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Why Are Black Africans Moslems Considered Inferior by The Arabs Moslems

I wouldnt know why as Islam does not give room for discrimination. The Holy Prophet in his last sermon told us that:

"O people! Verily your Lord is one and your father is one. All of you belong to one ancestry of Adam, and Adam was created out of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious."Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Allah is not after skin color or race but after piety so also the prophet in all his sermon.

You would have heard about Bilal ibn Rabah or Bilal al-Habeshi , a black emanticipated slave of Umayyah ibn Khalaf who came from Ethiopia and accepted Islam through the teaching of Muhammed on equality and that no race, color etc in Islam and that all are equal but differs through piety.

Bilal though a black man faced severe torture from his master when he learnt that Bilal accepted Islam. He would made him lay on hot sand and put heavy stones on his body so that the sand would burn his skin as a result of his inability to move and this touched the prophet that he sent for Abubakr who bought Bilal's freedom and made him the first Muezzin.

Now, the prophet and other Arabs then wouldnt have freed Bilal and made him the first Muezzin if Arabs are more superior to Black as Bilal happened to be a black man and was given that post amongst thousands of Arabs!!

Lets leave the story of Bilal aside. We also learnt about another Slave from Rome called Suhayb bin Sinan who was tortured by enemies of Islam and led Arabs in prayer despite his being not an Arab!!

There is also Shawdhab, an African martyr and Khabbab bin al-Arratt also from Africa and John bin Huwai a slave from Ethiopia. They are still respected in the Muslim world and not discriminated as a result of their race.

Lastly Horus, the Prophet (saw) said:

"O people! Verily your Lord is one and your father is one. All of you belong to one ancestry of Adam, and Adam was created out of clay. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious."

You would have heard about Bilal ibn Rabah or Bilal al-Habeshi , a black emanticipated slave of Umayyah ibn Khalaf who came from Ethiopia and accepted Islam through the teaching of Muhammed on equality and that no race, color etc in Islam and that all are equal but differs through piety.

bilal bin rabah was not from habasha or the african continent. he was an arab born in yemen and raised amongst hijazi arabs of bani jumah he is known also as ibn hamama.
siyar alam imam dhahabi

Lets leave the story of Bilal aside. We also learnt about another Slave from Rome called Suhayb bin Sinan who was tortured by enemies of Islam and led Arabs in prayer despite his being not an Arab

suhaib bin sinan bin malik bin abdul3mr bin 3qail bin 3amr bin jandal bin judhaiba bin k3b bin s3d bin aslam bin aus manat bin namr bin qasit bin afsa bin d3mi bin judaila bin asad bin  rab3a bin nizar bin m3d bin adnan is an arab also who was born in iraq, not rome. he was captured by romans and sold into slavery in rome.
siyar alam imam dhahabi

and Khabbab bin al-Arratt also from Africa

khabbab binal aratt is an arab also who was in the service for utbah bin ghazwan
he is khabbab binal aratt bin jandala bin s3d bin khuzaima bin k3b bin s3d of banu tamiim

Bilal ibn Rabah of course he was black I am sure it is well known. Also at the time Yemen was part of the Abbisinian kingdom and that kingdom is present day horn of africa especially Ancient Ethiopia and Eritrea.

PS. Arabs dont look down on Black muslim only minority rich do and they have or are falling now brother. All arabs are not the same brother.

Horus:

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Horus, can you let us see some reasons why you said Arab Muslims considered the black Muslims to be inferior?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is a dialogue that at least tells us that Bilal ibn Rabah [ra] is known to be a person with non arab but ethiopian mother.

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Tee
17-11-2008, 03:36 PM
Salam NNour.

Thank you for your comments/suggestions. Actually, this is the first time I've posted something on a discussion forum and I saw the name "sunni forum", so I took it seriously. If anyone asks me where I get any of what I said from, I will give the source without hesitation. But from the responses I've been getting so far, it seems like a lot of people aren't interested in the truth. The sources that I have are in Arabic, so I need to know if the people who need the sources can read Arabic. The information I have is from books like Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa by Al Hafidh Al Dhahabi, Al Tabaqaat by Ibn Sa'ad, Al Isaaba Fi Tamyeez Al Sahaaba, Lisan Al Arab, Fiqh Al Lugha by Al Tha'alabi, Taarikh Al Khulafaa by Al Suyouti, Al Kaamal fi Al Taarikh, and other books.

