Nairalanders have seen the ridiculously unsuccessful attempts by the aforementioned to discredit the bible and creationism. Over and over their delusive IGNORANCE has been repeatedly revealed on this forum. It is however time to put their beliefs under the same microscopic analysis.

This thread now invites Toneyb, Mazaje and Tudor to freely come and ejaculate their ignorance.
They are to . . .

a. produce an alternative to creationism. If God did not create everything. .  .how EXACTLY did all things come into existence.

b. If the bible is the work of deluded and barbaric men. . . .what EXACTLY is the alternative?

c. what is the rationality of their beliefs (atheism) ? where is ur scientific evidence that suggests that God does not Exist?

For once in ur nairaland lives. . . . .come here and talk sense. "I dont know" is not allowed

Neotic, Neotic, Neotic,

noetic2:

a. produce an alternative to creationism. If God did not create everything. . .how EXACTLY did all things come into existence.

If God did create everything why did he forget to create the dinosaurs[quote][/quote]

noetic2:

Nairalanders have seen the ridiculously unsuccessful attempts by the aforementioned to discredit the bible and creationism.

This is a bloody lie and you know it!
Your bible and creationism have been repeatedly shown to lack basis and truth.
You only make the same claims that ever Tom , d.ick, and Harry attributes to their own gods without any sensible and substantial evidence to prove YOUR own god did it.
So stop lying!

Each time we debunk your bogus claims y'all open threads crying like babies that atheists have hijacked nairaland.

Over and over their delusive IGNORANCE has been repeatedly revealed on this forum. It is however time to put their beliefs under the same microscopic analysis.

Delusive ignorance?
Are you kidding me?!?
Have you looked in a mirror lately?

This thread now invites Toneyb, Mazaje and Tudor to freely come and ejaculate their ignorance.
They are to . . .

a. produce an alternative to creationism. If God did not create everything. .  .how EXACTLY did all things come into existence.

Which God are you talking about?
There are millions of gods on this planet, even in africa alone millions of them exist.

b. If the bible is the work of deluded and barbaric men. . . .what EXACTLY is the alternative?

Alternative as in what?
What EXACTLY is the function of the bible?

To me it's just a fictional BOOK written by deluded liars and nothing more.
If your looking for alternative literature, "Mills and Boon" or the book "I AM A DELUDED CHRISTIAN" should do fine.

c. what is the rationality of their beliefs (atheism) ? where is ur scientific evidence that suggests that God does not Exist?

The rationalism behind atheism is quite simple. . . . And that is DISBELIEF IN GOD DUE TO THE INABILITY OF RELIGIONISTS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR THEIR GOD. It's simply refusing to believe by "faith" but by asking for testable or verifiable evidence- of which you christian apologists are morbidly deficient.



There I was on my own in my mother's womb minding my own business for nine months.
As soon as am born Tits are stuck in my mouth as well as every religious crap available. I was born WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OR BELIEF in any GOD whatsoever and was fed the jesus bullshit because my brain was no better and reasoning and analytical faculties were undeveloped. If babies were born with the brain and intelligence of adults don't you think that without any prior knowledge of god the first thing they ask you when the pastor comes with the religious banter is, where is the evidence?
Only a daft and foolish pastor would ask the kid to provide evidence for the god he or she doesn't even know in the first place. Or to provide an alternative when the little dude is just coming into the world and knows nothing.The blatant deficiency in evidence to prove the existence of yahweh is reason  enough to disbelieve.

I have simply reverted to status anté i.e the same exact way I was born, if you gonna feed me with shit be kind enough to provide evidence.
Unlike you noetic if no existing theory or hypothesis can be backed by undenible evidence as to the origin of our world i'm quite happy to sail through my journey on earth not knowing instead of believing by tactless "faith" which is just pure DELUSION.

You have this crazy and to be quite honest pitiful misconception that everyone must choose where to belong amongst the numerous "alternatives". . .didn't you do MCQ's in high school where option E is 'none of the above is correct'
If option A-D cannot be proven or substantiated then option E is the obvious answer.
And to me personally i choose option E, AKA Atheism.

For once in ur nairaland lives. . . . .come here and talk sense. "I dont know" is not allowed

He Who knows not and does not know that he knows not is a DELUDED CHRISTIAN.

manmustwac:

If God did create everything why did he forget to create the dinosaurs

is there any reason to believe that God did not create dinosaurs?

noetic2:

is there any reason to believe that God did not create dinosaurs?

well i don't remember hearing anything about them in the bible

Tudór:

This is a bloody lie and you know it!
Your bible and creationism have been repeatedly shown to lack basis and truth.
You only make the same claims that ever Tom , d.ick, and Harry attributes to their own gods without any sensible and substantial evidence to prove YOUR own god did it.
So stop lying!

