olabowale:

@KunleOshob:Was matthew the author of this verse, or somebody else who accorded it to him? Lets assume he was the author, we shall have two problems to solve;
1). Did Matthew knew Jesus well enough prior to "the beginning of his preaching", for him to write this verse as if he knew the exact time he started preaching, or did Jesus tell him this afterall?

2). Was Matthew the first recruit/disciple before Jesus was swampped by the 12 who surrounded him constantly, hence he was able to tell Matthew before then, when exactly he started his preaching and what led to it?

If one of these situations did not happen, or if there is no proof that Jesus sat Matthew down or another person who told Matthew this time lime of Jesus "starting his preaching", we hardly can believe the accounts of Matthew about the life of Jesus christ of the Bible!

olabs. good morning. can i get you to tell your mujahadeen cousins on NL to stop harrasing christians. did allah send you to delete posts that you guys dont agree with?

@KunleOshob:

The Golden Rule
12 “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.

Every prophet taught this. Moses who was the most warringprophet (AS) practiced this. He never led a war against people who are not disbelievers! And the greatest sin, according to you is not to love God! Those who hate men who are not lovers of God are great people! The love of God is a higher presidence! No? Hence Jesus do to other as you will like them do to you, is in line with what Moses and every prophet, including Muhammad (AS)! There is nothing more dramatic about Jesus here.

Matthew 22:37-39:
The great commandment
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

As I have said above, this does not make Jesus christ unique over and above other previous prophets! They were lovers of God. And they did not hate anyone who loved God! I wonder why deitified the simple completely in line human being Prophet Jesus?

@JJYOU: Good morning to you, too. Look I have no control over the conscience of any human being! I guess NL has its rule follow it or complain to anyone over the individual who deleted your post!

olabowale:

@KunleOshob:Was matthew the author of this verse, or somebody else who accorded it to him? Lets assume he was the author, we shall have two problems to solve;
1). Did Matthew knew Jesus well enough prior to "the beginning of his preaching", for him to write this verse as if he knew the exact time he started preaching, or did Jesus tell him this afterall?

2). Was Matthew the first recruit/disciple before Jesus was swampped by the 12 who surrounded him constantly, hence he was able to tell Matthew before then, when exactly he started his preaching and what led to it?

If one of these situations did not happen, or if there is no proof that Jesus sat Matthew down or another person who told Matthew this time lime of Jesus "starting his preaching", we hardly can believe the accounts of Matthew about the life of Jesus christ of the Bible!

Wow i never knew you were this shallow, what is so difficult in Jesus telling a isciple who was close to him and worked with him for three years how he started his ministry

olabowale:

@KunleOshob:Every prophet taught this. Moses who was the most warringprophet (AS) practiced this. He never led a war against people who are not disbelievers! And the greatest sin, according to you is not to love God! Those who hate men who are not lovers of God are great people! The love of God is a higher presidence! No? Hence Jesus do to other as you will like them do to you, is in line with what Moses and every prophet, including Muhammad (AS)! There is nothing more dramatic about Jesus here.

As I have said above, this does not make Jesus christ unique over and above other previous prophets! They were lovers of God. And they did not hate anyone who loved God! I wonder why deitified the simple completely in line human being Prophet Jesus?

Whilst moses and muhammed preached you should love God they nver preached you should love your fellow man. Jesus made it clear that it is equally important to love our fellow men and that you can only demonstrate you love God if you show love to your fellow men. Unlike the message of hate which muhammed is notorious for which as inspired terrorists all over the world for generations. It would be fool hardy and extemely very naive for a man to assume he can fight on God's behalf like you Jihadist disillusion your selves to believe, it is simply laughable. God is quite capable of delivering judgement without the help of any mis-guided/ overzealous terrorist.

@KunleOshob: My last entry here since I believe I have established the reality that Jesus was no different from other prophets (AS). Any comment?

