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| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by goodnews201668: 2:22am On Apr 17, 2016 |
Mattew 7:1 |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Nobody: 5:14am On Apr 17, 2016 |
joyandfaith:Good to know |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 6:54am On Apr 17, 2016 |
goodnews201668: These Bible verses which supposed jw said are recycled, are of course true, and the writer of Hebrews testifies that the Father never called an angel His son etc, and the writer also testifies that Father God called His Son "God", and the writer himself testifies that Jesus is not an angel. But supposed jw's don't believe the testimony of the writer of Hebrews, and the so called jw's don't believe the testimony of Father God. Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Father God said of the angels," who made them spirits" but to the Son He said,Thy throne "O God" is for ever and ever. The writer of Hebrewes and Father God show a clear distinction between the angels and the Son in all these verses. supposed jw's change and twist the plain words, and try to make these sentences say something else. supposed jw's don't believe the writer of Hebrews and supposed jw's don't believe Father God. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by goodnews201668: 10:17am On Apr 17, 2016 |
Surely no sane responsible adult talks and behaves this way, not making sense at all. Leaves thread. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 1:25am On Apr 18, 2016 |
goodnews201668: Don't slam the door on the way out. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:43am On Apr 20, 2016 |
1000 cases of child sexual abuse not reported to the police that occurred in Australian JW's circles.? Reported by the Australia Royal commission into institutional sexual child abuse. Shame shame shame.? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175840/Jehovah-s-Witnesses-destroyed-1000-cases-child-sexual-abuse-1950-protect-wives-Royal-Commission-told.html 2 Likes |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 4:08pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
The JW has it way of handling cases of child abuse. Though the GB are considering a better way to handle such cases. The files that were destroyed are not just those of child abuse but also judicial cases that has reached a proper conclusion and the defaulter have repented and five years has elapsed. Most case of child abuse are handle like other case and holds it premises in the Bible 2 Cor 13 vs 1, Deut 19 vs 15 Matt 18 vs 16, Now child abuser are not done in the presence of witnesses, so this makes these cases tricky unless the accuse is willing to confess. JW is doing a great deal to remove the rotten ones among them, they alone remains the only true followers of Jesus christ and his father Jehovah. I don't know the joy you all derive in insulting and attacking them. Well like Jesus said true Christians will be persecuted. 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by paulGrundy(m): 4:44pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
clementy117: So if the abuser refuses to confess to his crime, case closed! The victim is discoaraged from taking the issue to the police! Have you ever seen a molestation case that happens openly? In the presence of witnesses? Its like saying that you need witnesses of two people having sex! Infact two witnesses can conive together with the accuser and falsely accuse someone of molestation! If the watchtower system was effective, it won't have gotten very worse. JW is doing a great deal to remove the rotten ones among them, they alone remains the only true followers of Jesus christ and his father Jehovah. Yeah! And millions of molestation cases keep coming up, and in some cases the identity of a well known molester whom the 2-witness rule has not vindicated is hidden from the congregation. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 4:56pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
johnw74: So what's your point? Jesus was lifted above other heavenly sons of God by God himself,Act 2vs 36, 1Pet 3 vs 22, Though everything was subjected to him, the Almighty God was not among. He was created Col 1vs 15 and 16. He was then used as a master worker to create all things Prov 8 vs 22, 23, 30 n 31. There are occasions where Jesus is call God (isa9vs6, John 1 vs 1, John 20 vs 24-29, , does this means he is the Almighty? No!!!! Those verse clearly supports Jesus' divinity. They are in now way saying he is equal to his father. He himself said it the father is greater than i am John 14vs 28. He refers to his father as his God John 20vs17,. So, concerning John20 vs 24-29, Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in the sense of Jesus’ being “a god” though not the Almighty God, not “the only true God,” to whom Thomas had often heard Jesus pray. ( John 17 vs 3 ). So the above quoted verses are not contradictory but support JW teachings. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 4:59pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
Attacking JW only fulfills the scripture.... 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 5:03pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
paulGrundy: Paul you left the truth all i will say to u is Return to Jehovah. JW AND GB are not perfect and you and I knows there are no other organization out there trying to follow the Bible as they do. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by joyandfaith: 11:14pm On Apr 20, 2016 |
