johnydon22:


Hahahahaha No sir we can't see the entire table... we are only seeing part of the table visible to us ..

You are not seeing the back of the table, under the table, behind the legs or the other side of it...

Check again to see you cannot see the entire table but only part of it..

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I am taking it very gently to make this discussion enjoyable to both you and everyone reading..

Richirich713:


How desperate are u now?

Didn't u say I must prove the cup is on the table?

I can see all that, so far for that desperate attempt

Honestly brother you need to gather your wits you don't even know what exactly your argument is based on..

I only replied you when you said you can see the entire table and i have shown you that contrary to that you cannot see the entire table but just part of (Just like we can't see the whole universe as you proposed)

instead of simply accepting you cannot see the entire table just like i have taught you now, you jumped into another thing all together..

So please stop the childish show of clutching on unrelated premises. . . i am trying hard to maintain this as a friendly discussion and not an argument because an arguement only breeds resentment and hostility... and if i pull it out as an argument ......

Anyway do you now agree with me you can't see the entire table contrary to what you said that you can?


Between i am still waiting for you to prove there is no Cup on that table. . .looks like you are avoiding that...?

Richirich713:


instead of disproving what I said he play with words, this ain't English class, so go to school then go play with words.

What's funny is how u can twist words and meaning.
I was replying to the title of the forum, get it yet?

Contradiction - the act of saying something that is opposite or very different in meaning to something else. : a difference or disagreement between two things which means that both cannot be true.

So where the contradiction?

A contradiction is to believe that nothing existed before the world yet "nothing" made everything exist.

Assumption -a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

If u saying I'm making assumptions, I guess u making them to by claiming there is no God, yet with no proof.

winner01:

Atheist; There is no God.
Theists; The world didnt just bang itself into existence. God created it.
Atheist; Thats silly, you gotta prove that. show me God.
Theists; A good physical evidence is creation.
Atheist; Whats "creation" and why must there be a creator. Well, I dont know how existence came to be but why not just be honest like me and admit "You dont know".
[size=20]Theist; But i know, my reference is the Bible.[/size]
Atheist; Oh great,a man-made book
Theist; What then do you refer to.
Atheist; My knowledge and "More reasonable man-made books"
Theist; Ok, but why do you care so much? I mean, there is no God right.
Atheist; Simple, cos i dont believe and i need you and the world in general to think freely and "not believe" with me. We've been brainwashed for long. We need to stop believing.

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winner01:

Atheist; There is no God.
Theists; The world didnt just bang itself into existence. God created it.
Atheist; Thats silly, you gotta prove that. show me God.
Theists; A good physical evidence is creation.
Atheist; No, i said, "show me god"
Theists; He is invincible

hahn:


Fixed

johnydon22:


Lol... this was just what i wanted to use to and cub the back to back argument this evening..

Beauty of nature suggest there must be an invisible creator behind it.

i showed him how beauty of desert sand dune, the artistic depiction does not mean an invisible designer did but simply action of wind on dust...

Just like the flatness of the table i posted suggest there must be an invisible Cup on top of it..

Tonight was fun!!!

hahn:

They still don't get it though.
Well, tomorrow is another day
We'll be back arguing the non-existence of a supreme being

hahahahahaha But am still waiting for someone to prove to me that there is no red cup on my table..

I have absolute faith there is, i believe there is and i feel it in my heart. . . In fact i have had a personal experience of my red cup..

the flatness of the table surface suggest that it must have a cup on it .. (Cups have flat bases so it fits perfectly that the cup must be on top of that table..)



So hahn can you prove to me that there is no Cup on that table?

johnydon22:


hahahahahaha But am still waiting for someone to prove to me that there is no red cup on my table..

I have absolute faith there is, i believe there is and i feel it in my heart. . . In fact i have had a personal experience of my red cup..

the flatness of the table surface suggest that it must have a cup on it .. (Cups have flat bases so it fits perfectly that the cup must be on top of that table..)