Matthew 25:35-40:
35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
  37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

Was the above "Lord" in verse 37, Jesus or Lord God that Jesus told his disciples and the crowd about in Mark 12 verse 29 (not hold me on this verse, but the content, the same as the statement of Isiah of old Testament); Hear, oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but one Lord God?

  40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

I am assuming that the king here is now Jesus, right? Lets examine this statement; will this be given on this earth or in the day of Judgement? If it is ion this earth, it is acceptable since 'the words "my brothers and sisters", are there to qualify his humanness. But all prophets advocated this same virtue!

If it is in the day of Judgement, it is worth noting Jesus himself did not know when that time will be! Further, he expressed that he will tell some chrsitians in the day of Judgement that he did not know them even as they informed him that they had performed great miracles in his name, yet he will allow them to be herded to lake of fire. This is not a virtue of a king, and surprisingly, the great miracles performed by this lake of fire dwellers are even more viruous than what is  quoted above! Those who perform miracles, must not be selfish that they do not perform the lesser 'deeds' above, that cant qualify for miracles! Heck, even all human beings, atheists included will do these things above, without any problem, as long as the doer has the means.

Homosexuals will do the same things. they are some of the most cash in hand groups! Will these above deeds alone qulaify anyone to receive Christian heaven? And what is the quantification, theessence of 'love your God?" How do you love God? What are His exact description of how to worship Him? What are his commandments and what is the reward of those who obey every last one of them, versus the one who breaks all of them or the majority of them or the most important of them; worship?How do you worship Him? Give us the descriptions from a to z of every act of worship that you know that is commanded by God, from the mouth of Jesus? Will they be exactly or similar to what Moses commanded?

What will be the difference? Which one will be similar to how Abraham worshipped and commanded is families to worship?

if there are differences, how and when and why did each variant occur? And could two happen side by side and both are accepted or only one is accepted and which is the latest and last and still current way of worshipping God? Do you know, because I want you to tell me this bit of great information!

@KunleOshob:

Wow i never knew you were this shallow, what is so difficult in Jesus telling a isciple who was close to him and worked with him for three years how he started his ministry

Yes am that shallow. I do not read to anything that can not be inferred, directly. Show me a verse, since there are many that deals with mondane thing, like aimless walking, etc, house in the Bible! Jesus telling his disciples how he satrted, if they were not present at his first preaching: the kingdom of God is at hand, ", must be equal to mere walking along (transit) in the Bible! No?

Help this shallow man, Kunle and don't dock the question!

olabowale:

@KunleOshob:Yes am that shallow. I do not read to anything that can not be inferred, directly. Show me a verse, since there are many that deals with mondane thing, like aimless walking, etc, house in the Bible! Jesus telling his disciples how he satrted, if they were not present at his first preaching: the kingdom of God is at hand, ", must be equal to mere walking along (transit) in the Bible! No?

Help this shallow man, Kunle and don't dock the question!

Haba Alhaji, common sense dictates that i would be almost humanly impossible to document every thing Jesus said or did whilst he was here with us physically on this planet even the bible states so in John 21:25 which says: 25 Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written. so the fact thatit was not documented does not mean Jesus did not ell his disciples how he sarted his ministry.

@KunleOshob:

Whilst moses and muhammed preached you should love God they nver preached you should love your fellow man. Jesus made it clear that it is equally important to love our fellow men and that you can only demonstrate you love God if you show love to your fellow men.

If I show you verses from Quran and ahadith talking about love and forgiveness of fellow men, will you quit Christianity and upgrade yourself to Islam? I will only do that when you accept my challenge. The free ride is not to destruction, but to pure salvation without fakery o death and blood!

Unlike the message of hate which muhammed is notorious for which as inspired terrorists all over the world for generations.

I hear you, except that Jesus in his "parable" of the king, on the king's return said that those who advocated for his never to return to rule them should be brought before him and be slained! Let me ask you, is this parable not about Jesus, or some mythical king who is actng like a big gangster, and terrorist in that verse? I know you will deny it for Jesus. So therefore I will go to the revelation about his return.

