joyandfaith:


if you do no know meaning of truth, you will not understand. so what is truth?

Untruthful supposed jw cannot answer posts so goes round in circles

johnw74:


Don't be a coward, address the points in my posts and then I will tell you what is the truth, because you certainly don't know.

johnw74:


Untruthful supposed jw cannot answer posts so goes round in circles

you are an antagonist nothing can convince u til you know what is truth. if you do not know it, pls tell me I will the truth to you.

johnw74:


duh, all you supposed jw's don't answer points made and go into confusion.
Father gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus sent it to John by His Angel, simple, and what about it, no one questioned that.

You know the truth since and you are here twisting it, my answer is simple and precise.
You haven't refuted it, why don't you simply acknowledge the truth? Shame the devil for once!

joyandfaith:


you are an antagonist nothing can convince u til you know what is truth. if you do not know it, pls tell me I will the truth to you.

Untruthful supposed jw still cannot answer my posts and still goes round in circles

goodnews201668:

You know the truth since and you are here twisting it, my answer is simple and precise.
You haven't refuted it, why don't you simply acknowledge the truth? Shame the devil for once!

No end to supposed jw lies, truly "Father gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus sent it to John by His Angel"
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

you not only continually lie, but you don't understand scripture and pervert what it says.

johnw74:


Untruthful supposed jw still cannot answer my posts and still goes round in circles

ur qns have been answered several times but you refuse to accept the truth. now tell me what is the truth.

johnw74:


No end to supposed jw lies, truly "Father gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus sent it to John by His Angel"
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

you not only continually lie, but you don't understand scripture and pervert what it says.

pointless.

goodnews201668:
I am not surprised you guys will just beating around the bush always and shifting the goal post. Any sound mind will see the sense in my explanations, I was even thinking you will come up with another portion. You are Paul Grundy, I know I have seen his traits!

Mr paranoia, supposed jw doesn't answer anything at all, do you, just lie,
who is the other Paul Grundy?
you know paranoia is from the devil, and doesn't it show, lies, non answering, accusing, etc etc.

This is what the real Jesus says about supossed jw, not your jesus who is "a god"
you have two gods, mighty god and almighty god

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1. Jesus himself said he had come to do the will of his father, (John 4:34)
2. Jesus was taught by his father (John 7:16)
3. Only Jehovah knows the day on which the destruction of the world would happen (Matthew 24:36)
4. Jesus Even prayed to his father who was superior to him (Matthew 26:39)
5. Jesus said his father also bears witness to him. (John 8:17,18)

Ken4Christ:
JW are not Christians for the following reasons
1. They do not believe that Christ was raised from the dead bodily. They said God could have melted the body of Jesus with chemicals. When you point to how he appeared to his disciples and asked doubting Thomas to touch him, they said that Jesus just materialized that moment. What a lie from the pit of hell.
2. They are not born again. You can not be a believer unless you are born again. Jesus said, you must be born again. John 3:1-7
3. They deny the deity of Christ. They say Jesus is not God. But the Bible teaches otherwise. You have only three class of being higher than the animal life. You are either a human being, angel or God. We all know Jesus is not human. He only took up our human nature to redeem us. We also know he is not an angel. He is God because he is the Son of God. His father is his God. He is only suspect to his father. The father that you have a boss in your office doesn't make your boss more human. In the same sense, the fact that the God his father is the head of Jesus doesn't make him more God. They have the same nature in essence. That is why Jesus said, anyone who has seen me has seen my father. He is the express image of God. John 1:1 summarizes it - In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.
3. They deny the existence of a place of torment called hell based on preconceived opinion not based on scriptures. They present it from a logical reasoning that a God of love cannot throw people into hell. If this is true, then Sodom and Gomorrah will have a legal right to protest the destruction of their lives and the two cities with fire. My readers, hell is real. Jesus spoke about it in his teachings with no trace of ambiguity. He used different terms to describe hell and the manner of suffering. He calls it, furnace of fire, everlasting fire, fire that cannot be quenched, where the worms do not die. He also said that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth night and day.
4. They will never preach Christ to you who is the very essence of Christianity.
5. They do not believe Jesus is coming back. Rather, they teach he has already returned spiritually.
6. They deny the deity and the person of the Holy Spirit calling him a wind of force.
7. They say only 144,000 will make heaven. This is a lie from the pit of hell.
8. They preach salvation is by work. The Bible says it is by grace - Ephesians 2:8 - 9.
9. They have made many false predictions of the earth and of the world. That makes them false prophets.
10. They claim to be the only mouth piece of God. That is a weird claim. God can not have just one month piece. He told Elijah that he has 7,000 prophets reserved.
I can go on and on. I admire their commitment but they are not Christians. They are agents of darkness. They are anti Christ. Only those who are perishing listens to them. Their messages appeals to the senses but they are not scriptural.

