@osisi, what is it you don't understand i explained and explained but yet your block brain won't assimilate.
Muhammad married Aisha at 6, consummate at 9, which year did this happened ? 1,430 years ago, scientific research on fossils, shows that man have been shrinking as time goes on. She was a grown up woman and matured.

@sleek,


someone has copied the same article and paste, it was nothing but false accusation because the gospel disqualify jesus as God or son of god. You people hate truth

@noetic,

The Quran challenge u to produce a surah and call upon your idol or trinity to guide it. U can start it now, good initiative to measure the quality of Quran, eventually you will surrender to Allah for sure if u see reality

Abuzola:

@noetic,

The Quran challenge u to produce a surah and call upon your idol or trinity to guide it. U can start it now, good initiative to measure the quality of Quran, eventually you will surrender to Allah for sure if u see reality

why should I produce a surah when the koran itself is a plagiarised LIE from allah through mohammed to muslims. If not, whats the meaning of this verse:
koran 19:33-34 records Jesus as saying:
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!

LOL
The 2 mohammedans on the thread don't even agree

Abuzola  is trying hard to prove that 9 year old girls are ripe for marriage to Islamic prophets
Olabowole is trying hard to prove aisha a liar by stating that her claim that Mo the noble prophet had noble knowledge of her "kabbah" at 9 was a lie

This is funny
I love it!

Koran proof to show that allah allows Muslims to marry little girls,look at the condition after divorce,Islam style

065.004
YUSUFALI: Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
PICKTHAL: And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
SHAKIR: And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

Here ladies and gents Islam talks about  a 3 month waiting period before a women can remarry after divorce and 3 types of women are mentioned

1. Post menopausal women with no menses
2. women who have not reached menarche i.e pre pubertal girls,little aisha like girls,babies.
3. pregnant women


You may wonder why Muslims all over still rape little girls and call it marriage.
This is the Koranic verse to make it aye OK

033.021
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
PICKTHAL: Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
SHAKIR: Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.


Mohammed is a good example?

@noetic-
u see where you are defeated ?
Muhammad was an illiterate, unable to read nor write but look at what he came with Superior and unique.
Hmm Allah is great.


@osisi, yeah u like it, like it and embrace the truth

Abuzola:

@osisi, what is it you don't understand i explained and explained but yet your block brain won't assimilate.
Muhammad married Aisha at 6, consummate at 9, which year did this happened ? 1,430 years ago, scientific research on fossils, shows that man have been shrinking as time goes on. She was a grown up woman and matured.

Are you saying that any Muslims doing the same thing now is wrong for following the prophets example and  so should be  arrested  and  prosecuted.
This is a yes and no answer.

Abuzola:

@noetic-
u see where you are defeated ?
Muhammad was an illiterate, unable to read nor write but look at what he came with Superior and unique.
Hmm Allah is great.


@osisi, yeah u like it, like it and embrace the truth

whats the meaning of all this RUBBISH u keep coming up with? why cant u interpret that verse from allah's DISCREDITED koran?

@$Osisi: Balagh is the word used. And it also used in Srah Nisaa to talk about the properties/inheritance of an orphan relative to the ability of the orphan to mamage the inheritance. I am sure you know the signs of maturity; wet dream, pubic hair, breast for women and vioice for men, in addition to menstration for women. A friend of mine started graying n the head at 11. I at almost middle age, is just experiencing it here and there! It is not uniform that there is an age for everyone to be matured or reached puberty!

My friend reached his at about 11, while amjust fighting to reach it now, even though I thing I peaked at 15! When was yours? Puberty was the age of consumation of marriage, and not before. And she does not have to have menstration at that time!

i have Tafsir ibn Kathir ready for you and answeringchristianity excellent piece to debunk your "you see folks, they are marrying underage girl" shout! I have asked you to wager with me and yor refusal shows that you are certain that you will lose to me. I know that you will lose and thats why am pushing the challenge to you. Quran can definitely defend itself, so be ready to wave the white flag, without a cross when you surrender!

