One thing we should know is that everything about God is a mystery. You can't understand God with a canal mind. The mystery of Trinity will continue to be a problem to the canal minds. What Trinity simply means is that God appears into 3 forms(persons) but yet the same God Almighty ie God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Believe it or leave it.

Emusan:


No the issue is He is God, which begs for the question; how many God do you have?
Jehova the father of jesus will always be greater and always remain the God of jesus christ!
By the way did i just hear you say the holy spirit is also God? Continue



This shows that you don't understand the concept of Trinity yet you people will be shouting up & down diving into what you don't know.

FYI, the truth from the scripture is that:
Jesus is God
Father is God
Holy spirit is God

According to the scripture that's why Trinitarian solved this mystery by focusing on the NATURE of God not on the POSITION

No Trinitarian who doesn't agree that The Father is greater or superior than The Son (but in position).

Had it been that you understand Apostle Paul writings you would've understood that he used two positions to talk about man-woman relationship:

1. Man & Woman are equal by NATURE
2. Man is placed in high level (as the head) than woman in POSITION.

no matter how you try to justify the false doctrine of trinity it can never stand!

The holy spirit God too? Continue

SuperSupremo:
its just a cooked up lie,nothing like that exists.else Jesus will have talked about it himself

Oya U read 1 john 5:7. Don't worry self let m paste it
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are one.

goodnews201668:


no matter how you try to justify the false doctrine of trinity it can never stand!

The holy spirit God too? Continue

Lol...it already stands from everlasting to everlasting that why you are here talking about Trinity.

goodnews, are you a believer in subordinationism?

https://carm.org/subordinationism

Emusan:


Lol...it already stands from everlasting to everlasting that why you are here talking about Trinity.

Falsehood can't stand, unless to those that like and promote it.
Besides you guys invented it. It's not scriptural, when it's difficult to explain the next you guys say is that it's a mystery.
The truth is God wants us to know him. To have the true knowledge of him to gain eternal life and all we need to know about him is found in the Bible, stop inventing complicated doctrines.

easysunny:
One thing we should know is that everything about God is a mystery. You can't understand God with a canal mind. The mystery of Trinity will continue to be a problem to the canal minds. What Trinity simply means is that God appears into 3 forms(persons) but yet the same God Almighty ie God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Believe it or leave it.

The father has a name, the son does have a name.
If the holy spirit is a person what's his name? Show me to prove Trinity.

easysunny:
One thing we should know is that everything about God is a mystery. You can't understand God with a canal mind. The mystery of Trinity will continue to be a problem to the canal minds. What Trinity simply means is that God appears into 3 forms(persons) but yet the same God Almighty ie God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Believe it or leave it.

That's the lie they use to cajole you with and then control you



If you don't understand your God why worship what you don't understand



Its Something fishy that people are meant not to understand,In Islam we understand the Creator and worship Him.
He said you must understand him before you worship him.
Don't sit down for some people to take you for granted forever

Molake94:


Oya U read 1 john 5:7. Don't worry self let m paste it For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Did you ever read Jeremiah 7:7

goodnews201668:
Falsehood can't stand, unless to those that like and promote it.

Just as you and your organization are promoting falsehood about Christ and the scripture.

Besides you guys invented it. It's not scriptural,

But you agree that John 1:1 says the word was God according to those translations, so how many God do you have?

when it's difficult to explain the next you guys say is that it's a mystery.

So can show me where I've ever said Trinity is a mystery?
Besides, everything about God is mystery because His ways far beyond humans' way. Bible uses the word MYSTERY more than twenty times, so how dare accusing Trinitarian of saying Trinity about God is a mystery?

The truth is God wants us to know him.

Since God wants us to know Him can you say you've FULLY known Him?

To have the true knowledge of him to gain eternal life and all we need to know about him is found in the Bible

Since you've been having this true knowledge of Him, have you FULLY known Him in totality?

Jesus Himself said "...and NO MAN knoweth who the Son IS, BUT THE FATHER; and who the FATHER IS, but the Son..."

Despite the lots of revelations about the Father and His Son in the Bible Jesus could still make that statement. Is that not a mystery in God's being?

Following this Jesus' statement we can then conclude that you and your organization have become God for fully knowing the Father and the Son.

stop inventing complicated doctrines.

