fratermathy:


Evil intents!

Chei. Igbo Kwenu!


I wont even bother myself with you. It's obvious you are just here to be tribalistic. Nothing more. Atleast I have been enjoying my discourses with your brethren.

You don't need cos I don't have your time either. You tried to put words in her mouth and it was pretty obvious, so take a chill pill. Otherwise what's with the real and fake nonsense you alluded to? Please!!!

PreciousBro:

These four igbo towns you mentioned are situated in the western and northern axis of igboland,a point i have tried to sync into ezeagu's grasp as testament to the strength of whatever influence or borrowed stuff you all are talking about.it has zero impact on the southern igbos. ooh well
...i don taya jare

I have told them this ..me seff don taya

Ihuomadinihu:

Somebody tell this guy that the Kings of Aro, Onitsha and Asaba have no business with my Region and City!

Even Aro cannot account for Igbo land? Whewwwww! Your city must be extremely important in Igboland. In that case, no amount of vituperation here can ease your hold on your treasured cultural originality and absolute disdain of any form of intrusion even from neighbouring groups!

melzabull:
You don't need cos I don't have your time either. You tried to put words in her mouth and it was pretty obvious, so take a chill pill

Put words in her mouth

Words are very strong you know. People have put alot words in my mouth and you didnt see that. You only saw the one where a stranger who "threatened" your pristine cultural integrity tried to put words in your sister's mouth.!



It is well!!!!!!

liberty300:
You mentioned hausa but you put a pic of fulani...they're not the same bro

The first is hausa, even judging by the style of the turbans, the second is fulani. And maybe it was recently modded. The first dressing is shared by hausas kanuris and fulanis.

ezeagu:


Where did the southern Igbo borrow their warrant chief kings from then?

lol must we borrow it,cant we own it as a result of primordially existing within us from time immemorial ?

fratermathy:


I never said the same in both intent and statement. For clarification, they are stylised after the Edo system. It may not even be directly. Most would have been adapted from neighbouring Igbo communities who adapted from each other until the Proto-adapted kingdom which may likely be a close neighbour to Edoland.

If someone starts up something that looks like yours,does it mean he copied you? Infact Edo artifacts were made by Igbos. It's a know fact that Igbos were hired by Edo to make artifacts for them. Quit spewing rubbish.

fratermathy:



Answer to question? Yes, Nri kingdom is archaeologically older than Edo kingdom. This has no bearing in Edo's far more vast and outriching cultural hegemony on Nri land especially those borderline lands. In fact, this hegemony is so strong that some Igbo groups such as Ikwerre, Ndokwa and Ika claim to be Benin people.

Do you also agree that Benin borrowed some Igbo words and other things also
So if NRI is older than Benin it is bound that Benin must have looked up to NRI for inspiration

Do you know that many western Igbo are of NRI such as ogwa ashi ukwu and Igbo bi na uzor they call igbuzor ?

Rep the tiv,i just love them white and black striped.

PreciousBro:


lol must we borrow it,cant we own it as a result of primordially existing within us from time immemorial ?

What? Warrant chiefs? You mean the 600 eze currently 'ruling' villages in Imo State are how old?

fratermathy:



Answer to question? Yes, Nri kingdom is archaeologically older than Edo kingdom. This has no bearing in Edo's far more vast and outriching cultural hegemony on Nri land especially those borderline lands. In fact, this hegemony is so strong that some Igbo groups such as Ikwerre, Ndokwa and Ika claim to be Benin people.

Claiming to be Benin people is different to been Benin people

There are excommunicated and exiled Benin people that found refugee in ika not ndokwa some ndokwa even migrated from places like awkuzu in present day anambra go to obiaruku and check their history

Do you want me to lecture on that

If you do let me know

fratermathy:


Even Aro cannot account for Igbo land? Whewwwww! Your city must be extremely important in Igboland. In that case, no amount of vituperation here can ease your hold on your treasured cultural originality and absolute disdain of any form of intrusion even from neighbouring groups!

I want you to understand how things are done in Igboland. The Eze of Aro is on his own in Abia state. The Eze of Nri is equally in Nri with his people. None can impose any authority on the other,unlike what is obtained in Edoland. You are too damn ignorant.

fratermathy:



Put words in her mouth

Words are very strong you know. People have put alot words in my mouth and you didnt see that. You only saw the one where a stranger who "threatened" your pristine cultural integrity tried to put words in your sister's mouth.!



It is well!!!!!!

No one has tried to put words in your mouth here, they've only tried to correct your impression on you op on Igbo women dressing like Benin women, but for some funny reasons like tonychristopher noted earlier, you've proved incorrigible. This wolda saved a lot of arguments here

Ihuomadinihu:

If someone starts up something that looks like yours,does it mean he copied you? Infact Edo artifacts were made by Igbos. It's a know fact that Igbos were hired by Edo to make artifacts for them. Quit spewing rubbish.

