The Koran like the bible is full of ridiculous contradictions!

Numerical Contradictions: There are many numerical contradictions in the Koran. God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations.

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

·         QKoran7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

·         QuKoran0:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

·         QurKoran1:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

·         QuraKoran29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

@ Reverend,
You didn't come off to me as unintelligent, man. Allah has said that a Day with Him is as a thousand that we reckon. So, the Qur'an is quite different from your Old Testament's account of the Universe being 5,000 years old. Please, do the math yourself.

The above verses clearly state that Allah ( God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

·         QuranKoran : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

·         Quran-Koran0: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

·         Quran-41:Korano He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2 (for earth) + 4 (for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days.

Created the earth in two days and and the heavens in two days; it is commonsensical that Allah could have used part of the first two days of the earth's creation to disperse all the animals, vegetations, peaks and what have you, and eventually, completed the "nourishment," as you called it, in the remaining two days. It's quite possible. He is Allah -- the Mighty.

Bible is not exactly the word of God, its the account made by men of God of the past, example is the Old testament which was actually supposed to be the recordings of Moses, but in the so called bible today you find fragments of things that does not show that it is a recording during moses period. Anyway that is that.

Thats why in the bible, you would never find "According to God" you would find "According to Someone" rather.

@Ajisafe, cool down now, besides what the hec are you talking about? What he quoted is not a Quranic verse, he is still yet to provide the verse and chapter

its the account made by men of God of the past, example is the Old testament which was actually supposed to be the recordings of Moses

Isn't the Qu'ran an account made by Mohammed? Doesn't the Qu'ran acknowledge other Prophets apart from Moses?
And by the way, this quotation from Surah 29:46 was pencilled down about 1400 years ago. At that time, the New and Old Testament were already compiled into the compendium we call the Bible. This is what your Prophet was refering to. You can chose to believe otherwise, and that makes you just an unbeliever in the infallibility and divine inspirations of the Qu'ran as I am.

The Quran is different from Hadith The Quran is revelation, The Hadith is Account

1400 years ago, there were no Arabic version of the bible Or what did you mean? Please expantiate

As I said we belief in the actual bible, but not of which is available today, it is polluted. We belief in the real Old testament (zabur) the real New Testament (Injil), but not the stuff today,

So you must believe that your God is powerless to preserve the integrity of his word.  Do you know to what extent even men will go to make sure their words are not corrupted?  Now extend that desire to God.

And if Allah's supposedly spoken words were corrupted then, what is the guaranty that the one he tried to get out through Muhammad wasn't corrupted as well.  That allah must really be powerless if his words are so easily trampled down.

When you're are this brazenly blasphemous, what stops me from exposing how brainless you're?

Logical:

@mlks_baby
Ah, you are a convert Well God created logic for a reason, faith is blind, me thinks.
If for example my faith is of the devil, God wouldnt tolerate such an ignorance in the day of reckoning . God would question you according to what he has gifted you with. God is fair,

@Logical,

I understand your concern. That's what we were told ages ago - that faith is blind. If that were so, where's the belief in Islam then? Belief and faith are connected, and until you see that, issues such as you're trying to debate will continue to make no sense to you (and to many of us, I should say). Faith is not blind - that is the very case made in verses in the Bible that asks that people try not to be gullible in what they hear. Take a few examples:

     (a) Reason:
          God says through Isaiah: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet,
          they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." (Isa. 1:18).

          Jesus encouraged an understanding of His message: "And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and
          understand. . ." (Matt. 15:10).

          The Apostle Paul didn't hinder rationality in faith: "I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say." (I Cor. 10:15).

As you can see, God didn't ask that faith be blind and unreasonable. Many times we were told that faith is blind and for those who were and are biased, that's the end of the story. Not for me since I became a Christian. I'm not trying to disparage Islam, for the Bible asks us to love everyone - even those who are not Christians (Matt. 5:44).

So, no - faith is NOT blind. As a matter of fact, faith dispels ignorance.

Isn't the Qu'ran an account made by Muhammad?

Didn't I just show it to you how the Qur'an was revealed? Is that too much for you to comprehend?