Do you agree that there is a mystery within the being of God Himself? Anyway, Trinity is not a mystery to understand in the knowledge of knowing the unsearchable & unlimited God.

goodnews201668:


The father has a name, the son does have a name.
If the holy spirit is a person what's his name? Show me to prove Trinity.

Olodo!

If the word "Holy spirit" isn't a name, why would Jesus said people should be baptised in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

herald9:

Water can exist in three states, but can ONE molecule of water exist in three states simultaneously?

The rest of the garbages are ignored.

your analogy doesn't make sense.
God is not a material being and I won't be surprise if you are an atheist

Emusan:


Olodo!

If the word "Holy spirit" isn't a name, why would Jesus said people should be baptised in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

Thanks for the name calling, I am olodo. No wahala, but I am troubled because you don't even know the meaning of holy spirit. People are said to also undergone baptism of fire, so fire is also a God?

Read Matthew 3:11 & Lu 3:16 the Bible talks about baptizing people with holy spirit and fire!
Maybe you will say fire is a God too. When things are personalized in the Bible it doesn't always mean they are persons or beings.

Emusan:


Just as you and your organization are promoting falsehood about Christ and the scripture.



But you agree that John 1:1 says the word was God according to those translations, so how many God do you have?



So can show me where I've ever said Trinity is a mystery?
Besides, everything about God is mystery because His ways far beyond humans' way. Bible uses the word MYSTERY more than twenty times, so how dare accusing Trinitarian of saying Trinity about God is a mystery?



Since God wants us to know Him can you say you've FULLY known Him?



Since you've been having this true knowledge of Him, have you FULLY known Him in totality?

Jesus Himself said "...and NO MAN knoweth who the Son IS, BUT THE FATHER; and who the FATHER IS, but the Son..."

Despite the lots of revelations about the Father and His Son in the Bible Jesus could still make that statement. Is that not a mystery in God's being?

Following this Jesus' statement we can then conclude that you and your organization have become God for fully knowing the Father and the Son.



Do you agree that there is a mystery within the being of God Himself? Anyway, Trinity is not a mystery to understand in the knowledge of knowing the unsearchable & unlimited God.

We can't know everything about God, granted. But the Bible revealed much of what we need to know about God, yet nowhere did it suggests three in one God. You guys invented it. This is the Bible's position. The father, God and creator of everything thing including the son is Jehovah!
Then you have the son second in the universe, through whom every other things were created including the Angels. The Bible addressed him as Jesus!
The holy spirit is God's holy spirit which he uses to accomplish all his purposes, he also uses it to help his servants, it can also be used to empower them to accomplish many things. In fact the holy spirit's work is so many that we can't exhaust it here!

Hahahaha, I just can't help but laugh. You don't believe in Trinity because it's not logically possible, but you believe everything on earth was made out of nothing, how logically possible is that? You believe in a being that has no beginning whatsoever, but you want to limit this being to your understanding, how logically possible is that? You believe that a woman untouched conceived and bore a human, how logically possible is that?
In our relationship with God, the first thing is to proclaim whatever God has revealed, understanding it is a different matter. First the early Christians acknowledged that the word of God revealed the father, the son and the holy spirit each as God, yet the same word of God says there is only one God. They didn't start saying it's impossible, they acknowledged their limitations and proclaimed what was revealed then try to study further using logic to see if they can explain it. You don't say a revealed truth is wrong because you don't understand. The Jews made that mistake with Christ, and aren't they still in Judaism today?

goodnews201668:


Thanks for the name calling, I am olodo. No wahala, but I am troubled because you don't even know the meaning of holy spirit. People are said to also undergone baptism of fire, so fire is also a God?

Read Matthew 3:11 & Lu 3:16 the Bible talks about baptizing people with holy spirit and fire!
Maybe you will say fire is a God too. When things are personalized in the Bible it doesn't always mean they are Ifrsons or beings.

I can see that you lack scriptural knowledge and simple English. So, go back to your watchtower for more training.

You asked for a NAME which you're even raising muscle that we should support with Scripture. Now that I shown you that the word Holy spirit itself is a name, you decided to attack sstrawman.

Please when Bible says people will be baptised with Holyspirit and fire, did it say in the NAME of Holy spirit and fire?

Do you now know that Holy spirit is a name?

goodnews201668:
We can't know everything about God, granted. But the Bible revealed much of what we need to know about God, yet nowhere did it suggests three in one God. You guys invented it. This is the Bible's position. The father, God and creator of everything thing including the son is Jehovah!

