Recently i would see different opinions on internet about haraam,or halal to take photo,or watch videos. But if what i am watching is just an animal show or cartoon and news may be,then is it okay

Also what about isbaal,the issue on wearing half trousers,is it obligatory

cc lexiconkabir

muser:
Recently i would see different opinions on internet about haraam,or halal to take photo,or watch videos. But if what i am watching is just an animal show or cartoon and news may be,then is it okay

Intangible images are not haraam, implying snapping pictures on phone is not haraam as far as you do not print it on paper or wall or something similar, also it implies that watching of videos isnt haraam as far as it doesn't have things that can cause fitna....and i hope you know what i mean.

Also what about isbaal,the issue on wearing half trousers,is it obligatory

I am a bit lazy to type cuz its a long issue, so go here https://islamqa.info/en/102260 it was discussed extensively.

Isbaal is a haram in islam because of d saying of the prophet that says"any part of the clothing of a muslim that goes beyond d ankle is in fire". Allah knws best

lexiconkabir:


Intangible images are not haraam, implying snapping pictures on phone is not haraam as far as you do not print it on paper or wall or something similar, also it implies that watching of videos isnt haraam as far as it doesn't have things that can cause fitna....and i hope you know what i mean.



I am a bit lazy to type cuz its a long issue, so go here https://islamqa.info/en/102260 it was discussed extensively.

@bolded, Are you saying the media are wrong for printing newspapers and magazines? We all know pictures are printed on them.

Secondly, passports, identity cards, album pictures are also haram?

I have read many scholars opinion and they do not say what i mentioned above haraam.

tintingz:
@bolded, Are you saying the media are wrong for printing newspapers and magazines? We all know pictures are printed on them.

I dont have to reply this.

Secondly, passports, identity cards, album pictures are also haram?

I have read many scholars opinion and they do not say what i mentioned above haraam.

Apart from that striking, i dont have to say anything here either.

lexiconkabir:


I dont have to reply this.


Apart from that striking, i dont have to say anything here either.

Why not reply clearly for someone like me to understand.

So album pictures is haram. Interesting.

Can you please tell us more.

tintingz:
Why not reply clearly for someone like to understand.

So album pictures is haram. Interesting.

Can you please tell us more.

You have all the answers you need.

lexiconkabir:


You have all the answers you need.

Are album pictures and photography haram? need your clarification/opinion on this?

At least back them up with some scriptural quotes.

tintingz:

Are album pictures and photography haram? need your clarification/opinion on this?

At least back them up with some scriptural quotes.

http://sunnah.com/search/pictures-will-be-punished

Those are ahadith

tintingz:

Are album pictures and photography haram? need your clarification/opinion on this?

At least back them up with some scriptural quotes.

More;

http://sunnah.com/search/?q=image+making

See the first two hadiths especially the second.

lexiconkabir:


More;

http://sunnah.com/search/?q=image+making

See the first two hadiths especially the second.

lexiconkabir:


http://sunnah.com/search/pictures-will-be-punished

Those are ahadith

But there was no photograph and printing during the time of Prophet Muhammad (SA) how are these hadiths that talk about paintings relates to the former.

Many scholars said images were forbidden because people worship them.

tintingz:


But there was no photograph and printing during the time of Prophet Muhammad (SA) how are these hadiths that talk about paintings relates to the former.

Many scholars said images were forbidden because people worship them.

The word used is tasweer which means picture making, so it deals with the modern method of picture making, anyway i dont expect you to agree, since you see yourself as "rational"

BTW there is an hadith that says angels of mercy dont enter a house having pictures, is that for worship too?

lexiconkabir:


The word used is tasweer which means picture making, so it deals with the modern method of picture making, anyway i dont expect you to agree, since you see yourself as "rational"

They are not related. Picture making during the Prophets era were used by hand, this includes sculpures, paintings etc where people worship them.

Printing pictures in this modern era is like a reflection of us(like a mirror) where it is used by devices.

Because the concept of cameras and photography is a technological development of man after the establishment of the Quran and the Sunnah, there is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars regarding its permissibility. The majority of the scholars of Islam are of the opinion that photography in itself is not forbidden in Islam, because it provides nothing but an exact reflection and mirror image of the creation of the Supreme Creator as opposed to paintings, or images, or the sculptures of an animate objects, where there is a possibility that man can make an imaginary addition/subtraction to the original creation of the Creator, and are thus strictly forbidden in Islam.

