dejavski:


Exactly my point
If the aworis, eguns, egbas, ijebus from the SW; ikwerres,ndokwas, agbors etc from SS can claim to be among the over 300 ethnic groups in Nigeria, I see no reason why the ilajes shouldn't be called an ethnic group

scholes0:


I ave noticed that the Ilaje, Owo, Ikale and to certain extents, the Idanre, Ondo and Ekiti dialects are infacts very very similar.
with Ilaje-Owo being most similar even though miles apart.

* These dialects have the presence of the fricatives
"Gh"...... which has been condensed to just 'W" in standard Yoruba
"Gw", "Kh",

* Words beginning with "U" which in standard yoruba would be an "I" like:
Ule - Ile, Isu - Usu, Use - Ise, Ugbo - Igbo, Etc

* Use variants of Dede, Kete and Gede to refer to an entirety ... like
Aghan oma Ilaje Dede (All the Ilaje children) , Oma Ekiti Kete (All Ekiti children) , Oma Ogho gede (All Owo children) Etc

* All have slower and more "melancholic" / "melodic" forms or kinds of music which involves a slow chanting, and calculated step orientated movement like the Binis-- with rhythmic swaying of the body from side to side, and graceful leg movements.

It is said that these South-Eastern dialects, are the most original form of Yoruba.... not the Oyo influenced generality that we all speak today.

And Et cettera.

@ d bolded The Ilaje's use Oma ilaje Dede
y I use Omi Iwerre Dede. Can u see d similarities ?

can u see d big difference b/w Dede and Keke used by ilaje and Ekiti People ?

This was wat am explaining earlier tat u guys keep tagging me Igbo boy.. d Ilaje dialect is entirely diff from most Yoruba language

macof:


Quite right, There's a pattern - Itsekiri - Ijebu/Ilaje - Owo - Ondo/Ekiti

Ekiti however don't have the Bini-like melody

macof:


Quite right, There's a pattern - Itsekiri - Ijebu/Ilaje - Owo - Ondo/Ekiti

Ekiti however don't have the Bini-like melody

scholes0:


I ave noticed that the Ilaje, Owo, Ikale and to certain extents, the Idanre, Ondo and Ekiti dialects are infacts very very similar.
with Ilaje-Owo being most similar even though miles apart.

* These dialects have the presence of the fricatives
"Gh"...... which has been condensed to just 'W" in standard Yoruba
"Gw", "Kh",

* Words beginning with "U" which in standard yoruba would be an "I" like:
Ule - Ile, Isu - Usu, Use - Ise, Ugbo - Igbo, Etc

* Use variants of Dede, Kete and Gede to refer to an entirety ... like
Aghan oma Ilaje Dede (All the Ilaje children) , Oma Ekiti Kete (All Ekiti children) , Oma Ogho gede (All Owo children) Etc

* All have slower and more "melancholic" / "melodic" forms or kinds of music which involves a slow chanting, and calculated step orientated movement like the Binis-- with rhythmic swaying of the body from side to side, and graceful leg movements.

It is said that these South-Eastern dialects, are the most original form of Yoruba.... not the Oyo influenced generality that we all speak today.

And Et cettera.

macof:


Quite right, There's a pattern - Itsekiri - Ijebu/Ilaje - Owo - Ondo/Ekiti

Ekiti however don't have the Bini-like melody

ayyoshert:


watch this dance display from 2:03 and tell me there is no Bini influence/melody


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyn8beFLTw

9jakool:


I'm pretty sure those are Ondo dancers from Owo. They were probably invited for the coronation.

ayyoshert:


I was suprised when my dad told me that the chieftancy title of our family (Ijan Ekiti) 'Oshogbon' has a Bini root, even Ologbosere and other titles of bini roots are also given in some families. The influence of Bini can't be denied in Ekiti culture and traditions.

ayyoshert:


watch this dance display from 2:03 and tell me there is no Bini influence/melody


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyn8beFLTw

ayyoshert:

having listened carefully and heard 'gede' i believe that too, but both dialects of Owo and ekiti bear a closer resemblance than other ondo dialects to ekiti.

9jakool:

Yeah, I could immediately tell based on the dialect, dance, attire, and instruments/music. Ekiti does not have Bini like melody. Relationship with Bini isn't as strong in Ekiti as it is in Ondo. Bini's encroachment into Ekiti is only limited to certain ares in Ekiti. Ekiti towns like Otun, Ido, Iye, Efon-Alaye, Iloro, Okemesi, Oye, Ikole, and Omuo didn't have much to do with Bini.