If it's proven beyond a shadow of doubt that Ali ibn Abi Talib was described the same color that Bilal ibn Abi Rabah was described, would that be enough proof? Everyone knows how pure Ali's blood was. So look at his description in Taarikh Al Khulafaa and Al Tabaqaat and then look at Bilal's description in Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa and other books and see how they were both described the same color. Abu Dharr Al Ghaffari, who insulted Bilal because his mother was an Ethiopian slave, was also described as black-skinned. You can find this in Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa. The noble shurafa descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib were also described as black-skinned. Read the description of Mohamed ibn Abdella ibn Hasan ibn Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib, who was called An Nafs Al Zakia. He was described as black-skinned. Read the description of his brother Musa Al Jown. Al Jown means the black. He was described as black-skinned. Read the description of Musa Al Kadhim and Ja'afar Al Saadiq. They too were described as black-skinned. Those are the shurafaa, the noble descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib. They were all described as black-skinned. This is not something that I am making up. All of this is mentioned in the reliable books. All the Muslims have to do is read and stop expecting to learn history from movies on TV.

Concerning how the Arabs became lighter today. It's from the result of mixing with non-Arabs like Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc. This started with the Islamic conquests.

Concerning your question about Adam, I don't quite understand what you mean by "his contemporaries". Adam (AS) was the first man.
Tee
17-11-2008, 03:42 PM
Salam NNour.

Thank you for your comments/suggestions. Actually, this is the first time I've posted something on a discussion forum and I saw the name "sunni forum", so I took it seriously. If anyone asks me where I get any of what I said from, I will give the source without hesitation. But from the responses I've been getting so far, it seems like a lot of people aren't interested in the truth. The sources that I have are in Arabic, so I need to know if the people who need the sources can read Arabic. The information I have is from books like Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa by Al Hafidh Al Dhahabi, Al Tabaqaat by Ibn Sa'ad, Al Isaaba Fi Tamyeez Al Sahaaba, Lisan Al Arab, Fiqh Al Lugha by Al Tha'alabi, Taarikh Al Khulafaa by Al Suyouti, Al Kaamal fi Al Taarikh, and other books.

If it's proven beyond a shadow of doubt that Ali ibn Abi Talib was described the same color that Bilal ibn Rabah was described, would that be enough proof? Everyone knows how pure Ali's blood was. So look at his description in Taarikh Al Khulafaa and Al Tabaqaat and then look at Bilal's description in Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa and other books and see how they were both described the same color. Abu Dharr Al Ghaffari, who insulted Bilal because his mother was an Ethiopian slave, was also described as black-skinned. You can find this in Siyar A'laam Al Nubalaa. The noble shurafa descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib were also described as black-skinned. Read the description of Mohamed ibn Abdella ibn Hasan ibn Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib, who was called An Nafs Al Zakia. He was described as black-skinned. Read the description of his brother Musa Al Jown. Al Jown means the black. He was described as black-skinned. Read the description of Musa Al Kadhim and Ja'afar Al Saadiq. They too were described as black-skinned. Those are the shurafaa, the noble descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib. They were all described as black-skinned. This is not something that I am making up. All of this is mentioned in the reliable books. All the Muslims have to do is read and stop expecting to learn history from movies on TV.

Concerning how the Arabs became lighter today. It's from the result of mixing with non-Arabs like Romans, Greeks, Persians, etc. This started with the Islamic conquests.

