@Kola Oloye: « #41 on: July 15, 2009, 08:19 AM »

Sir, Thank God you went through elementary class where you were taught that 2+2 = 4. Let us assume that as at that time you were so naive you couldn't argue that, what happened now that you an adult that you still believe your teacher? The answer is simple: No one has been able to prove otherwise. Likewise that of Jesus when He told us that He is not of this world why should we bother ourselves that He was wrong when His statement had not been proved otherwise.

My intention s not to overtly antagonise you. But if I follow your above statement as a process to determine what Jesus is, I will have to accept that Jesus was fluctuating 100% Human being in many instances. And when one can argue for his divinity, one will have to refer to his statement of Mark 12 Verse 29, where he clearly states that he and his audience have the same Lord God who is One, just like Isiah and his audience.

I see that you did not even put up a front on the matter of Mark 12 verse 29. Lol.

As for his lineage not claiming the Almighty God as their father was simple : Joseph slept with Mary before they were conceived whereas Mary was a virgin and she was not impregnated by Joseph before Jesus was born.

Did I miss something here? Virgin and disvirgin. Disvirgin and Virgin? Osisi, this is your interest, since you are a Doctor. Disvirgin first, then virgin, again. Osisi, please explain.


[Quote]Truly, the balm of this world healed his wound simply because he carried human flesh. Remember His kingdom is not of this world because the way you and i was given birth to was not the same with Jesus.He was not formed from any man's sperm.[/quote]I thought he was dead! No? What tradition put balm/oiltment on the wounds of their dead? Was this part of the Jewish traditions on their dead, or the people knew that he was not dead, hence happy to hide this fact, but then helped him to heal fast by the robbing of oil on his wounds?

And as to the lack of sperm to produce him, we must not forget the egg of a woman was present. That made him human. Now compare that to the first human, male Adam, and the second hum, but first female Eve. I submit to you that their creations are more difficult to the human eyes than the creation fo Jesus which has just no father element. But each is simple to Allah, exept that they are unique in their ways. Adam no father and no mother. Eve, Adam is father and mother or a source of cloning while Jesus son of Mary is with mother only. All is Be so it is!

« #42 on: July 15, 2009, 08:33 AM »
To His ministry there was a specific time and while He was rounding up He asked them(the disciples) not to be afraid that He was going to send that another comforter that is the spirit that would be dwelling inside of them. So he asked them to tarry in the city of Jerusalem until they were filled with the holy ghost and power.
It was with this power that they were able to conquer and also performed miracles.

First, Saul who later became Paul was not included in this "Another Comforter" cum "now spirit by your induction" people to experience the visit. This you must agree with me. Yes? If we are in agreement, then I bring you to provide the answers of what did the spirit acting as the another comforter teached, instructed, reminded and how did it glorify Jesus, or in defennse of Mary the mother of Jesus? If you list them, I will list what Muhammad did in teachinh, Instructing, Reminding and how he glorified Jesus and kept he and his mother in a honorable place! We must list all the qualities of the another comforter and then see if the holy spirit even pass muster of say 10% of it, and then see if Muhammad did not pass 100% of it.

While He (Jesus) was with the disciples He was their comforter and they were not happy that He was going away- that was the reason He promised them "the new comforter". That new comforter "The Holy Ghost" is the one with every born again Christian today. This spirit is the True spirit of God. Thank you.

If Jesus was the original or former comforter, then the new or another comforter must have exactly the same nature as he. No? Count them.

Jesu was a son of a man, so was Muhammad, and spirit was not a son of man.
Jesus ate so was Muhammad and Spirit did not.
Jesus has a religious communit, so was Muhammad and the spirit was not
Jesus was hated by hs community, so was Muhammad the spirit was not
Jesus spoke audible words, so was Muhammad, the spirit didnt
Jesus had a book, so was Muhammad, but the spirit did not
Jesus was persecuted so was Muhammad, the spirit was not
Jesus gave a sermon on the mountain, so did Muhammad in his farewell sermon on Mount Arafat, where was that of the Spirit?
Jesus left Instructions, so didMuhammad, but where is the instructions of the spirit?

Now Muhammad taught people to all things.
Muhammad Instructed to all things and of course the last segment to complete islam as it was brought to perfection.
Muhammad corrected people as to the true mission and instruction of Jesus, after people had overzealotly bastardized them
Muhammad returned the honor of Jesus including that of his mother, mary who the Jews accused as bastard and fornicator, respetively.
While you guys are calling Jesus another vesrion fo God, and father another and Spirit, yet another, Muhammad told you that Jesus was simply a prophet, a human being and have all the trappings of humanness, including his mother being human, and that the spirit is nothing more than Angel Jibril and God is Allah and your Creator not your father!


@May kelly (f){ « #43 on: July 15, 2009, 04:08 PM »

@olabowale
What is the lineage of mohammed? and O O O. Pls provide the one u kn. I don't need long talk or argument. You already kn that of Lord Jesus Christ i assume. So can we kn that of your prophet Mohammed?