Ozzycda


Friday, April 3, 2009
Women in Islam

NOTE TO ALL READERS THIS ARTICLES IS NOT WRITTEN BY ME, THIS IS THE PROPERTY OF ANSWERING-CHRISTIANITY.COM.(if there are any issues with this please let me know).

The Article:

www.answering-christianity.com presents:

Response to the lies and distortions of christian missionaries about the position of
women in islam

APart 3, Written by Kevin el-Karim
“The most perfect of believers are those most perfect of character; and the best of you are the best of you to
your spouses.” Tirmidhi, Ibn Hibban

"None but a noble man treats women in an honourable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women
disgracefully" At-Tirmithy

He wrote:

The collector of the so-called sound narrations, Imam al-Bukahri narrated:

Narrated Sahl bin Sad: While we were sitting in the company of the Prophet a woman came to him and presented
herself for marriage to him. The Prophet looked at her, lowering his eyes and raising them, but did not give a
reply. One of his companions said, " Marry her to me O Allah’s Apostle " The Prophet asked him, "Have you got
anything ? " He said, " I have got nothing." The Prophet said, " Not even an iron ring ? " He said, " Not even an
iron ring, but I will tear my garment into two halves and give her one half and keep the other half. " The Prophet;
said, " No. Do you know some of the Quran (by heart) ? " He said, " Yes." The Prophet said, " Go, I have agreed
to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an (as her Mahr)." 'And for those who have no courses (i.e.
they are still immature). (65.4) And the 'Iddat for the girl BEFORE PUBERTYis three months (in the above
Verse). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63; emphasis ours)

Response:

The christian missionary relies his opinion on an english translation of the heading of a chapter. The Sahl bin
Sa'd ahadith ends at: "Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur'an". What is
mentioned next , the fat quoted text by sham shamoun, is not a hadeeth but part of the title of the next chapter in
sahih al-bukhari:

باب إنكاح الرجل ولد الصغار لقول تعالى { واللائي لم يحضن } فجعل عدتا ثلاثة أشر قبل البلوغ

something like:
“Chapter on ( the permissibility of ) a man marrying off his underage daughter (which would be) in
accordance with the saying of Allah "And for –“those who do not menstruate" so the `iddah was set to
three months prior to buloogh."

In the context of this verse prior to ‘buloogh’ refers only to ‘prior to menstruation’, since the verse speaks about
those who have no courses yet. When a girl has her first menstrual period, she is general considered as having
reached ‘buloogh’ / puberty. Therefor the writer here in his chapter uses the words ‘underage’ and ‘prior to
buloogh’ as a reference to ‘prior to menstruation’. This can be clearly seen without doubt at the rest of the text
and it’s context in connection to the quranic ayah. A lot of writers used the term ‘buloogh’ only as a reference to
menstruation, since menstruation is the well known sign which shows that a girl has reached ‘buloogh’. Therefor
most writers use the the term ‘prior to buloogh’ and ‘underage’ as a synonym for ‘prior to menstruation’. This
can be confusing sometimes, since one could think that girls could consummate marriage before puberty, which
is actually not allowed in islam. Like we mentioned before there are also other things which are a sign of having
reached ‘majority’ in islam. These things are: wet dreams, breasts, public hair and the age of 15 years. Therefor a
girl can only consummate marriage prior to menstruation (which is general considered as buloogh for girls)
when she has already public hair, breasts or reached the age of 15 years or had a wet dream, which are also signs
that a girl has reached puberty in islam. So keep in mind that the heading of this chapter only refers to girls who
had not yet menstruated which can be clearly seen at the rest of the text and it’s connection to the quranic ayah.
Proof that girls can only consummate marriage on the onset of puberty can be found in the sunnah of our
prophet. The Prophet, peace be upon him, didn’t consummate his marriage with Aicha when she was six. He
consummated his marriage with her three years later. The reason for this was that they were waiting for her to
come of age, or in other words reached puberty.