Concerning your question about Adam, I don't quite understand what you mean by "his contemporaries". Adam (AS) was the first man.
Tee
17-11-2008, 04:35 PM
Salam Abu Hajira,

Here are the references you asked for for the tafsir of the verses in surat Hijr:

Jalal Eddine Mohamed Ahmed El-Mahalli and Jalal Eddine Abdel Rahman El-Sayouti say in their tafsir of the Quran called Tafsir El-Jalaalain:

“Hama is black mud.” (من حمأ ( طين أسود

Al Tabari says in his tafsir of the Quran:

“As for His words ‘from hama masnoun’, hama is the plural of ham_a which is mud that has been altered to the color black.”
وأما قوله "من حمإ مسنون" فإن الحمأ : جمع حمأة ، وهو الطين المتغير إلى السواد

Mohamed ibn Ali Al-Shawkaani says in his tafsir of the Quran called Fath Al Qadir:

“Hama is black mud; either black mud that has been altered or black mud that hasn’t been altered.
والحمأ: الطين الأسود المتغير. أو الطين الأسود من غير تقييد بالمتغير

Al-Baidawi says in his tafsir:

“From hama” means from mud which was altered and is black.
" من حمإ" طين تغير واسود من طول محاورة الماء

Al-Baghawi says in his tafsir:

“From hama” and hama is black mud.
من حمإ"، والحمأ: الطين الأسود"

Al-Baghawi also said:

“There are some hadith that say that Allah fermented the mud that
Adam was created from and let it sit until it became altered and
black and then He created Adam peace be upon him from it (the black, altered mud).”
وفي بعض الآثار: إن الله عز وجل خمر طينة آدم وتركه حتى صار متغيرا أسود، ثم خلق منه آدم عليه السلام

Ibn al-Qayyim said:
“When the perfection, complete power, all-encompassing knowledge, ever-executed will and utmost wisdom of the Lord decreed that His creation should be of materials of different kinds, and that they should vary in their forms and attributes and natures, His wisdom decreed that He should take a handful of dust from the earth, then mix it with water. So it became like black stinking mud. Then the wind was sent upon it and it dried out, until it became clay like pottery. Then it was given shape and limbs and faculties, and each part of it was given a shape suited to its purpose.” (Tabaayun fi Aqsaam al-Quran, p. 204)

Expaining hama, which is also found in verse 86 of surat El-Kahf, Ibn Kathir says in his tafsir:

Hamia is a lot of ham_a and ham_a means black mud.
" حمئة " أي كثيرة الحمأة وهي الطينة السوداء

Concerning the color of Musa (AS):

Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal related in his Masnad (hadith number 3365) the following description that the prophet Mohamed (pbuh) gave of Musa’s color:

وَرَأَيْتُ مُوسَى أَسْحَمَ آدَمَ
Musa was jet-black skinned.

Muslim relates in his Sahih Muslim (hadith numbers 239 and 243) that Ibn Abbas said that the prophet Mohamed (pbuh) described Musa’s (Moses’) appearance as follows:

َأَمَّا مُوسَى فَرَجُلٌ آدَمُ جَعْدٌ
As for Musa (Moses), he was black-skinned and kinky-haired. (hadith 243)

قَالَ ذَكَرَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ حِينَ أُسْرِيَ بِهِ فَقَالَ مُوسَى آدَمُ طُوَالٌ كَأَنَّهُ مِنْ رِجَالِ شَنُوءَةَ
He (Ibn Abbas) said that the prophet (pbuh) mentioned the time he was ascended to the Heavens and he said that Musa (Moses) was black-skinned and tall as if he was from the tribe of Shanuaa. (hadith 239)

Also, Allah says in verse 108 of surat El-Aaraaf:

وَنَزَعَ يَدَهُ فَإِذَا هِيَ بَيْضَاء لِلنَّاظِرِينَ And he drew forth his hand (from his bosom): and lo! it was white for the beholders. [El-Aaraaf- verse 108]

Al-Quortobi says in his tafsir of the verse:

وكان موسى أسمر شديد السمرة
Musa was black-skinned.

The authors of Tafsir Al-Jalalain say in their tafsir of the verse:

(ونزع يده) أخرجها من جيبه (فإذا هي بيضاء) ذات شعاع (للناظرين) خلاف ما كانت عليه من الأدمة
‘He took out his hand’ means that he took his hand out of his pocket. ‘And it was white for the beholders’ means that it was radiant and was no longer black like it was originally.

Al-Tabari says in his tafsir of the verse:

وكان موسى، فيما ذكر لنا، آدم، فجعل الله تحول يده بيضاء من غير برص، له آية
According to what we were told, Musa was black-skinned and Allah made Musa’s hand turning white, without being affected by leprosy, a sign for him.