I know that Muhammad's father was Abdallah and his mother was Amina. I know that his father's father was AbdalMutalib (Slave of Mutalib, his own Uncle), and they are from the Ashimi clan of the Quraish family, whose bloodline to Ibrahim was from Ismail (AS), the first son and one time only son of Ibrahim!

By the way, as to Jesus, you call him lord, his lineage, if it is true that he has no father, will have to run through his mother mary. Now tell me who was the father of mary, and the father's father and the father's father? Can you trace that to Ibrahim, or go furter to Adam, and considering that only a handful of people entered the vessel with Noah, tell me in particular the man who is connected to Jesus among them. I am now calling your bluff, woman!

And how do you explain his sonship to God, by this human ascendancy chain? Who was really the son of God who became the father of Jesus son of Mary? When you guys open your mouths, just because we do not put you in your fakery place is not because Islam does not the answers. We may not have it on Nairaland or just want to avoid unnecessary arguments.


@Kola Oloye: « #44 on: July 17, 2009, 10:05 AM

@olabowale,
Sir,Have you gone through my response to you? I believe you are satisfied.
May the Glory of God never depart from you and your family in Jesus amen (amen)

My man, you stank up your prayer by your Idolatry ending. Finally I was not satisfied at all. I simply asked you for the thesis on mark 12 verse 29, and what you gave me was an approach of a one begging the question. Its an Obtruse position that you took. No am not satisfied. You see, I repeated it for emphasis.

@olabowale, plssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!  we don't serve the same God.

I serve the Living God, the God of Host. The God that has a Son, Lord Jesus.

John 1 verse 34 and I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

@olabowale Pls for the last time - I serve the Living God not opposite take Note.

@ Olabowale,
Let us look at the book of Mark chapter 12

1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged
a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.

4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him
away shamefully handled.

5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'

8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them:
and they left him, and went their way.

13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest
not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
And they marvelled at him.

18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,

19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother
should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.

21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.

22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.

23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying,
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him,
Which is the first commandment of all?

29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love
his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man
after that durst ask him any question.

35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?

36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:

40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than
all they which have cast into the treasury:

44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

@Mr. K, I can see how much u love Olabowale, but the truth is that "He can't read neither can he differentiate b/w things. He knows quoran / Koran or what ever – but he does NOT know the HOLY BIBLE.

But if you wish to continue with him – be ready for BLIND argument.

May kelly:

@Mr. K, I can see how much u love Olabowale, but the truth is that "He can't read neither can he differentiate b/w things. He knows quoran / Koran or what ever – but he does NOT know the HOLY BIBLE.

But if you wish to continue with him – be ready for BLIND argument.

Funny.

Haba which truth are you professing ? That the messiah was nailed and he died in pieces ? C'mon save the crab,

Untill Lord Jesus TOUCH the BLIND, he will NOT see!

The jesus that died on cross ? Wa pén bè

Yes, He died on the cross
Unless HE that died on the CROSS TOUCHES the BLIND, the Blind will not See

Does God die ? Lmao

@Abuzola
Jesus is not the Almighty God. He is the son that came to die for us (you and i) so that we can have eternal life.
It is better for you to repent now that you have the opportunity before it is too late. I wish you well in Jesus name.

HEAVEN IS REAL likewise HELL but the CHOICE is yours.

We are having different view on jesus. Lol what a confussionist

I kinda feel, kola oloye's case is simple. He seems to hold an implicit opinion regarding Jesus's blah blah blah.

I pray may Allah, the Exalted, guide you to the right path, amen.

Abuzola:

We are having different view on jesus. Lol what a confussionist

Blinded confussionist - ur neither mus.lim nor Isalm, anyway read ur faith below since u claim to be a muslim -

In Islam, Jesus (Arabic: عيسى‎, commonly transliterated as Isa) is considered one of God's important prophets, a bringer of scripture, and a worker of miracles. Jesus is also called "Messiah", but Islam does not teach that he was divine. Islam teaches that Jesus ascended bodily to heaven without experiencing the crucifixion and resurrection,

"Messiah" Somebody regarded as a savior or liberator redeemer of a country, people, or the world

Woe to them that refuse to accept Jesus as their Saviour.

Woe to you, jesus was never a messiah, he couldn't even save himself from the pharises instead he shed crocodile tears mathew 27:46. For your info jesus of Islam is not the same with that of the bible,

Complete ignorant for what he claim to be Islam or Muslim. You’re a disgrace to Islam for denying their claims, and[b] take note[/b], i don't need a blind man's reply.

Luke 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard;
how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised,
to the poor the gospel is preached.

IN CHRIST THERE IS DELIVERANCE. Embrace him today and be delivered.

@kola oloye,

Soften your language if you wanna preach.

Let's re-start it. What's your problem with your guy, Abuzola?