And the same Bible says Jesus is God, the Holy spirit is God and the Father is God yet there is one God. Then how can you reconcile this?

NOTE: Never boycott my question again because I've asked you several questions here which you didn't address, if you know you can't answer my questions never bother to reply.

Then you have the son second in the universe, through whom every other things were created including the Angels. The Bible addressed him as Jesus!

Please, where in the scripture the Son was rated second in the universe? Besides, is Jehovah dragging position with anybody in the universe?

The holy spirit is God's holy spirit which he uses to accomplish all his purposes, he also uses it to help his servants, it can also be used to empower them to accomplish many things.

1. It means the Holy spirit is eternal and not created, since is within God Himself. True or false?

2. What is the spirit of God or is there anything as spirit in God apart from the Holy spirit?

[qaboveIn fact the holy spirit's work is so many that we can't exhaust it here![/quote]

Very funny is it Holy spirit that is doing the work or God if we go by your explanation above? That's what you get when you're just following people's idea and not what you understand personally by reading Bible.

Trinity is not an Invention. It's a Discovery which you know when you are truely "Born Again". Most of these Knowledges are provided by God Himself to His chosen ones in Christ Jesus.

Emusan:


I can see that you lack scriptural knowledge and simple English. So, go back to your watchtower for more training.

You asked for a NAME which you're even raising muscle that we should support with Scripture. Now that I shown you that the word Holy spirit itself is a name, you decided to attack sstrawman.

Please when Bible says people will be baptised with Holyspirit and fire, did it say in the NAME of Holy spirit and fire?

Do you now know that Holy spirit is a name?

Father is also a Name right ?

Son is also a Name right ?

i dey tell u, u are very corrupt

Emusan:


Olodo!

If the word "Holy spirit" isn't a name, why would Jesus said people should be baptised in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit?

i think you are the Olodo here, " in the NAME of the Father " begs the question, what is the Name of this Father ?

" in the Name of the son" begs the question, what is the name of this Son ?

" in the Name of holy spirit" begs the question,what is the name of holyspirit ? which is the question been asked if truly the holyspirit is a person.

we know the Name of this Father and his Son, tell us the Name of the holyspirit ?

Emusan:


And the same Bible says Jesus is God, the Holy spirit is God and the Father is God yet there is one God. Then how can you reconcile this?

NOTE: Never boycott my question again because I've asked you several questions here which you didn't address, if you know you can't answer my questions never bother to reply.




Please, where in the scripture the Son was rated second in the universe? Besides, is Jehovah dragging position with anybody in the universe?



1. It means the Holy spirit is eternal and not created, since is within God Himself. True or false?

2. What is the spirit of God or is there anything as spirit in God apart from the Holy spirit?

[qaboveIn fact the holy spirit's work is so many that we can't exhaust it here!

Very funny is it Holy spirit that is doing the work or God if we go by your explanation above? That's what you get when you're just following people's idea and not what you understand personally by reading Bible.

The Bible didn't say Jehovah, Jesus and holy spirit are the same. You trinitarians did!
Your questions: 1; the Bible didn't tell us how the holy spirit came into existence it was silent on that. The first mention of HS in the Bible was in Genesis.

2: I don't get your second question but what the Bible teaches is that the holy spirit isn't God himself. Hence the term God's holy spirit!
He uses it to accomplish his purposes.

Now see these scriptures that shows your view about holy spirit is flawed.


Luke 11:13King James Version (KJV)

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
God does give the holy spirit to those who beg him for it.

Luke 1:35King James Version (KJV)

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

There is a close connection between the holy spirit and the power of God.

Isaiah 44:3King James Version (KJV)
3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

Notice God pours his spirit or give to his people, if the holy spirit is God himself that wouldn't have been so.

Acts 2:17King James Version (KJV)

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Here also talks about pouring out the holy spirit upon mankind and the effect is that they'll do wonderful things.


The holy spirit can be personalized sometimes but it doesn't mean it's a person.
It is not unusual in the Scriptures for something to be personified. For example, wisdom is said to have “children.” (Luke 7:35) Sin and death are spoken of as being kings. (Rom. 5:14, 21)
At 1 John 5:6-8, not only the spirit but also “the water and the blood” are said to ‘bear witness.’