So hahn can you prove to me that there is no Cup on that table?

winner01:

Atheist; There is no God.
Theists; The world didnt just bang itself into existence. God created it.
Atheist; Thats silly, you gotta prove that. show me God.
Theists; A good physical evidence is creation.
Atheist; Whats "creation" and why must there be a creator. Well, I dont know how existence came to be but why not just be honest like me and admit "You dont know".
Theist; But i know, my reference is the Bible.
Hahn; No i said show me God
Theist; His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that you are without excuse.

johnydon22:


Lol... this was just what i wanted to use to and cub the back to back argument this evening..

Beauty of nature suggest there must be an invisible creator behind it.

i showed him how beauty of desert sand dune, the artistic depiction does not mean an invisible designer did but simply action of wind on dust...

Just like the flatness of the table i posted suggest there must be an invisible Cup on top of it..

Tonight was fun!!!

Lol, Is this your "get out of jail card". Weak and Invalid card, why not tell us how life banged into existence or emerged by "natural interactions". And please if your reply is gon be "I dont know", dont even bother.

hahn:


I can't see any cup. So, to me the cup isn't there and it's only a figment of your imagination

No that you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there, you need to have faith and believe jt..

Don't you see? the flatness of the table suggest there must be a cup on top of it...
Is it not very obvious

You need to have faith and believe so you can have a personal experience of the cup by faith..

as a matter of fact i know there is a cup on that table and my reference is here in a book where it is written that there is..

You still have not proven there is no Cup there...

my book says there is...

winner01:
Lol, Is this your "get out of jail card". Weak and Invalid card, why not tell us how life banged into existence or emerged by "natural interactions". And please if your reply is gon be "I dont know", dont even bother.

which one is get out of the jail....lmao.. You already know that i don't know.... I wouldn't blow my own trumpet here let the people reading this determine which is a weak argument..

Actually i was not there so i will need an empirical study and scrutiny in order to determine what actually happened and this exactly what science is doing now... studying the available datas in order to reach a truthful approximation or do you expect me to assume up an answer?

So your answer remains I don't know sir ...

johnydon22:
which one is get out of the jail....lmao.. You already know that i don't know.... I wouldn't blow my own trumpet here let the people reading this determine which is a weak argument..

Actually i was not there so i will need an empirical study and scrutiny in order to determine what actually happened and this exactly what science is doing now... studying the available datas in order to reach a truthful approximation or do you expect me to assume up an answer?

So your answer remains I don't know sir ...

Lmao, same old line..So what do you want na You want us not to know with you shey

Richirich713:
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winner01:
Relaxx chief, Im on the winning side. God has redeemed us. We are winners.

herald9:
Richirich713 is a clown

Teempakguy:
like i earlier said, belief is not what you are saying it is. it has nothing to do with evidence or proof anything. read my earlier posts. i hate repeating things.

I was quite surprised when you identified and agreed fully to be atheistic bro..

What really happened, am curious ?

Richirich713:


Actually if u go thru the posts u will see who are the clowns.

This thread is supposed to be about God but
Look how many tables u see at this thread.
Look how desperate they are to get me to participate in analyzing their illustrations.

Look how I exposed how bad their argument is by comparing a table to the universe.
Look how 1 of them tried to go 2 another illustration of a dead body cuz he realized the table was a bad argument.

Look how their leader tried to convince them that a bad argument was actually a good argument.
Look how he tries to convince them that the table can represent the universe.

herald9:

Really?

All I saw was an intellectually dishonest dude, called Richirich713

Hahahahahaha in all sincerity i wouldn't like to be this guy on this thread honestly..

the thread is is just so open and people are reading it, instead of someone blowing their own trumpets claiming feats they can't achieve why not simply let people who read it to judge who got dismantled tonight... Isn't it better that way bro?

johnydon22:
I was quite surprised when you identified and agreed fully to be atheistic bro..

What really happened, am curious ?

Richirich713:


Actually if u go thru the posts u will see who are the clowns.

This thread is supposed to be about God but
Look how many tables u see at this thread.
Look how desperate they are to get me to participate in analyzing their illustrations.

Look how I exposed how bad their argument is by comparing a table to the universe.
Look how 1 of them tried to go 2 another illustration of a dead body cuz he realized the table was a bad argument.