Al-Baidawi says in his tafsir of the verse:
روي : أنه عليه السلام كان آدم شديد الأدمة ، فأدخل يده في جيبه أو تحت إبطه ثم نزعها فإذا هي بيضاء نورانية غلب شعاعها شعاع الشمس
It is related that Musa (pbuh) was jet-black-skinned. He put his hand in his pocket or under his armpit and took it out and it was white.

Al-Baghawi says in his tafsir of the verse:
وكان موسى آدم ، ثم أدخلها جيبه فصارت كما كان
Musa (Moses) was black-skinned. Then (after withdrawing his hand from his pocket white) he put his hand back in his pocket and it turned back to the color that it was.


Concerning the color of the Arabs:

El-Fadl ibn El-Abbas ibn ‘Utba El-Lahabi said:


وأَنا الأَخْضَرُ، من يَعْرِفُنـي؟
أَخْضَرُ الـجِلْدَةِ فـي بـيتِ العَرَبْ

"I am the green (black) one. Who knows me?
My skin is green (black). I am from the family of the Arabs.

Ibn Mandhor, the author of Lisan Al-Arab says this about the verse:

يقول: أَنا خالص لأَن أَلوان العرب السمرة
“He says that he is a pure Arab because the color of the Arabs is dark.”
In Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhor also quotes the author of Al-Tahdhib, Saad Al-Din Masud ibn Umar Al-Taftaazaani (1312-1389 A.D.) as saying the following about the verse:

فـي هذا البـيت قولان: أَحدهما أَنه أَراد أَسود الـجلدة؛ قال: قاله أَبو طالب النـحوي، وقـيل: أَراد أَنه من خالص العرب وصميمهم لأَن الغالب علـى أَلوان العرب الأُدْمَةُ،

“There are two sayings about this verse. One is that he meant that he had black skin. This is what Abu Talib El-Nahwi said. It is also said that he meant that he is a pure unmixed Arab because most Arabs are black-skinned.”

Abdella ibn Berry (1106-1187 A.D.), the “King of the Grammarians” as he was called, said the following about the verse:

قال ابن بري: نسب الـجوهري هذا البـيت للهبـي، وهو الفضل بن العباس بن عُتْبَةَ بن أَبـي لَهَبٍ، وأَراد بالـخضرة سمرة لونه، وإِنما يريد بذلك خـلوص نسبه وأَنه عربـي مـحض، لأَن العرب تصف أَلوانها بالسواد وتصف أَلوان العجم بالـحمرة. وفـي الـحديث: بُعثت إِلـى الأَحمر والأَسود؛ وهذا الـمعنى بعينه هو الذي أَراده مسكين الدارمي فـي قوله
أَنا مسكِينٌ لـمن يَعرفنيْ،
لَوْنِـي السُّمْرَةُ أَلوانُ العَرَبْ

"Al-Jawhari attributed this verse to Al-Lahabi and he is Al-Fadl ibn Al-Abbas ibn ‘Utba ibn Abi Lahab and he meant by green the darkness of his complexion and he meant by that the purity of his genealogy and that he was an unmixed Arab because the Arabs describe their color as black and they describe the color of the non-Arabs as red. Like the hadith says, ‘I was sent to the red and the black. And this is exactly what Miskeen El-Darimi meant when he said:
‘I am Miskeen, for those who know me.
My color is brown (dark), the color of the Arabs’”.

Miskeen said this verse to a woman who refused to marry him because of his blackness and his poorness. Miskeen was a pure Arab from the tribe of Darim, which is a branch of Tamim, and he was black-skinned. . .



. . . Are you saying that you don't believe what the scholars of the past said about the appearance of the original Arabs? Are you implying that Musa was black-skinned because he was mixed and that the other Hebrews were light? Read again what the scholars said about the appearance of the original Arabs:

El-Fadl ibn El-Abbas ibn ‘Utba El-Lahabi said:


وأَنا الأَخْضَرُ، من يَعْرِفُنـي؟
أَخْضَرُ الـجِلْدَةِ فـي بـيتِ العَرَبْ

I am the green (black) one. Who knows me?
My skin is green (black). I am from the family of the Arabs.