Jesus is slated to return and kill those of his own; the people of the house of israel, who will not accept his rulership! The Jews are aware of this. So are the Evangelistic Christians. Please Kunle, help me out of my shallowness by explaining the dual and directly opposing verses here! One a Parable, the other a prediction. Both pointing to blood bath, but one is clearly Jesus at his return to do a number on the Jews!

It would be fool hardy and extemely very naive for a man to assume he can fight on God's behalf like you Jihadist disillusion your selves to believe, it is simply laughable. God is quite capable of delivering judgement without the help of any mis-guided/ overzealous terrorist.

And when Moses made God kill Pharaoh and his army by drowning them in the sea, just by Moses using his staff, or all the killings that Moses did all the way to the edge of the "promised land (i do not believe it is a promise that will include evil doers, even as they persist in doing evil)", the massacres of people of Cannine, the Amorites, the Hittatits, the jebusites, and the destruction of the city of Jericho are not fights for God? What about the destruction and slaying of Goliat by young david, not a fight in defense of God?

If none of these fights had oocurred, wuld Jesus who preached "peace for the first time (I winked)", even though he asked his people to sell their cloths and purchase with it Swords (what would a peaceful man and his cohorts need swords for over 2000 years ago, would not it be the same thing a man needs shoulder launcher for today, from outside the fringe of acceptable authority?) be born n Jerusalem or whereever he was born?

Finally I remember the many Crusades mounted by the christian Europeans to Middle East, to route out the Muslims and in the process killed Jews! What about the Conqistadors/Spanish Inquisitions? Muslims and Jews were killed, and the killers were Christians. What about the colonizations of darker skin people by the Christian lighter skin people? These ligher skin colonizers, all over the world were Christians, with the Jews and some muslims acting as supporters making monies along the way? What about the world wars, primarily fought as leaders by the Christians? I guess you are not using the Bible at that time?

Okay south africa's afrikaan's apartheid tyranny over the blacks; they used the Bible without any question. What about the USA that I know well? Slavery and even now KKK still use the Bible to make claims about their white Supremacy's mumbo jumbo. Just the other day whites were arrested for plotting to kill the President. He is a white supremacy guy. The other day an abortion clinic Doctor was gunned down by a Bible thumping man.

Now who is very shallow, Kunle? Is the shallower person not you? Please defend your honor and excuse my ignorance! I want you to address each of these points, otherwise the label will stick!

Ever major religion has skeletons in the closet. Una go dey here forever at this rate.

@ kunle and Olabowale. . . condemning other faiths in defense or ur's is a bad strategy. Once u step outside ur box and look at them without bias, u'll see that they have a lot in common and none is perfect.

@KunleOshob:

Haba Alhaji, common sense dictates that i would be almost humanly impossible to document every thing Jesus said or did whilst he was here with us physically on this planet even the bible states so in John 21:25 which says: 25 Jesus also did many other things.

That same common sense tells me that what you have is an incomplete work. Or you select what you think is good for reproof, preaching, repremind, etc, as you christians wish to portray your Bible! It is cheessy you know. That is the height of dishonesty!

If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written. so the fact thatit was not documented does not mean Jesus did not ell his disciples how he sarted his ministry.

I guess this is why you guys always have "personal" interpretations, since the work is incomplete anyways! Jesus only spent 3 years preaching! He was here for 33 years, according to you! He was contained by the world itself, and you are claiming that his saying can not be contained by the same world which contained him without any problem as the speaker himself? You know that no one in Nigeria and West of it, as an example knew about Jesus when he was here on earth, right? Let me ask you; which is greater? His words or him? If his presence was not even a burden for the earth, how can his words for a mere 33 years be an unbearable burden for that same earth?

