KunleOshob:

You that you are living in darkness is still talking, at least the christians have hope as they have seen the light and they just need to study the scriptures better so they don't get mis-lead. Your own case is really pathetic, the only compesation is that you might have seven virgin men waiting for you in hell to do their stuff.

7 men. kai Kunleoshob. Muslim heaven is not for yanshes.

Pastor AIO:



7 men. kai Kunleoshob. Muslim heaven is not for yanshes.

I never said anything about muslim heaven as i am not aware any such place exists.

jaffi:

[b]kunle,
talk to me here.
jaffifredrick@gmail.com
i'll appreciate it,if u will.[/b

What would you like to talk to me about ? But i must warn you i remain very resolute and convinced beyond reasonable doubt as per my position on tithes and the evil it represents in today's churches. Besides i see it as my christian duty to spread the truth in that regard and i cannot be persuaded to desist from such an honourable course as some nairalanders have tried to persuade me off line to desist from telling people the truth.

gen2genius:

Then, answer the following questions with appropriate quranic verses:

1. How many angels talked to Mary?

2. Was Pharaoh drowned or saved?

3. Will all Christians go to hell?

4. Which came first, heaven or earth?

5. What was man created from?

6. Who was the first Muslim?

seems like you know so much.ehn? But do you know there are proffessors of the Qur'an and of the Hadith? this is because there is so much to learn of the Qur'an and muslims do not just open their mouth and answer questions, and as a student and not a well versed person on such matters, i decide to keep quite.Since you want to base some arguments on this, i know i just satisfied a part of you. So bring them up and let us see how far we can go with them

davidylan:

The "ignorance" canard again when they cant explain the illogicality of islam.
Just go to wikipedia . . . the REAL MEANING of allah is clear - al + ilah = the god! I didnt put it there myself.

Besides what about abdallah the father of mohammad? So he knew about this God all along but never saw a mosque all his life?

What absolute rubbish. Why did allah send (bar mohammad) ONLY JEWS AS PROPHETS AND ONLY TO JEWS ALONE? What was special about the jews to allah? Why did allah ignore ishmael and the rest of us?

i'll take errors over satanic verses any day.

So now, the wikipedia knows more than muslims? and you keep talking hypocrisy. Who could have been a better hypocrite than the one who sees a part and ignores the other. Is the wikipedia an authority on islamic matters?. It is only logical to know that arabic is a language and that Allah is the same as Oluwa in Yoruba. Whatever you say to this Allah you are automatically saying to your God.

In contrast to your manner, Allah says in the Qur'an that we argue with you in the best of manners. And in another part that we should not abuse your gods lest you abuse ours.Learn from this.

@deols,its only ALLAH that can save that dude,except he prefares the hell.

How come it is females that are now defending allah and his religion

KunleOshob:

You that you are living in darkness is still talking, at least the christians have hope as they have seen the light and they just need to study the scriptures better so they don't get mis-lead. Your own case is really pathetic, the only compesation is that you might have seven virgin men waiting for you in hell to do their stuff.

But em, come to think of it, I think its not fair o! Haba! Shebi they said its 72 virgins waiting for the guys na, why is it only 7 for the women? DIs is not fair fear at all o.

This is a quote from KunleBros from Sept.4th

There is nothing contradictory in paul's teachings and the gospel of christ. I would be willing to explain to you further if you genuinely wish to know the truth.

A pastor posted the following on Next online to show that there were contradictions between what Jesus said and what the founder of Christianity, Paul said in the Bible. Can you offer some explanations as to the differences of opinion?
Inconsistencies

Jesus says children of God are born (Jn 3:3); but Paul says they are adopted (Rm 8:23).

Jesus says God must be the only father of believers (Mt 23:9); but Paul says he (Paul) is the father of some believers (Phile 1:10; 1 Cor 4:15).

Jesus says he is the only pastor and the only teacher (Jn 10:16; Mt 23:; but Paul says there are many pastors and teachers (Eph 4:11; 1 Tim 2:7).