Will you shut your mouth up?

Sodom and gomorah was destroy with fire. Did they burn for eternity

Did you actually knows the meaning of destruction?

Joagbaje:


The name alone said it all. Christians are called to be witnessed for Christ not for Jehovah

so if you are witnessing for Jehovah, are you not witnessing for Christ

If you obeys Jesus commandment are you not obeying Gods commandment?
Does Jesus have any commandment that was not originally given to him by God?

I think all these aguement is not necessary. All we need is to follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus,

now the question is are we really following his teachings and commandment?

Only God truly knows those people who are actually Christians,

it is not just a enough to say im a Christian, are you actually practicing his teaching?

The disciples of Jesus was called first, Christian in antioc, can you tell me why?

Am not a Jehovah's witness, although that also depend on what you understand as witness. But i can tell you that they are the only people who actually practicing Christ like behaviours.

These are my few reasons.

1. Jw don.t go to war.

2. They don.t have soldiers among them.

3. They don.t pray against their enemies to die.

4. They don.t discriminate.

5. They are one, and they only have one place of gathering known as kingdom hall, on like their Christians counterpart who has more the hundred denominations with different doctrine, who constantly oppose and attacks each other.

6. They are equal, they see themselves as one, they goes out for door to door evangelism even if he is the cbn governor. Unlike the so called Christian who will just seat there and claim to be the general overseer, but he will be shouting at the top of his voice when he is given command to his congregation.

7. Jw will be the last person who will charge his brother to court to be judge by an unbelievers.

But i can tell you the numbers of pastors who goes to settle one disputes and the other, do you think Jesus will ever allow that if he is still present physically with us?
The list is endless. And finally no
8: they have thesething, they called love among themselves, intact i don.t think there are another organizations that practice this genue love of caring and sharing more than Jehovah's witness.

Therefore when our Lord Jesus comes, he alone will be able to know who are his true followers.

No, supposed jw's are not Christians, but are modern day pharacees, they teach that the Word was "a god"
they don't believe these scriptures:


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Supposed jw's early teachings:

1799- last days began

1874 - Start of Jesus' invisible presence

1878 - Jesus became King in Heaven

1914 - End of the world


Have a look here also: https://www.nairaland.com/3033798/compilation-1975-end-world-watchtower#44652819

Stop misrepresenting the Bible, all those scriptures doesn't in any way support Trinity.

John 1:1 said in the beginning the word was with God, now ask yourself which beginning?
Does God have a beginning? Colossians 1:15 shows that Jehovah created Jesus and he is the beginning or first born of all things created.
Again ask yourself can someone be with another person and at the same time be that person?

John 10:30 doesn't support Trinity either, it shows that the father and the son are united in purpose. "Unity" not one personality. Jesus said anybody that has seen me has seen the father.
In John 17:21,22 Jesus prayed that his disciples be one just as him and his father are one, he even said that they should be one with him and his father. Question: Are they also part of the Trinity? No, rather they should be united and that's one of the identifying mark of true Christians today.


In John 20:28 If Thomas address Jesus as God there's no objection to that, as a matter of fact 1:8 shows that he is the ONLY begotten God.
However Jesus never claimed to be equal to Jehovah in John 20:17 Jesus said to Mary that he will be ascending to his father and God!

Mattew 1:23 is not supporting Trinity, why?
In Luke 1:32,35 the never didn't say he would be God himself rather he will be great and called son of the MOST high.
While on earth Jesus always address himself as a son God.
Question: in what essence was God with man? Remember Jesus as the only begotten son of God manifest or reflected his father's very well that he could say if you have seen me you have seen the father also.
John 3:16, $ 17:8 shows that through his only begotten son God was with man.
Again in the Bible name Eliathah means God has come, does it mean he is God?

If 1 timothy 3:16 is your idea of Trinity that means you were never a Bible student.
God was manifest in flesh when Jesus walked the earth as a man and represented his father here on earth.
Now look at it he preached even to the Gentile, Question: can anyone see God and live? Absolutely NO.
He was received into glory, who received him? Jehovah his father of course! And was exalted.

Hebrews chapter 1:8 is in harmony with what has been foretold about the son of God. Read Isaiah 9:6,7). He is the king of God's kingdom. It has been established that Jesus is a mighty God, however not equal with Jehovah.