These are figures of speech!
You say in the name of the law, does it mean the law is a person? So the holy isn't God himself but the means he uses to accomplish his purposes, it was also the force by which God brought the universe into existence.

Emusan:


I can see that you lack scriptural knowledge and simple English. So, go back to your watchtower for more training.

You asked for a NAME which you're even raising muscle that we should support with Scripture. Now that I shown you that the word Holy spirit itself is a name, you decided to attack sstrawman.

Please when Bible says people will be baptised with Holyspirit and fire, did it say in the NAME of Holy spirit and fire?

Do you now know that Holy spirit is a name?

You can call names and even mention watchtower all the time it won't change anything.
You are just trying to derail that's your way.

You obviously didn't understand what the holy spirit is, when God give or pour out his holy spirit is he pouring out part of him? Of course not. Instance;

Acts 2:17King James Version (KJV)
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Luke 11:13King James Version (KJV)

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Father gives holy spirit! Just like father giving gifts to his children.

CAPTIVATOR:



Father is also a Name right ?

Son is also a Name right ?

i dey tell u, u are very corrupt

And you're very very corrupt!

CAPTIVATOR:


i think you are the Olodo here, " in the NAME of the Father " begs the question, what is the Name of this Father ?

" in the Name of the son" begs the question, what is the name of this Son ?

" in the Name of holy spirit" begs the question,what is the name of holyspirit ? which is the question been asked if truly the holyspirit is a person.

we know the Name of this Father and his Son, tell us the Name of the holyspirit ?

So since Jesus said baptism should be done in the name of the Holy spirit whereas Jesus vividly knew that Holy doesn't have a name, that make Jesus what?

Emusan:


So since Jesus said baptism should be done in the name of the Holy spirit whereas Jesus vividly knew that Holy doesn't have a name, that make Jesus what?

am suprised this is coming from you, didnt the so- called trigodtarians admit that the Father is a separate person from his son and holyspirit, WHEN REFERING TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON and a personal name is meant, " Names " is used. but at Matthew 28:19 , Name is only found in the singular which prove that personal name is not meant here . therefore your use of this verse as a prove of personal name for holyspirit is highly ridiculous and wrong to the highest degree

at Rev 3:12 for example. where reference is made to name, the persons are distinctly identified as having different names.

" The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and [size=25] I will write on him the name of my God, [/size] and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."

that further prove that Name as used by Jesus in the context of matt 28:19 mean " in the power or authority of" not a personal name.

still, you are yet to give a personal name of holyspirit ?

CAPTIVATOR:
am suprised this is coming from you, didnt the so- called trigodtarians admit that the Father is a separate person from his son and holyspirit, WHEN REFERING TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON and a personal name is meant, " Names " is used. but at Matthew 28:19 , Name is only found in the singular which prove that personal name is not meant here . therefore your use of this verse as a prove of personal name for holyspirit is highly ridiculous and wrong to the highest degree

at Rev 3:12 for example. where reference is made to name, the persons are distinctly identified as having different names.

" The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and [size=25] I will write on him the name of my God, [/size] and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."

that further prove that Name as used by Jesus in the context of matt 28:19 mean " in the power or authority of" not a personal name.

still, you are yet to give a personal name of holyspirit ?

Lol...please be surprised about your delusion.

The summary of your confusion is this:

1. You claimed now that the context of NAME in Matt 28:19 means "in the power or authority of" not a personal name."

Now focusing on the 'OF'

2. It means The Father has His own Power or Authority, The Son has His own power or Authority likewise the Holy spirit has His own power or Authority.

3. By inserting it let see the meaning "...in the power or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit"

4. This negate your believe that Holy spirit is the active force of God because according to you the Holy spirit has His own power or authority.

IN ADDITION, this is how you'll know that you people are great perverter of the word of God, now for you to dismiss the evidence of Matt 28:19 you interpreted the name as POWER OR AUTHORITY but when when Jesus said "He has manifested the NAME of the Father" you people said Jesus meant Jehovah whereas the position of scholars here is that the name in John 17:6 means power or authority.

Holy spirit is called by these names in the scripture:
The Spirit & Spirit of God just as Jesus is called The word & word of God.

Emusan:


Lol...please be surprised about your delusion.