Another author, Karen Armstrong, has this to add:
Tabari says that she was so young that she stayed in her parents home and the marriage was consummated there
later when she had reached puberty.

( Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, page 157 )

Now if a marriage could be consummated at any age with a girl or prior to puberty, then certainly the prophet,
peace be upon him, would have consummated his marriage with Aicha when she was six. However he never did
this for a reason, he waited untill she reached puberty. From this we can already see, that girls priot to puberty
are not allowed to consummate marriage. But what about the ayah which says ‘and the waiting period for those
who have no courses yet is three months’ ? Like we have seen in the heading of the chapter of sahih bukhari is
that girls prior to menstruation can marry, which is by some writers described as ‘prior to buloogh’ or ‘underage’
since menstruation is general considered as having reached buloogh. However this does not mean that girls can
consummate marriage before pubery, which some people think. This confusion occurs because some writers
used the terms ‘prior to buloogh’ or ‘underage’ as a reference or synonym for ‘prior to menstruation’ since
menstruation is the well known aspect which shows that a girl has reached puberty / majority. However in islam
a girl has also reached puberty / majority when she had her first wet dream, or has already public hair, breasts or
reached the age of 15 years. These facts can be found in Ibn Kathirs famous tafsir on soerah 4

Qu’ran An-nisa 6:
Waibtaloo alyatama hatta itha balaghoo alnnikaha fa-in anastum minhum rushdan faidfaAAoo ilayhim
amwalahum wala ta/kulooha israfan wabidaran an yakbaroo waman kana ghaniyyan falyastaAAfif waman kana
faqeeran falya/kul bialmaAAroofi fa-itha dafaAAtum ilayhim amwalahum faashhidoo AAalayhim wakafa
biAllahi haseeban

Prove orphans till they reach the marriageable age; then, if ye find them of sound judgment, deliver over unto
them their fortune; and devour it not by squandering and in haste lest they should grow up Whoso (of the
guardians) is rich, let him abstain generously (from taking of the property of orphans); and whoso is poor let
him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship). And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans, have (the
transaction) witnessed in their presence. Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner.

Ibn Kathir in his tafsir comments:

The age of puberty, according to Mujahid. The age of puberty according to the majority of scholars comes when
the child has a wet dream. In his Sunan, Abu Dawud recorded that `Ali said, "I memorized these words from the
Messenger of Allah , “There is no orphan after the age of puberty nor vowing to be silent throughout the day to
the night” .

In another Hadith, `A'ishah and other Companions said that the Prophet said, “The pen does not record the
deeds of three persons: the child until the age of puberty, the sleeping person “until waking up, and the senile
until sane”

Or, the age of fifteen is considered the age of adolescence. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn Umar said,
I was presented in front of the Prophet on the eve of the battle of Uhud, while I was fourteen years of age, and he
did not allow me to take part in “that battle. But I was presented in front of him on the eve of the battle of Al-
Khandaq (The Trench) when I was fifteen years old, and he allowed “me (to join that battle).

Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz commented when this Hadith reached him, “ This is the difference between a child and
an adult.” There is a difference of opinion over whether pubic hair is considered a sign of adulthood, and the
correct opinion is that it is. The Sunnah supports this view, according to a Hadith collected by Imam Ahmad
from `Atiyah Al-Qurazi who said, We were presented to the Prophet on the day of Qurizah, whoever had pubic
hair was killed, whoever did not was left free to go, I was one of those who did not, so I was left free.'' The Four
Sunan compilers also recorded similar to it. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Sahih.'' Allah's statement, 1
We now clearly see and have enough proof to state that consummation of marriage in islam can only occur when
a girl has reached puberty. Therefor a girl who has not yet had her first menstrual period, can only consummate
marriage prior to menstruation when she has reached majority / puberty trough other ways. These others ways
are: having a wet dream, having already public hair, breasts or reaching the age of 15 years. These facts can be
found in Ibn Kathirs tafsir and the hadith.
Kkkkkkk