Jesus says we should pray in private (Mt 6:5-6); but Paul says we should pray everywhere (1 Tim 2:.

Jesus says we should not eat food sacrificed to idols (Rev 2:14); but Paul says it does not matter if we do (Rm 14:14).

Jesus himself was circumcised (Lk 2:21); but Paul says if we are circumcised we would be estranged from Christ (Gal 5:2-4).

Jesus says we should not receive payment for preaching the gospel (Mt 10:; but Paul says we should (1 Cor 9:11).

Jesus asks us to baptise as we preach the gospel (Mt 28:19); but Paul dismisses the importance of baptism (1 Cor 1:17).

Jesus says lying is of the devil (Jn 8:44); but Paul says God's truth increased through the lies he told (Rm 3:7).

Jesus says the word of God is truth (Jn 7:17); but Paul says the gospel can be preached with falsehood (Php 1:18).

Jesus is against the use of deception (Jn 1:47); but Paul boasts of using deception (2 Cor 12:16).

Jesus says we should love one another (Jn 13:34); but Paul wished some people would be castrated (Gal 5:12).

Jesus says we should love our enemy in order to be like God (Mt 5:44-45); but Paul says we should love our enemy in order to pour coals of fire on his head (Rm 12:20).

Jesus says we should not swear or curse (Mt 5:34-37; Lk 6:28); but Paul swears and curses (2 Cor 1:23; Gal 1:9).

Jesus says God's children don't bear arms and don't fight (Mt 26:52; Jn 18:36); but Paul says God's ministers bear arms and use them (Rm 13:3-4).

Jesus says we should disregard public opinion (Lk 6:26; Jn 15:18-19); but Paul actively courts public opinion (1 Cor 10:33; 1 Cor 9:20-22).

Jesus says he who is acceptable to God will be hated by men (Jn 15:18-19; Lk 16:15); but Paul says he will be approved by men (Rm 14:18).

Jesus says we should seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness (Mt 6:33); but Paul says we should seek glory, honour and immortality (Rm 2:7).

Jesus says the kingdom of God has been taken away from Israel (Mt 21:43); but Paul says all Israel will be saved (Rm 11:26).

Jesus says only a few of those called will be chosen (Mt 22:14); but Paul says all those called will be chosen (Rm 11:29).

Jesus says salvation is by works (Mt 7:21; Mt 21:28-31); but Paul says it is by grace (Eph 2:8-9).

Jesus says he completed his God-given assignment (Jn 17:4; Jn 19:30); but Paul says he completed what Jesus failed to complete (Col 1:24).

Jesus says our trespasses will be forgiven if we forgive others (Mt 6:14-15); but Paul says they have already been forgiven (Eph 1:7).

Jesus says we will be justified by our own words (Mt 12:37); but Paul says we are justified by faith (Rm 3:28).

Jesus says eternal life is very costly (Mt 19:29; Lk 14:28-33); but Paul says it is a free gift (Rm 6:23).

Jesus says God is not the God of the dead (Lk 20:38); but Paul says he is (Rm 14:9).

Jesus says the commandments give life (Mt 19:17); but Paul says they bring death (Rm 7:10).

Jesus says all the commandments are summed up in two commandments (Mt 22:37-40); but Paul says they are summed up in one commandment (Rm 13:9; Gal 5:14).

Jesus says we should beware of anyone who says the day is at hand (Lk 21:; but Paul says the day is at hand (Rm 13:12).

Jesus says Abel, Adam's direct son, was righteous (Mt 23:35); but Paul says all Adam's descendants are unrighteous (Rm 5:12/19; Rm 3:10).

Jesus says none of the Pharisees kept the law (Jn 7:19); but Paul says he kept all the laws of Moses as a Pharisee (Php 3:5-6).

Jesus says we should be like God (Mt 5:48); but Paul says we should be like him (Gal 4:12; Php 3:17).

Whose report do you believe?

I only believe the report of Jesus Christ.

Source: http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5441632-146/Whose_report_do_you_believe_.csp
Warning: Attack the message, not the messenger.

uplawal:

@deols,its only ALLAH that can save that dude,except he prefares the hell.