Please proof to everyone that am shallow! I hate to drag you around like this! This earth carried Adam, Enoch, Noah whom mankind except those with him were killed, Abraham whom all of you clamor around and call "father", Moses whom God spoke to without an angel as carrier of the message, and the incidents were more than one time, and great miracles were done by him, including rendering useless the tyrannical Pharaoh, David who slaughtered Goliat, when David was just a 12 year old, not even bermitvahed yet at 13, Solomon who God subjected even genie to his command and the same earth will not be able to handle the mere words of Jesus when the same earth had fed him and matured his mother who gave birth to him, nourished him, etc and even nursed him to full health by mere oils or balm robbed on him by women (people from the earthand he was not married to any of those women who were massaging him. He did not tell them to stop, because he was too weak to resist or talk. Can we imagine if this was Muhammad (AS), the Christians will be using it as a weapon to show his sexual appetite), of the bodily wounds he suffered from the attempt on his life?

Finally the same earth that he ran to its safer side, in Egypt where black nubians and coptics lived, as the people bearing danger on his life lived on the otherside where the Children of Israel, his own lighter skin people lived, of a river or sea out of many that the earth also housed? Kunle, omo boy, don't disappoint me! Step to the plate, if you can. If you cant I understant, because it is a tall order that I put in front of you! Even your most learned cant get out of this one.



@Krayola: I am not condemning any religion here and now. But I think I want Kunle to know that Jesus (AS) was not unique in his preachings! Every prophet preached love and reverence to God. Everyone of them preached anger and dislikes (hate) of disobedients to God's commandents, rule and wishes on human.

olabowale:

@KunleOshob:If I show you verses from Quran and ahadith talking about love and forgiveness of fellow men, will you quit Christianity and upgrade yourself to Islam? I will only do that when you accept my challenge. The free ride is not to destruction, but to pure salvation without fakery o death and blood!


I hear you, except that Jesus in his "parable" of the king, on the king's return said that those who advocated for his never to return to rule them should be brought before him and be slained! Let me ask you, is this parable not about Jesus, or some mythical king who is actng like a big gangster, and terrorist in that verse? I know you will deny it for Jesus. So therefore I will go to the revelation about his return.

Jesus is slated to return and kill those of his own; the people of the house of israel, who will not accept his rulership! The Jews are aware of this. So are the Evangelistic Christians. Please Kunle, help me out of my shallowness by explaining the dual and directly opposing verses here! One a Parable, the other a prediction. Both pointing to blood bath, but one is clearly Jesus at his return to do a number on the Jews!

And when Moses made God kill Pharaoh and his army by drowning them in the sea, just by Moses using his staff, or all the killings that Moses did all the way to the edge of the "promised land (i do not believe it is a promise that will include evil doers, even as they persist in doing evil)", the massacres of people of Cannine, the Amorites, the Hittatits, the jebusites, and the destruction of the city of Jericho are not fights for God? What about the destruction and slaying of Goliat by young david, not a fight in defense of God?

If none of these fights had oocurred, wuld Jesus who preached "peace for the first time (I winked)", even though he asked his people to sell their cloths and purchase with it Swords (what would a peaceful man and his cohorts need swords for over 2000 years ago, would not it be the same thing a man needs shoulder launcher for today, from outside the fringe of acceptable authority?) be born n Jerusalem or whereever he was born?

Finally I remember the many Crusades mounted by the christian Europeans to Middle East, to route out the Muslims and in the process killed Jews! What about the Conqistadors/Spanish Inquisitions? Muslims and Jews were killed, and the killers were Christians. What about the colonizations of darker skin people by the Christian lighter skin people? These ligher skin colonizers, all over the world were Christians, with the Jews and some muslims acting as supporters making monies along the way? What about the world wars, primarily fought as leaders by the Christians? I guess you are not using the Bible at that time?

