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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by herald9: 9:42am On May 25, 2016
Richirich713:

1. There is one God 2. God is 3 co-existing eternal persons. 3. Each person is fully God.

You might soon run mad embarassed
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Jozzy4: 9:45am On May 25, 2016
Richirich713:


Oh thats not what I mean, I'm talking about the greatest possible being, u said supreme, so I thought we talking about the perfect being.



yes, am talking about the supreme being who have no God, infact all other beings in heaven and earthn are subjected to his universal authority




Well u said the supreme being, so I'm assuming the supreme being is perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving.

I thought love can only exist between two or more persons?

remember we love simply because he first Loved us. that sud tell u the supreme being himself is Love . 1 john 4:8
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by nynbrada: 9:47am On May 25, 2016
Richirich713:


1. There is one God
2. God is 3 co-existing eternal persons.
3. Each person is fully God.



Hmmm! It couldn't have been more succinctly put. This is the A,B,C of the doctrine of Trinity.

Hehehe, let me advance it a little bit,

TRINITY, simply means one eternal Godhead{supreme being} who has chosen to manifest or reveal himself in 3 seperate/distinct persons or being in the form of the, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. These three persons or individual if i my use the word, are distinct and seperate from each other but all 3 are of the same substance(divine nature) and collectively they make up the eternal Godhead.

Though the term "trinity" is not found in the Bible, however, this does not in any way negate the fact that the teaching/doctrine is highly scriptural as there are a plethoral of verses in the scripture from the Old Testament through to the New, that supports and prove the validity of this doctrine.

It would certainly be a puerile/effort in futility trying to engage JW's, Unitarians, Atheists and their likes on this forum on such a delicate issue as these, as experience has once shown me. No matter how much scripture you bring forth to buttress and uphold your view, they will keep regurgitating the same dumb and silly position they are wont in doing.

So my advice, let them alone as this issue is a deep spiritual truth that cannot be grasped by an unregenarate/uncirumcised human heart.

Shallom.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by johnydon22(m): 10:00am On May 25, 2016
herald9:

You might soon run mad embarassed

Honestly i was laughing while reading his posts .. God is three persons but 1 being.. serious "being" is the position of person hood so still same thing as person.

My bro was not really making sense though no wonder catholics always employ the good ol saint augustine's allegory tactics to evade answering the trinity inconsistency.

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by johnydon22(m): 10:05am On May 25, 2016
Richirich713:


The entity trinitarians call God comprises three persons, it's not three persons equal one person rather it's three Persons equal one Being.

This doesn't make sense as "Being" is the state of "living" "consciousness" "existence"

so three persons cannot be one being since they are separately conscious and supposedly separate existence.

Let me help you with a more understandable approach.

Trinitarian doctrine can be explained thus, GOD is an essence and within this essence there are three persons, co-equal, co-eternal.

even though three distinct persons there are none the less ONE in their essence and unity as GOD

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by herald9: 11:28am On May 25, 2016
johnydon22:


Honestly i was laughing while reading his posts .. God is three persons but 1 being.. serious "being" is the position of person hood so still same thing as person.

My bro was really making sense though no wonder catholics always employ the good ol saint augustine's allegory tactics to evade answering the trinity inconsistency.
Just imagine :
There is ONE God, God is THREE persons, EACH PERSON is fully God.

Mathematically,

1=3=1

Welcome To Quantum Religion grin tongue

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 4:56pm On May 25, 2016
Richirich713:


U should be more open minded to it.

Open minded to unscriptural teachings? No na
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Richirich713: 5:02pm On May 25, 2016
Jozzy4:


yes, am talking about the supreme being who have no God, infact all other beings in heaven and earthn are subjected to his universal authority.


While that's still not what I'm talking about here, it's about the "greatest possible being" or as saint Anselm put it " the greatest conceivable being" or as modern philosophers say "maximal greatest"

Jozzy4:


remember we love simply because he first Loved us. that sud tell u the supreme being himself is Love . 1 john 4:8

That doesn't explain how he is all-loving, especially if he existed for all eternity alone.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 5:06pm On May 25, 2016
herald9:

Just imagine :
There is ONE God, God is THREE persons, EACH PERSON is fully God.