Ibn Mandhor, the author of Lisan El-Arab says this about the verse:

يقول: أَنا خالص لأَن أَلوان العرب السمرة“He says that he is a pure Arab because the color of the Arabs is dark.”
In Lisan El-Arab, Ibn Mandhor also quotes the author of El-Tahdhib, Saad El-Din Masud ibn Umar El-Taftaazaani (1312-1389 A.D.) as saying the following about the verse:

فـي هذا البـيت قولان: أَحدهما أَنه أَراد أَسود الـجلدة؛ قال: قاله أَبو طالب النـحوي، وقـيل: أَراد أَنه من خالص العرب وصميمهم لأَن الغالب علـى أَلوان العرب الأُدْمَةُ،

“There are two sayings about this verse. One is that he meant that he had black skin. This is what Abu Talib El-Nahwi said. It is also said that he meant that he is a pure unmixed Arab because most Arabs are black-skinned.”

Abdella ibn Berry (1106-1187 A.D.), the “King of the Grammarians” as he was called, said the following about the verse:

قال ابن بري: نسب الـجوهري هذا البـيت للهبـي، وهو الفضل بن العباس بن عُتْبَةَ بن أَبـي لَهَبٍ، وأَراد بالـخضرة سمرة لونه، وإِنما يريد بذلك خـلوص نسبه وأَنه عربـي مـحض، لأَن العرب تصف أَلوانها بالسواد وتصف أَلوان العجم بالـحمرة. وفـي الـحديث: بُعثت إِلـى الأَحمر والأَسود؛ وهذا الـمعنى بعينه هو الذي أَراده مسكين الدارمي فـي قوله
أَنا مسكِينٌ لـمن يَعْرِفُنـي،
لَوْنِـي السُّمْرَةُ أَلوانُ العَرَبْ

“El-Jawhari attributed this verse to El-Lahabi and he is El-Fadl ibn El-Abbas ibn ‘Utba ibn Abi Lahab and he meant by green the darkness of his complexion and he meant by that the purity of his genealogy and that he was an unmixed Arab because the Arabs describe their color as black and they describe the color of the non-Arabs as red. Like the hadith says, ‘I was sent to the red and the black. And this is exactly what Miskeen El-Darimi meant when he said:
‘I am Miskeen, for those who know me.
My color is dark, the color of the Arabs’”.Miskeen said this verse to a woman who refused to marry him because of his blackness and his poorness.
Lisan El-Arab (an old Arabic dictionary) mentions Shamar’s explanation of the hadiths that say that the prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said that he was sent to the blacks and the reds. Shamir explains the hadiths as follows:

قال شمر: يعنـي العرب والعجم والغالب علـى أَلوان العرب السُّمرة والأُدْمَة وعلـى أَلوان العجم البـياض والـحمرة،“He means (by the blacks and the reds) the Arabs and the non-Arabs and the complexion of most Arabs is dark and black and the complexion of most non-Arabs is white and red.”

Ibn Mandhour says in his book Lisan El-Arab:

سبوطة الشعر هي الغالبة علـى شعور العجم من الروم والفرس. و جُعودة الشعر هي الغالبة علـى شعور العرب

“Non-kinky hair is the kind of hair that most non-Arabs like the Romans and Persians have while kinky hair is the kind of hair that most Arabs have.” . . . .

wat lies. in the Gulf, ur salary is literally based on ur skin color. arabs look down on black man. if u r truly black, den u will know wat it is lyk to face discrimination at der hands. all this imamm abi talib n all dat stories r bullcr.ap. d real scenario is totally different. u ppl srsly live in aa dreamworld. ==

PAGAN 9JA:

wat lies. in the Gulf, your salary is literally based on your skin color. arabs look down on black man. if u r truly black, den u will know wat it is lyk to face discrimination at der hands. all this imamm abi talib n all dat stories r bullcr.ap. d real scenario is totally different. u ppl srsly live in aa dreamworld. ==

Correct man tell them.

These rather foolish black africans who have been brainwashed into accepting arab culture,language and religion,so much so they can tell you what happened in Saudi Arabia 1,500 years ago ,but know absolutely nothing about their own great grand fathers.