9jakool:

Yeah, I could immediately tell based on the dialect, dance, attire, and instruments/music. Ekiti does not have Bini like melody. Relationship with Bini isn't as strong in Ekiti as it is in Ondo. Bini's encroachment into Ekiti is only limited to certain ares in Ekiti. Ekiti towns like Otun, Ido, Iye, Efon-Alaye, Iloro, Okemesi, Oye, Ikole, and Omuo didn't have much to do with Bini.

scholes0:


I don’t know if it is the so called “Benin melody”
Buy Ekiti music actually shares that exact type of rhythm

On the other end of the spectrum are the Oyos with their heavy talking drums, bata and stuff.

ayyoshert:

that is what i am trying to say too,
i remember in '91 when we went for our Grand dad's funeral,
i was almost lost, i barely connected to the culture i saw,
but since then, though i was still young i started getting curious about Ekiti,
There was this drum in which the pattern of beating is not Yoruba at all, i remember my Dad saying they were ancient and the skins were human,
even the music pattern and rhythm sound strange, especially the traditional ritualistic type.
i cant count number of times when people ask after seeing my surname 'osatuyi' if i am Edo.
i really love to know more on the past with Ondo and Ekiti.
i want to believe poeple have been existing in these areas before waves of Ile Ife people came to mingle and mix up the tradition of the earlier aborigines of the place.

ayyoshert:

that is what i am trying to say too,
i remember in '91 when we went for our Grand dad's funeral,
i was almost lost, i barely connected to the culture i saw,
but since then, though i was still young i started getting curious about Ekiti,
There was this drum in which the pattern of beating is not Yoruba at all, i remember my Dad saying they were ancient and the skins were humdan,
even the music pattern and rhythm sound strange, especially the traditional ritualistic type.
i cant count number of times when people ask after seeing my surname 'osatuyi' if i am Edo.
i really love to know more on the past with Ondo and Ekiti.
i want to believe poeple have been existing in these areas before waves of Ile Ife people came to mingle and mix up the tradition of the earlier aborigines of the place.

AxxeMan:


OSATUYI You are Edo plain and Simple .... You might familarize with those Yoruba ppl now but YOU ARE AN EDO DESENDANT!!

ayyoshert:

that is what i am trying to say too,
i remember in '91 when we went for our Grand dad's funeral,
i was almost lost, i barely connected to the culture i saw,
but since then, though i was still young i started getting curious about Ekiti,
There was this drum in which the pattern of beating is not Yoruba at all, i remember my Dad saying they were ancient and the skins were human,
even the music pattern and rhythm sound strange, especially the traditional ritualistic type.
i cant count number of times when people ask after seeing my surname 'osatuyi' if i am Edo.
i really love to know more on the past with Ondo and Ekiti.
i want to believe poeple have been existing in these areas before waves of Ile Ife people came to mingle and mix up the tradition of the earlier aborigines of the place.

scholes0:


I don’t know if it is the so called “Benin melody”
Buy Ekiti music actually shares that exact type of rhythm

On the other end of the spectrum are the Oyos with their heavy talking drums, bata and stuff.

AxxeMan:
[[s]quote author=macof post=63623761]

what ayyoshert calls 'Osa' is probably what we call 'Isa' in other Ekiti dialects. It is an ancient Ekiti deity

Many old settlements and Family names in Ekiti come with Isa prefixes, Including the area where my Family houses and farmland are

then the 'tuyi' is also typical yoruba.. there are names like Oguntuyi, Osuntuyi, Fatuyi

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People like you are a menace to humanity at large. Everything is not about your own ethnicity, more so a small minority like yours.
rather than going about nairaland doing 'edo service' or 'edo defender' that does not pay Edo nation in any way, why not show your true love for Edo by helping your brothers and sisters out so they wont be going to europe through Libya.this sort of Ethnic bigotry doesn't help you, it destroys you[/s]

You are talking nonsense stop trying to give meanings to words that mean nothing in your Yoruba or whatever language u speak!

Instead of making a fool of yourself trying to give senseless meanings to words that aren't Yoruba try and help your hungry poor brothers so they will stop mining skulls and using baby's for rituals

gregyboy:


are minding the yoruba boy dont you know they ard very cunning and possesive
they twist anything basically to favour them selves history names i meaning anything
just imagine when they said imade was a yoruba name until davido revealed it recently or saying oduduwa is yoruba when in thier alphabet there is nothing like "uwa" or is it when they claimed adele was a yoruba that are father is youruba and her mom is white until adele her self reveled otherwise or is when they claim oba heads are been buried in ile ife with no prove no heads to show for it or is it them saying benin was originally speaking yoruba before they changed the language to benin..
my friend leave them when yorubas have issue within themselves the truth would fall out from thier mouth like oba of lagos did

ayyoshert:

Uwa is used in the ancient Yoruba and still used in Ife, Ekiti and Ondo dialects, it means wealth/prosperity.
I saw this thread as that which belongs for a matured mind deliberations and intellectual discourse but when it has gone down to the degrading norm this platform is known for, i beg to sign out.
Thanks to Macof i guess you are Ekiti, do try open a thread for us that will talk on our history and dialect, thanks to Scholes, 9jacool and others that gave knowledgeable insights.

ayyoshert:

Uwa is used in the ancient Yoruba and still used in Ife,

What the fvvck is this one even saying!

What ancient dialect and what ife??

Norbe only ancient na 18AD

Stop making a fool of yourself trying to explain dumb lies to yourself and the end of the day a dirty lie is still a dirty lie