Okay south africa's afrikaan's apartheid tyranny over the blacks; they used the Bible without any question. What about the USA that I know well? Slavery and even now KKK still use the Bible to make claims about their white Supremacy's mumbo jumbo. Just the other day whites were arrested for plotting to kill the President. He is a white supremacy guy. The other day an abortion clinic Doctor was gunned down by a Bible thumping man.

Now who is very shallow, Kunle? Is the shallower person not you? Please defend your honor and excuse my ignorance! I want you to address each of these points, otherwise the label will stick!

The fact that "christians" in history have done evil in the past does not mean they draw the inspiration to do it from the bible unlike the quoran that gives clear instuctions to perpetuate evil against other men. That apart i am sure you realize that christianity is a new testament religion and NOt old testament and those who base doctrine on old testament are either ignorant or they are just being mischievious. Old testament is the jewish religion. That apart we also know for a fact that muhammed plagiarized heavily from the bible/torah when he was compiling his quoran hence some of the similarities you come across in both books.

Finally Jesus is not slated to return to kill any body i am certain you are forcing your own perverted opinion into the scriptures, all your other responses are just baseless rants which i would not condescend to addressing cause you are obviously just looking for loopholes that don't exist and creating them yourself

What is the genealogy of mohammed and olumba olumba obu? pls is just a question and should not be seen as avenue for scandals.

@KunleOshob: Please where do the Christians draw their evil inspirations, if not from the Bible? Why would there be a need for sword, if it was not initially purposely meant to figt> And if I can drum up verses of the Bible that allows killing and actually show wars, killing and lost of lives and cutting down of trees and killing livestocks (lacking in agroeconomics), what will you do?

If I can also get to you from the new testament that the Jews are doomed when Jesus comes back what will you do for me? Did you forget the Eleshe Opa Jesus song in Yoruba land, during easter? And the story that happened on Q train Subway line in New York City the other day is a true indication of what your heart may harbor, not the peaceful in the face statement that does notreach up to your throat!

Lets wager man. Right there in your Bible, we can see it. Or you dont know the Bible that well?

I am lost here!
What has a Muslim got to do with a Christian forum? Is confusion and diffusion the main objective here?

@Olabowale
please show me the verses and make sure it is from the new testament were christianity begins

ogajim:

I am lost here!
What has a Muslim got to do with a Christian forum? Is confusion and diffusion the main objective here?

Most certainly it is.

Christians identify Messiah with Jesus and define him as God incarnated as a man, and believe he died for the sins of humanity as a blood sacrifice. This means that one has to accept the idea that one person's death can atone for another person's sins. However, this is opposed to what the Bible says in Deuteronomy 24:26, "Every man shall be put to death for his own sin," which is also expressed in Exodus 32:30-35, and Ezekiel 18. The Christian idea of the messiah also assumes that God wants, and will accept, a human sacrifice. After all, it was either Jesus-the-god who died on the cross, or Jesus-the-human.


Jews believe that God cannot die, and so all that Christians are left with in the death of Jesus on the cross, is a human sacrifice. However, in Deuteronomy 12:30-31, God calls human sacrifice an abomination, and something He hates: "for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods." All human beings are sons or daughters, and any sacrifice to God of any human being would be something that God would hate. The Christian idea of the messiah consists of ideas that are UnBiblical.
Fuente(s):
http://whatjewsbelieve.org/


Bloquear usuario

Jesus lived and died a practising Jew. So wherever it is you think WE'RE going, he's gonna be there right along with us!

And we don't need a 'second chance' because unlike you, we don't believe in original sin, or eternal hellfire and damnation.

