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| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 8:51pm On May 16, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Go and read about the Mary , you people pray to. The Biblical Mary was a horrible sinner (James 2:10), who needed a Savior (Luke 1:47), and told others to do what Jesus commanded (John 2:5). The Biblical Mary was not a Perpetual Virgin (Matthew 13:55-56), was not Immaculately Conceived (Romans 3:23), wasn't Bodily Assumed into Heaven (Hebrews 9:27), and she doesn't intercede on our behalf (1st Timothy 2:5... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"  . The Blessed Virgin Mary of the Catholic religion is straight from Hell. Oh! Listen my friend, the Catholic Church is a prisonhouse of religion! Catholics have churchianity without Christianity, and religion without truth. From the cradle to the casket, the Catholic Church offers people a package deal; but it's a guaranteed road straight into the depths of Hellfire and damnation. In Luke 17:21, Jesus stated that the Kingdom of God is within you; not within a religious organization. Many people want an organized religion that allows them to touch, taste, see, and feel what they're trusting in for eternal life. However, true salvation, which is obtained only by faith in Christ Jesus, is of the heart (Romans 10:10).1 Like |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:12pm On May 16, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: True. Jesus himself confirmed it . Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV) 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Apostles James also spoke about the Law. 1 John >Chapter 3 > Verse 4 King James Version Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. James > Chapter 2 > Verse 10 King James Bible For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all . Paul also wrote about the Holiness of God's law. Galatians 3:15-25 God's Law is Holy 7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Billions of people are decieved. including great men of God. people don't read the Bible on their own and allow all parts of the Bible to interpret itself. they depend on others to do the interpretation. 1 Like |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:48pm On May 17, 2016 |
blueAgent:pray simply mean to request, I pray to my parents Catholics pray to both Moses and Abraham |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:50pm On May 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:we are no longer under that law. that is what the Bible says that law was transistory. it is the ministry of death Read ur Bible |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:50pm On May 17, 2016 |
blueAgent:pray simply mean to request, I pray to my parents Catholics pray to both Moses and Abraham |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:50pm On May 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:we are no longer under that law. that is what the Bible says that law was transistory. it is the ministry of death Read ur Bible |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:02pm On May 17, 2016 |
blueAgent:Galatians 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a mediator.3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a tutor. learn to read ur bible,we are not under that law anymore |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:09pm On May 17, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: And you feel .you people are right? John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 1 Timothy 2:5 .(KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When you pray, say, Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be your name.Your kingdom come. Your will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. All this Bible verses Confirm that only Jesus is our mediator .and our only means to reach God. The other Verse talks about God not sharing his glory with any gods .so praying to mary Abraham,Moses are all wrong . it is not written in the Bible. In our Lords prayer taught by Jesus . he never instructed us to pray to any man or Woman. So why do you pray to them. Remember Moses himself could not enter the promise land becos, God refused him entering it. so he is a mere mortal. what do you expect moses to do with your pray.since his own request was not granted by God. mind you Moses and Abraham are dead and still in the grave. not in Heaven. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 10:10pm On May 17, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Don't confuse yourself. that verse is not reffering to the ten commandments .the law in that verse talks about that of the cremonial laws and Sacrificial laws which were shadows of things to come. and were nailed to the cross by the death of Jesus. they were added as a temporary means for the cleansing and purification of Sinners Colossians 2:17 But the ten commandements of God are eternal. they are God's moral laws. is like this.every country or organization has its set of laws and code of conduct. that also the function of the ten commandments. God's judgement of Man is based on those Laws. they are God's standand. Remember the first 4 laws of the commandments are laws about man's responsibility to God .Exdous20:1 So if the law, was done away with. are you now suggesting that we can now bow to other gods,use the name of God in vain,as well as commit murder,adultery,Fornications. Since it means we are no long under the law. Remember when John was shown vision of the end in the book of Revelation. He saw the Ark of Covenants containing the Ten commandments. the old and new covenants have an ark of the covenant, see Hebrews 9:4 and seen opened in the apocalypse on judgment day containing all of the Ten Commandments (Revelation 11:18,19; 1.King8:9) and we are all to be judged by these Ten (James 2:8-1 ) Even David said this about God's law. Psalm 119:98 Your commandments make me wiser than my enemies, For they are ever mine. Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalm 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all day long. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by btoks: 5:48am On May 18, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:The authors of the books cannot be found via sola scriptura but only known via church tradition. 2Tim 3:15 only refers to the OT scriptures known at the time. NT books hadn't been completed or confirmed as scripture. How does one know the pure word of God without the Church to determine them? In the beginning and indeed today (via sola scriptura ) were many competing writings and movements that all claim to be Christian yet teach things at odds with each other, how is that standard objectively determined in the absence of a teaching office? |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by btoks: 5:53am On May 18, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:I believe the bible contains the word of God as determined by the church. I'd like to know where it was foretold that the Catholic Church will massacre millions of people and when this event supposedly occurred. Napoleon in the Bible? !! |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by SujiAndrew(m): 6:49am On May 18, 2016 |