Mathematically,

1=3=1

Welcome To Quantum Religion grin tongue

They are the reasons people mock serious and honest Christians, imagine what a Bible reader is saying.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 5:10pm On May 25, 2016
nynbrada:


Hmmm! It couldn't have been more succinctly put. This is the A,B,C of the doctrine of Trinity.

Hehehe, let me advance it a little bit,

TRINITY, simply means one eternal Godhead{supreme being} who has chosen to manifest or reveal himself in 3 seperate/distinct persons or being in the form of the, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. These three persons or individual if i my use the word, are distinct and seperate from each other but all 3 are of the same substance(divine nature) and collectively they make up the eternal Godhead.

Though the term "trinity" is not found in the Bible, however, this does not in any way negate the fact that the teaching/doctrine is highly scriptural as there are a plethoral of verses in the scripture from the Old Testament through to the New, that supports and prove the validity of this doctrine.

It would certainly be a puerile/effort in futility trying to engage JW's, Unitarians, Atheists and their likes on this forum on such a delicate issue as these, as experience has once shown me. No matter how much scripture you bring forth to buttress and uphold your view, they will keep regurgitating the same dumb and silly position they are wont in doing.

So my advice, let them alone as this issue is a deep spiritual truth that cannot be grasped by an unregenarate/uncirumcised human heart.

Shallom.


So what's the name of the holy spirit? He's part of the Godhead, isn't it?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by SidL(m): 5:18pm On May 25, 2016
By no means whatsoever will I pretend to have read this thread from the beginning. But I am compelled to say that the idea of the trinity is a fact of nature and everywhere present in principle. Religion simply just has an unhealthy way of making woo-woo out of Truths so much so that those who can and should do the proving, dismiss it outright. Some examples of the trinity concept are mitosis or the recoil from discharge of a gun. Can that be denied??

Scientifically, action or activity emerges simultaneously from equilibrium and to equilibrium will they return.

action<----- Equilibrium------->re-action

Discharge<--Equilibrium------->re-coil

Male<-------Male-Female----->Female

Red<--------White----------->Blue

Hemisphere<---Equator--->Hemisphere

"God the Son"<---"God the Father-Mother--->"God the Daughter or holy spirit"

All actions and reactions are simultaneous equal and opposite. Both Emerge from Equilibrium and to Equilibrium will they return in 'sexual' union.

Principles in nature are universal, objectively and subjectively.

The Trinity therefore, is the idea of the Son (red side of the spectrum) and the Daughter or "holy spirit" (blue side of the spectrum) which both emerge simultaneously from White Light of the Son-Daughter, and will rejoin in sexual union to re-attain their Equilibrium of Son-Daughterhood.

"God" the Father/Son<---"God" the Father-Mother--->"God" The Mother/Daughter.

Male<---------------------Hermaphrodite------------>Female

I could go on, but something tells me the above should suffice.

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 9:04am On May 26, 2016
tempem: Lol... You are indeed a problem..

Just as you are!

See, admit the truth and stop going about it. ..

Have you ever admitted the truth for once?

At first you never believed you'll find it there cheesy . Yet you were shocked to find it there....

It's better you close your brown teeth, you think everyone is like you who hold on to one version of the English translation.

Now you are bringing up something you'd not accept but you'll deny again even if I put up an explanation...

That's what you get when you couldn't digest simple statement but reading like a programmable robot.

Now go back to my previous post, read it slowly this so that you can see that i asked you two different questions.

Why can't you put up your explanation here and stop this ranting?

See, truth is truth and it's clear about trinity..

Yes the truth about Trinity is very clear.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by tempem: 9:10am On May 26, 2016
Emusan:


Just as you are!



Have you ever admitted the truth for once?