Almost all the scholars of Islam are unanimous in their opinion that there is no harm if one takes a portrait photograph for necessary and legal reasons, and to comply with the modern methods of identification like identity cards, drivers license, passports, etc. Some opine that there is no harm if one wishes to take photos of family and loved ones and keeps them secured in albums for memory; but if they abstain from it, it would be better and purer for them.

http://islamhelpline.net/node/4776

There are hadiths that says pictures are allowed if it is not for worship.

BTW there is an hadith that says angels of mercy dont enter a house having pictures, is that for worship too?

That should be those that display pictures on walls.
But we can find Saudi king palace displaying pictures of their past kings, newspapers with pictures, Calenders etc what do you say about that?

tintingz:
They are not related. Picture making during the Prophets era were used by hand, this includes sculpures, paintings etc were people worship them.

Printing pictures in this modern era is like a reflection of us(like a mirror) where it is used by devices.




http://islamhelpline.net/node/4776

There are hadiths that says pictures are allowed if it is not for worship.

That should be those that display pictures on walls.
But we can find Saudi king palace displaying pictures of their past kings, newspapers with pictures, Calenders etc what do you say about that?

Suit yourself.

Don't you think its funny you dismiss whatever does not follow your desires but things that conforms you dont cheek it twice even though no proofs were provided

lexiconkabir:
Don't you think its funny you dismiss whatever does not follow your desires but things that conforms you dont cheek it twice even though no proofs were provided

What does Quran say about images?

What were the reason/root for forbidden images?

You're funny when you said snapping pictures on phones is not haram but printing it is haram, abeg what is difference? Because I find it illogical.

tintingz:
What does Quran say about images?

Quran says follow the messenger.

What were the reason/root for forbidden images?

I dont need to reply this.

You're funny when you said snapping pictures on phones is not haram but printing it is haram, abeg what is different? Because I find it illogical.

Snapping is not making the picture (tasweer) but its like the mirror because it is intangible BUT by printing it, you've made the picture(tasweer) which the prophet cursed!!

If you want to involve in sin, do it alone and dont try to drag others with you for the punishment of the latter is weightier than the former(a sincere advice I'm giving you).

Go and study and stop the nonsense you are doing all in the name of "rational" falsely, where you don't crosscheck what follows your whims and desire, but if you see what contradicts it, you become "critical".

Double post.

lexiconkabir:


Quran says follow the messenger.



I dont need to reply this.

Are image making completely forbidden? NO.

They made for Solomon what he desired of enclosures, and statues/images, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. "O family of David, work to show thanks." Only a few of My servants are appreciative. [Quran 34:13]

Thus, The Quran does not prohibit such things completely, it only prohibits being devoted to them or their worship.
http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/statues-images-forbidden.htm

^^Like the era of Abraham and Moses(AS).

Mr. Lexi why not reason the Quran with hadith or is it also haram to do such?

Snapping is not making the picture (tasweer) but its like the mirror because it is intangible BUT by printing it, you've made the picture(tasweer) which the prophet cursed!!

Snapping Is intangible right? but it is saved on my phone and I can view my pictures anytime I want.
Can you reread what you posted and see if it make sense to you.

When you snap using a device you have already make an image of yourself but because we are in technology/advance era we don't bother printing them.

Besides, people use their pictures as wallpaper on phone and computer, what do say about that?

If you want to involve in sin, do it alone and dont try to drag others with you for the punishment of the latter is weightier than the former(a sincere advice I'm giving you).

Are you the sin knower?

Go and study and stop the nonsense you are doing all in the name of "rational" falsely, where you don't crosscheck what follows your whims and desire, but if you see what contradicts it, you become "critical".

My rationality here is based on Quran and hadith.

You should also be concern about scholars and their different opinion, interpretation and even yourself.

Don't know why this is still issue though. It's very simple brothers.

tintingz:
Are image making completely forbidden? NO.

They made for Solomon what he desired of enclosures, and statues/images, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. "O family of David, work to show thanks." Only a few of My servants are appreciative. [Quran 34:13]

Thus, The Quran does not prohibit such things completely, it only prohibits being devoted to them or their worship.
http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/statues-images-forbidden.htm

^^Like the era of Abraham and Moses(AS).

