tintingz:
Are you saying Allah doesn't know what he was doing when Solomon(AS) kept images/statues? Was Solomon worshipping does images?

You're making it look like the bible Jehova that doesn't know what he was doing in old testament "and the lord repented" and made amendments in new testament like Christians believe.

Muslims men are allowed to romancè their wives and stay with them even when they are menstruating, the jews on the other hand were not given this privilege, they were ordered to leave their homes totally till their wives completes the menstruation, why the change of orders?(astagfirullaah for asking Allaah that question) will you do what the jeww weee commanded to do as a muslim? You have a long way to go.

The case of Joseph(AS) was clear, his brothers bow to him because of his high position not that they worship him.

The prophet made it clear that respect or no respect, bowing is prohibited, this hadith is found in tirmidhi.

Like have said when you snap with your phone your have already make an image of yourself since it is saved in the phone for future views, reference or remembrance what is the difference when you print it, are you not printing exact reflection of what you snapped?

Our fathers print pictures because phones and computers were not available then.

The case of hadith refers to paintings, sculptures, figurines, people in the time of Muhammed(SA) worship images/idols.

@underlined, since it's your opinion, it doesn't bound on me.

Why does the Prophet(SA) see nothing wrong with dolls?

Why did the prophet see nothing wrong with women uncovering their until the aayah of hijab was revealed to Muhammad just the moment Umar was speaking to him about it?

So angel of mercy doesn't have problem with me using my pictures as wallpapers on my computer and phone? What about newspapers and magazines?

I have answered this times without number and i won't say a thing on this again.

It is a great sin when someone glorify/worship these images. It was clearly stated in the Quran.

And a great sin to make pictures just as it is stated in the hadith.

Like have said there are reasons angel of mercy have problem with pictures in the house.

There is an hadith that says you can walk, sleep on pictures since you arw glorifying them.

It doesn't bound on me.

There is another hadith where Angel Gabriel appear to Prophet Muhammad (SA) in is dream and showed him picture/image of Aisha(RA) on cloaks. Angels carry images?

Smh.

http://www.correctislamicfaith.com/picturesinislam.htm


http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/statues-images-forbidden.htm


http://islamhelpline.net/node/4776


There are many other links.

I need their names and comments not some sites.

Dr. Zakir Naik also addressed the issue of pictures.

Zakir naik is no scholar of Islam.

Mister knowitall, what does the Quran say about reasoning?

Reasoning in light of clear cut proof from Quran and hadith not manipulating unclear proofs.

Maybe you should reduce your quoting from islamqa website I can see you love giving references from that site or are you the creator of the site?

I quote them cuz they give full references, people could easily verify, if i start quoting the books in front of me(like i did with rilwayne) it may be hard to verify.

Rilwayne001:


Of course you have power over it. i have brothers here that calls themselves tebliq, and they shared the same view with boko haram that going to school is indeed haram. The power you have over it is simply by not going to school.

And then when you graduate, you will have to work in an establishment where ID card again will be needed. Plus you haven't tell me if angels won't enter your your room for having ID card bearing your picture.




Okay.

He said angels don't enter where there are images yet keeping passports are allowed. Abeg who is confusing who?

If he said keeping passports, ID cards, newspapers are haram(forbidden) everything would have make more sense.

lexiconkabir:


Just as how you have the power to stay hungry where there is no food instead of eating the available pork meat

Lol, you see, your logic is not working here, perhaps because you are not just ready to see it.

You are allowed to eat pork basically because you have no other option at that particular point in time. Refusing to eat the available food even though its haram might lead to death hence the reason why it was allowed. This is not applicable to passport in school ID CARD. if you don't go to school, will you die? Is there an alternative or not? If you refuse to wear a passport at work, will you die? Is there an alternative or not?
Can same be said of hunger?

Take alcohol for instance too, alcohol can be used to cure some ailments, is it allowed when there is no other means of curing such particular ailment?

Smh, The prophet sent zayd to learn hebrews because he didnt want to call on the jews of arabia to help him write letters to hebrew speaking people, so getting western knowledge is not haraam like your tebligi brothers says.

In the course, was he allowed to learn it by all means including doing some things that are contrary to islam?