Now, why don't you worry about your own spiritual welfare, 'cause frankly, we don't need your help!

wackhack:

I feel like posting some things in this forum and i wouldn't mind if you are challenge by it or probably you get hurt, for truth must be spoken. Well, we all know how to type and post well. We have the capacity of locating where error was or is. We even see beyond our reasonable mind what other cannot see. Infact, we are very judgemental in our words and ways. Not only that, we are all full of strength and most important we are sure of ourselves when it comes to debating issues even life issues. Above all, this show to us that there is a driving force behind everything we do.
But our problem is this "WE HAVE NOT BEEN DEALT WITH NEITHER HAVE WE KNOW THE WAY TO THE CROSS. ALL WE GATHER ALONG THE WAY ARE JUST HEAD KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT LIFE IN IT. Yea, we may complain and talk about things that are wrong with todays CHRISTIANITY but we are not very conversant at providing the SOLUTION to them.
DON'T FORGET, THE CORRUPTION YOU SEE OUTSIDE AND CONDEM OR SPOKE AGAINST ARE ALSO INSIDE OF YOU WAITING FOR THE SAVIOUR TO JUDGE.
Having gone through the christian's forum in this site, what i've always been seeing has been the PROBLEM of todays church but never have i see a SOLUTION. To be candid, what Youth can see are the problem but it take an AGED man( A man that have followed God and has been dealt with in all his ways) to see the SOLUTION. Youth are full of strength but its of no use when they are not dealt it.
If i may ask, how many of You here has been dealt with by the Lord forget about the bible here and be realistic?. Has the Lord shown you the Corruption inside of you at anytime?. How many of His rod have you bear in the process of disobeying Him? Do you at all hear His voice? Or Has He ever spoken to you personally? Do you have experiential knowledge of Whom Christ is- i mean knowing Him as the Lord over you not as saviour? To what extense have you dealt with your Adamic nature? How many time have you cried to the Lord for the CORRUPTION INSIDE OF YOU?
Let me stop there, don't forget YOUR STRENGTH AND KNOWLEDGE IS OF NO USE IF ALL AFOREMENTION ARE NOT THERE IN YOUR LIFE. So, brothers and sisters why don't we deal with our lives first before considering other. REMEMBER THIS '' CHRIST WILL NEVER COMPROMISE HIS CHURCH FOR ANYTHING'' NOT EVEN FOR YOU AS A CHRISTIAN. YEA, SHE MAY APPEAR AS HARLOT OR UNHOLY BUT DON'T FORGET THAT THAT IS WHAT HE DIED FOR. IN HIS OWN EYES HIS BRIDE IS HOLY BUT HOW DO YOU SEE HER?, GOD'S WORD ARE NOT MEANT TO BE DEBATE ON OR ARGUE ABOUT, NO, HE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A JUDGE OF HIS WORD. Let HIM ALONE JUDGE. To this end, let everyone of us as Youth be wise. "'THE STRENGTH OF AN HORSE IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD"'

This is food for thought.

@olabowale
you are a muslim, so you can never understand what the old covenant and new covenant mean. You think you make sense, more of showing how an Ignoramus you are.

Kunle,

can you explain these verses of the bible:

1. Romans 8:32

He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?

2.   Romans 5:17

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more [/b]will [b]those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

3.      2 Corinthians 9:8

8And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work

4.Matthew 7:11 (Jesus speaking)

11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him

@fyneguy
It is obvious that you and several other hostages of that con man desperately need help. Stop trying to force your greed into scripture as this thread as already clearly established what the true gospel is all about and it has absolutely nothing to do with prosperity gospel[marmon worship] the scriptures you quoted do not in anyway suggest prosperity teachings which I am sure your crooked pastor wld have twisted it to mean. Remember context matters when you are reading scriptures.

Kunle,

You see how arrogant, devilish and shallow-minded you are?

I quoted verses from the scriptures and all you could do was rant some gibberish.

Your problem is that you dont know a thing about Prosperity and I won't allow you to confuse people on this forum with heresy from the pit of hell.

What has prosperity got to do with marmon worship?

Honestly if you dont know something, dont arrogantly rub your ignorance on the faces of people.

