How many people share needles or get blood transfusions or blades? Majority of those who contract the disease still do so through sexual transmission.

Kobojunkie:

Majority of those who contract the disease still do so through sexual transmission. Even those who are already HIV positive by choosing to be abstinent, help reduce the transmission of the disease. I mean it is still possible to have unprotected sex in marriage and get the disease, but since majority of those infected are unmarried, and since the abstinence message is generally directed at those, I think it is a good message.

You have just successfully contradicted yourself. If you agree that people who contract the disease do so by having sex, then whats the use of your "morality over safety" extravaganza?

You know what, if you want to believe it is not, that’s fine by me. Who are my am I to try to deny you your share right to believe what you want?

Same to you, dear.

DeReloaded:

and how has the message been going so far? Perhaps he should take it to SA and lets see how that will work out.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. How has it worked so far? The Catholics that his message is supposed to me meant for are in Africa by their millions and still die everyday.

spikedcylinder:

The same amount of people who get HIV through transfusions, needles etc are almost equivalent to the number of people who are not protected from HIV, STDs by condoms.

spikedcylinder:

You have just successfully contradicted yourself. If you agree that people who contract the disease do so by having sex, then whats the use of your "morality over safety" extravaganza?

spikedcylinder:

Same to you, dear.
Exactly what I've been trying to say. How has it worked so far? The Catholics that his message is supposed to me meant for are in Africa by their millions and still die everyday.

spikedcylinder:

Lol. Its so funny that you preach abstinence though. Sex to you is just for procreation then?

spikedcylinder:

You seem to be pushing for abstinence after getting all you need from having sex.

Kobojunkie:

Even if you caught me having sex right this minute, Abstinence remains the BEST choice for prevention of AIDS. Nothing changes that and ever will. Get it??

spikedcylinder:

Preach abstinence and leave it at that

Yes, abstinence seems to be the most logical path but does it work??

LOL!

A-town:

@Kobojunkie
Give it up already. The thread is becoming you vs a lot of people.

A-town:

I believe everyone here knows that Abstinence is the best prevention for HIV.

A-town:

The issue is this. Is Abstinence working in Africa?

A-town:

Condoms have been provided to alleviate the problem. Until the Pope has a better solution, it is not right for him to preach against condom usage. TROJAN all the way.

Kobojunkie:

lol @Atown. . please tell me you are joking with this childish way of analyzing the situation here?? Jeezz!!!
Don’t worry about me, worry more about actually understanding what is being said as is.
I don’t think even you understands that and what it actually means from the argument you have raised so far.
How do you measure the effectiveness or lack of then?His preaching against condoms has been simply that it provides people with a way to have sex, which is what he is against. He is not against it helping prevent HIV, but that people are more promiscuous as a result of having access to a tool that allows them guilt free sex in the way that condoms do, according to him. He is the pope of a religion that is against premarital sex and believes in sex being for procreation. What do you expect him to say, “I am for condoms (implying premarital sex is likely ok) and for abstinence”? The man is not afraid of a piece of rubber, he is afraid that the rubber will encourage more and more people to adopt sexual behaviors that his religion is against. Why in the world do you have a hard time wrapping your mind around his belief being the main here? Since he does not make the rules, why is he not allowed to believe what he does, and preach what he believes? Sort of like you expecting the Ayatollah to come preach peace between the infidels and all in Africa when you and I know he is likely never to do that.
By the way, don’t bother responding, I have already had a sampling of what you have to offer as retort and I am really not interested in what you have to say on any issue. I cannot imagine having to deal with more of that “if the children continue to steal even after you tell them that stealing is wrong, then preaching against stealing is not working” mentality. It’s starting to feel like a serious waste of my time.

Is this what the Church of Christ is all about now? Competition for 'strongholds'?

I have to disagree. I believe there is substance in the message, Not that I want to go into it here since many seem a bit too close-minded on this issue.

texazzpete:
I guess you three apes are too stupid to comprehend what the Pope was getting at.
His point of view is that the aggressive focus on condom usage is spreading the message that using a condom removes any burden or obstacle to having indiscriminate sex. His point of view is that abstinence is the best solution for HIV prevention.

While this point of view may be somewhat naive as humans are usually too weak to resist their sexual urges, it doesn't make him a monster or make him deluded as you retards are quick to proclaim. Ultimately he would rather see a world in which people remained chaste until marriage as a solution to HIV than a world in which condom usage is made the 'solution' to HIV spread.

And no, even as a Catholic i do not agree with his opinion with regards condom use in marriages etc. But i have a healthy respect for his opinion.

bawomolo:

it's close minded to believe people who support sex-education are against abstinence. no one is forcing you to use a condom, condoms are just a safety net.

1luvkipsus:

For God's sakes,when have Men of God become Doctors??Can we ever have a world without religion?If condoms spreads Aids,then what prevents it?We all know that sex has come to stay and there's nothing that will ever stop it.Please,condoms do not spread Aids,it prevents the virus.If you can't abstain,kindly use a condom,and properly.OMG!!!

You and the pope can go Bleep yourselves. If i choose to use a Love Machine in my marriage, it is between myself and my spouse. It is no ones business.
We need to stop all these stupid archaic beliefs. AIDS is bleeping killing our people. Preaching Abstinence is a waste of time. Man and Woman will continue to Bleep for as long as both sexes exist. Since we know peeps won't listen to the abstinence preach, don't u think its better to provide a solution that is at least 97% preventive. U and the Pope are bleeping retards. Until someone can tell me anywhere it is stated by GOD that we shouldn't use condoms, i say go Bleep urself.