"Rubbish".


Igbos being technocratic and handy has no bearing in Edo's cultural hegemony. You keep bringing up points to prove my initial premise. The fact that Igbos were "borrowed" by the Edos to do their beads and artifacts even give more credence to the idea that there Masons, carpenters and craftsmen took home what they have learned about Edo culture. This is a hypothesis. I'd write a scholarly article on this theory. Thanks for the pointers. This argument has been purposeful so far even though it was started on a faulty counter-premise.

Ihuomadinihu:

If someone starts up something that looks like yours,does it mean he copied you? Infact Edo artifacts were made by Igbos. It's a know fact that Igbos were hired by Edo to make artifacts for them. Quit spewing rubbish.

Eze chime was one if them

tonychristopher:


Do you know panya ..there is a place that our Igbo grand father's call panya ..I won't tell you ask any Igbo man


Do you know that Igbo is spoken in e Guinea
And also we have Igbo creaole in Sierra Leone

Pls ask questions


Do we say Igbo colonised them ? NO

so find another theory

Ha Benin has a connection with Guinea too but I won't get into that. And yes, I'm aware that Igbo has connections that extend past Nigeria in places like Equatorial Guinea and Sierra Leone, I'm not disputing that. Also, by me stating that certain areas have some Edo influence doesn't mean that I'm trying to colonize them.

Ihuomadinihu:

I want you to understand how things are done in Igboland. The Eze of Aro is on his own in Abia state. The Eze of Nri is equally in Nri with his people. None can impose any authority on the other,unlike what is obtained in Edoland. You are too damn ignorant.

and petulant too....lol

fratermathy:


"Rubbish".


Igbos being technocratic and handy has no bearing in Edo's cultural hegemony. You keep bringing up points to prove my initial premise. The fact that Igbos were "borrowed" by the Edos to do their beads and artifacts even give more credence to the idea that there Masons, carpenters and craftsmen took home what they have learned about Edo culture. This is a hypothesis. I'd write a scholarly article on this theory. Thanks for the pointers. This argument has been purposeful so far even though it was started on a faulty counter-premise.

Lmao. The Igbos had beads and artifacts way before the Benin people emerged. You should look up to the igbos not the other way round.

fratermathy:


"Rubbish".


Igbos being technocratic and handy has no bearing in Edo's cultural hegemony. You keep bringing up points to prove my initial premise. The fact that Igbos were "borrowed" by the Edos to do their beads and artifacts even give more credence to the idea that there Masons, carpenters and craftsmen took home what they have learned about Edo culture. This is a hypothesis. I'd write a scholarly article on this theory. Thanks for the pointers. This argument has been purposeful so far even though it was started on a faulty counter-premise.

Now you are shooting yourself

For edo to borrow Igbo artisans to do their artefacts points that Igbo must have developed artistic skills that awed edo so they have to borrow them ..this is what we term expertriates today


Sobas you can see Igbo was more artistic


You have not answered my questions
Your tribe
And
What factors show that Igbo kingship is akin or copied as you said to edo

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao. The Igbos had beads and artifacts way before the Benin people emerged. You should look up to the igbos not the other way round.

I taya for am

melzabull:
No one has tried to put words in your mouth here, they've only tried to correct your impression on you op on Igbo women dressing like Benin women, but for some funny reasons like tonychristopher noted earlier, you've proved incorrigible. This wolda saved a lot of arguments here

Correct impressions!!! That Igbos were not influenced by Edos in any way? There is nothing to be corrected there and hence my affirmative and retaliatory actions. If I made an error and it was rightly pointed out, I would have bowed and acknowledged it. I did so in some of my earlier posts concerning the Nupe people. This is a case I wont let go because the Igbo communities I know in Delta, Anambra and Enugu have systems "akin" and not necessarily copied from the Edo system.
If I say Anioma, Orlu, Oguta, Mbiase and other pockets of Igboid groups share some Monarchical and fashion-based similarities with Edo, their neighbour, then you have to counter-prove this with facts.

tonychristopher:


Now you are shooting yourself

For edo to borrow Igbo artisans to do their artefacts points that Igbo must have developed artistic skills that awed edo so they have to borrow them ..this is what we term expertriates today


Sobas you can see Igbo was more artistic


You have not answered my questions
Your tribe
And
What factors show that Igbo kingship is akin or copied as you said to edo

I have answered your questions. Screw up or check your mentions.

Igbos being more artistic or intelligent or what have we, have no bearing in their potentiality of being culturally hegemonised.

aim5:


Ha Benin has a connection with Guinea too but I won't get into that. And yes, I'm aware that Igbo has connections that extend past Nigeria in places like Equatorial Guinea and Sierra Leone, I'm not disputing that. Also, by me stating that certain areas have some Edo influence doesn't mean that I'm trying to colonize them.