The summary of your confusion is this:

1. You claimed now that the context of NAME in Matt 28:19 means "in the power or authority of" not a personal name."

Now focusing on the 'OF'

2. It means The Father has His own Power or Authority, The Son has His own power or Authority likewise the Holy spirit has His own power or Authority.

3. By inserting it let see the meaning "...in the power or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit"

4. This negate your believe that Holy spirit is the active force of God because according to you the Holy spirit has His own power or authority.

IN ADDITION, this is how you'll know that you people are great perverter of the word of God, now for you to dismiss the evidence of Matt 28:19 you interpreted the name as POWER OR AUTHORITY but when when Jesus said "He has manifested the NAME of the Father" you people said Jesus meant Jehovah whereas the position of scholars here is that the name in John 17:6 means power or authority.

Holy spirit is called by these names in the scripture:
The Spirit & Spirit of God just as Jesus is called The word & word of God.

You obviously don't know the holy spirit, again the holy spirit is not a person.
That the holy spirit has authority is strange to you? Well I understand, because you are mixing God and his holy spirit together. Again read his post very well stop twisting it he is not saying the holy spirit has his own power, when you are baptised in the name of the holy spirit it means recognize what it is and allow it to influence or guide. The book of Galatians talked about the friutages of the holy spirit. Again holy spirit isn't God neither is it Jesus, that's why God can give it as a gift and the the scriptures talked about holy spirit been poured upon people. God didn't pour himself or Jesus upon this individuals.
As for john 17 Jesus made his father's name known not his father's authority, and the Bible revealed what God's name is. Jehovah, so no honest hearted person will doubt what Jesus have in mind!

Molake94:



Oya U read 1 john 5:7. Don't worry self let m paste it
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these
three are one.

This was a later addition which cannot be found in the oldest manuscript of 1 John 5:7

I have these questions for trinitarians: 1, where is Jesus presently 2, Jesus has God( God the father) yes or no.

Emusan:


Lol...please be surprised about your delusion.

The summary of your confusion is this:

1. You claimed now that the context of NAME in Matt 28:19 means "in the power or authority of" not a personal name."

Now focusing on the 'OF'

2. It means The Father has His own Power or Authority, The Son has His own power or Authority likewise the Holy spirit has His own power or Authority.

3. By inserting it let see the meaning "...in the power or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit"

4. This negate your believe that Holy spirit is the active force of God because according to you the Holy spirit has His own power or authority.

IN ADDITION, this is how you'll know that you people are great perverter of the word of God, now for you to dismiss the evidence of Matt 28:19 you interpreted the name as POWER OR AUTHORITY but when when Jesus said "He has manifested the NAME of the Father" you people said Jesus meant Jehovah whereas the position of scholars here is that the name in John 17:6 means power or authority.

Holy spirit is called by these names in the scripture:
The Spirit & Spirit of God just as Jesus is called The word & word of God.

Same as the power of Love or authority of the Law . smh for u , no wonder noted trinitarian sef said


Noted trinitarian scholars McClintock and Strong say in their Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature concerning Matthew 28:18-20:

"This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their equality or divinity. " (1981 reprint, Vol. X, p. 552)

And trinitarian scholar Kittel in his Theological Dictionary of the New Testament:

"The N[ew] T[estament] does not actually speak of triunity. We seek this in vain in the triadic formulae "


You are still babbling man, give us the personal name of the holyspirit ?

SHALOM!

I just learned from the beginning- the first minute- of THE ULTIMATE HISTORY LESSON, by JOHN TAYLOR GATTO Youtube Video, that "THE HOLY TRINITY" of Greek Philosophy were "GRAMMAR, LOGIC, and RHETORIC," and therefore the Greeks applied this to Christianity, and said that LOGIC was THE FATHER, GRAMMAR was THE SON, and RHETORIC was THE HOLY GHOST.

. MATTHEW 13:52.

52 Then said he unto them,
"Therefore every scribe
which is instructed unto
The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a man
that is an householder,
which bringeth forth
out of his Treasure
things New and Old."

THIS WAS CALLED THE "GREEK TRIUMVUM."

I have never heard this term in my life.

Back in the day, you could not be a "PASTOR," if you did not know Greek and Hebrew.

The Pastors we have today are usually a SICK JOKE!

cocoduck:
Twins are still two different people, triplets are three different people, and so on

sure but when you see em you see one person or dont you.