true2god:
Quran 9:29, Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (christiams and jews) - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

The above instruction was never a defensive but an offensive war\fight againt against the christians and Jews who didnt accept allahh as god and mohammed as his messenger. Compare it with 'there is no compulsion in religion' mantra (quran 2:256), there is a clear contradiction, the latter verse was abrogated for the former. Quran chapter 9 was completely revealed in medina and abrogated the peaceful mecca diplomatic verses (when islam was weak).
Although the quran didnt specifically asked muslims to kill apostates, just as the quran did not ask muslims to pray 5 times a day, the hadith (which forms 90% of islamic laws and which act as interpreter for the quran) recommended death for apostates. The scholars who are opposed to death for apostates are in the minority and irrelevant in islamic authority and most are secular muslims who do not hold a conservative view of certain islam doctrines. Some of them grew up in the west, hence the change in orientations about life.

All the 5 schools of islamic jurispundence cant be wrong on this matter, unless you are tacitly telling me that islam is false.

Saudi still kill sorcerers till date, see links below:
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18503550
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/29/indonesia-workers-in-saudi-arabia-are-on-trial-for-witchcraft-some-facing-the-death-penalty.html
www.newsweek.com/beheadings-saudi-arabia-quickens-pace-321587
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-has-beheaded-its-110th-prisoner-this-year-10439019.html

These are the few reports that make international headlines, most of the beheading of sorcerers are done secretly. So dont judge the catholics church for killing witches some hundreds of years ago while saudi arabia is still doing the same till now.

madjnr:
what do you mean by realized in Christ? and how does that stop you from following the law the way Jesus told you

vooks:


Accomplished means exactly that bro. The Law had served its purpose

madjnr:
Deuteronomy 13:6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 13: 13
Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
Deuteronomy 17:3
And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: 5Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
2 Chronicles 15:13
That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.





what can you say about that?

vooks:


The Bible is silent on their age, but that is not to mean that any wild claim of their age will hold.

Civilized thinking demands if you make a claim you back it up with evidence first instead of challenging others to disprove you.

For instance, if I claim Mohammed was gay and he loved Jewish men stuffing his rectum and then I dared you to prove it was not so, that is insane.

So PROVE Mary was 12 year old and Joseph 90.

The other thing is even if it were so, Christians are under no obligation to follow after Joseph and Mary unlike you primitive fools who drink camel piss because Mohamed prescribed it.

I copied my info from a Christian site which shows Christians believe in it, if they didn't, the article wouldn't be in the first place. So you're not making any sense here.

Are you telling me that the since the biblical god told us to cure leprosy by twisting neck of birds mixed with eggs, Christians still do it today?! I think you're beginning to run mad!

Jesus ate fish and no Christian makes silly rules out of that. Jesus spoke Hebrew and Aramaic and nobody is interested in these languages.

[s]You on the other hand hold Mohammed actions as the highest standards a human should strive for and that's why you have no qualms jerking off a 6 year old.[/s]

Finally you buffoon, the age difference between Mohammed and Aisha is not the problem, it is the age of Aisha that outs Mohammed as a [s]deranged sex pest. How do you jerk off on thighs of an infant as you await her organs to mature to handle your dick?[/s]

dorox:
I would really like to hear what a nairaland muslim thinks about this blatant display of medieval barbarity in the name of Islam by the Saudi judiciary.
Awaiting a reply from Abu.Khair, ma.djnr, Emp.iree and company.

vooks:

Much as I hope and pray you are delivered from stupidity, I can't think for you

I don't need your perv prayer, I'll attend to the thread you mentioned, nevertheless give me a correct video. I can't watch that because Christians are known for deceit. There might be a voice over, who knows?! So give me mr man!

malvisguy212:
your question is not making sense.

surah 4:89 says :
“They but wish that ye should reject
Faith, as they do, and thus be on the
same footing (as they). But take not
friends from their ranks until they
flee in the way of Allah (from what is
forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them
wherever ye find them; and (in any
case) take no friends or helpers from
their ranks.