Mr. Lexi why not reason the Quran with hadith or is it also haram to do such?

We are not following the religion of Solomon or other Prophets that went away, there are somethings allowed in their time and not allowed now, example it is in the Qur'an that the brothers of Yusuf out of respect bowed for Yusuf, is that accepted im Islam? Certainly no, is it in the Quran? Yes, so that can't be used, DO NOT MAKE PICTURES.

Snapping Is intangible right? but it is saved on my phone and I can view my pictures anytime I want.
Can you reread what you posted and see if it make sense to you.

It peefectly makes sense, you can look at the mirror anytime you want, its not tangible, its not fixed! Looking at the mirror does not mean you've made a picture, the same applies with unprinted pictures, they are not fixed, but once you print them, you've made a picture.

When you snap using a device you have already make an image of yourself but because we are in technology/advance era we don't bother printing them.

Already answered.

Besides, people use their pictures as wallpaper on phone and computer, what do say about that?

Its fine.

Are you the sin knower?

The prophet said it's a GREAT SIN, so I know you are committing a major sin, do not drag others with you so your punishment is not increased.

My rationality here is based on Quran and hadith.

Which Quran and hadith? Quran says obey what the prophet says, the prophet said KEEPING pictures in the house prevents the Angels of Mercy from that home, the people of whims and desires usually clinge to unclear proof to prove their point, proofs that can be maneuvered to anu direction they want, ignoring clear cut proofs.

You should also be concern about scholars and their different opinion, interpretation

The ones that says printing pictures allowed? Start mentioning their names with their comments sides by sides their names.

and even yourself.

I am, thats why i am being careful, you on the other hand prefer the temporary goodness of this world to the permanent goodness of the hereafter, be wise. I repeat go and study and stop this nonsense you are doing out of ignorance, i dont usually waste my time like this on people like you, just felt to because of the OP and if perchance it makes fp.

Another point of note @tintingz pictures for memory is haraam(in this case album keeping), idolatry started from the time of Nuh, between the time of Nuh and Adam they lived some pious people which are even mentioned in the Qur'an, they were saints and worshipped Allaah sincerely, after their death people missed them and shaytaan came in human form offering to make pictures of these people for REMEMBRANCE, of course thats harmless, when this generation died, the next generation that came kept this pictures, and again shaytaan came to them in human form offering to transform these pictures to images, then the next generation that came who had no idea why these images were there got convinced by shaytaan that the pictures were worshipped by the ancestors, and bang! That was it, shaytaan achieved his aim after a very lonnnng time.....it started with just REMEMBRANCE, won't you think about this? Like Allaah asks, : Have you no sense?

Empiree:
Don't know why this is still issue though. It's very simple brothers.

Yes, its simple, do not print pictures and leave it at that, but you and your friend say you can print them and keep for remembrance, how did the people of nuh started idolatry? Was it not because their ancestors kept the pictures for just REMEMBRANCE, you both think of only now, but i think of the harm it can cause in the future.


As for the "proof" you brought from the story of solomon is easily refuted by asking if you follow the religion of solomon, can you try to sacrifice your first son because Allaah ordered Ibrahim to do that in the Qur'an or bow to a being other than Allaah because Allaah mentioned that the brothers of Yusuf did?

Allaah asks;

Afala ta'qiloon?

But brother kabir, we capture passports and print them and keep them for future purpose, what's your take on this?

There is picture on our currencies, we carry them about and even have them in our pockets when praying in the mosque, how are these any different from the points you've been making so far on this thread?

Rilwayne001:
But brother kabir, we capture passports and print them and keep them for future purpose, what's your take on this?

Actually you are not suppose to print more than the required number of passports, if the number of passports you need is 2 and you wont be needing more than 2 till further notice, then print just 2.

There is picture on our currencies, we carry them about and even have them in our pockets when praying in the mosque, how are these any different from the points you've been making so far on this thread?

Do you have the pictures on those currencies because you enjoy looking at them? Isn't it a necessity for you to buy things with it, you dont have control over that.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

As for a man carrying money with pictures of kings and presidents that the Muslims are faced with nowadays, this is an old issue which the scholars have discussed. The people used to carry European guineas on which there was a picture of a horse and knight, and they used to carry the French réals on which there was a picture of the head and neck of a bird. What we think about this is that there is no sin on a person who carries it because he has a need to do so, because a person has to carry some money in his pocket, and not allowing the people to do so would cause them hardship. Allaah says what could mean in English:

“Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you” (Quran 2:185).