The Prophet, peace be upon him, never said that girls could consummate marriage prior to puberty. The christian
missionary based his attack on islam on the heading of a chapter in the hadith collection of bukhari, therefor the
christian missionary could not provide any hadith or quranic ayah to support his claim. On the contrary the
hadith and quran refute his false claims. Moreover i showed and pointed out that ‘prior to buloogh’ by some
writers is used as a synonym for ‘prior to menstruation’ , which was clearly the case with the heading of the
chapter in sahih bukhari, since the quranic ayah about menstruation was mentioned. Moreover Maulana
Muhammad Ali’s commentary on soerah 4:6 is enough proof to silent the lie of the christian missionary.

Maulana Muhammad Ali in his commentary of the qu’ran comments:
These words, moreover, show that marriage should be performed at the age when a person has attained majority,
for the age of marriage is spoken of as being the age of attaining majority. 2

The christian missionary moreover fails to realize that it was a normal custom for young people to marry at the
onset of their puberty or some years later, since the prophet, peace be upon him, recommended those who had
the means for it to marry. The christian missionary obvious only fantasizes that older men married with younger
girls, he obvious never realizes that young boys just married young girls back then, and only consummated
marriage with them when they had reached puberty. In those times and biblical times it was the custom of the
society, which nowadays many people fail to realize. Also puberty and adulthood in those societies back then
were reached at an earlier age then today. Also it’s important to know that in islam girls have free will to choose
a husband they want / like. They have the right to refuse a proposel from someone they don’t want to marry or
just don’t like. So a marriage can only happen in islam if both parties agree with each other, and are happy with
it. This can be found in the next hadith:


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 67
The Prophet said: “A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not
be given in marriage except after her permission

Also the option that a girl can (not must) consummate marriage at the onset of her puberty, does not mean that
girls have to marry at this age. It’s only an option. Secondly even if she has reached the onset of puberty or
general age of puberty in islam, then she can only marry if she is able to. If she is not able / capable / or ready
to marry or consummate marriage, then she cannot and should not marry. This rule can be found in the next
hadith:

Sahih Bukhari , Volume 7, Book 62, Number 3

The prophet said: “ O young people ! Whoever among you is able to marry, should marry, and whoever is not
able to marry, is recommended to fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power.



Thirdly she can only consummate her marriage at the onset of puberty, if she and her parents are sure that
there would be no harm in it for her to marry and consummate her marriage, since the prophet said:

Related by Al-Daraqutni, Ibn Majah and Ahmad.
The Prophet said: “There shall be no infliction of harm on oneself or others"


So if a girl on the onset of puberty by herself is not mentally or emotional ready for marriage, then she herself
and her parents should conclude and agree that it’s not the right time yet for her to marry and / or consummate
marriage. If they would do the opposite, then: k


A:

If the parents give their daughter permission to consummate her marriage, or letting her marry while they know
that their daughter is mentally and emotionally not ready for it, then they would harm their daughter. This would
be a violoation of the hadith which states ‘not to harm others’.



B:

If the girl herself at the onset of puberty agrees and or insists to consummate her marriage or to marry (and
forces her parents to give her permission, because for example she’s in love), while she herself is actualy not
ready for marriage, mentally and emotionally, then in this case she would harm herself. This would also be a
violation of the hadith ‘not to harm oneself’. k
In today’s society many girls would not be ready ( except some ) to marry on the onset of puberty or general
considered age of puberty in islam ( fifteen years old ). Most of them would certainly not have the means for it,
due to lack of education or qualifications for a job which are required nowadays to survive and live a good life.
We should also remember that back then in early islamic times and biblical times, females like Aicha were raised
in a society where womanhood was reached at a much earlier age than it is in many societies today. Therefor my
advise to young men and women is to marry at an age when they have finished their schools and are both are
sure that they have the means for marriage. This would mean that they are 100% sure that one is emotional and
mentally ready for marriage and consummation of marriage.