Each time we debunk your bogus claims y'all open threads crying like babies that atheists have hijacked nairaland.

will u stop disgracing urself?

when have I ever complained about ur never meaningful posts? when?   when have u EVER debunked any christian claim?
stop ranting unnecessarily. . .  .do the debunking here?

Delusive ignorance?
Are you kidding me?!?
Have you looked in a mirror lately?
Which God are you talking about?
There are millions of gods on this planet, even in africa alone millions of them exist.

please be focused.

What EXACTLY is the alternative? how EXACTLY did we all come into existence? how was the universe designed? by who? when?

Alternative as in what?
What EXACTLY is the function of the bible?

To me it's just a fictional BOOK written by deluded liars and nothing more.
If your looking for alternative literature,  "Mills and Boon" or the book "I AM A DELUDED CHRISTIAN" should do fine.

u never cease to amaze me with ur RIDICULOUS RANTS.

where is ur evidence to disprove the bible? what is ur alternative? on what premise and basis is after-life?
a. where is ur evidence that suggests that bible writers are liars and deluded?
b. why is reasoning such a very big deal to u?

The rationalism behind atheism is quite simple. . . . And that is DISBELIEF IN GOD DUE TO THE INABILITY OF RELIGIONISTS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR THEIR GOD. It's simply refusing to believe by "faith" but by asking for testable or verifiable evidence- of which you christian apologists are morbidly deficient.



There I was on my own in my mother's womb minding my own business for nine months.
As soon as am born Tits are stuck in my mouth as well as every religious crap available. I was born WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OR BELIEF in any GOD whatsoever and was fed the jesus bullshit because my brain was no better and reasoning and analytical faculties were undeveloped. If babies were born with the brain and intelligence of adults don't you think that without any prior knowledge of god the first thing they ask you when the pastor comes with the religious banter is, where is the evidence?
Only a daft and foolish pastor would ask the kid to provide evidence for the god he or she doesn't even know in the first place. Or to provide an alternative when the little dude is just coming into the world and knows nothing.The blatant deficiency in evidence to prove the existence of yahweh is reason  enough to disbelieve.

I have simply reverted to status anté i.e the same exact way I was born, if you gonna feed me with shit be kind enough to provide evidence.
Unlike you noetic if no existing theory or hypothesis can be backed by undenible evidence as to the origin of our world i'm quite happy to sail through my journey on earth not knowing instead of believing by tactless "faith" which is just pure DELUSION.

You have this crazy and to be quite honest pitiful misconception that everyone must choose where to belong amongst the numerous "alternatives". . .didn't you do MCQ's in high school where option E is 'none of the above is correct'
If option A-D cannot be proven or substantiated then option E is the obvious answer.
And to me personally i choose option E, AKA Atheism.

What an embarrassment. . .  ,  what EXACTLY is the intended purpose of the ridiculous story above?  

a. where is ur scientific evidence to prove the non-existence of God?

b. where is ur intellectual evidence to prove the non-existence of God?

c. what is the rationality of a belief/disbelief system that equally relies on faith to  make sense? whats the basis of atheism?

d. Dont u consider urself ignorantly deluded? are u not disturbed by ur moral debauchery and inability to intellectually proclaim and analyse ur atheistic beliefs?

e. Tell me why EXACTLY anyone should be an atheist?

f. Is atheism justifiable in lieu of the inherent crimes and moral debauchery  easily linked to atheism? is atheism justifiable considering that u cannot scentifically, intellectually or logical make any meaningful claims to buttress ur beliefs?

h. How would u explain the atheistic concept to an educated, rational and intelligent person?

i. How do u feel being so deluded and misinformed?

He Who knows not and does not know that he knows not is a DELUDED CHRISTIAN.

he who lives in denial, ignorance, delusion, undiluted hypocrisy, naivety, illiteracy and still has the effrontery to call himself a free thinker but knows not is a DELUDED ATHEIST.

manmustwac:

well i don't remember hearing anything about them in the bible

when was the last time u read the book of genesis chapter 1?

noetic2:

when was the last time u read the book of genesis chapter 1?

 ok noetic in the bible genesis 1 chapter 1 it says god created blah blah blah blah but it dosen't give an accurate timeline it dosen't say wether god created the world 2000 years ago 10'000 years ago 250 millionyears ago or 4 billion years ago.

manmustwac:

 ok noetic in the bible genesis 1 chapter 1 it says god created blah blah blah blah but it dosen't give an accurate timeline it dosen't say wether god created the world 2000 years ago 10'000 years ago 250 millionyears ago or 4 billion years ago.

and ur point is?. . . . . . .

back to dinosaurs. . . . what is ur biological or general classification of dinosaurs?
are they birds, reptiles, animals, crawling objects, flying objects, humans or what?

