KoloOyinbo:
Lets be clear here. This is NOT a question that you are seeking an answer to. You mind is clearly made up in advance and you are merely seeking to promote your own fixed position.

The sacrifice of Jesus makes perfect sense to Christians (hint: thats why they ARE Christians). Non believers are exactly that - NON believers.

No matter what intrepretation or argument is put forward you will not accept it.

You have every right to disbelieve and should not be disrespected for that. Believers have an equal right and should be equally respected. This thread was clearly merely an exercise in arguing to demean others. Disgraceful!!!!

Hogwash..!! Tell that to your evangelical christains and their nuisance.

ubath:


no human have been able to explain what trinity really means. please can you tell us the meaning with convincing explanation

That has been done many times before and very well too. One of the first explanations the Irish get is that analogy of St. Patrick who used our national plant the shamrock! Three petals that form one flower!

If you question is serious there are MANY good explanations you will enjoy finding.

Sadly some people here simply want an argument to attempt (vainly) to rubbish the beliefs of others. If you are genuine you will have little trouble finding the answers.

KoloOyinbo:

You have faith he does not.

That's all I want to hear. Faith is required to beliece in non-existence. Like pink unicorns. Or greenish gray wammankos.
I'm sure you have faith these do no exist, especially the wammankos.

Ibolt4m:
...u better tink wise ure no longer a babe

Challenge my statement or Sharrap dia...

Osisie:


It's funny how JESUS ALWAYS makes the news.
And that's goodnews to me.

It's like the Law of Attraction...."What you resist, persists".

Don't mind them they say he doesn't exist yet they rack rack their brains trying to prove it instead of just ignoring.

dapipson:
I appreciate your feedback and I believe that I am a creator but not the world.
I will appreciate it if you could carry through your own perceived knowledge of creation. How comes about me as a man?

The relationship you should have with your creator is the same your creation as a human has with you

Remember
You cannot create what you don't have total and absolute control over

You do not also create what you don't need or what will not use
if you do
You'll destroy it or adjust is for your need and use

Point is

You don't need to know your creator
Your creator is already in total and absolute control of you

All you need do is
Follow your natural compass which your creator put in you (ie: your conscience and your ability to reason logically aka common sense) so that you can know and do the right thing (not the so called right thing written in those diabolical books)

You can only achieve this sucessfully with a clear mind devoid of belief systems ( religion, occult, aetheism etc) and emotional induced reasoning

Remember
A clear mind will always know the right thing to do at any point in time

One should always do what is right not whst is good (good and bad are subject to emotional and sentimental way if reasoning which do not paint the clear picture of things)

sonOfLucifer:

That's all I want to hear. Faith is required to beliece in non-existence. Like pink unicorns. Or greenish gray wammankos.

Like I said you are incapable of understanding or even arguing your case and just restate your tired opinion over and over.

Moreover did you remember where we spoke of 'testable'? Could that apply to you animals above?

GooseBaba:


When you finally die and see that allah is the one true God. Hell fire awaits you bro....you better weigh your options wella. As we can see, Allah's hell would be very hot. See what his followers are serving in this lifetime.

i want to prove to you that Jesus is Lord....lets make a bet, if my argument about Jesus is right, by this time 2moro, you will have lost ur phone....but if am wrong, the opposite would happen....if only you will tell urself the truth...

GooseBaba:


Hogwash..!! Tell that to your evangelical christains and their nuisance.

Well your attitude clearly reveals you are merely engaged in a rather pathetic attempt to offend Christians. Not sure what inadequacy leads you to feel this need? But good luck in overcoming it anyway.

KoloOyinbo:


Like I said you are incapable of understanding or even arguing your case and just restate your tired opinion over and over.

Now the projection begins. Keep it up. Wiser people can see through your dubious ways.
It's kinda difficult to argue with one who bends words to fit his narrow and myopic definitions.. If I can't trust you to properly define faith, how can I trust your capacity to reason objectively?

KoloOyinbo:


That has been done many times before and very well too. One of the first explanations the Irish get is that analogy of St. Patrick who used our national plant the shamrock! Three petals that form one flower!

If you question is serious there are MANY good explanations you will enjoy finding.

Sadly some people here simply want an argument to attempt (vainly) to rubbish the beliefs of others. If you are genuine you will have little trouble finding the answers.

Na flowers Irish take dey form trinity.... Lmao..

The real trinity is.....

The father, mother and child. It applies to every human being. That's why reproduction is tantamount to humanity. Not father, son and holyspirit. Homosexual things..! Tufiakwa

sonOfLucifer:

Now the projection begins. Keep it up. Wiser people can see through your dubious ways.
It's kinda difficult to argue with one who bends words to fit his narrow and myopic definitions.. If I can't trust you to properly define faith, how can I trust your capacity to reason objectively?