But in the case of picture printing that you have power over is not allowed.

Just as how you are allowed to eat pork meat and dog meat when necessity arises.

lexiconkabir:


Actually you are not suppose to print more than the required number of passports, if the number of passports you need is 2 and you wont be needing more than 2 till further notice, then print just 2.

No, this is contrary to your point. You are very clear in making your points that picture no matter how it is in printing is prohibited, whereas you have a passport. And please don't tell me you are not keeping your passport for remembrance purpose, don't forget you have it on your school id card or you don't?

And then angels of mercy don't enter house with any form of picture, i guess you don't always have your id card in with you in your house.

Do you have the pictures on those currency because you enjoy looking at them?

So in other words, are you saying i can keep picture that i really don't like looking at?

Isn't it a necessity for you to buy things with it, you dont have control over that.
Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
As for a man carrying money with pictures of kings and presidents that the Muslims are faced with nowadays, this is an old issue which the scholars have discussed. The people used to carry European guineas on which there was a picture of a horse and knight, and they used to carry the French réals on which there was a picture of the head and neck of a bird. What we think about this is that there is no sin on a person who carries it because he has a need to do so, because a person has to carry some money in his pocket, and not allowing the people to do so would cause them hardship. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you” (Quran 2:185).

Although i don't agree with your point here, but i will let it slide.

Rilwayne001:


No, this is contrary to your point. You are very clear in making your points that picture no matter how it is in printing is prohibited, whereas you have a passport. And please don't tell me you are not keeping your passport for remembrance purpose, don't forget you have it on your school id card or you don't?

And then angels of mercy don't enter house with any form of picture, i guess you don't always have your id card in with you in your house.

I speak in general terms that printing pictures is not Allowed, every rule has an exception, this is necessity, just as how the general rule for pork eating is haraam, but there is an exception, and no i dont keep passport for remembrance, i print only the number of passports i need, i have ID card out of necessity due to the situation i find myself, and i dont have power over that.

So in other words, are you saying i can keep picture that i really don't like looking at?

This is a ridiculous question and a mischievous one at that, i was very clear when i said pictures you have power over should not be printed, you print pictures because you like looking at them from time to time, do not deceive yourself.

Although i don't agree with your point here, but i will let it slide.

Your problem.

lexiconkabir:


I speak in general terms that printing pictures is not Allowed, every rule has an exception, this is necessity, just as how the general rule for pork eating is haraam, but there is an exception, and no i dont keep passport for remembrance, i print only the number of passports i need, i have ID card out of necessity due to the situation i find myself, and i dont have power over that.

Of course you have power over it. i have brothers here that calls themselves tebliq, and they shared the same view with boko haram that going to school is indeed haram. The power you have over it is simply by not going to school.

And then when you graduate, you will have to work in an establishment where ID card again will be needed. Plus you haven't tell me if angels won't enter your your room for having ID card bearing your picture.

This is a ridiculous question and a mischievous one at that, i was very clear when i said pictures you have power over should not be printed, [s] you print pictures because you like looking at them from time to time, do not deceive yourself.
Your problem [/s] .

Okay.

lexiconkabir:


We are not following the religion of Solomon or other Prophets that went away, there are somethings allowed in their time and not allowed now, example it is in the Qur'an that the brothers of Yusuf out of respect bowed for Yusuf, is that accepted im Islam? Certainly no, is it in the Quran? Yes, so that can't be used, DO NOT MAKE PICTURES.

Are you saying Allah doesn't know what he was doing when Solomon(AS) kept images/statues? Was Solomon worshipping does images?

You're making it look like the bible Jehova that doesn't know what he was doing in old testament "and the lord repented" and made amendments in new testament like Christians believe.

The case of Joseph(AS) was clear, his brothers bow to him because of his high position not that they worship him.

It peefectly makes sense, you can look at the mirror anytime you want, its not tangible, its not fixed! Looking at the mirror does not mean you've made a picture, the same applies with unprinted pictures, they are not fixed, but once you print them, you've made a picture.

Like have said when you snap with your phone your have already make an image of yourself since it is saved in the phone for future views, reference or remembrance what is the difference when you print it, are you not printing exact reflection of what you snapped?