It's better you close your brown teeth, you think everyone is like you who hold on to one version of the English translation.



That's what you get when you couldn't digest simple statement but reading like a programmable robot.

Now go back to my previous post, read it slowly this so that you can see that i asked you two different questions.

Why can't you put up your explanation here and stop this ranting?



Yes the truth about Trinity is very clear.
This made my day... cheesy

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 9:13am On May 26, 2016
goodnews201668:


Even when some words were invented?

Do you agree with the rendering of those Bible translations of John 1:1 or not? Answer my question and stop perambulating!

Do you mean those translations invented the wording of John 1:1?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by tempem: 9:22am On May 26, 2016
goodnews201668:


They are the reasons people mock serious and honest Christians, imagine what a Bible reader is saying.
Sincerely, that's true...... Some are turning atheist because of false religious teachings, and not primarily because of the myths Evolution presented, 'cause they' ve already seen that the theory is not true and far from facts.

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by tempem: 9:26am On May 26, 2016
herald9:

You might soon run mad embarassed
cheesy grin lol. Some people eh!! Satan is quite wicked.

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by tempem: 9:31am On May 26, 2016
nynbrada:


Hmmm! It couldn't have been more succinctly put. This is the A,B,C of the doctrine of Trinity.

Hehehe, let me advance it a little bit,

TRINITY, simply means one eternal Godhead{supreme being} who has chosen to manifest or reveal himself in 3 seperate/distinct persons or being in the form of the, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. These three persons or individual if i my use the word, are distinct and seperate from each other but all 3 are of the same substance(divine nature) and collectively they make up the eternal Godhead.

Though the term "trinity" is not found in the Bible, however, this does not in any way negate the fact that the teaching/doctrine is highly scriptural as there are a plethoral of verses in the scripture from the Old Testament through to the New, that supports and prove the validity of this doctrine.

It would certainly be a puerile/effort in futility trying to engage JW's, Unitarians, Atheists and their likes on this forum on such a delicate issue as these, as experience has once shown me. No matter how much scripture you bring forth to buttress and uphold your view, they will keep regurgitating the same dumb and silly position they are wont in doing.

So my advice, let them alone as this issue is a deep spiritual truth that cannot be grasped by an unregenarate/uncirumcised human heart.

Shallom.

Please sir, do you agree that Christ has a head? Like he's under someone?

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:07am On May 26, 2016
nynbrada:


Hmmm! It couldn't have been more succinctly put. This is the A,B,C of the doctrine of Trinity.

Hehehe, let me advance it a little bit,

TRINITY, simply means one eternal Godhead{supreme being} who has chosen to manifest or reveal himself in 3 seperate/distinct persons or being in the form of the, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. These three persons or individual if i my use the word, are distinct and seperate from each other but all 3 are of the same substance(divine nature) and collectively they make up the eternal Godhead.

Though the term "trinity" is not found in the Bible, however, this does not in any way negate the fact that the teaching/doctrine is highly scriptural as there are a plethoral of verses in the scripture from the Old Testament through to the New, that supports and prove the validity of this doctrine.

It would certainly be a puerile/effort in futility trying to engage JW's, Unitarians, Atheists and their likes on this forum on such a delicate issue as these, as experience has once shown me. No matter how much scripture you bring forth to buttress and uphold your view, they will keep regurgitating the same dumb and silly position they are wont in doing.

So my advice, let them alone as this issue is a deep spiritual truth that cannot be grasped by an unregenarate/uncirumcised human heart.

Shallom.



One of my objections to Trinitarianism is that it depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.

also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time. We are told that the incarnate Christ was/is both “fully God” and “fully man”. As one who is “fully God” he is said to be omniscient, all-powerful, and omnipresent, yet as one who is “fully man” he would have to be limited in knowledge, power, and location. To say that a person can have all of these attributes at the same time is not just to utter something unintelligible, it is to affirm that which would normally be considered impossible. The sentence “Jesus is all-knowing yet limited in knowledge” appears to have the same logical content as the sentence “Bob is a murderer who’s never killed anyone” or “Joe is a football player who’s never played football.”


Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible.

Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true, and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by ArcToyin(m): 5:45pm On May 26, 2016
herald9:
You might soon run mad embarassed
Water exist in how many state?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by herald9: 9:24pm On May 26, 2016
ArcToyin:

Water exist in how many state?

Three: Liquid water, ice and vapour...

But can A molecule of water exist simultaneously in those three states?
Of course not, it must change forms.

From the story of Jesus' baptism; Jesus was physically on earth, the Holy Spirit was physically present through a Dove and another voice spoke from heaven...

So one person could actually split himself into three, sent himself to earth yet still up there in heaven while sending himself to confirm himself to be his only son?

If this is not insanity, then I don't know what to call it.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Nobody: 11:21pm On May 26, 2016
herald9:


Three: Liquid water, ice and vapour...

But can A molecule of water exist simultaneously in those three states?
Of course not, it must change forms.

From the story of Jesus' baptism; Jesus was physically on earth, the Holy Spirit was physically present through a Dove and another voice spoke from heaven...

So one person could actually split himself into three, sent himself to earth yet still up there in heaven while sending himself to confirm himself to be his only son?

If this is not insanity, then I don't know what to call it.
water can exist in three state at the same time.God himself is a triune being the father the word and the spirit. For example in genesis chapter 1:26 you will think God was talking to another being but no he was not. This might seem strange only because we are not trinue in nature. Take for example one of God's quality which is "truth", for God to be true there must be a witness even the bible says in the witness of two or three every matter must be settled.since God has being true from eternity then there must be a witness to this. Jesus refers to himself as a true and faithful witness, God the father was a witness to Christ, that is why Jesus never called himself God or reveal his identity as Christ he left that for the father and you know what, the father reveal to Peter who Jesus was. Another witness is the holy spirit, Jesus clearly stated that the holy ghost will bear witness of him while Jesus himself bear witness of the father.these things proved more that God is truth and in him there is no lie.shallom
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by herald9: 5:30am On May 27, 2016
solite3:
water can exist in three state at the same time.God himself is a triune being the father the word and the spirit. For example in genesis chapter 1:26 you will think God was talking to another being but no he was not. This might seem strange only because we are not trinue in nature. Take for example one of God's quality which is "truth", for God to be true there must be a witness even the bible says in the witness of two or three every matter must be settled.since God has being true from eternity then there must be a witness to this. Jesus refers to himself as a true and faithful witness, God the father was a witness to Christ, that is why Jesus never called himself God or reveal his identity as Christ he left that for the father and you know what, the father reveal to Peter who Jesus was. Another witness is the holy spirit, Jesus clearly stated that the holy ghost will bear witness of him while Jesus himself bear witness of the father.these things proved more that God is truth and in him there is no lie.shallom
Water can exist in three states, but can ONE molecule of water exist in three states simultaneously?

The rest of the garbages are ignored.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 9:17am On May 27, 2016
Emusan:


Do you agree with the rendering of those Bible translations of John 1:1 or not? Answer my question and stop perambulating!

Do you mean those translations invented the wording of John 1:1?

Is it not part of the Bible?

John 1:1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by ArcToyin(m): 10:37am On May 27, 2016
herald9:


Three: Liquid water, ice and vapour...

But can A molecule of water exist simultaneously in those three states?
Of course not, it must change forms.

From the story of Jesus' baptism; Jesus was physically on earth, the Holy Spirit was physically present through a Dove and another voice spoke from heaven...

So one person could actually split himself into three, sent himself to earth yet still up there in heaven while sending himself to confirm himself to be his only son?