Abeg i no wan drag the issue with you. Have a nice day.

noetic2:



will u stop disgracing urself?

when have I ever complained about ur never meaningful posts? when?   when have u EVER debunked any christian claim?
stop ranting unnecessarily. . .  .do the debunking here?

As usual you barge in lying for jesus.

please be focused.

What EXACTLY is the alternative? how EXACTLY did we all come into existence? how was the universe designed? by who? when?

How the hell should i know? Was i alive when the universe came into existence? One thing i do know is the christian god didn't do it

u never cease to amaze me with ur RIDICULOUS RANTS.

mirror mirror

where is ur evidence to disprove the bible? what is ur alternative?

What is the bible?

on what premise and basis is after-life?

What the hell is an after-life?

a. where is ur evidence that suggests that bible writers are liars and deluded?

Only a liar says he made the moon stand still or walk on water and it's even a deluded man who commits murder and genocide in the name of an imaginary god.

What an embarrassment. . .  ,

Get yourself a tissue. . . . 

what EXACTLY is the intended purpose of the ridiculous story above?  

Duh, to pull you out of your ignorance ofcourse. . . .

a. where is ur scientific evidence to prove the non-existence of God?

There's no evidence to prove god exists. . . .is there?

b. where is ur intellectual evidence to prove the non-existence of God?

intellectual evidence?. . . .howbout anything that hasn't been proven to exist is non-existent, okay for ya?

c. what is the rationality of a belief/disbelief system that equally relies on faith to  make sense?

faith in what?

whats the basis of atheism?

Can't you read? I already answered this question.

d. Dont u consider urself ignorantly deluded? are u not disturbed by ur moral debauchery and inability to intellectually proclaim and analyse ur atheistic beliefs?

Nope!

e. Tell me why EXACTLY anyone should be an atheist?

Errr because there's no proof for the existence of god?

f. Is atheism justifiable in lieu of the inherent crimes and moral debauchery  easily linked to atheism? is atheism justifiable considering that u cannot scentifically, intellectually or logical make any meaningful claims to buttress ur beliefs?

Your kidding right?

I'm a saint when my lifestyle is compared with god's generals like moses, abraham, david and solomon.

h. How would u explain the atheistic concept to an educated, rational and intelligent person?

Simple. Don't believe in god till they prove it to you. can you prove the existence of god noetic?

i. How do u feel being so deluded and misinformed?

Well i guess i feel Like a christian.

he who lives in denial, ignorance, delusion, undiluted hypocrisy, naivety, illiteracy and still has the effrontery to call himself a free thinker but knows not is a DELUDED ATHEIST.

The highlighted above should be renamed fruits of the spirit. Coz quite honestly, they are the hallmark qualities of a christian. And YOU STINK OF ALL OF THEM.

Hope you're watching the community shield. . .enjoy the game!

manmustwac:

Abeg i no wan drag the issue with you. Have a nice day.

ooops u could have said it better. . . .how about. . . . .

Thank you Noetic for revealing my IGNORANCE

Tudór:

As usual you barge in lying for jesus.

How the hell should i know? Was i alive when the universe came into existence? One thing i do know is the christian god didn't do it
mirror mirrorWhat is the bible?
What the hell is an after-life?
Only a liar says he made the moon stand still or walk on water and it's even a deluded man who commits murder and genocide in the name of an imaginary god.Get yourself a tissue. . . . 
Duh, to pull you out of your ignorance ofcourse. . . .
There's no evidence to prove god exists. . . .is there?

intellectual evidence?. . . .howbout anything that hasn't been proven to exist is non-existent, okay for ya?
faith in what?
Can't you read? I already answered this question. are u not disturbed by ur moral debauchery and inability to intellectually proclaim and analyse ur atheistic beliefs?
Errr because there's no proof for the existence of god? Your kidding right?

I'm a saint when my lifestyle is compared with god's generals like moses, abraham, david and solomon.
Simple. Don't believe in god till they prove it to ya.