Our fathers print pictures because phones and computers were not available then.

The case of hadith refers to paintings, sculptures, figurines, people in the time of Muhammed(SA) worship images/idols.

Why does the Prophet(SA) see nothing wrong with dolls?

Already answered.



Its fine.

So angel of mercy doesn't have problem with me using my pictures as wallpapers on my computer and phone? What about newspapers and magazines?

The prophet said it's a GREAT SIN, so I know you are committing a major sin, do not drag others with you so your punishment is not increased.

It is a great sin when someone glorify/worship these images. It was clearly stated in the Quran.

Which Quran and hadith? Quran says obey what the prophet says, the prophet said KEEPING pictures in the house prevents the Angels of Mercy from that home, the people of whims and desires usually clinge to unclear proof to prove their point, proofs that can be maneuvered to anu direction they want, ignoring clear cut proofs.

Like have said there are reasons angel of mercy have problem with pictures in the house.

There is an hadith that says you can walk, sleep on pictures since you arw glorifying them.

There is another hadith where Angel Gabriel appear to Prophet Muhammad (SA) in is dream and showed him picture/image of Aisha(RA) on cloaks. Angels carry images?

The ones that says printing pictures allowed? Start mentioning their names with their comments sides by sides their names.

http://www.correctislamicfaith.com/picturesinislam.htm


http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/statues-images-forbidden.htm


http://islamhelpline.net/node/4776


There are many other links.

Dr. Zakir Naik also addressed the issue of pictures.

When it comes to Quran and hadith many scholars give their opinions and interpretations of their understanding.

I am, thats why i am being careful, you on the other hand prefer the temporary goodness of this world to the permanent goodness of the hereafter, be wise. I repeat go and study and stop this nonsense you are doing out of ignorance, i dont usually waste my time like this on people like you, just felt to because of the OP and if perchance it makes fp.

Mister knowitall, what does the Quran say about reasoning?

Maybe you should reduce your quoting from islamqa website I can see you love giving references from that site or are you the creator of the site?

lexiconkabir:
Another point of note @tintingz pictures for memory is haraam(in this case album keeping), idolatry started from the time of Nuh, between the time of Nuh and Adam they lived some pious people which are even mentioned in the Qur'an, they were saints and worshipped Allaah sincerely, after their death people missed them and shaytaan came in human form offering to make pictures of these people for REMEMBRANCE, of course thats harmless, when this generation died, the next generation that came kept this pictures, and again shaytaan came to them in human form offering to transform these pictures to images, then the next generation that came who had no idea why these images were there got convinced by shaytaan that the pictures were worshipped by the ancestors, and bang! That was it, shaytaan achieved his aim after a very lonnnng time.....it started with just REMEMBRANCE, won't you think about this? Like Allaah asks, : Have you no sense?

I love this story.

Rilwayne001:


Of course you have power over it. i have brothers here that calls themselves tebliq, and they shared the same view with boko haram that going to school is indeed haram. The power you have over it is simply by not going to school.

And then when you graduate, you will have to work in an establishment where ID card again will be needed.

Just as how you have the power to stay hungry where there is no food instead of eating the available pork meat

Smh, The prophet sent zayd to learn hebrews because he didnt want to call on the jews of arabia to help him write letters to hebrew speaking people, so getting western knowledge is not haraam like your tebligi brothers says.

Plus you haven't tell me if angels won't enter your your room for having ID card bearing your picture.

This is out of necessity, sorry i will quote ibn uthaymeen again on this part not because i see him as the only scholar but most of the works I've read was made by him and his works are easy to come by:

Therefore Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen, may Allaah have mercy upon him, mentioned:

"…As for taking pictures and entering them into the homes, this is also haraam. The reason being that the angles don’t enter the home that has pictures or dogs therein. What do you think of a house where the angels do not enter? It is an evil house. So if there is a picture in the house or a dog, then the malaa'ikah, angels, do not enter, but however, what is made an exception for the pictures is that which is a daroorah, necessity, i.e., pictures on the dinaar and dirham (that which is found these days on our currencies) …Therefore, this affair is a daroorah, in which the people are not able to free themselves from, because its not possible for them to leave the money in the streets... So this is a daroorah, and also from this is the identification card (all of that is which is considered a daroorah, or an urgent need). Allaah does not bear a soul over its capacity."

this is found in Sharhul kabaa'ir page 295.