OLAADEGBU:


In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished? Who has performed the greatest act of love? Yahweh or Allah?

OLAADEGBU:


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Who has performed the greatest act of love? Yahweh or Allah
by Matt Slick

In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished? I asked this question of several Muslims, and I got similar answers: he forgave us of our sins, he gave us families and provisions, he showed us mercy, he gave us the Qur'an. The answers didn't vary much beyond these responses. I found them lacking.

Most Muslims believe that the Bible is not trustworthy, it has been corrupted, the Injeel (gospel) of Jesus has been lost, and the Qur'an restores God's truth to mankind. But, that is another subject to be debated.

In John 15:13, Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." I have the Nestle Aland Greek New Testament with the textual apparatus included in it. The textual apparatus is the complete listing (per verse) of any textual variants that occur in any of the ancient New Testament manuscripts. Therefore, it is a very easy thing to go to John 15:13 and look at the textual evidence to see if there are any manuscripts at all--anywhere that have any variation on that verse. There are none. In other words, there is not a single manuscript of the more than 25,000 manuscripts of the NT that have a different translation on that verse. Every single one of them says the exact same thing. I will, therefore, conclude that it is an authentic and reliable saying of Jesus.

Again, Jesus said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend." According to Jesus, the greatest act of love is to sacrifice one's life for another. This means that giving one's life for another is a greater act of love than providing food for him, giving him a family, being nice to him or being honest, helpful, or whatever. Self-sacrifice, to the point of death, is the very greatest act of love.

Has Allah performed the greatest act of love? The answer is no. Allah has not sacrificed himself at all. Allah has not died for another. Allah has not loved us to the point of death. In Christianity, Jesus, who is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), laid His life down for us. Jesus performed the greatest act of love.

OLAADEGBU:




To be continued...

OLAADEGBU:


If Islam is true . . .

If Islam is true and Allah is the true God, then Jesus, a creation (according to Islam) has performed a greater act of love than Allah (according to the Bible). A mere man has outdone Allah in love and sacrifice. But, of course, Islam denies that Jesus ever died. They then say that Jesus has not done the greatest act of love. Their denial does not change the fact that Jesus died on the cross as is amply attested to by the eyewitnesses who wrote the gospel. Besides, whether or not the Muslim believes Jesus died on the cross does not change the fact that Jesus told us what the greatest act of love was--and Allah has not done it. Yet, according to Christianity He has. Since Muslims want Christians to adopt Islam, they are asking Christians to give up their Lord who has performed the greatest act of love on their behalf. Why would they want to do that?

If Christianity is true, then God has performed the greatest act of love. If Islam is true, then God hasn't. Which "god" then is more loving: the one who speaks of love or the one who acts out love?

I have found nowhere in the Qur'an where it says that Allah is love. The Qur'an says that Allah loves people, but it never says that Allah is love. By contrast, the Bible clearly tells us that God is love. "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him," (1 John 4:16).

analice107:


Allah and acts of love? Hmm. Let me see. OK ok ok. I remember. The 72virgins in Heaven. Did I try?

OLAADEGBU:

Good job!

analice107:


Thank you, thank you very much.

tartar9:

lmao
Your god's Greatest act of love would qualify as the Greatest act of injustice in the sight of Allah(SWT).Won't blame you thou,that's the sort of 'love' you could expect from serving a tyrant

OLAADEGBU:


In Islam, what is the greatest act of love Allah has ever accomplished? Who has performed the greatest act of love? Yahweh or Allah?

OLAADEGBU:

What is the greatest act of love demonstrated by your 'God'?

Junia:


He sent Jesus to die for us

NinjaX:


Yahweh is far more evil. Wiped off almost an entirely race, and I'm sure the retribution did not end there, those people would likely go to hell to continue serving yahweh's punishment.

Yahweh has made the word "sadist" lose its essence.

OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe Yahweh exists?

NinjaX:


So you will say it's unreasonable to criticise a nonexistent entity? Lol. So predictable.

Appraising yahweh does not make him real anymore than talking about Thor makes him real.

OLAADEGBU:


Is it possible to hate fictional characters that does not exist?

NinjaX:


What do I call the fallacy you just committed?

Each time yahweh is subjected to logical scrutiny and a flaw is found in his character, he suddenly doesn't exist because he couldn't have possessed such attributes.

When the coin is flipped the other side, then of course yahweh truly exist as proven in his goodness and mercifulness towards humanity. Yahweh only exist when praises are heaped on him. Otherwise he doesn't exist.

So do you like the Keeper in Legend of The Seeker because he does n't exist?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you believe in the laws of logic, nature and morality?

NinjaX:
Yahweh is far more evil. Wiped off almost an entirely race, and I'm sure the retribution did not end there, those people would likely go to hell to continue serving yahweh's punishment.

Yahweh has made the word "sadist" lose its essence.

Junia:


He still showed dat He loves them that was y Jesus died
Little did you know that Jesus preached to the people in Hell ..
He is a righteous judge .. He wants everybody to hear about Him so that they wouldnt have an excuse of not knowing Him when He is judging

NinjaX:


The death of Jesus is a contradiction. Contradiction have no place in reality. How about those who died before Jesus was born? Does that mean they would miss heaven? And why can't God undo a damage without demanding a ransom in return? Jesus was innocent, why did God drag him into our mess? What the cunting _fuck kind of sadistic game is this? I'm sick and tired of god.

He preached to those in hell? So you are saying people are already in hell? And will that be of any help?