I got fed up with all the crap I kept to myself. Arguing about Ibn kathb, Imam Ali, fatima AS blah,blah blah . . . .

Bilal ibn Rabah of course he was black I am sure it is well known. Also at the time Yemen was part of the Abbisinian kingdom and that kingdom is present day horn of africa especially Ancient Ethiopia and Eritrea.

this is not what was said. No doubt about his skin complexion but the misnomer of him, suhaib, or khabaab being non-arabs is slander on the companions of the prophet.

^^^^^^^

are you saying there were no foreign born and non arabs among the companions, except sayiddina Salman Al Farsi, and those seyyid who were bani Israil?

remember that this community is under the messenger prophet, the only one sent to all people, being the last one and must unite all mankind and not just his arab tribes, but the human tribes.

it is going to hard to believe that Allah did not let any european and african be represented, the messenger [as] clearly wrote leaders of the world, inviting them to come into islam.

islam is not an exclusive club like the ethnic based judaism or human god presence on earth belief of the christian.


God is One and He Lords over every person and all the messengers and prophets He sent including the last Messenger Prophet Muhammad are recognized as coming from Him. we dont take any of them mere patriarch because we do see and or recognized their miracles or works, and messages like some others.

Sweetnecta:

islam is not an exclusive club like the ethnic based judaism or human god presence on earth belief of the christian.


God is One and He Lords over every person and all the messengers and prophets He sent including the last Messenger Prophet Muhammad are recognized as coming from Him. we dont take any of them mere patriarch because we do see and or recognized their miracles or works, and messages like some others.

Ever figured out why blacks are POPULARLY called "abd" in arab countries? Let me break the secret - it means SLAVE.

@davidylan; have you ever figured out why everyone on earth is called 'abd' in the universal Quran? let me break it to you, it is 'slave'. Only, Allah The Loving, The Powerful and Sublime, Irresistible, etc, just that i need to stop listing His 'Qualities, Names', is The Master, Lord and God of all, including Jesus [by Jesus saying 'my Lord and your Lord is but One God, and He is in heaven].

Incidentally, the slaves and or servants of Jesus are slave and or servants of the servant and slave of God. incidentally, I, sweetnecta and Jesus christ son of Mary who you have imposed upon yourself as your lord god, but truly a human prophet from his lips have a single Lord God. jesus called Him Eloh, or Alah. i call Him Olodumare or Allah.

A worldwide public announcement; Davidylan and his 'arabs' are in world class dilution.

both are slaves of God in the same breathe that I am a slave of God.

While davidylan layered himself being slave of Jesus, who himself is a slave of God, the 'arabs' are lying to themselves claiming that only blacks are slaves. the erroneous saying of both of them is only denial of truth, but shall never change the facts.


i advise the 'arabs' of davidylan first to go to the Quran to see that they, too, are abd.

i advise davidylan to go into his bibles to see that even jesus his master is 'slave or if you will, servant', too. how better is the condition of davidylan, if his master is a slave? davidylan is nothing less a double glazed slave if you read his bibles.

Wow, This is a very interesting topic. You guys really know your stuff!

Sweetnecta:

islam is not an exclusive club like the ethnic based judaism or human god presence on earth belief of the christian.


God is One and He Lords over every person and all the messengers and prophets He sent including the last Messenger Prophet Muhammad are recognized as coming from Him. we dont take any of them mere patriarch because we do see and or recognized their miracles or works, and messages like some others.

The more you say these nonsense the more it makes you feel better.

Which religion tasks you to pray in 'the holy language' (arabic).

Even you have to visit the 'holy land' (mecca) as part of your pillars of faith.

Last time I checked 'Bismillah. . . . ' isn't a Nigerian phrase.

Wake up . . . .black man !!!

Sweetnecta:

@davidylan; have you ever figured out why everyone on earth is called 'abd' in the universal Quran? let me break it to you, it is 'slave'. Only, Allah The Loving, The Powerful and Sublime, Irresistible, etc, just that i need to stop listing His 'Qualities, Names', is The Master, Lord and God of all, including Jesus [by Jesus saying 'my Lord and your Lord is but One God, and He is in heaven].