Surah 19:71, there is NO SALVATION in allah. It is simply another in the long list of items smuggled into islam to whitewash it.

deols:

So now, the wikipedia knows more than muslims? and you keep talking hypocrisy. Who could have been a better hypocrite than the one who sees a part and ignores the other. Is the wikipedia an authority on islamic matters?. It is only logical to know that arabic is a language and that Allah is the same as Oluwa in Yoruba. Whatever you say to this Allah you are automatically saying to your God.

In contrast to your manner, Allah says in the Qur'an that we argue with you in the best of manners. And in another part that we should not abuse your gods lest you abuse ours.Learn from this.

wikipedia at least isnt so biased as to LIE that Allah = God in arabic.

Go read the bible or the quran . . . the translations for God in arabic is ILAH!

Abeem . . . i opted to simply choose 1 from your long list of hogwash to show that you folks dont understand even your own list of "contradictions".

1. Jesus says God's children don't bear arms and don't fight (Mt 26:52; Jn 18:36); but Paul says God's ministers bear arms and use them (Rm 13:3-4).

Who were "God's ministers" that Paul was refering to in Romans 13? Certainly not pastors or church leaders BUT government authority! Verse 3 EXPLICITLY calls them RULERS . . . (there is no place for rulers in the household of faith).
Verse 6 says we pay tribute/taxes to them . . . there is no such taxes or tribute in the household of faith.
Verse 7 says we owe them our dues, tributes and customs . . . just the same way Christ paid His taxes that was due to Caesar.

Now Abeem ends up with this deceptive and dishonest claim - Whose report do you believe?

I only believe the report of Jesus Christ.

Is Abeem trying to tell us he believes the report of Jesus Christ? So does Abeem agree with ALL the words that Christ spoke of in his plagiarized list? For example Abeem's list has Christ saying "lying is of the devil" BUT Abeem's allah says lying or altaqiya is sometimes allowed.

So whose report is Abeem going to believe? Jesus Christ or Allah?

Davidlyan, u are not even ashamed of yourself being a christian at that long list of your deceiver st paul wrote to you, you still have boldness to defend the lies, its a big shame for you believe that kind of person that changed JESUS CHRIST teachings

uplawal:

Davidlyan, u are not even ashamed of yourself being a christian at that long list of your deceiver st paul wrote to you, you still have boldness to defend the lies, its a big shame for you believe that kind of person that changed JESUS CHRIST teachings

I only picked up one of the "lies" and it turns out both the individual who compiled it and Abeem HAD NO UNDERSTANDING of Paul's writings AT ALL.

The shame is yours ma'am.

Lets assume that Paul was the bad guy here who "changed Jesus Christ's teachings" . . . how come you satanic hypocrites arent following Christ's teachings anyway?

Do you even understand what the name "Christ" means? Using it means you repudiate islam!

oh you just knowing that is the muslims that are following jesus christ teaching,while the xtians follows the st paul, if u now tell me u dnt know, ure a lier and not sincere at all, u've been led astray if u dnt know,except u accept ISLAM-the straight path, or else u ill be lost foever, truth is better

uplawal:

oh you just knowing that is the muslims that are following jesus christ teaching,while the xtians follows the st paul, if u now tell me u dnt know, ure a lier and not sincere at all, u've been led astray if u dnt know,except u accept ISLAM-the straight path, or else u ill be lost foever, truth is better

1. Muslims have never once been original. When are they going to stop stealing Jewish prophets and Christ Himself?

2. Which of Christ's teachings are muslims allegedly following?

- Christ means - the anointed Messiah . . . uhm how does that square with Allah and Mohammad?

- Christ said (and i'm just quoting from Abeem's list since he claims to believe that report) - God must be the only father of believers . . . uhm but Allah CLEARLY REPUDIATES being called your father but your master . . .
- The Christ on Abeem's list specifically encouraged water baptism and baptism with the Holy Ghost . . . err which are muslims allegedly following?