Welcome... It took you a minute to discover his dubious ways... Lol

jesus death is a sacrifice because he shed his blood on the cross,for without the shedding of blood no forgiveness.

KoloOyinbo:


Well your attitude clearly reveals you are merely engaged in a rather pathetic attempt to offend Christians. Not sure what inadequacy leads you to feel this need? But good luck in overcoming it anyway.

And what do I say of evangelical christains. Disturbing my peace with their beliefs...

Jesus said, "If I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto Me" (John 12:32)

micodon:

Your "cluelessness" is second to none

really?

any thing else?

seanblaise:

i want to prove to you that Jesus is Lord....lets make a bet, if my argument about Jesus is right, by this time 2moro, you will have lost ur phone....but if am wrong, the opposite would happen....if only you will tell urself the truth...

And if I don't lose my phone... What happens to you..?

GooseBaba:


Na flowers Irish take dey form trinity.... Lmao..

The real trinity is.....

The father, mother and child. It applies to every human being. That's why reproduction is tantamount to humanity. Not father, son and holyspirit. Homosexual things..! Tufiakwa

The Irish shamrock is a type of clover with three leaves. Our national flower. Did you not know?

As for the rest of you statements they are just that - unsupported statements of your beliefs and we all know how strange some of your ideas are.

Atlantian:
It is all lies and control statements. Jesus never resurrected. No one goes into space with this body. Oxygen is not there at high altitude. How can his body survive without oxygen. I doubt the resurrection story 100%.

@ATLANTIAÑ & @BRIGHTEYE U GUYS ARE ATHIEST SO NO PROBLEMS. UR DISBELIEVE WILL HURT U ETERNALLY UNLESS U CHANGE UR BABY THOTS.UR UNBELIEF WILL NOT MAKE HIM LESS A SAVIOUR AND HEALER THAT HE IS.MY FAITH IN CHRIST HAS REVEALED THAT GOD'S WORD IS TRUE IN ALL ITS DISPUTATIONS. REPENT OF UR SINS AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST OR U WILL BE DOOMED FOR EVER.GOD'S WORD IS TRUE. UR DOUBTS DOESNT DIMINISH IT ONE BIT. THIS MESSAGE IS TO ALL ATHIEST AND UNBELIEVERS.

am0sn0nyu:
I SUPPOSE ANY OF YOU AFRICAN CHRISTIAN CONVERTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RATIONAL ANSWER

SOURCE

Oga it's simple he came to earth in Human foam and gave up his Human life for Our Sins. Yes he Resurrected but he did not come back to his Human life again, He Sacrificed that Human life for all our sins and gave us a new hope of eternal life by just BEING BORN AGAIN IN CHRIST which is accepting him as your personal Lord and savior.

JESUS LIVES! YOUR OPINION AND LOGIC CAN'T CHANGE IT. EMBRACE HIM SOONER THAN IT BE TOO LATE FOR YOU

GooseBaba:


When you donate your kidney. YOU DON'T GET TO USE IT LATER..!!! Stop decieving yourself!

So, supposing a criminal has your son in his hands and he says your sons life or your life and you go with your life and he shoots you in the chest area, you go unconscious and are presumed dead but after a day or so due to help of doctors you are been saved from near death which means you get your life back even though you have to recover slowly, so can we say here that because you got to live and not die, what you did wasn't a sacrifice?

How insulted will you feel when your son looks you later in the face and says "My Dad is selfish and has never sacrificed anything for me"?

where is the definition that if you sacrifice something, you don't get to use it later?

Jeromejnr:


So, supposing a criminal has your son in his hands and he says your sons life or your life and you go with your life and he shoots you in the chest area, you go unconscious and are presumed dead but after a day or so due to help of doctors you are been saved from near death which means you get your life back even though you have to recover slowly, so can we say here that because you got to live and not die, what you did wasn't a sacrifice?

How insulted will you feel when your son looks you later in the face and says "My Dad is selfish and has never sacrificed anything for me"?

where is the definition that if you sacrifice something, you don't get to use it later?

What type of Sunday school buffoonery is this....? Clearly, his father did not die. Different from jesus dying and resurrecting. Stop decieving yourself..

GooseBaba:


What type of Sunday school buffoonery is this....? Clearly, his father did not die. Different from jesus dying and resurrecting. Stop decieving yourself..

Oga! You don't have an argument.

We are talking about sacrifice here and not dying. The person you said that donates a kidney also did not die. So what are you even saying?