Thus those who have fled from what is
forbidden, i.e., embraced Islam, should
be killed if they “turn renegades.”

Demmzy15:


I didn't concoct the ages from my head, they're present in the apocryphal in which were written the same time with the Canonical Gospels. I need an age, these are humans not myth, so find me their ages.



You're the uncivilized person here, I wanted an age so I searched the bible. I didn't find, I then found it in a material which is close to the bible. The evidence is there, you haven't disprove anything. If I'm lying then give me an age, I'm interested!



Why can't you use Jesus?! It's an established fact that biblical jesus never married and probably didn't have a crush on anyone so he's likely to be a gay! If there's a document that states the above assertion, it's my duty to disprove but it doesn't exist. But the ages of both are found in documents which were written around the same time the Canon gospel.



These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God

Now disprove that this is a lie, Muslims never wrote this. In fact they were written hundreds oof years before the birth of Prophet Muhammad. If I'm lying give me their ages!



I copied my info from a Christian site which shows Christians believe in it, if they didn't, the article wouldn't be in the first place. So you're not making any sense here.

Are you telling me that the since the biblical god told us to cure leprosy by twisting neck of birds mixed with eggs, Christians still do it today?! I think you're beginning to run mad!



OK that's your business, no wonder we have over 10,000 Christian sects all claiming to be the rightful follower of Christ. Spot on!



Pervert, already showing how unmannered you're. Very irrelevant, sha give me their ages. No one would forget how your pedophile god told his jihadists to keep young virgins for him, one wonders what he uses them for.



I can see you're frustrated, sha find me their ages. Shikena!

madjnr:
what purpose is that please

HaneefahRN:

It was very nice discussing with u. I'm ending my discussion with u by saying Allahu Alam (Allah knows best). It is obvious u are good at research, make researches with unbiase and keen mind (difficult I know), abt all these claims not only the Muslim critic scholars but also the well-known reliable Islamic Scholars. I won't waste my time going back and forth with u. My submissions av been made on all the issues u discussed above. If u really want to know more make researches. The killing of sorcerers has no justification in the Quran nor hadith although it is haram. And When seeking hadiths note the authenticity and strength. Make ur own deductions and blive what u want. All the best.
And Allah knows best.

smarthG:



If Islam and Sharia permits killing those they claim has blasphemed against Mohamed, then Boko Haram is judged right killing perceived Enemies of God.
That mean Boko even Exalts God far more than Mohammed while those that claim to be doing it right (Ordinary practising muslim) are grossly WRONG. Islam is not a good religion.
jooooor.

There is always a defence for every babaric act

HaneefahRN:

It was very nice discussing with u. I'm ending my discussion with u by saying Allahu Alam (Allah knows best). It is obvious u are good at research, make researches with unbiase and keen mind (difficult I know), abt all these claims not only the Muslim critic scholars but also the well-known reliable Islamic Scholars. I won't waste my time going back and forth with u. My submissions av been made on all the issues u discussed above. If u really want to know more make researches. The killing of sorcerers has no justification in the Quran nor hadith although it is haram. And When seeking hadiths note the authenticity and strength. Make ur own deductions and blive what u want. All the best.
And Allah knows best.

smarthG:



If Islam and Sharia permits killing those they claim has blasphemed against Mohamed, then Boko Haram is judged right killing perceived Enemies of God.
That mean Boko even Exalts God far more than Mohammed while those that claim to be doing it right (Ordinary practising muslim) are grossly WRONG. Islam is not a good religion.
jooooor.

There is always a defence for every babaric act

smarthG:



If Islam and Sharia permits killing those they claim has blasphemed against Mohamed, then Boko Haram is judged right killing perceived Enemies of God.
That mean Boko even Exalts God far more than Mohammed while those that claim to be doing it right (Ordinary practising muslim) are grossly WRONG. Islam is not a good religion.
jooooor.