So which Christ are muslims following? Certainly not the one on Abeem's list.

More from Abeem's discredited list . . .

Jesus says children of God are born (Jn 3:3); but Paul says they are adopted (Rm 8:23).

The above simply show's Abeem's spiritual confusion . . . because he assumes the words "born" and "adopted" used there are literal meanings. Infact Nicodemus himself thought the same thing until Christ had to correct Him . . . no Jesus did not say the children of God are born of a woman . . . He meant they are BORN OF WATER AND OF THE HOLY GHOST (John 3:5) . . .

When Paul talks of children of God being "adopted" . . . Abeem and the list compiler forgot to add the most important portion of Paul's explanation . . . Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Saying the same thing . . .

Paul goes ahead to explain what he meant by "adoption" . . . the redemption of our body . . . meaning we are changed by the renewing of our mind to a new creature . . . akin to being reborn again but this time NOT of a woman but of the Holy Ghost.

So is Abeem believing the report of Christ that says he shld be born of water and of the Spirit?

Ah brof, u still believing this evil man st paul, wise up before ure dead,honestly i pity ur soul, dnt worry would av to chat with u personally, cos i dnt want u to perish

worship of God, jesus and spirit-angel gabriel imagine,total IDOLATORY,

uplawal:

Ah brof, u still believing this evil man st paul, wise up before ure dead,honestly i pity your soul, dnt worry would av to chat with u personally, cos i dnt want u to perish

Do these people have anything more than manufactured talking points to offer? You'd be hard pressed to get them to offer sensible points to support the drivel they spout.

Lol chatting with me personally will lead you to question your faith . . . you've been warned.

uplawal:

worship of God, jesus and spirit-angel gabriel imagine,total IDOLATORY,

And Abdallah is what? Salvation in pre-islam?

You folks are deluded . . .

You kept mentioning Christ . . . do you even know what it means? Empty head, vapid walking billboard for spiritual delusion.

davidylan:

And Abdallah is what? Salvation in pre-islam?

You folks are deluded . . .

You kept mentioning Christ . . . do you even know what it means? Empty head, vapid walking billboard for spiritual delusion.

han han david dis your anti islam agenda get as it be oooo.

chic2pimp:

han han david dis your anti islam agenda get as it be oooo.

no be agenda at all . . . instead of them to quietly read their qurans they run up and down bleating about Christ and the bible. they deserve all they get.

David, if u think a muslim would be moved by what u said about Abdullah,its total crap,pre ISLAM was before the QURAN was sent am sure u knew that,so he could be doing doing like how UR PEOPLE WORSHIP AMADIOHA AND STILL PUT CHINEKE ON HIGH ESTEEM, I think ure knowledgeable enough, pls wanna go eat my sahoor o,would be rightback

uplawal:

David, if u think a muslim would be moved by what u said about Abdullah,its total crap,pre ISLAM was before the QURAN was sent am sure u knew that,so he could be doing doing like how your PEOPLE WORSHIP AMADIOHA AND STILL PUT CHINEKE ON HIGH ESTEEM, I think ure knowledgeable enough, pls wanna go eat my sahoor o,would be rightback

1. Mohammad's grandfather named his son Abd-allah (slave of allah). which allah was that pre-quran and mohammad with his demonic spirit?

2. Who was this abdallah a slave to and why shockingly are muslims STILL abdallah anyway?

3. Please dont tell me you are fasting . . . that would be the joke of the century.

Davidlyan, if am fasting,whats ur stress about it,anyway its been decreed upon all believers to fast by God and its for him alone not even for urselves,and u cant wave it like ur people that are not even organised,talk more of obeying fasting,redeem av their own yeye fasting,jehovah withess got thiers,catholic got theirs with ash on thier head,av collected that before imagine,scattered allover,

uplawal:

Davidlyan, if am fasting,whats your stress about it,anyway its been decreed upon all believers to fast by God and its for him alone not even for urselves,and u cant wave it like your people that are not even organised,talk more of obeying fasting,redeem av their own yeye fasting,jehovah withess got thiers,catholic got theirs with ash on thier head,av collected that before imagine,scattered allover,

You're not fasting my dear, you eat a very heavy breakfast albeit earlier than us . . . skip lunch until 7pm when you then eat it combined with another heavy dinner.