Well i guess i feel like a Like a christian. :DThe highlighted above should be renamed fruits of the spirit. Coz quite honestly, they are the hallmark qualities of a christian.

Hope you're watching the community shield. . .enjoy the game!

Can anyone figure out what this dude is saying?

noetic2:

Can anyone figure out what this dude is saying? 

oooops you could have said it better. . . .how about. . . . .
Thank you TUDOR for exposing my IGNORANCE

Tudór:

oooops you could have said it better. . . .how about. . . . .
Thank you TUDOR for exposing my IGNORANCE

ooops u could have replied better. . .how about. . . .

my IGNORANCE is very embarrassing as you can see. . . .can u please help me Noetic. . . , .

noetic2:



ooops u could have replied better. . .how about. . . .

my IGNORANCE is very embarrassing as you can see. . . .can u please help me NoeticTudor. . . ,  .

Oh my! I'm touched * * * . . .i thought you'd never ask. . . .
Come here you dum dum. . . . *arms wide open*

Tudór:

Oh my! I'm touched * * * . . .i thought you'd never ask. . . .
Come here you dum dum. . . . *arms wide open*

u never cease to disgrace urself

noetic2:

  u never cease to disgrace urself 

Bla bla bla

@noetic2

stop wasting your time = some are a lost cause

The scriptures clearly says " I called you u before the foundations of the earth"

The scriptures clearly says " I called you u before the foundations of the earth"
This is good news for the called but bad news for the cursed like us - cursed before the foundation of the world.

CowMeat:

The scriptures clearly says " I called you u before the foundations of the earth"
This is good news for the called but bad news for the cursed like us - cursed before the foundation of the world.

Well it is a path you have voluntary chosen although it might not be to late.

There is no freewill in the Bible. Simple logic:

1.) If The Christians were chosen from the foundation of the world, it implies that the cursed were also set so from the foundation of the world QED. NO FREE WILL EXCUSE PLEASE.

blacksta:

@noetic2

stop wasting your time = some are a lost cause

The scriptures clearly says " I called you u before the foundations of the earth"

cool.

so what makes you sure the creation story of the bible is right. What about the hindu or oduduwa one?

CowMeat:

There is no freewill in the Bible. Simple logic:

1.) If The Christians were chosen from the foundation of the world, it implies that the cursed were also set so from the foundation of the world QED. NO FREE WILL EXCUSE PLEASE.

why is this guy so gungho about "freewill"? Does it trouble your soul?

why is this guy so gungho about "freewill"? Does it trouble your soul?
i am detailed about free will to disprove abnormal "christian" heretics like yourself that free will (which is used as escape by such lunatics) does not exist. I have just been told:

"Well it is a path you have voluntary chosen although it might not be to late."

That is not true because the son of perdition in the Bible was predestined to be so. NO CHOICE. READ YOUR BIBLE.

CowMeat:

why is this guy so gungho about "freewill"? Does it trouble your soul?
i am detailed about free will to disprove abnormal "christian" heretics like yourself that free will (which is used as escape by such lunatics) does not exist. I have just been told:

why are you interested in disproving freewill? Is there an ulterior motive you're not telling us?

there are no ulterior motives - i wont be posting questions here if I knew the answers - I am posting here to engage in useful conversation. I do not want to derail this thread so I will transfer discussion to mazaje''s thread. why should we waste our time in sesnseless talk. my motive is to try and explain if God already knew the good christians, bad christians (saved & called but fell away) and the unsaved. this will help me with my personal doctrinal statements.

CowMeat:

there are no ulterior motives - i wont be posting questions here if I knew the answers - I am posting here to engage in useful conversation. I do not want to derail this thread so I will transfer discussion to mazaje''s thread. why should we waste our time in sesnseless talk. my motive is to try and explain if God already knew the good christians, bad christians (saved & called but fell away) and the unsaved. this will help me with my personal doctrinal statements.

Exactly what i suspected.

noetic2:


What EXACTLY is the alternative?

Lies do not need an alternative. . . . 

how EXACTLY did we all come into existence?

We were all born by our parents through one way or the other. . . . The question you should provide answers for is how your own god came about. . . . who created him? If you claim that your god is uncaused caused and uncreated then uncaused  and uncreated existence is very very possible. Then why can't the universe itself be uncaused and uncreated? There's no reason to add the additional step of postulating a god as the source of the origin of the universe because some people said so without providing ANY evidence for such a god in the first place.

how was the universe designed? by who? when?