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| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:27pm On May 18, 2016 |
blueAgent:thank God u know many laws in the old testament are no longer in force. now read this passage 2cor 3:7-11 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! what is d ministry of death? which law is written in stone? is it not the 10 commandments? |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:33pm On May 18, 2016 |
btoks:which church determined  which books were confirmed as part of d bible?1 Like |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 8:59am On May 19, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: I laugh. U don't even finish the Bible chapter and you jumped into conclusion. Romans 7-8 The Law and Sin 7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[ b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature You can see that Paul acknowleged the perfect nature of the law. he never discarded it.only the law can point one to his sin. Let me ask U. if the ten laws were done away with. why do people who commit adultery,fornication, tell lies,use the name of God in vain,murder. e.t.c why are they regarded as sinners by God and the Church? What was done away with was the veil covering the face of Moses. Symbolising that man now has access to the throne. that's glory of God through Jesus. I will post a better explanation |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:04am On May 19, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Do you know that the ten commandments were in existence .even before Adam and Eve sinned or before Abraham was born. www.nairaland.com/3038010/ten-commandements-preceded-moses |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:13am On May 19, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: This is the full explanation of your Bible verse. The ministration of death [the Ten Commandments points out sin; Romans 7:7, and sin points to death; Romans 6:23] on stone was Glorious and was NOT to be done away. It was the glory on the face of Moses that was done away. The King James Version is a little unclear in its translation on this point. Observe just a few of many translations below which are clearer. AMP) “Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away.” (ASV) “But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away.” (NASB) “But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.” (NIV) “Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was.” (RSV) “Now if the dispensation of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such splendor that the Israelites could not look at Moses' face because of its brightness, fading as this was.” Moses was the minister of the Old Covenant. He gave the people God's instructions on how to keep the Ten Commandments law [detailed requirements on what to do] and what to do when it was broken [Priests and Sacrifices]. This glorious system of ministration was done away with, not the Ten Commandments. Christ ministers the New Covenant. He gives people the Spirit who gives people instructions on how to keep the law [think it, not just do it] and what to do if it is broken [genuinely repent and trust in Christ to cover sin]. Under the New Covenant the law is written in our hearts. Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” To enable people to internalize His law, to love it and obey it eagerly and willingly, God made this promise. See also 2 Corinthians 3:3 in the above passage in contention. Ezekiel 36:26-27 “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.” The subject is not the doing away with the law or its establishment, but rather, the change of the location of the law from “tables of stone” to the “tables of the heart.” Under Moses' ministration the law was on stones. Under the Holy Spirit's ministration, through Christ, the law is written upon the heart. Christ's ministration of the law is effective because He transfers the law to the heart of the Christian. Then keeping the law becomes a delight and a joyful way of living because the Christian has true love for both God and man. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:11pm On May 19, 2016 |
blueAgent:7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in hthe ministry of condemnation, ithe ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. I asked u just one question please answer. what is the ministry of death carved in stone? is it not the 10 commandments? this is to see if u are even sincere |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:25pm On May 19, 2016 |
blueAgent:I asked u just one question please answer. what is the ministry of death carved in stone? is it not the 10 commandments? this is to see if u are even sincere |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:46pm On May 19, 2016 |
blueAgent:Galatians 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring would come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained through angels by a mediator.3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a tutor. The law came to tel u what sin is so that we will be under wrath, it was our tutor, we are nt under it anymor |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:04pm On May 19, 2016 |
Blueagent dralein 12: Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" (Rom. 7). Notwithstanding dis statement affirming d goodness of d Law, Paul continued 2 state just a short while later in romans d following: "3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh" (Rom.  .d law was good nd holy nd even just, bt is was also weak, it couldnt condem sin in d flesh and cause rightousnes. it became a curse to all under it "10: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11:But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12: And the law is not of faith: but, The man thatdoeth them shall live in them.(Gal 3) TO BE CONTINUED... |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:30pm On May 19, 2016 |
The law only made everyone guilty under a curse and under God's wrath until d saviour will come. Christ came and removed us from under d tutor (d law), and its curse and to justify us before God. 12: And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" "25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3) d laws glory has now been surpassed, it nolonger glorious 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.(2 cor 3) TO BE CONTI... |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:38pm On May 19, 2016 |