KoloOyinbo:


The Irish shamrock is a type of clover with three leaves. Our national flower. Did you not know?

As for the rest of you statements they are just that - unsupported statements of your beliefs and we all know how strange some of your ideas are.

Unsupported..... Lol....

Your beliefs is supported by the writings of men.

Mine is supported by nature.

Worshiping the dead and having a. Relationship is unnatural.

Remembering the dead is natural.

Who has strange beliefs again...

Jeromejnr:


Oga! You don't have an argument.

We are talking about sacrifice here and not dying. The person you said that donates a kidney also did not die. So what are you even saying?

Then what did the person sacrifice...? kidney. Now he should have one left. If he still has two. Then what did he sacrifice....

Did Jesus die...yes or no...

If he did not die. Why did he resurrect.?

So yes... We're talking about dying here... No

theDEVILisHERE:


The relationship you should have with your creator is the same your creation as a human has with you

Remember
You cannot create what you don't have total and absolute control over

You do not also create what you don't need or what will not use
if you do
You'll destroy it or adjust is for your need and use

Point is

You don't need to know your creator
Your creator is already in total and absolute control of you

All you need do is
Follow your natural compass which your creator put in you (ie: your conscience and your ability to reason logically aka common sense) so that you can know and do the right thing (not the so called right thing written in those diabolical books)

You can only achieve this sucessfully with a clear mind devoid of belief systems ( religion, occult, aetheism etc) and emotional induced reasoning

Remember
A clear mind will always know the right thing to do at any point in time

One should always do what is right not whst is good (good and bad are subject to emotional and sentimental way if reasoning which do not paint the clear picture of things)

Thanks for your response. I do understand through your post that you believe that there is a creator which you don't know his name which probably could be the reason why you reason the way you do and that instead of believing and reverencing that creator, you choose to believe in common sense. Can't you see that there is a disconnect in your mode of thinking?

I believe that there is a creator who is Lord almighty, Jehovah Yahweh, the creator of the universe and everything there in. Only him will i reverence.

My own common sense has led me to prove Him right.

I know you don't share in this faith of mine but if you wish to give it a try, please you may read the Bible whole heartedly for seven days, and say this after each reading "Lord Jesus, I truly want to know who you are. prove yourself to me if you are truly the son of God"

If after seven days and you didn't get the answer, you may leave.

Thanks for reading

dapipson:
Thanks for your response. I do understand through your post that you believe that there is a creator which you don't know his name which probably could be the reason why you reason the way you do and that instead of believing and reverencing that creator, you choose to believe in common sense. Can't you see that there is a disconnect in your mode of thinking?

I believe that there is a creator who is Lord almighty, Jehovah Yahweh, the creator of the universe and everything there in. Only him will i reverence.

My own common sense has led me to prove Him right.

I know you don't share in this faith of mine but if you wish to give it a try, please you may read the Bible whole heartedly for seven days, and say this after each reading "Lord Jesus, I truly want to know who you are. prove yourself to me if you are truly the son of God"

If after seven days and you didn't get the answer, you may leave.

Thanks for reading

Creator of what universe....!?

A creator that received his inheritance (isreal) from his father El.. That's why that babble says the god of the jews. Go read that babble again for 7 days. This time around free your mind from the jesus bondage...

Miracles do not follow d law of science. A miracle isn't mean to be explainable.

Atlantian:
It is all lies and control statements. Jesus never resurrected. No one goes into space with this body. Oxygen is not there at high altitude. How can his body survive without oxygen. I doubt the resurrection story 100%.

Miracles do not follow d law of science. A miracle isn't supposed to be explainable.

Atlantian:
It is all lies and control statements. Jesus never resurrected. No one goes into space with this body. Oxygen is not there at high altitude. How can his body survive without oxygen. I doubt the resurrection story 100%.

Wizzz:
We'll ask Him when we get there

But he gave you Brian to think and answer questions?

The question about the death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as whether or not it's a sacrifice is not a surprise because that sets the Christian faith apart as there was never anyone be it a prophet or atheist or anything that came to this world and resurrected. It's understandable that other faith might feel pained and would like to contest and dispute the truth but that will not make it less a truth.

I urge all genuine children of God to shun any form of argument/debate with atheist/other religious beliefs but pray for them that they might know the truth and the truth shall set them free. They tried to conceal the resurrection of Christ long time ago but they failed. Why then bother yourself now.... 'my church have I built on you and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.'

I urge Christians to know that in the last days various people will arise atheist and their sympathizers and shall speak ill of the message of the cross but hold fast to that which you know lest you lose it.

We ain't seen anything yet, more of them are coming.. .. may God have mercy on their souls... amen.