Beleif can stand on its own

You belief for a reason -> You don't want to be banished to hell,

You have faith for a reason -> Emotions dispelled because of the crucifixion ? Or maybe you are afraid of hell (Do yo know that if there was no Crucifixition, Christianity wont exist today? The idea of someone dying for me and for my sins?)

God is fair, and wont want me to be a victim of someones sins, God does not make his creations scape goats.

Faith is blind because you can't explain somethings, you become very illogical, if your belief is based on faith. But if your belief is based on human gift (logic), you are assured that no matter what, you can always use that as a leverage in the day of reckoning, God is Just.

As I said we belief in the actual bible, but not of which is available today, it is polluted. We belief in the real Old testament (zabur) the real New Testament (Injil), but not the stuff today,

I know it was inadvertent but rather an oversight. Actually, the Old Testament=Taurat (Torah), which was the  book given to Musa (Moses),  the One given to Yisa/Issa is called the Injil (the Evangel), while Dauda (David) was to whom the Zabur (Psalm) was given. Allah knows best.

Yeah you are right. To err is human

The 45 most dangerous Questions for Muslims to hear

The outline below contains the very answers to the very questions Muhammad did not want his followers to know, namely that Islam is a sanitized version of ancient polytheistic moon worship which he invented to exercise military control.

1. Does the Qur’an define the word "Allah"? No.
2. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur’an? No
3. Does the Qur’an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? Yes
4. Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? Yes.
5. According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No
6. Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No
7. What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans
8. What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
9. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes
10. Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
11. Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
12. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes
13. Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
14. What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
15. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes
16. Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" Yes
17. Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
18. Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
19. Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
20. Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
21. At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
22. Was the Kabah thus the "house of the Moon-god"? Yes.
23. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
24. Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? Yes
25. Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? Yes.

26. Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? Yes.

27. Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78).

28. Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80).
29. Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? Yes.
30. Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
31. Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
32. What were they called? "The Satanic Verses." Yes.
33. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? Yes.
34. Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? Yes
35. Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? Yes

36. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? No

37. Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? Yes.
38. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? Yes

39. Is it possible that most Muslims do not know the pagan sources of the symbols and rites of their own religion? Yes.
40. Are they shocked to find out the true sources of their ceremonies and stories? Yes
41. Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? No
42. What then is Islam? A modern version of one of the ancient fertility cults.
43. Is the "Allah" of the Qur’an, the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No
44. Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? No
45. Then whose god is Allah? Paganism

@Reverend

Still waiting for those Refrences . I know you hate muslims, but nevertheless it would be great if you provide the chapters and verses. That would be helpful. THanks. Dont deviate

Logical:

You have faith for a reason -> Emotions dispelled because of the crucifixion ? Or maybe you are afraid of hell (Do yo know that if there was no Crucifixition, Christianity wont exist today? The idea of someone dying for me and for my sins?)

@Logical,

I appealed a while just above that you understand that faith is not blind to reason. If that is the way you defind logic and faith, then you've just drawn a very illogical inference - and the weakness then is yours, not faith nor reason. The nature of faith does not suppose fear - that's what you may believe or hold onto in Islam, but fear is not connected to faith in anyway. "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." (I John 4:18). When a person receives the gift of God's love by faith, fear is dispelled and where then is torment?

Logical:

Faith is blind because you can't explain somethings, you become very illogical, if your belief is based on faith. But if your belief is based on human gift (logic), you are assured that no matter what, you can always use that as a leverage in the day of reckoning, God is Just.

And if that's how you understand faith, Christianity is not alone to be blamed (if at all): your religion (Islam) carries the bulk of the inexplicable. There are many things you don't understand in Christianity; does that mean that there's no meaning in it? Not at all. And notice, if you can always use logic as a leverage in the Day of reckoning, you'll find that a very weak excuse, because there are questions God will ask you that you won't be able to answer!

When you're are this brazenly blasphemous, what stops me from exposing how brainless you're?

I said earlier that Islam does not give room for thinkers only followers.  What have I said here that deviates from logic?  Your only response to to call me names.  How does that make you more righteous and better still, how does that validate your faith?  Maybe you should just answer that question.  If you don't give me an answer, you shold at least answer your heart.

@TayoD and mlks_baby

Why do you worship God? I am asking for a reason?