There is no reason to believe that the universe must behave like a human socity where everything "created" requires a creator. . .our solar system is just like a grain on sand on a beach when compared to the size of the universe. . . we know very lvery little about the universe as of now. . . .No body knows exactly how the universe came about. . . we have postulations from all sides but the truth is that NO one knows how the universe came about. . . . just because the lying bible writers said a warrior god that accepts human sacrifice created the universe out of nothing in seven days it does NOT make it true. . . .allah and all the other gods around also created the universe too. . . . .even if we assume that the universe had a first cause you haven't begun to show or provide any evidence at all to show that it is the "god of the bible" that is the first cause you simply asserted it. Moslems, hindus, african traditional religion, buddist etc all make the same assertion. . . .The question is Where is your evidence to show that the bible god actually created the universe? Pointing to the writings of men who thought and lied the stars will fall into the earth someday or men who lie that sun moves around the earth is no evidence at all

noetic2:

b. If the bible is the work of deluded and barbaric men. . . .what EXACTLY is the alternative?

The bible is exactly what it is the writings, ideas, fantasies thoughts and wishes of ancient men.  . . . .All I know about the bible is backed up by actual facts, not some subjective claim of magic. . . . .   The bible is like any book other book the only differennce is that it contains the word god as its central figure. The book indeed can be interpreted any way one sees fit if you can claim a magical way.

If the bible is from some omnipotent being then there is no reason it shouldn’t be able to make a book good for all generations to adhere to without the god having to change himself as the reasoning and life style of the people changes. . . . .   What we have is a in the bible is a book which is mostly  a compilation of stories by xenophobic, war mongers and agrarians, and then later by more cosmopolitan people but  still by people all around all using words that mean certain things that people now insist aren’t what god “really meant” and people who cherry pick whatever they want to believe in and discard what they don't want to believe in.

The bible is a book about a central figure called god which can be used or interpreted purely based on the personal interpretation of the reader and the image of the god he/she has in her mind. . . Most Christians claims the "holy spirit" tells them what  the god of the bible "really meant" but the problem is they each have different answers. Same with everyone else and there is no way to tell who has the right message since the god they are always talking about and speaking on his belahf doesnt' ever seem interested in telling everyone who is right and who is wrong, only each person claiming that they and only they have it right. Most dont even agree on the basic nature of the god they are talking about and they all use the bible.

So the bible is just a collection of stories about life from a very skwed perspective written by people, complied by people and used by people to present a case for their personal god based on their personal interpretation of the bible and what they feels it says. . . . .The bible is just a book written by humans who want people to believe their opinions about life and who also want people to live their lives based on their own opinion and the opinions of people that lived before them but using a god figure to put every body that agrees with their personal opinion in line. . . .

mazaje:

Lies do not need an alternative. . . . 

a. what are lies?

b. how do u detect a lie? what constitutes a lie?

c. whats the link between the bible and lies?

We were all born by our parents through one way or the other. . . . The question you should provide answers for is how your own god came about. . . . who created him? If you claim that your god is uncaused caused and uncreated then uncaused  and uncreated existence is very very possible. Then why can't the universe itself be uncaused and uncreated? There's no reason to add the additional step of postulating a god as the source of the origin of the universe because some people said so without providing ANY evidence for such a god in the first place.

So u agree that we were born and did not Evolve.

a. How exactly did the pioneer parents come into existence?

There is no reason to believe that the universe must behave like a human socity where everything "created" requires a creator. . .our solar system is just like a grain on sand on a beach when compared to the size of the universe. . . we know very lvery little about the universe as of now. . . .No body knows exactly how the universe came about. . . we have postulations from all sides but the truth is that NO one knows how the universe came about. . . . just because the lying bible writers said a warrior god that accepts human sacrifice created the universe out of nothing in seven days it does NOT make it true. . . .allah and all the other gods around also created the universe too. . . . .even if we assume that the universe had a first cause you haven't begun to show or provide any evidence at all to show that it is the "god of the bible" that is the first cause you simply asserted it. Moslems, hindus, african traditional religion, buddist etc all make the same assertion. . . .The question is Where is your evidence to show that the bible god actually created the universe? Pointing to the writings of men who thought and lied the stars will fall into the earth someday or men who lie that sun moves around the earth is no evidence at all
 

a.what are these postulations? why EXACTLY do u disbelieve any of them?
b. what is ur evidence/ basis for disbelieving the biblical account of the universe?
c. Dont u consider it ridiculously that u have no idea about how the universe came into existence?