There is always a defence for every babaric act

mahdino:


OK PLEASE DEFEND THESE YOUR BARBARIC ACTS




1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

madjnr:
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

vooks:


Now, thinking is a skill you would do well to practice.

The same source tells you the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE.

mahdino:


OK PLEASE DEFEND THESE YOUR BARBARIC ACTS




1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

vooks:


Now, thinking is a skill you would do well to practice.

The same source tells you the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE.

daretodiffer:




That is the only way he sleeps at night

true2god:
Thanks man, God bless you. We are one family as human beings. Cheers!

HaneefahRN:

Lolz.
Ur Sig got me thinking though. If tht is u in ur p.pix although nt full bt u av a resemblance to a senior colleague of mine bt she is darker though.

Demmzy15:

The same source also claimed the it was retained tradition that Joseph was an old man during his marriage with mother of god. Concerning the apocrypha, scholars said this:

“Apocrypha is a plural word (singular: apocryphan) that originally denoted hidden or secret writings, to be read only by initiates into a given Christian group.”
The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls By James VanderKam, Peter Flint chapter 8

“The term apocryphan signifies “that which is hidden” or “concealed”– some intimate secret shared only by the chosen few.”
Poetics of the Gnostic Universe: Narrative And Cosmology in the Apocryphon of John By Zlatko Plese page 7

No reasonable person would say the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE, people making this claim are Christian apologetic who knows this document has opened their yansh. So my friend give me an age, if you can't, then I'm correct!

Don't disappoint your fans here, they're looking up to you.

Cc Annunaki!

Demmzy15:

The same source also claimed the it was retained tradition that Joseph was an old man during his marriage with mother of god. Concerning the apocrypha, scholars said this:

“Apocrypha is a plural word (singular: apocryphan) that originally denoted hidden or secret writings, to be read only by initiates into a given Christian group.”
The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls By James VanderKam, Peter Flint chapter 8

“The term apocryphan signifies “that which is hidden” or “concealed”– some intimate secret shared only by the chosen few.”
Poetics of the Gnostic Universe: Narrative And Cosmology in the Apocryphon of John By Zlatko Plese page 7

No reasonable person would say the apocrypha are UNRELIABLE, people making this claim are Christian apologetic who knows this document has opened their yansh. So my friend give me an age, if you can't, then I'm correct!

Don't disappoint your fans here, they're looking up to you.

Cc Annunaki!

daretodiffer:

That's me
Do you mean colleague as in work colleague?
What's her Muslim name?

daretodiffer:


That's me

Do you mean colleague as in work colleague?

What's her Muslim name?

true2god:
I am not aware of the age of consent in the bible, i will check and revert. But i have never come accross any human being in the bible (or even in the secular world) who married a girl of 6 and started having sexual contact with her when she became 9 (just as mohammed did).

vooks:

Neanderthal, what part of these supports you. If they are so hidden, has it occurred to your puny brains that Joseph was an allegory or a poem?

What I'm I saying what are you saying?! Your Bible was once a hidden book, read only by the church fathers.

But most importantly, how does the supposed age difference between Mary and Joseph salvage your [s]primitive prophet who masturbated off a 6 year old as her organs matured enough to handle his wrinkled joystick?[/s]

End of discussion! You've agreed the marriage of Joseph and Mary took place! Very nice, you should have done this long time ago rather than us to waste time. Anyways, read this article by the "huffingpost" about child marriages in Islam. You'll learn a lot http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/814332 Don't worry it was written by Dr. David Liepert. Please take your time, thanks for accepting that your god and Joseph were pedophile.

Annunaki:


Meanwhile the rodent initially claimed his source was the catholic encyclopedia

I can see you're over-dumb. I gave my source to be the Catholic Encyclopedia, the article was composed by them using the apocryphal... Chai! Yoruba Christians, na wa o!

HaneefahRN:

Not work colleague, just a professional colleague and a sister sort of.
Kasirat