Look how their leader tried to convince them that a bad argument was actually a good argument.
Look how he tries to convince them that the table can represent the universe.

herald9:

Really?

All I saw was an intellectually dishonest dude, called Richirich713

Teempakguy:

wow . . . that's a very long story.

the fact that God actually has NO evidence to support his own existence.

Hahahaha this always the funniest that a being that supposedly exists needs human to tell other humans and threaten them to believe it exists...

Only a man made God will need man to make itself known to man.. Am i right?

and most shocking, the fact that once upon a time, 70% of the entire world once wholly believed Zeus existed. that is so mind-blowing.

Lol..

Hellenistic religion is still practised today. . . Many people still worship Zeus as the one true God till this day..

Please don't blow your mind again on hearing this, i wouldn't like to answer to the police ..

and i think a lot. the more i thought, the more i realized i could have been tricked . . . by other people who have been tricked themselves, the blind leading the blind.

the final blow, was surprisingly somewhat insignificant to most people.
god destroying Sodom and Gomorrah because they were gay and sinful. as well as killing a man's only wife of many years because she looked back. something most of these hypocritical Christians would do anyway, and then totally watching as his two daughters drugged him and had sex with him. i didn't know my mouth was wide open until some saliva dropped on the screen of the phone with which i was reading the bible.

lmao... you never really read your bible

remember yahweh was looking for at least 10 good people and he will spare the city but they must be thousands of innocent children in that city..

are these innocent numbers not good enough to spare the city since it was looking for 10 good people and these innocent children surely must have been in their hundreds of thousands.

I am sure this one never came to mind

that went against all of my morals, everything i had ever learned, they never told me what lot's daughters did. they only told me about how the greed of his wife killed her. and i never bothered to even read the place. i just assumed.
so i decided that such a God was not worth my worship. i would rather burn in hell than live with such a god for eternity.

Lmao...you deh vex oo... my girl friend is worth worshipping more so though

but then i realized that the book was written by Moses who was not there. he made it all up.

so i went from hating God to finding him hilarious.

since then, i just kept laughing at the outrageous claims the bible made. it's not real, damn it. some talented writers who had not yet discovered that just admitting you wrote a lot of bullcrap can get you a lot of money and can even get your book made into movies made it all up.

and then, the argument i posed in my diary where i came open, sealed the deal.
so . . . here i am.

Had being an incredible journey so far i must say Always remain a freethinker and avoid making absolute assertions ..

MzNelly:
There is a God...

I take it you are referring to an anthropomorphic Personal God...

A very nice and noble sentiment sweetheart (Though wreaks of absolutism)

Anyway am sure you don't mind when i say i don't believe you until you prove your claim right hun?

Because claims require proof for substantiation and absolute claims like this require absolute proof ..

johnydon22:

I take it you are referring to an anthropomorphic Personal God...

A very nice and noble sentiment sweetheart (Though wreaks of absolutism)

Anyway am sure you don't mind when i say i don't believe you until you prove your claim right hun?

Because claims require proof for substantiation and absolute claims like this require absolute proof ..

MzNelly:

I know deep down you believe there is a God.

Hahahahahaha avoid unfounded assumptions my dear cus really you don't. . . You just lied..

As a matter of fact i know deep down that i do not ... i lack what it takes to believe such vague concepts..

In fact let me make my position clear...
Let it never be mistaken that i believe in a Personal anthropomorphic God concept as one theism proposes.

Johnydon22 lacks belief in Personal Gods/God... i find such concepts childish and a feeble attempt to make sense of what is and a work of noble imaginative minds..

clear now?

Who are you kidding?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahaha avoid unfounded assumptions my dear cus really you don't. . . You just lied..

As a matter of fact i know deep down that i do not ... i lack what it takes to believe such vague concepts..

In fact let me make my position clear... Let it never be mistaken that i believe in a Personal anthropomorphic God concept as one theism proposes.

Johnydon22 lacks belief in Gods/God...
clear now?


Actually nobody, i am only honest with myself not to pretend there are imaginary fairie in the sky..

MzNelly:


If you found out He actually did exist, what then?