Men should be 100% sure that they can support and carry the burdens to support and protect their wifes and
family from any harm or / and danger. Also both men and women have to be sure that they are willing and open
to spend as much time as possible with their partner in marriage, in romance and happiness, since marriage in
islam has to be based on love, peace and rest (see soerah 30:21). If one fails or harms the other partner in
marriage all the time, one commits a major sin. Marriage in islam is something important and half one’s faith,
which means husband and wife must work together and offer themselves for each other to make their marriage
succesfull. Also man's treatment of his wife is a measure of the perfection of his faith as in the hadith where the
prophet, peace be upon him, said:

Riyad as-Salihin, Chapter 34, Nr. 278
The Prophet said: “The most perfect of the believers in their belief are those with the best manners, and the best
of you are those who are best with their wives.”

Sources:

1:
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10463

2:
The Holy Qu’ran by Muhammad Maulana Ali , commentary soerah 4:6
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@Olabowale

@Backslider:

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Ok good who was with muhamd to make sure that he was not being deceived by a false spirit.


Who was with Moses for the same exact reason you quoted above? Now, since I know that you care less about Moses, anyway, and all your hope was on Jesus of the Bible, I ask you the same question as above that you asked about Muhammad (AS)?

Folks, watch how he is going to trip over himself. Then am gonna cream him! I hope he remembers about the Satan (bad jinn/Devil) whispering in the ear of Jesus, at least three times. Watch this dude or anyone, who have the gull to attempt this booby trap!

Exodus 19
1In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

2For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.

3And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

4Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

7And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

8And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

9And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.

10And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,

11And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

12And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:

13There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.

14And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.

15And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.

16And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

17And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

18And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

19And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.

20And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.

21And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.

22And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.

23And Moses said unto the LORD, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it.

24And the LORD said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the LORD, lest he break forth upon them.

25So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.



Exodus 20
1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13Thou shalt not kill.

14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15Thou shalt not steal.

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

22And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.




You see that God was speaking to Isreal directly unlike your demon possesed Muhamed.

let me tell you something, prophets long before the coming of Christ prophesied about his coming, they said nothing about your demon possessed, adolescent abusive prophet, think, and let me ask you this question, Do you have a 9 year old sister? would you allow me marry her? that man is from the pit of hell and that so called book which it doesn't show Mohammed even knew about the so called gospel of barnabas which another concoction from the pit of hell just to make islam and arabic language the only accepted thing, no matter how long the truth will never die. ACCEPT CHRIST NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

@osisi, olabowale have answered the Question, wide and clear.



@Backslide, The believers were with muhammad when the angels descend to proclaim the truth, hadith of arbau'na 3-7 testify it.




@sleek, produce ur own copy if u think is a fraud and call ur trimity to guide it if ye are truthful.

On that disbelievers will say had i know. The satan is the chief deceiver

noetic2:

why should I produce a surah when the koran itself is a plagiarised LIE from allah through mohammed to muslims. If not, whats the meaning of this verse:
koran 19:33-34  records Jesus as saying:
[b]Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
[/b]

And the same koran disputes the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. What a contradiction! Thanks Noetic for pointing that out.

Quran 2:171
The example of those who disbelieve is as that of him who shouts to those flock of sheep that hears nothing but call and cries. They are deae, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.

Wetin be that ? Hope is not another revealation of ur pastor atrocity

why not check it out?

Abuzola:

Wetin be that ? Hope is not another revealation of ur pastor atrocity

Abuzola, please clarify this once and for all. What does the koran say about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ? From my understanding, I had heard that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ did not die on the Cross, but was taken to Heaven. Yet, this koranic verse, koran 19:33-34, (thanks Noetic) seems to contradict your beliefs.

@Ndipe: I know you addressed your question to Abuzola. But am here to help your understanding until he returns, tomorrow. Please note that verse 32 was talking about his commanded duties and relationship with his mother. So verse33 was a continuation of this statement, in defense of his mother, as he spoke in the cradle; so he said peace is upon me in day of my birth, which had occurred. Then he moved to future, the immediate one will be death, so he said peace on me the day I die or I will die, which is obviously in the future a time yet to come and he does not know it at the time he was giving this speech. And the final situation is being ressurrected back to life for judgement day; so Jesus said peace on me the day this will occur to complete the circle of life death and judgement.