clementy117:gbam! 2 Likes |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:32am On Apr 21, 2016 |
clementy117: Nonsense and more lies from phony jw the below verses I quoted don't support phony jw teachings the below verses show Jesus is not an angel the below verses show Father God called Jesus God phony jw lies all over the place changing God's inspired word to suit their demonic doctrines Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:33am On Apr 21, 2016 |
clementy117: What rot changing the Bible is not following it. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 12:38am On Apr 21, 2016 |
johnw74: You don't understand the Bible... You couldn't refute my point or the Bible verses I cited. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:40am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Supposed jw's early teachings: 1799- last days began 1874 - Start of Jesus' invisible presence 1878 - Jesus became King in Heaven 1914 - End of the world Have a look here also: https://www.nairaland.com/3033798/compilation-1975-end-world-watchtower#44652819 |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by clementy117(m): 12:43am On Apr 21, 2016 |
johnw74: I followed this thread because i taught there will be some objectivity, but all the is here is apathy, bigotry and apostasy. AM OUT. HINT: if you want to take JW to your doom side you have to be more subtler and know the scriptures and not just copy and paste things. I joined the jw not because they are perfect but because the sincerely want to learn about God and live properly. When i meet guys like you and other apostate am convinced i made a good choice. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:49am On Apr 21, 2016 |
clementy117: phony jw cannot help but lie. 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 12:50am On Apr 21, 2016 |
clementy117: don't slam the door on your way out 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 1:02am On Apr 21, 2016 |
clementy117: he didn't join phony jw because they were perfect he joined phony jw because their founder was corrupt he joined phony jw because their prophecies were fake he joined phony jw because they corrupt the bible etc etc etc duh  |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 1:30am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Supposed jw's early teachings: 1799- last days began 1874 - Start of Jesus' invisible presence 1878 - Jesus became King in Heaven 1914 - End of the world Have a look here also: https://www.nairaland.com/3033798/compilation-1975-end-world-watchtower#44652819 |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by joyandfaith: 6:36am On Apr 21, 2016 |
1. True Christianity must line up with the Bible, the word of God. True Christianity pronounces Jesus Christ to be the son of God and believes that He is the only way to salvation and forgiveness. 2. True Christianity will be rejected by the vast majority. This has always been the case throughout history. In Noah's time only 8 people were saved in the whole world. In Lot's time only Lot and his family were saved in two cities. The Bible says that our time will be similar to Noah and Lot's time so it is very likely that the percentage of people saved could be similar. 3. True Christianity will be considered radical by most people. Jesus, the apostles and the prophets were considered radical. The Bible says that Christians are a peculiar people. 4. True Christianity will boldly rebuke and hate evil to such a large extent that those who preach the truth will greatly upset those who are evil. Those who preach truth will suffer persecution as a result. 5. True Christianity will be controversial and cause divisions (Luke 12: 51,52). To cause these divisions major change would have to occur in someone's life which would upset others. 6. True Christianity will testify that almost everything that almost everyone does is evil. 7. True Christianity will be about true love, which is sharing and caring for others, where the main focus is to proclaim or aid the proclamation of the Gospel. 8. True Christianity will not be conformed to the world by accepting or desiring materialism, money and commercialism as a good thing or a part of life. 9. True Christianity will not be able to be proved wrong, although people may appear to make it sound untrue by arguing against it by using false statements. 10. True Christianity will not be deceptive or misleading or cause people to believe a lie. It will be about honesty and truth. People today are saying misleading things such as that the church is fine. They say that people are getting healed everywhere and saying that they are healed when they are not. This could be compared to a dishonest salesman who says something is great when it does not work in order to get people to accept their product or system. 11. True Christianity is positive about good things and doing God's will, but it hates evil. It is not like the mainstream that is positive about many evil things. Saying that something evil is good is only leading people to do evil. Many people say that things are fine and that many people are being saved and doing God's will when this is not true. This is only suppressing the fact that the world is almost totally evil and causing people not to repent. 