Its funny how muslims spend more on food during fasting periods than any other time.

Sure' you're all "fasting".

Davidlyan,when it come s to nairalanding,am trying,i might not contribute more like others but then, av got eyes to read,all this trash u just listed has been dealt with several times,and ure not ignorant of any of them ,but u just wish to go to hell,and ur punishment start from the grave,and av also gave u instance above,dnt ur tribe people worship God and ascribe partners to him?and i bet u, ure still doing it as xtians,cos u made jesus god even in this century, i tell u thats how its been to many in those days, some worship only GOD directly but some do deity then still worship God,if truly u decide to go to hell,  i know av tried for u, cos u know when ur book is opened, i,Alhaji Olabowale,Abuzola,Babs787, littleb,lagosboy,deols,Alimat,Jarus, and others would be called as witness, and i pray its not too late for u,then u would av wished u listen

uplawal:

Davidlyan,when it come s to nairalanding,am trying,i might not contribute more like others but then, av got eyes to read,all this trash u just listed has been dealt with several times,and ure not ignorant of any of them ,but u just wish to go to hell,and your punishment start from the grave,and av also gave u instance above,dnt your tribe people worship God and ascribe partners to him?and i bet u, ure still doing it as xtians,cos u made jesus god even in this century, i tell u thats how its been to many in those days, some worship only GOD directly but some do deity then still worship God,if truly u decide to go to hell,  i know av tried for u, cos u know when your book is opened, i,Alhaji Olabowale,Abuzola,Babs787, littleb,lagosboy,deols,Alimat,Jarus, and others would be called as witness, and i pray its not too late for u,then u would av wished u listen

There are no books in allah's heaven . . . this is a late invention ostensibly to COPY what was clearly written in the book of revelations.

Besides if you lot dont give your lives to Christ . . . you're all doomed to hell. Sorry read Surah 19:71 for what allah has in store for you "witnesses".

i have to sleep,david, am sure ure a security guard in a company, thats why ure not so bother about knowing the truth, cos u keep going in circles,cos ure using thier internet while working

uplawal:

i have to sleep,david, am sure ure a security guard in a company, thats why ure not so bother about knowing the truth, cos u keep going in circles,cos ure using thier internet while working

yeah go and sleep, you need to wake up early to eat breakfast then you can carry on the daily charade of "fasting".

@abeem
I went through the crap you posted and it stinks of twisted scripture and mis-representation. Paul's teachings are 100% in conformity with the teachings of christ. I think it is better you seek knowledge with an open mind and not depend on what a so called muslim pastor concorted up.

KunleOshob:

You that you are living in darkness is still talking, at least the christians have hope as they have seen the light and they just need to study the scriptures better so they don't get mis-lead. Your own case is really pathetic, the only compesation is that you might have seven virgin men waiting for you in hell to do their stuff.

   

But em, come to think of it, I think its not fair o! Haba! Shebi they said its 72 virgins waiting for the guys na, why is it only 7 for the women? DIs is not fair fear at all o.  

@ davidylan and KunleOshob,
Can you guys and most especially, Davidylan, refrain from vituperations and personal attacks and just reply with well-reasoned and intelligent arguments? Cherry-picking of the so-called inconsistencies is not what is called for but a wholesale rebuff of each argument is what is desired. I am still at a loss as to why the published sayings/teachings of Jesus are asymmetrical from those of Paul since Paul too received divine inspirations from God. Okay, if one on one rebuff might be unnecessary and a drain on your precious time, can you please explain what is meant by

Jesus himself was circumcised (Lk 2:21); but Paul says if we are circumcised we would be estranged from Christ (Gal 5:2-4)

. Is this a testimony that Jesus is not God? Please explain and also try to refrain from abuse and name calling. Let make it an intelligent discussion/argument. Promise.