Ephesians 2:15 New International Version by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, New Living Translation He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. Jesus hads ended d system of d law with its commandments and ordinance. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 8:57pm On May 20, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Stop confusing yourself. Galatians 3:19 talks about the sacrificial laws or Ordinances not God's moral law. they were added becos of sin. By law no man can please God. it only takes faith in Jesus for one to obey God's law. The law could only point out our sins but it had no power to save. but through JESUS all those who believe can live and depend on christ for the grace to please God. not trying to please God by their own ability. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:23pm On May 20, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: I laugh at U. what Jesus ended was the system of sacrifical offering for sin. not God's moral law the ten commandments.get it. If Jesus destoryed the law. why did he now instruct us to obey and teach the law? why did he even magnify the law by making it more Sacred? why did Jesus say a single dot or T shall not be removed from the law .except heaven and earth pass away. So what did the Old Testament prophets say Jesus would do? Isaiah 42:21 “The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will MAGNIFY the law, and make it HONOURABLE.” ◄ Matthew 5:19 King James Bible Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Matthew 5:18 King James Bible For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. ◄ Matthew 5:21 You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:44pm On May 22, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: commandments? This is the full explanation of your Bible verse. The ministration of death [the Ten Commandments points out sin; Romans 7:7, and sin points to death; Romans 6:23] on stone was Glorious and was NOT to be done away. It was the glory on the face of Moses that was done away. The King James Version is a little unclear in its translation on this point. Observe just a few of many translations below which are clearer. AMP) “Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away.” (ASV) “But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away.” (NASB) “But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.” (NIV) “Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was.” (RSV) “Now if the dispensation of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such splendor that the Israelites could not look at Moses' face because of its brightness, fading as this was.” Moses was the minister of the Old Covenant. He gave the people God's instructions on how to keep the Ten Commandments law [detailed requirements on what to do] and what to do when it was broken [Priests and Sacrifices]. This glorious system of ministration was done away with, not the Ten Commandments. Christ ministers the New Covenant. He gives people the Spirit who gives people instructions on how to keep the law [think it, not just do it] and what to do if it is broken [genuinely repent and trust in Christ to cover sin]. Under the New Covenant the law is written in our hearts. Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” To enable people to internalize His law, to love it and obey it eagerly and willingly, God made this promise. See also 2 Corinthians 3:3 in the above passage in contention. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:05pm On May 24, 2016 |
BLUEAGENT, my question still remains, what is the ministry of death carved in stone? i an calling everybody as a witness that u have refused to answer both urself and dralien. i didnt ask u 4 commentary, i ask 1 question, pls answer it. cc syncan Btok |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 10:37am On May 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: I posted other translations of that Bible verse to show you that . you miss understand the verse using King James Version. wat else do you want me to explain. Here is the verse. and their translation. This is the full explanation of your Bible verse. The ministration of death [the Ten Commandments points out sin; Romans 7:7, and sin points to death; Romans 6:23] on stone was.Glorious and was NOT to be done away. It was the glory on the face of Moses that was done away. The King James Version is a little unclear in its translation on this point. Observe just a few of many translations below which are clearer. AMP) “Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law],was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away.” (ASV) “But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away.” (NASB) “But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was.” (NIV) “Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was.” (RSV) “Now if the dispensation of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such splendor that the Israelites could not look at Moses' face because of its brightness, fading as this was.” Moses was the minister of the Old Covenant. He gave the people God's instructions on how to keep the Ten Commandments law [detailed requirements on what to do] and what to do when it was broken [Priests and Sacrifices]. This glorious system of ministration was done away with, not the Ten Commandments. Christ ministers the New Covenant. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:13am On May 25, 2016 |
blueagent, please stop the commentary and give me a one line answer, what is the ministry of death carved in stone? cc btok, syncan. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 9:14pm On May 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Continue fooling yourself and end in Hellfire. Since you know you have no arguement you just keeping overlooking the facts. Bible translation have Shown that it was not what was written on the stone that was done away with. but the glory on the face of Moses. I was not the one who translated those Bible verses. You can google them or get any bible which is not KJV . for you to understand the verse properly. what is their U don't understand? Going to Heaven is not about religeon but what the Word of God Says. its not about what the whole world believes. The entire Christedom have been corrupted with Bible verses misinterpreted. I urge you to do research on your Church their believes and how it contradicts Bible verses. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by Syncan(m): 11:44pm On May 26, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Hahahaha, you go look for one line answer tire. |
| Re: Do Catholics Really Worship Mary? by blueAgent(m): 8:41am On May 27, 2016 |
Syncan: Lol.... I tire for this kind person. God help us. |
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