Abuzola is Blind and daft. and been rejected by all Islam and muslims- u can find out ur self.

hhmm.
I have noticed that when we argue (a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal) on these boards.

We are not proposing based on a premise, we are simply consolidating on an assumption that we believe to be fact and that the foundation of this fact cannot be questioned but accepted. When we do things like this we end up with a pre-conceived conclusion which cannot change unless the facts are discovered to be either incorrect or flawed in their interpretation which makes for even more complex and hydra-headed arguments that in reality will never be answered until we face God on Judgment day.

Pls people, become open-minded does not mean Shatan will slip his corrupted doctrines into our well-aware minds and hypnotize us into believing what is untruth from following clear evidence presented.

With an open mind, let us remove the veil of history and wear the lens of clarity.

Thank you

May kelly:

@olabowale, plssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! we don't serve the same God.

I serve the Living God, the God of Host. The God that has a Son, Lord Jesus.
John 1 verse 34 and I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

@olabowale Pls for the last time - I serve the Living God not opposite take Note.

This is serious , We are actually not serving the same God cos Muslim God never begot neither is he begotten

@alimat 2,
What about what i told you,have you forgotten that there is only one God, THE CREATOR

Why don't you let us reason together,enlighten people about this GOD so that these atheists could be put to shame.

Now you are talking ! GOD is one even the bible says so, so why God is in 3 sigments ? please make your people assimilate what you are conveying by quoting from the Bible where jesus said 'GOD IS THREE' wake up

Mark 10:51
And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him,
Lord, that I might receive my sight.

:52
And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight,
and followed Jesus in the way.

IN CHRIST THERE IS HEALING . Accept JESUS today,tomorrow could be too late.

Mr. K, i will appreciate if u modify the topic heading and remove that name there.

Mr. K I love you so much.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7 

And[b] Jesus said [/b] unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. Matthew 8:13

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15

And they were offended in him. But[b] Jesus said [/b] unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:57

But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. Matthew 14:16

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Matthew 15:16

Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees Matthew 16:6

Is always my Lord Jesus!

May kelly:

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7 

And[b] Jesus said [/b] unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. Matthew 8:13

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15

And they were offended in him. But[b] Jesus said [/b] unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. Matthew 13:57

But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat. Matthew 14:16

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Matthew 15:16

Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees Matthew 16:6

Is always my Lord J
esus!

Thank you my sister,we have a message of love GOD want as many people as possible into his kingdom now GOD is revealing himself to many muslim in dream and are saved also athiest.BUT we have to be praying for them that GOD we remove scale from there eyes and ear or else(ACTUALLY IN A VISIONS GOD SHOWS A SISTER UNBELIVER CAN NOT SEE OR HEAR AND MYSELF IT WAS SHOWN TO ME THEY ARE FULL OF DEMON,DARKNESS), you are preaching to a blind and deaf men but i know with prayer we can get more saul to paul.satan is holding to them .that is why we are here to intercede,this is the greatest ministry GOD have given to us in the light.

remain blessed all

grace5:


Thank you my sister,we have a message of love GOD want as many people as possible into his kingdom now GOD is revealing himself to many muslim in dream and are saved also athiest.BUT we have to be praying for them that GOD we remove scale from there eyes and ear or else(ACTUALLY IN A VISIONS GOD SHOWS A SISTER UNBELIVER CAN NOT SEE OR HEAR AND MYSELF IT WAS SHOWN TO ME THEY ARE FULL OF DEMON,DARKNESS), you are preaching to a blind and deaf men but i know with prayer we can get more saul to paul.satan is holding to them .that is why we are here to intercede,this is the greatest ministry GOD have given to us in the light.
remain blessed all

My beloved. you're most welcome.  when we walk in the light - we love just like Him(the light - Lord Jesus)

He (Lord Jesus) said to the accusers if you have no sin in you, be the first to cast stone upon her ( what a perfect judge)

@grace, i pity you, u think ure in light right?not knowing that ure in total darkness

uplawal:

@grace, i pity you, u think ure in light right?not knowing that ure in total darkness

What are you insinuating?

uplawal:

@grace, i pity you, u think ure in light right?not knowing that ure in total darkness

OK,GOD the creator of everything dwells in light(pure,holy,powerfull,full of glory).HE does everything through this light,HE expect everybody

to be in this light,but darkness is in man heart,it hurt him HE send this light to this world to deliver human being who have pitch tent with Satan

father of darkness(sin).so anybody who believe,follow align with this light that come into the world becomes part of the light.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE LIGHT OF MEN,HE IS BRIGHT,SHINE NO DARKNESS CAN OVERCOMES HIM,WE CHRISTIAN ARE PART OF THIS LIGHT.

IMAGINE WE ARE LIGHTING TO HELP YOU BE PART OF THIS LIGHT. UNTILL GOD WE REMOVES US(LIGHT ) FROM THIS WORLD.

THANKS