Now you can agree with me ..having influence is different from colonising

fratermathy:


I have answered your questions. Screw up or check your mentions.

Igbos being more artistic or intelligent or what have we, have no bearing in their potentiality of being culturally hegemonised.

How ?

melzabull:
and petulant too....lol

and you my friend, are intellectually handicapped and adamantly intrusive.

fratermathy:


Correct impressions!!! That Igbos were not influenced by Edos in any way? There is nothing to be corrected there and hence my affirmative and retaliatory actions. If I made an error and it was rightly pointed out, I would have bowed and acknowledged it. I did so in some of my earlier posts concerning the Nupe people. This is a case I wont let go because the Igbo communities I know in Delta, Anambra and Enugu have systems "akin" and not necessarily copied from the Edo system.
If I say Anioma, Orlu, Oguta, Mbiase and other pockets of Igboid groups share some Monarchical and fashion-based similarities with Edo, their neighbour, then you have to counter-prove this with facts.

So what are you saying

You say that edo monarchial system is akin to Igbo notbtge other way round because NRI is older than Benin kingdom

melzabull:
No one has tried to put words in your mouth here, they've only tried to correct your impression on you op on Igbo women dressing like Benin women, but for some funny reasons like tonychristopher noted earlier, you've proved incorrigible. This wolda saved a lot of arguments here

He is very incorrigible and adamant

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao. The Igbos had beads and artifacts way before the Benin people emerged. You should look up to the igbos not the other way round.

So now you point is that Igbos produced beads right?

Maybe you dont know that the first bead import to the shores of Nigeria was at the behest of a Benin Oba.

I wont even argue on that because it relegate my intellectual acuity.

I have nothing against the Igbos. Heck, I am half Igbo. I also have no aversion to the Edos. I am not even one.
My point is simple, where cultural groups come together, one is usually dominant and its dominance reflects directly or indirectly in the surrounding groups. The Igboid groups I know and can account for were influenced by Edo kingdom. You can continue arguing this for 10 years. I'll stand my ground with even more proof.

fratermathy:


Correct impressions!!! That Igbos were not influenced by Edos in any way? There is nothing to be corrected there and hence my affirmative and retaliatory actions. If I made an error and it was rightly pointed out, I would have bowed and acknowledged it. I did so in some of my earlier posts concerning the Nupe people. This is a case I wont let go because the Igbo communities I know in Delta, Anambra and Enugu have systems "akin" and not necessarily copied from the Edo system.
If I say Anioma, Orlu, Oguta, Mbiase and other pockets of Igboid groups share some Monarchical and fashion-based similarities with Edo, their neighbour, then you have to counter-prove this with facts.

In you op, you gave the impression that Igbo 'borrowed from' or 'modelled after' Benin women in dressing. If you stated they were similar that's understandable and unarguable but you made bit sound like they 'stole' 'copied' from, hence the contest.

And yes i agree that some igboid group came into contact with edo with a little influence

fratermathy:


"Rubbish".


Igbos being technocratic and handy has no bearing in Edo's cultural hegemony. You keep bringing up points to prove my initial premise. The fact that Igbos were "borrowed" by the Edos to do their beads and artifacts even give more credence to the idea that there Masons, carpenters and craftsmen took home what they have learned about Edo culture. This is a hypothesis. I'd write a scholarly article on this theory. Thanks for the pointers. This argument has been purposeful so far even though it was started on a faulty counter-premise.

There's no Edo cultural hegemony in Igboland, maybe you could get away with saying that in Agbor but even they would refute that. What you have are influences and borrowings. Your comments about Eze or 'Igwe' titles negating 'republicanism' is wrong, and even with the borrowed Edo-ish warrant chief hamlet kingdoms, you'd still be wrong with that assertion.

tonychristopher:

He is very incorrigible and adamant

And you are intellectually myopic and verbally unpolished.

fratermathy:


Correct impressions!!! That Igbos were not influenced by Edos in any way? There is nothing to be corrected there and hence my affirmative and retaliatory actions. If I made an error and it was rightly pointed out, I would have bowed and acknowledged it. I did so in some of my earlier posts concerning the Nupe people. This is a case I wont let go because the Igbo communities I know in Delta, Anambra and Enugu have systems "akin" and not necessarily copied from the Edo system.
If I say Anioma, Orlu, Oguta, Mbiase and other pockets of Igboid groups share some Monarchical and fashion-based similarities with Edo, their neighbour, then you have to counter-prove this with facts.

If i say Edo women also copied Igbo dressing,how does it sound? My friend,these were one people that we can't even trace their origin or history. It is only plausible they share same customs and way of life. But to say that everything about Igbo was copied from Edo is a dumb overstatement. Stay in your lane!