I repeat- what do you make of the verses I quoted earlier? (using whatever escapist contexts u can muster)

See the thread that kuns directed me to. Every other person 'bandies' fallacy except you. See the whole thing sef. This is one of the reasons why people sometimes log away instead of logging out

See the thread that kuns directed me to. Every other person 'bandies' fallacy except you. See the whole thing sef. This is one of the reasons why people sometimes log away instead of logging out

Mmmmh  this thread brings nostalgic memories, when nairaland religious section was still hot, thought i'd resucitate it so baby christians like Joagbaje can learn from it and perhaps get to understand what the true gospel of Jesus Christ is all about.

The true gospel as I understand it.

@ Poster,

All I can say is to pray for you. God bless you and your knowledge in the word of God increase in Jesus' name. Thanks for such article.

KunleOshob: Going through the new testament i realized that the gospel of Jesus was more about us than about God. This can be explained as being a product of the selfless love God/Christ as for us. It was about us living a good life and being good to each other. it was about how we can make the world a better place whilst we prepare to make heaven. It was very selfless[unlike what christianity is today]. It was about pure love in deed and not just in words[our churches and christians pay lip service to this greatest commandment]. It is my sincere belief that any body that claims to be a christian and he genuienly loves christ such a person would keep his commandments especially the ones he made clear to us are his greatest commandments. It is a very sad thing today that his commandments are being largely ignored by the church and most christians who claim to love him. Self love instead of love for others is now the guiding principle in christianity being encouraged today by our so-called clergy.

Matthew 7:12:

The Golden Rule
12 “Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
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Matthew 22:37-39:
The great commandment
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

The central theme of christianity in the bible is Love and this love was demonstrated in several ways but most especially through activelly helping the poor, needy and less priviledged as recoreded in the bible. It is very unfortunate that those same verses that were used to teach giving to the poor in the NT are now being twisted to mean giving to the "church"[talk of robbing the poor] in my subsequent posts i would try and post as many scriputures as possible which emphasizes that chrisitanity is about love [even though it is glaringly missing in today's version of christianity]

And before i start receiving bashings from fellow "christians" this thread is not about criticizing christianity as it is practised today but more about exhorting ourselves to better christian living based on biblical truths. 

According to Matthew 7:12 that you quoted you say if we can keep the golden rule, which is to love our neighbour as ourselves that we fulfil the Law. Have you ever lied, stolen, hated or looked with lust? If you have broken any of these Moral Law, then you haven't loved those you have lied to, stolen from, hated or lusted after. It actually shows that you broke the Golden rule that Jesus laid down and are under God's wrath, you are desperately needing the cleansing blood of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

According to Matthew 7:12 that you quoted you say if we can keep the golden rule, which is to love our neighbour as ourselves that we fulfil the Law. Have you ever lied, stolen, hated or looked with lust? If you have broken any of these Moral Law, then you haven't loved those you have lied to, stolen from, hated or lusted after. It actually shows that you broke the Golden rule that Jesus laid down and are under God's wrath, you are desperately needing the cleansing blood of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Yes I have broken the laws of God several times and I am not ashamed to say it, however I acknowledge my faults and I strive daily to be a better christian a do God's will. That apart I have christ assurance of salvation as I have accepted him in totality. I guess you are are saint and you have never fallen short of our lord's commandments.

Pastor Kun:

Yes I have broken the laws of God several times and I am not ashamed to say it, however I acknowledge my faults and I strive daily to be a better christian a do God's will. That apart I have christ assurance of salvation as I have accepted him in totality. I guess you are are saint and you have never fallen short of our lord's commandments.

Your daily striving will not help because you have violated the Golden Rule.

OLAADEGBU:

Your daily striving will not help because you have violated the Golden Rule.

And you, you haven't violated the golden rule abi? Or is it written in your own bible that you would loose your salvation once you violate the golden rule?

Pastor Kun:

And you, you haven't violated the golden rule abi? Or is it written in your own bible that you would loose your salvation once you violate the golden rule?

You have to be sure that you are saved in the first place.