Incidentally, the slaves and or servants of Jesus are slave and or servants of the servant and slave of God. incidentally, I, sweetnecta and Jesus christ son of Mary who you have imposed upon yourself as your lord god, but truly a human prophet from his lips have a single Lord God. jesus called Him Eloh, or Alah. i call Him Olodumare or Allah.

Olodumare/Olorun is te Pagan deity of the Yorubas. im glad to noe dat u r finally returing to Paganism and the old Gods.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you are completely wrong mr. pagan9ja [i wanted to stop at mr. pagan, but people and even you may see it as an abuse of your person].

Olodumare/Olorun is universally yoruba words for The One Single God. Like they say; birds do it, bees do it. but the 'doing' of the do it of each animal is unique to that animal specie. it is the uniqueness Olodumare/Olorun on the tongues of the yorubas; the christians will mean Jehovah, and bot Jesus or Ghost when they say it. if there have been jews among the yorubas in the weird way there were the falachian jews among the ethiopians, that yoruba jews would be meaning Yahweh. the muslims mean Allah.


yet, when pastoraio of ifa worship [i sincerely hope he is not an ifa worshiper] says the same words, he would be meaning Whoever is the Master of the Ifa.

if your hausa paganism could transport its worship and conduct that worship in yoruba language, when you mention the words, you will not be meaning the idol you made with your own intellect [i'm sure you smarter that the worthless thing can do jack for you], but the Unseen that you know is God and Lord over you, but because you are programmed to be visual and you just can get out of that rot/mindset, you are satisfying your lust with something physical, your idol.

but the Unseen, God in this case does not need a worthless thing like your idol god to represent Him.

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you are completely wrong mr. pagan9ja [i wanted to stop at mr. pagan, but people and even you may see it as an abuse of your person].

Olodumare/Olorun is universally yoruba words for The One Single God. Like they say; birds do it, bees do it. but the 'doing' of the do it of each animal is unique to that animal specie. it is the uniqueness Olodumare/Olorun on the tongues of the yorubas; the christians will mean Jehovah, and bot Jesus or Ghost when they say it. if there have been jews among the yorubas in the weird way there were the falachian jews among the ethiopians, that yoruba jews would be meaning Yahweh. the muslims mean Allah.


yet, when pastoraio of ifa worship [i sincerely hope he is not an ifa worshiper] says the same words, he would be meaning Whoever is the Master of the Ifa.

if your hausa paganism could transport its worship and conduct that worship in yoruba language, when you mention the words, you will not be meaning the idol you made with your own intellect [i'm sure you smarter that the worthless thing can do jack for you], but the Unseen that you know is God and Lord over you, but because you are programmed to be visual and you just can get out of that rot/mindset, you are satisfying your lust with something physical, your idol.

but the Unseen, God in this case does not need a worthless thing like your idol god to represent Him.

u r wrong again. Olodumare/Olorun is not a word for the Only God.  It is the word for the SUPREME GOD. Just lyk in pre-islamic arabia, Allat was the supreme God, in Greek mythology, it was Zeus or in Hinduism, it is Brahma as the Supreme God. but it doesnt mean he was the[i] only [/i] God. NO. there r other lesser deities also. its jus that the Supreme God is all powerful and the creator.

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Muslim Arab racism towards Black Muslims in Iraq. Still called "Slaves"

Huh, I saw that video a few months ago. Anyway it's admirable the way that man handles his situation.

@ horus why black christians considered inferior by white christians why they colonized them enslave them stole their natural resources  brain washed them with  their "Gospel" why racism and apartheid were practiced by white christians to dominate black christians  in this day of age

Araboy:

@ horus why black christians considered inferior by white christians why they colonized them enslave them stole their natural resources  brain washed them with  their "Gospel" why racism and apartheid were practiced by white christians to dominate black christians  in this day of age 

i think we need a new thread for that.

Araboy:

@ horus why black christians considered inferior by white christians why they colonized them enslave them stole their natural resources brain washed them with their "Gospel" why racism and apartheid were practiced by white christians to dominate black christians in this day of age

Very simple racism is a human trait. Majority of human beings are inherently racist- whether Yoruba to hausa or Caucasian to Negro or Arab to Black African .