1 John 5:7 doesn't support Trinity as well, why? Jesus himself referred to Jehovah as his God. Now look at the next verse spirit, water and blood are said to be one as well, are they Trinity too?
In my comment I explained what oneness signify, it signify unity. I don't want to talk about how other translations rendered that verse.

For this reasons nothing like Trinity doctrine, it doesn't have foundation in the Bible. Google about the origin of Trinity and see for yourself.

What the Bible teaches is that Jehovah is the father, creator and God of our lord Jesus Christ.
However Jesus is a powerful God but not equal with Jehovah God!
Read this portions to help you more, Mattew 26:39. Jesus prayed to his father.
Mark 13:32, Jehovah knows certain things Jesus doesn't know.
John 14:28 Jesus said father is greater than him.
1 Corinthians 11:3 Jehovah's head of Christ then Christ head of his congregation.
1 Corinthians 15:27,28. Despite being exalted by God Christ still subject to his God and father! There are many others, but read this ones first. If you love truth you'll see the truth in them.

Princewell2012:

Will you shut your mouth up?
Sodom and gomorah was destroy with fire. Did they burn for eternity
Did you actually knows the meaning of destruction?

he doesnt bro
long tyme , how you doing?

johnw74 posts verses for the Word being God

supposed jw, g news said: "Stop misrepresenting the Bible, all those scriptures doesn't in any way support Trinity"

Hey g newsy, have you seen any more Paul Grundy's lately?


see what your god's (satans) spirit does in you, and above

There truth is clear but I know you can't see it, I have done my best. Keep mocking yourself.

^^^

The truth is as clear as mud to supposed jw

I told you to explain those scriptures you couldn't and you are still here. All you could do is talking about JW. na waoo

^^^
More supposed jw lies, the verses are clear and are concerning the Word being God,
and not the trinity as you said.
Everytime you open your mouth, you are so dumb.

goodnews201668:
There truth is clear but I know you can't see it, I have done my best. Keep mocking yourself.

Ha ha, If you think you are a Bible teacher then you have so been deluded.

johnw74:
^^^
More supposed jw lies, the verses are clear and are concerning the Word being God,
and not the trinity as you said.
Everytime you open your mouth, you are so dumb.

Just listen to yourself.

goodnews201668:


Just listen to yourself.

ok i listen to myself again

johnw74:
^^^
More supposed jw lies, the verses are clear and are concerning the Word being God,
and not the trinity as you said.
Everytime you open your mouth, you are so dumb.

yep that true, and supposed jw still cannot admit he was wrong

supposed jw lies many times,
supposed jw shown his lies many times,
supposed jw cannot admit his lies,
supposed jw then falsely accuses the other.

bad supposed jw.

The master sowed good seeds while men were asleep the enemy devil came and plant weeds!

^^^
So true, supposed jw's know who they are.

Not for supposed jw's


Jesus Christ is not Michael, is not an angelic being.


the Bible tells us: God said let us make man in our image

supposed jw would say: God said to "a god" let us make man in our image,
one of the problems with that is an angelic being is created by God and is not created in God's image




Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.



verse 4 Jesus Christ was made so much better than the angels, showing that the two are diffrent class of beings, and that Jesus is not an angel.

verse 5 God asked the questions: to which of the angels have I said you are my Son, and to which of the angels have I said this day I have begotten you, and to which of the angels did I say I will be a father to you and you will be a Son to me.
Obviously by the other verses, He never said those things to any angel.

verse 6 God said: And let all the angels of God worship him. showing again that Jesus Christ and the angels are two diffrent types of beings.

verse 8 God calls His only begotten Son Jesus christ "God"

supposed jw's blaspheme God, and call His Son Jesus Christ, "a god".

For those that care to know the truth!
The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible.
However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons.
By defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?”

But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2 )

Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9 )

(The Bible in this portion clearly indicates that Micheal another name for Jesus is the archangel!)

This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel.
This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.”

(clearly Jesus is the archangel as also indicated here! Jesus Didn't employ another person's voice like someone suggested in one of the previous comments.)

Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7 ) Thus, Michael is the Leader (or chief) of an army of faithful angels.

Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16 ) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7 ) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22 )
Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

^^^
We already know fake jw doesn't believe the Bible:

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Recycler!

^^^
fake jw g news obviously need to have the last say,
with all your ridiculous postings after mine and Paul Grundy's posts in every thread,
so go for it again.

Your paranoia is not getting any better, say hello to your fellow sufferer phony jw mano.