12. True Christianity has the fruits of commitment to doing God's will and it will follow the historical example of those who did God's will such as Jesus, the Apostles and the Prophets. Using your time and money to do God's will is the purpose of life. The majority don't do God's will by working for the corrupt system or spending their money and time on unnecessary things. Where does this leave the mainstream Church and the millions of people who think they are Christians. Although the mainstream churches have a lot of true Bible teaching, it appears that they probably will not fit into the category of the minority of saved believers. Therefore, they may be rejected and considered lukewarm if they don't repent. The Bible promises that God will help His chosen people who obey Him by answering their prayers and leading them. However, curses are promised to people that disobey God. (Duet 28). Obedient people should therefore receive a greater percentage of desirable outcomes and a lower percentage of undesirable outcomes than the ungodly. God should help His people to think or work more efficiently, remember better, make the correct decisions, and find what they need with less frustrating problems, inconveniences or accidents than unbelievers. Please let me know if you know of anyone who can produce the evidence that they are obviously led and helped by God so that the result cannot be explained by imagination and the laws of probability. I know that the Bible promises trials and persecution, but it indicates that there should be divine help as well, as explained at truechristianity.com . 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 7:36am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit, of course the answer is no. Charles Taze Russell began gathering his followers after he founded the watchtower bible and tract society, that the so called jehovahs witnesses get their beliefs from Unlike so many other false teachers before and after him, Russell did not rely upon visions or other extra-biblical revelation. Rather, he simply interpreted, and misinterpreted, the Bible. While claiming to be a Christian http://www.challies.com/articles/the-false-teachers-charles-taze-russell 1000 cases of child sexual abuse not reported to the police that occurred in Australian JW's circles.? Reported by the Australia Royal commission into institutional sexual child abuse. Shame shame shame.? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175840/Jehovah-s-Witnesses-destroyed-1000-cases-child-sexual-abuse-1950-protect-wives-Royal-Commission-told.html supposed jw have given very many false prophecies they have changed what the Bible says, and so much more, so it can be seen by just those few things that phony jw is corrupt Christians believe Jesus when He said "a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit" Mat_7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Yes that is speaking of much of christendom, and is certinally speaking of fake jw. Look here and find out more about the evils of fake jw's: www.jwfacts.com and here: https://carm.org type jehovahs witnesses in their search box the internet if full off info. on the evils of fake jw. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by joyandfaith: 7:47am On Apr 21, 2016 |
Churches were a site of mass killings during the Rwandan genocide. In previous bouts of ethnic violence, no one had killed in a church, but 1994 was different. Our first church visit was to Ntarama, where 5,000 Tutsi were slaughtered. The pews were stacked with clothes. Every pew. In the back were rows and rows and rows of human skulls, stacked on white washed shelves. As our guide, himself a Tutsi survivor, led us towards the altar, he showed us the weapons typically used by the interhamwe, the Hutu militias who perpetrated the genocide. The machetes and clubs with nails still had the blood of victims caked on their rusty blades. Victims’ belongings – watches, notebooks, identity cards - were stacked on the shelves. In front of the alter was a fresh casket, not more than a week old, draped in a clean, white lace covering with a large purple cross at its center. Our guide informed us that even today, 17 years later, people continue to find remains of victims who spent their last days hiding in bushes and swamps. We then went into a classroom, just outside the main chapel. To make sure there were no survivors, the interhamwe lit mattresses on fire and laid them on the victims so that they were burned alive. There were still pieces of cloth stuck to mattress remains. The last building was by far the hardest. The Tutsi men were fighting in the hills trying to fend off the Hutu militias, so they were largely not present. Women and children were targets of génocidaires aiming to eliminate the next generation of Tutsis. The guide informed us that babies were slammed against the wall until dead. One of the brick walls still had blood and even some hair. My stomach lurched as I considered the inhumanity necessary to feel nothing as you felt the impact of a baby’s skull to a brick wall, as you felt the child’s blood dribble down your forearm, as you heard the chilling silence of an aborted cry. He then showed us a stick used to torture women by shoving it inside them until they died. Its pointy tip was still caked with blood. Even looking at the stick sent a surge of sharp pain throughout my body. We then visited Nyamata, a nearby church where 10,000 people sought refuge then were systematically murdered. The gates had a gaping hole where four bars should have been. The interhamwe had blasted their way in using grenades supplied by the French. The debris had pierced holes in the ceiling and a crater in the ground. We walked in and, again, stacks and stacks and stacks of clothing littered the pews and floor. Above