If this is not insanity, then I don't know what to call it.
I understand your complain. If you have your bible, go through 1Jn 5:7.Also, if you want to lay your comment , present it in a reasonable way. What does the pejorative word like 'insanity' that you are including. Can't you just speak without them.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:24pm On May 27, 2016
BIBLESPEAKS:



One of my objections to Trinitarianism is that it depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.

also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time. We are told that the incarnate Christ was/is both “fully God” and “fully man”. As one who is “fully God” he is said to be omniscient, all-powerful, and omnipresent, yet as one who is “fully man” he would have to be limited in knowledge, power, and location. To say that a person can have all of these attributes at the same time is not just to utter something unintelligible, it is to affirm that which would normally be considered impossible. [size=28] The sentence “Jesus is all-knowing yet limited in knowledge” appears to have the same logical content as the sentence “Bob is a murderer who’s never killed anyone” or “Joe is a football player who’s never played football.”
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Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible.

Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true, and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?

exactly ! the moment I knew this doctrine is made up by all means to make Mary a God mother, is when someone claimed to be Almighty is also agreed to be limited in power at the same time . just as you state at bold they are forced to appeal to an unscriptural God - man concept . yet the same being claimed to be Almighty , CANNOT BE AN ALMIGHTY WHILE AS A MAN, HE HAS TO BE LIMITED IN POWER ... FOR WHAT ? why cant He still be all powerful even as a man?


Trinity is pure heresy .

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Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by CAPTIVATOR: 4:25pm On May 27, 2016
ArcToyin:

I understand your complain. If you have your bible, go through 1Jn 5:7.Also, if you want to lay your comment , present it in a reasonable way. What does the pejorative word like 'insanity' that you are including. Can't you just speak without them.

even with its spurious addition, the verse never said the three are one God , did it ?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by ArcToyin(m): 5:49pm On May 27, 2016
CAPTIVATOR:


even with its spurious addition, the verse never said the three are one God , did it ?
I can't reason with you again. You are uncouth and you lack manners. Congratulation to you on whatever you belief.
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 8:54pm On May 27, 2016
goodnews201668:


Is it not part of the Bible?

John 1:1King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The color part is the main issue here.

Of course it is there in the KJV and the rest of the translations he listed but the main point here is whether he agreed with those translations that "...and the word was God."
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 10:30pm On May 27, 2016
Emusan:


The color part is the main issue here.

Of course it is there in the KJV and the rest of the translations he listed but the main point here is whether he agreed with those translations that "...and the word was God."

What's your stress with the part the word was God?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 6:20pm On May 29, 2016
goodnews201668:


What's your stress with the part the word was God?

If the word was God and the word became flesh (which we know as Jesus Christ) then Jesus Christ is God! Now, was those translations rendered John 1:1 as "...and the word was God" correct or not?
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by goodnews201668: 7:29pm On May 30, 2016
Emusan:


If the word was God and the word became flesh (which we know as Jesus Christ) then Jesus Christ is God! Now, was those translations rendered John 1:1 as "...and the word was God" correct or not?

The issue is not whether he's God or not, the issue is the father is superior, the father is his God, the father knows certain things he doesn't know, and so on. Yet you guys claim they're one God.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the womanis the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 

King James Version (KJV)
Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Emusan(m): 8:16pm On May 30, 2016
goodnews201668:
The issue is not whether he's God or not,

No the issue is He is God, which begs for the question; how many God do you have?


the issue is the father is superior, the father is his God, the father knows certain things he doesn't know, and so on. Yet you guys claim they're one God.

1 Corinthians 11:3

“But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 

King James Version (KJV)

This shows that you don't understand the concept of Trinity yet you people will be shouting up & down diving into what you don't know.

FYI, the truth from the scripture is that:
Jesus is God
Father is God
Holy spirit is God

According to the scripture that's why Trinitarian solved this mystery by focusing on the NATURE of God not on the POSITION

No Trinitarian who doesn't agree that The Father is greater or superior than The Son (but in position).

Had it been that you understand Apostle Paul writings you would've understood that he used two positions to talk about man-woman relationship:

1. Man & Woman are equal by NATURE
2. Man is placed in high level (as the head) than woman in POSITION.

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