Verse34 is Allah's statement indicating that people dispute about this situation; the birth, some say from the Christians that he was God or Son of God, which is not true and there is no proof to its truth. Some say about him that he has experienced death, and Allah says not yet. Consider the fact that the Jews intended for him to die on the cross so that his soul can be accuursed based on their understandings, Allah saved him from this singular calamity. And no one can tell me that death by hanging can be peaceful, or can it?

And the ressurrection can not happen unless there is death, so his resurrection is stll in the future since his death has not occurred. By the way Verse 15 of the same Surah Mariam has exactly the same thing about birth, death and ressurrection days being peaceful too for Yahya, the cousin of Jesus. So Jesus is not unique in this situation.


19;33
Muhsin Khan: "And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"
Sahih International: And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."
Pickthall: Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!
Yusuf Ali: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!



19:34
to topMuhsin Khan: Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).
Sahih International: That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
Pickthall: Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.
Yusuf Ali: Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

Yeah, olabowale you are right. Jesus was speaking from the cradle'peace on the day was born and on the day i die,'

go get ur Quran and comfirm it don't let anybody deceive you.


Quran 4:158 'But Allah raised jesus up with his body and soul unto Himself and He is in the heavens. And Allah is Ever All Powerful, All wise '

@abuzola light can never produce darkness, even the biggest fool alive knows that.

@ abuzola'' light can never produce darkness''

Quran 19:33 peace on me the day i was born,and the day i died,and the day i shall be raise alive


since most christian are trying to back their Jesus on the cross with this verse,i just want to point out a clarification that the part in the verse that state that 'PEACE ON ME THE DAY I DIED' does not refer to judas on the cross whom they called JESUS.
Firstly i will start by asking that 'DID BIBLE JESUS SEES PEACE ON THE DAY HE DIED?.If they are trying to back the cruxification of bible Jesus with this verse then they are indeed wrong,can someone who sees peace proclaimed at the point of death that 'GOD GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME.Remember the day your judas whom you called JESUS died,he was persecuted torture and sentence to death,he never withnessed peace on that day.
My second question is 'CAN HUMAN BEING DIE TWICE?.The answer is NO;JESUS (pbuh) hasn't die and that is why he is still coming to the world towards the end of the world to get married and as well taste from the pot of death,then he will be raise alive on the day of judgement
MA SALAM

Jayyid ya ikwan.

Jesus was mocked , slapped, spat and beaten before crucified, the worst is they stripped him.

The truth doesn't need decoration

Whether you like it or not JESUS IS GOD, nothing can change that fact, yes, and there are people i know who are devoted muslims who later bowed to Jesus as their Lord, do not waist your precious time saying just one thing on NL, you might want to mock or probably preach, but seriously, it is futile, so why waist that time of yours. remember, AT THE MENTION OF THAT NAME JESUS, EVERY KNEE, INCLUDING YOURS, SHALL BOW.

Because those ones are the lazy ones that take 5 DAILY PRAYERS AND FASTING AS A HEAVY WORK.They have indeed make satan their open enemy.

Afix i feel you, you predict what is next to be uttered by me.

How can jesus be God when he said:
john 20:17 'do not hold on to me, for i have not yet returned to the father, go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'i am returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God'

christians be sincere and follow not your heart. God is one and islam is the true religion

Abuzola:

@osisi, olabowale have answered the Question, wide and clear.

No he hasn't
This was my question

Are you saying that any Muslims doing the same thing now(i.e marrying a 6 year old) is wrong for following the prophets example and so should be arrested and prosecuted.
This is a yes and no answer.

Even in saudi arabia and Afghanistan it is forbidden to give a girl in marriage before puberty and it applies to all muslim. And that remain a fact, the Prophet consumated his marriage with Aisha when she attain the age of puberty.