@ Logical

I do not hate Muslims at all. I hate the fanaticism of the Islamic religion and it's very manipulative and repressive nature!

I promise to get back to you with an answer to your questions when I have a couple of spare minutes!

Cheers

The Rev.

Don't make me laugh, Logical. I don't know what informed that question, unless you misread me as an atheist, which I'm not. That's one that skeptics often ask - are you now an atheist? Look into your heart, and let's see if the answer for worship is ringing. If not, get back to me and I'll share something with you.

Please answer my question. Why do you believe in GOD?

Logical:

@TayoD and mlks_baby
Why do you worship God? I am asking for a reason?

Logical:

Please answer my question. Why do you believe in GOD?

See - I knew that was coming! Is it now a question of worshipping or of believing in God? I hope you can clarify issues and then I can give you answers that you won't run the risk of misconstruing.

I want to see why you have faith, because sometimes we think we are quite ok with our faith when we actually are not

@ Logical

The simplest reason I have for believing in God, is that if he does not exist, where does love come from? I don't mean attraction, but sacrificial love. The love a parent feels for a child. It is beyond instinct!

You digress, but here is your answer in Ecclesiates 12:13: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

I appreciate your concise answer Reverend; and yours, TayoD .

@Logical, if that does not satisfy your curiosity, let me oblige you something more:

So many people believe in God in a number of ways - that He exists, but not necessarily having to do with issues of their everyday lives; or, that He's someone/something that He is not, and then it shows in their lives; etc. I positively believe in God for these two reasons below:

(a) that He exists and is very involved in my everyday life and existence

(b) that He is who He says He is - as presented in the Christian faith.

A lot of people may have differing views and philosophies concerning God in the Christian faith - some even outrage and resentment: and that's why they go to any length to "disprove" and slur the Christian faith. These things do not affect my faith for the simple reason that those opposed cannot provide rational answers to my personal life and existence. I don't have all the answers, God knows and understands me in a way that no other being does - and every single time that I've had very deep concerns, I've always found satisfying answers in Him: and that's the reason why relating to Him by faith in Christ forms the basis of my worshipping Him.

There you have it: I believe that He exists and that He is God -
. . .because He has proven Himself and His love to me personally many times over;

and my worshipping Him -
He provides the most satisfying answers to the deepest needs and most perplexing questions of my heart such as I can't find anywhere else.

Does this help you?

I still havent got a reason.

Someone might say, I believe in God because I do not want to go to hell.
Another might say, I believe in God because his son died for me and blah blah blah.
Another person might say I believe in God because he created me to worship him, I am his slave and I have no choice.

But you seem to be avoiding to give me a simple one sentence answer, I believe in God because? Let me hear you friends

People can fill this thread with a million answers and you still will find none. So, let us ask you: Logical, why do you believe in and worship God?

because sometimes we think we are quite ok with our faith when we actually are not

  Does this apply to you as well?

Ah promise me that you would answer me after I give my reason as to why I believe in God?

Spare us the same headaches you accuse us of - just go straight and answer the questions

I belief in God, because I have too, otherwise I would be barnished to hell. I was created for a reason, and I have a guide that promises renumerations. So my belief in God is brought about by the belief in the message he sent to man of which he tells man his purpose and mentions his existence. I accept my duty and I am working towards achieving my purpose

The choice is mine

Logical:

I belief in God, because I have too, otherwise I would be barnished to hell.

Does that sound like reason/logic to you? That sounds more like torment and blind faith to me - the very thing you tried to mock at earlier:

Logical:

You have faith for a reason -> Emotions dispelled because of the crucifixion ? Or maybe you are afraid of hell

Yeah its logical, because I am afraid of hell, which justifies my reason for belief Atleast its better than been emotional? Dont you think?

100% of God believers are afraid of hell? Well if you are not THen maybe i can work on that statistic.

I belief in God, because I have too, otherwise I would be barnished to hell. I was created for a reason, and I have a guide that promises renumerations. So my belief in God is brought about by the belief in the message he sent to man of which he tells man his purpose and mentions his existence. I accept my duty and I am working towards achieving my purpose

I expected more logic from he who calls himself the logical.  By the way, can you give me a quote from your holy book that tells you your duty to God as I did from Ecclesiastes?