it all was a statue of the Mother Mary, similar to the statue in my host family’s church, with her arms outstretched. We were then led downstairs into an entirely white chamber. Hundreds of human skulls and leg bones were in cases. The name “Pauline” was engraved across the forehead of a skull, on a shelf above the rest. You could tell how people were killed looking at their skulls, many of which were violated by machete marks, club bludgeons, and bullet holes. Beneath the bones was a woman’s coffin. She was raped by 20 men then killed by the aforementioned sharp, six-foot stick being shoved inside her. I found myself involuntarily begging him to stop his horrific story and saw my world go black. I have never felt that degree of empathy before; the type where I could feel the physical pain shooting through my own body. But he did not stop his story. I pushed past the others and ran up the stairs. I felt like my brain was being suffocated by a plastic bag. I was crying hysterically and could not think, see, or breathe.\ The woman tending to the garden then she did something that I will never forget. She wiped my tears. I later discovered that she was a survivor of the attack. I felt so guilty and embarrassed to be crying when she had endured the torture. In a few minutes, I collected myself and rejoined the group. We again descended into what was this time a mass grave. But now, there was no glass or distance between us and the skulls. Rows and rows and rows of caskets, skulls, and leg bones lined either side of us along the dank tunnel. I have read of the smell of death but did not really know what that meant until then. It was a dark, musky smell that filled my lungs. I could taste it. I recoiled as my elbow brushed a bone or lace on a coffin. It was something that I cannot unsee…cannot unsmell…cannot unfeel. The 1994 genocide was by no means a religious conflict. Rwanda is a homogeneous culture – all Rwandans share the common language of Kinyarwanda, and 90% of Rwandans are Christian. To quote Catherine Newbury, the genocide was a political phenomenon with class conflict overtones that used ethnicity as the language through which fears and ambitions were expressed. So my question remains: how can the churches of today’s Rwanda be full every Saturday and Sunday with a community of believers? How can the culture of forgiveness and reverence retain its stronghold over the people of this nation who were governed by the devil for 100 days? The Church institutionalized and politicized ethnicity in the colonial era, and churches themselves became a site of mass slaughter in 1994. Mary’s outstretched arms could not save a baby from being slammed to death against a brick wall. The Holy Spirit did not inspire a single one of the twenty men to show mercy on the woman whom he violently raped. And God turned his back as 800,000 corpses littered the floor of His home. http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/letters/the-catholic-church-bears-guilt-for-the-horrors-of-the-rwandan-genocide 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by joyandfaith: 7:55am On Apr 21, 2016 |
A Story Of Love The 1994 genocide of Rwanda will forever scar human history . It engulfed the entire nation . It ' s one of the most gruesome civil wars of all time . Over eight hundred thousand people were slaughtered . It ' s hard to believe that even among all that horror and chaos there were those who would be willing to show true Christian love even if it meant making the ultimate sacrifice . Here are some touching stories that truly exemplify this - “During the genocide of Tutsi and Hutu living in Rwanda, there were Hutu who risked their lives to protect Tutsi and Tutsi who protected Hutu . Some were killed by extremists for protecting their fellow believers. For example , a Hutu Jehovah 's Witness named Gahizi was killed after hiding a Tutsi sister named Chantal . Chantal ’ s Tutsi husband , Jean , was hidden in another location by a Hutu sister named Charlotte. For 40 days Jean and another Tutsi Witness brother remained hidden in a large chimney , only coming out for brief periods during the night . All this time, Charlotte provided them with food and protection, although living close to a Hutu army camp. Another Hutu Witness , Rwakabubu, was praised by the newspaper Intaremara for protecting Tutsi fellow believers . It stated: “There is also Rwakabubu, one of Jehovah’ s Witnesses , who continued to hide people here and there among his brothers ( that ’ s how fellow believers call one another) . He used to spend the whole day long carrying food and drinking water for them though he is an asthmatic . But God made him extraordinarily strong. ” Consider , too , an interested Hutu couple named Nicodeme and Athanasie. Before the outbreak of genocide , this married couple had been studying the Bible with a Tutsi Witness named Alphonse . At the risk of their lives, they hid Alphonse in their home . Later they realized that the house was not a safe place because their Hutu neighbors knew about their Tutsi friend . Therefore, Nicodeme and Athanasie hid Alphonse in a hole in their yard . This was a good move because the neighbors began to come searching for Alphonse almost every day. While lying in this hole for 28 days , Alphonse meditated on Bible accounts such as the one about Rahab , who hid two Israelites on the roof of her house in Jericho. ( Joshua 6: 17) Today Alphonse continues his service in Rwanda as a preacher of the good news, thankful that his Hutu Bible students risked their lives for him . And what about Nicodeme and Athanasie? They are now baptized Witnesses of Jehovah and conduct over 20 Bible studies with interested persons. ” - “Sharing the Comfort That Jehovah Provides ” I Am Christian http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-Christian/2531238 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by johnw74: 10:29am On Apr 21, 2016 |