Love, love, love, love. God loves me. He loves you. He loves us. He is compassionate, loving, filled with compassion, filled with love. He loves the world. He loves humans. He loves everybody. He is love. God is love. But he would throw us into a furnace of burning sulphur, where we would scream, wail, cry forever... If we don't obey him. Only a psychopath would do that. God is a malevolent brute, a beast, a sadist with a perpetual scowl, a bully, a big jerk, a trouble maker, a bleeped up relentless _fucker, a twisted pervert, and for all these, he should be held behind formidable bars. Flee from god. God hates you. He doesn't love you.

Junia:




Just stay in that ignorance nd see wah il happen to u wen die ...
God loves everyone but He hates sin
And when u sin ... u deserve punishment
Jesus took that punishment in hell
And almost all of the people He preached to in hell will receive Him

NinjaX:


That's a mountainous lie sir. God does not hate sin. In fact, he categorically stated that he created evil.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Do you agree that God created everything in the universe?

When you sin, you deserve punishment. If you steal and get caught, be ready to face the penalty theft attracts. Quite alright.
Amazingly, in God's world, it does not work that way. God's manner of punishment is arbitrary and irrational. He dishes punishment at random (e.g when unborn kids die) and to his twisted pleasure (when children are born with disabilities aka blind bartimaeus) and unreasonably ( when others have to receive the punishment of sins committed by other people aka passing blame of fathers to their children).

Can the force of madness be stronger than that?

Junia:



You must understand the scipture
There is no God beside Jehovah. There is nothing done without him. He makes peace, put here for all good; and creates evil, not the evil of sin, but the evil of punishment. He is the Author of all that is true, holy, good, or happy; and evil, error, and misery, came into the world by his permission, through the wilful apostacy of his creatures, but are restrained and overruled to his righteous purpose.
God hates sin because He is holy; holiness is the most
exalted of all His attributes ( Isaiah 6:3 ; Revelation 6:8 ). God hates sin because it opposes His very nature and is the work of the devil (John 8:44 ). God describes sin as wounds and bruises (Isaiah 1:6 ), as a burden (Psalm 38:4 ), as something that defiles (Titus 1:15 ), a heavy debt (Matthew 6:12-15 ), a stain (Isaiah 1:18 ), and as darkness (1 John 1:6 ).
God again hates sin for the simple reason that sin separates us from Him: “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2)

NinjaX:


Nonsense. Are we gonna argue literature now? Lol.

Your argument is faulty. More often than not, theists, pastors, christian apologists tell people that they lack a good understanding of the bible whenever their thoughts is not aligned in delusion with the thought of whom they are having a dispute with (usually atheists/deists).

Pray tell, is the bible now a literary work? When I read shakespeare hardcopy, the complex version (not simplified version), there's usually an index to explain certain words and phrases. If the bible was intented to be a classic piece of literature in grand and scale, then the writers should have replicated same as explained above (by adding an index).

But I think it's pretty ridiculous for an history book to be written in such style. It would be too jumbled up and difficult to grasp.

God creates evil for certain reasons? Why wasn't the quoted verse explained further to give readers more insight as to the idea about it all? This is some serîous shît.

Little wonder christians can't pass God's exam. They sin today, ask for forgiveness, sin tomorrow, ask for forgiveness, sin again next tomorrow....... And on and on it goes.

Even Further Mathetimatics is not complicated like this. There are intellectuals who are masters when it comes to Furthemath. As regards christianity, who has ever passed God's exam? Who? No not one.

NinjaX:


Why are you just quoting me today? You finally found your resolve?

I believe in the laws of logic and nature, but morality is subjective you know? And what has that got to do with anything?

OLAADEGBU:


I find it convenient to quote you today because I feel its the right time.

If you truly believe in the laws of logic and nature then how do you account for its existence and properties? Do you believe laws of logic are universal? If so why do you think it is so?

If you believe the laws of morality (subjective as you call it) are just what brings most happiness to the most people, then why would it be wrong to murder just one innocent person if it happened to make everyone else a lot happier? And if you happen to believe that the laws of morality are just adopted social customs, then why do you think what Hitler did was wrong?

NinjaX:

Cool.





Lol. You are widening the scope of the discourse bit by bit. Rest assured I will only address questions which bear relevance.

NinjaX:


Drawing conclusion that something is right because it's supported by the majority is wrong. The majority is not the voice of truth. It's just some bunch of elements suffering a strange mental illness.

NinjaX:


Except he volunteers. I think murdering an innocent person in order to please a large number of people is wrong on all levels. On what basis would the scapegoat be picked, assuming everyone was standing on the same ground level of equality?

NinjaX:


That said, a person could be killed if he causes calamities to others. That way, he earned his well-deserved reward.

NinjaX:


Food for thought:

What if, say 5 men (Mr A, B, C, D and E), of same age grade, race, financial status, practically equal in all aspects of life are aboard a boat, and midway, it seems the boat might sink if the number of passengers is not reduced by one. Now, I'm asking you, who do you think should take the fall?

OLAADEGBU:


The laws of logic and nature are all connected to the topic. Anyway, fire on.



How then do you account for the existence of the laws of morality?

So you can see that the laws of morality only makes sense in the Christian worldview where God created humans in His own image and therefore has the right to set the rules for our behaviour.

Remember that I said 'one innocent person' is the victim here. Tell us why it would be wrong to murder him/her?

That is why there should be an absolute, objective standard of behaviour that all people should obey, hence the need for absolute morality. If you are to leave the decision to the people on board that you mentioned that's where subjective morality would come in and you know that would not abode well with everyone.