The only sad thing about islam based racism is that it has been woven into the fabric of the faith as you can only pray 'properly' to the muslim God in Arabic,as well as pray facing the holy land in Arabia  5 times a day.

In addition to learning the 'language of God' - arabic.

Most christians cannot and do not try to speak Hebrew,Greek or Arhamaic (the language of Jesus) because as all things human - its temporary 

No, it's been proven that humans are not inherently racist. Racism is a learned trait.

Racism- beliving certain people are superior or inferior.

The Arabs probably turned racist beacuse of their involvment in the slave trade. Keep in mind many Arabs at that time would rarely have seen a black person who wasn't a slave so they presumably began to think of black ppl as inferior, in addition to the fact that the blacks they saw were also pagan. They probably also justfied their actions by convincing themselves that black Africans are inferior.

There are some places were Arabs and black people met on more equal terms with less racism.

People need to stop beliving that "everybody is racist" because that is simply not true. Racism is a learned behavior and Ethnocentrism is cultural.

pleep:

The Arabs probably turned racist beacuse of their involvment in the slave trade. Keep in mind many Arabs at that time would rarely have seen a black person who wasn't a slave so they presumably began to think of black ppl as inferior, in addition to the fact that the blacks they saw were also pagan. They probably also justfied their actions by convincing themselves that black Africans are inferior.

There are some places were Arabs and black people met on more equal terms with less racism.

People need to stop beliving that "everybody is racist" because that is simply not true. Racism is a learned behavior and Ethnocentrism is cultural.

wat do you mean by that so if u r Pagan, u should be discriminated

werent d arabs themselves Pagan at one point

The individual racist is an ignorant with low self esteem he could be white arab black
or chinese Judging people on their skin tone instead of their character is an abomination

wat do you mean by that   so if u r Pagan, u should be discriminated   

haha no of course not. I'm just saying that it's a  way they justified their racism & slave trade.

chief Imam:

Horus, can you let us see some reasons why you said Arab Muslims considered the black Muslims to be inferior?

One of my muslim friend traveled throughout the Middle East and North Africa; he shared with me with deep sadness how dark skinned Africans were treated negative in Mecca , Saudi Arabia during Hajj. But now the same dark skined African is ready to be a suicide bomber for the religion of his own Arab opressor. Today Islam has become more Arabism than Islam, but most Africans Muslims want to overlook the Arab racism in Islam.
In Islam you will always find the dark skinned Africans people subservient to the Arab light skinned ruling class.

@Horus;^^^^^^^^^^^ horus, unfortunately, in a different way, those racist arabs are naive about islam as deeply as you.

is racism part of islam, and allowed? no. what elevates a person is his or her God consciousness; Obedience to God in the faith of Islam doing good.

height, weight, wealth and other factors are used to stratify people in the communities. are these factors that a person can't actual work hard upon to change the fault of those who do not have what is preferred? no.

just suicide and killing of innocent are anti islam, so is racism. but i bet you my last dime though that a darker than midnight multibillionaire in euro or us dollars will not be shunned by the greed arabs because they will focus on his money, almost as if they are worshiping money.


horus needs to quit his ignorance. you wanna lambast the arabs, go right ahead. but dont blame believers in spite of the discriminatory experience they must ignore while performing their religious duty or going about their lives on the earth that belongs to Allah Who creates.

by the way i read a thread where the white germans in construction companies, eg julius berger and even those in oil companies, though sometimes academically below the nigerians do discriminate against the nigerians, even so much that the nigerians can't eat in the same dining room or have any eating room on the company property[ies]. thats going on in nigeria right now, whill i appreciate your less than sincere concerns about islam, unless you are not in nigeria, i would expect you to be raising cane [throw dust and complaining against the whites] about this ill treatment of the foreigners against the nigerians in ther own country.

and horus lives in london, england. he has never been discriminate against by white people. yet he never said let me move to black people's country. or is he a white person who is doing the discrimination? if as a white person he does not discriminate, he must have in his bloodlines those colonizers or supporters/sympathizers of colonial powers which britain advanced her wealth on the backs of many african countries. horus in his diabolic conscience to expose the evil among muslims has not denounced his people.

could you apply the same brush to them, now so that we know that you are truly a good man,probably a genuine maverick, not the type of palin or the mccain?