^^^ Jesus was not talking of works that even self righteous and evil people do He was talking about the works of God Jesus started by warning against false prophets, such as the supposed jw's Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. verse 15 is Jesus describing phony jw to a T. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Ken4Christ: 1:01pm On Apr 21, 2016 |
Please can a Jehovah witness answer these questions, 1. Tell us what it means to be born again? 2. I also want to know it you believe in divine healing. 3. Do the Jehovah witness speak in tongues? 4. Do you Jehovah witnesses cast out demons? 5. Do you believe Jesus is coming to take the faithful Saints to heaven? In other words, do you believe in the rapture of the Church? 6. Do you also believe Jesus is coming back visibly to establish his Kingdom on earth and rule for 1,000 years before the final judgment. 7. Do you believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Please be straight to the point and don't deviate from the question. These are important question concerning the Christian faith. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Babayoutoomuch(f): 9:35am On Apr 22, 2016 |
Thank you @Ken4Christ and others who have taken time to write out the EVIL doctrines of JW. One thing with them is that they are filled with the spirit of argument, they are not OPEN MINDED to learn from others what the scripture says about Salvation, Christ deity, heaven and hell amongst others.In fact in every of their 100 word you will only hear JESUS may be once or twice every word is Jehovah, relegating JESUS to the background who is actually the whole essence of our salvation Christianity, they just mention HIM in passing as if its not that important. I agree with you all that they are not CHRISTians. Based on these, I don't listen to them,I don't welcome them but I pray for them because Jesus died for them too. 1Tim 6:20 States that 20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the pointless discussions and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge. 2Tim 3:7-9 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 1 Like |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Babayoutoomuch(f): 10:07am On Apr 22, 2016 |
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| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Babayoutoomuch(f): 10:28am On Apr 22, 2016 |
[quote author=goodnews201668 post=44747503] For those that care to know the truth! The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael? At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2 ) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion. Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9 ) (The Bible in this portion clearly indicates that Micheal another name for Jesus is the archangel!) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” (clearly Jesus is the archangel as also indicated here! Jesus Didn't employ another person's voice like someone suggested in one of the previous comments.) Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael. Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7 ) Thus, Michael is the Leader (or chief) of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16 ) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7 ) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22 ) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.[/quote Ah!!! Error, Fallacy, Blasphemy, Doctrine from hell, heresy! I just hope you will sinrerey digest the post of johnw24 above on the book of Hebrew. Its really a waste of precious time arguing with Jw. But just for the sake of Innocent souls reading this trend. |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Babayoutoomuch(f): 10:57am On Apr 22, 2016 |
Ken4Christ: Oh ooo. Still waiting for answers from Jw. They can't give you a "Yes" or "No" answer. You know why? Their belief is based on logic and philosophy of men. Some years ago I asked a Jw whom I granted audience as a newly born again Christian then concerning Heb 12:14 which States "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Then I asked if you said no heaven for me except d 144 people how come the bible says I shld live holy so that I can See the Lord. He responded by telling me that there are various ways we can see people without necessary meeting them in person eg through telephone, letters etc.That, that also applies to God in that verse. I became so confused as a young convert then,it took the efforts of my house fellowship leader to bring me back to track. Since then Col 2:8 is my watchword "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ". |
| Re: Are Jehovah Witnesses Chrtistians? by Jozzy4: 11:13am On Apr 22, 2016 |
[quote author=Babayoutoomuch post=44934434][/quote] johnw24 is a fake man , a troll everybody knows. the way most people understand Heb 1:5 is wrong, if we take that verse with ur understanding it also means , God has never call an angel his son ? do u belive that? ° meanwhile, can you show me one single verse that said Satan is an angel ? prove it if u can without u resorting to derive analogy which u called blasphemy. |
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