This is out of necessity, sorry i will quote ibn uthaymeen again on this part not because i see him as the only scholar but most of the works I've read was made by him and his works are easy to come by: Therefore Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen, may Allaah have mercy upon him, mentioned:"…As for taking pictures and entering them into the homes, this is also haraam. The reason being that the angles don’t enter the home that has pictures or dogs therein. What do you think of a house where the angels do not enter? It is an evil house. So if there is a picture in the house or a dog, then the malaa'ikah, angels, do not enter, but however, what is made an exception for the pictures is that which is a daroorah, necessity, i.e., pictures on the dinaar and dirham (that which is found these days on our currencies) …Therefore, this affair is a daroorah, in which the people are not able to free themselves from, because its not possible for them to leave the money in the streets... So this is a daroorah, and also from this is the identification card (all of that is which is considered a daroorah, or an urgent need). Allaah does not bear a soul over its capacity." this is found in Sharhul kabaa'ir page 295.

It isn't out of necessity. Picture is picture whether on id card or whatever. And it's clearly spelt out in the point you've been trying to make so far that any image printed is haram. Currency may be in another form and not necessarily have pictures. Identification card too, there is always and alternative, and since there is, that automatically make it less necessity.

Btw, you have pictures in your textbooks too . When you get to your place of work, you will work with it one way of the other. What do you have say on this?

tintingz:
He said angels don't enter where there are images yet keeping passports are allowed. Abeg who is confusing who?

Otojusumi o

Rilwayne001:


Lol, you see, your logic is not working here, perhaps because you are not just ready to see it.

You are allowed to eat pork basically because you have no other option at that particular point in time. Refusing to eat the available food even though its haram might lead to death hence the reason why it was allowed. This is not applicable to passport in school ID CARD. if you don't go to school, will you die? Is there an alternative or not? If you refuse to wear a passport at work, will you die? Is there an alternative or not?
Can same be said of hunger?

Take alcohol for instance too, alcohol can be used to cure some ailments, is it allowed when there is no other means of curing such particular ailment?

It fits in, a human can stay without food for at least 3weeks, we all know that if we go without food for 3days we will be uncomfortable but we will not die, so I'm telling you that since you wont die for the next 2weeks without food, then its not necessary to eat the pork , this is where the wisdom of Allaah comes in that what he wants for his slaves is ease.

In the course, was he allowed to learn it by all means including doing some things that are contrary to islam?

I have not done anything contrary to Islam, infact in school i do leave lecture halls to pray if i see the time for that salaah is about the elapse.

It isn't out of necessity. Picture is picture whether on id card or whatever. And it's clearly spelt out in the point you've been trying to make so far that any image printed is haram. Currency may be in another form and not necessarily have pictures. Identification card too, there is always and alternative, and since there is, that automatically make it less necessity.

Without currency you cant buy anything, and you'll starve to death so its a necessity, see i am just repeating myself all over and over anf over again, and might not reply you again except if i see something new.

Btw, you have pictures in your textbooks too .

Same issue and i wont reply.

When you get to your place of work, you will work with it one way of the other. What do you have say on this?

How do you know where i will work sef

And you mean its a must to work with animate things pictures? Oh pulease.

You are being ridiculous just to put a matter into islam which is not in islam.

lexiconkabir:


Muslims men are allowed to romancè their wives and stay with them even when they are menstruating, the jews on the other hand were not given this privilege, they were ordered to leave their homes totally till their wives completes the menstruation, why the change of orders?(astagfirullaah for asking Allaah that question) will you do what the jeww weee commanded to do as a muslim? You have a long way to go.

Did Allah gave the Jews the bolded commandment?

What you posted is like that of Christians.

The prophet made it clear that respect or no respect, bowing is prohibited, this hadith is found in tirmidhi.

Again Joseph brothers bowed because of his position and that was what Allah revealed to him in his dream that will come through.

O my father! Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon; I saw them prostrating themselves to me.” (Quran 12:4)

Joseph and his brothers are not related to the hadith of prohibiting bowing, they are different event entirely.

@underlined, since it's your opinion, it doesn't bound on me.

are pictures save on phones or not?

Why did the prophet see nothing wrong with women uncovering their until the aayah of hijab was revealed to Muhammad just the moment Umar was speaking to him about it?

Covering has been a practice in the middle east since the time of Moses, the idol worshiper diverted from it. The Quran was a reminder to them.

Dolls are not haram according to the hadith.

I have answered this times without number and i won't say a thing on this again.

ok

And a great sin to make pictures just as it is stated in the hadith.

The great sin when someone glorify them as Quran Stated.

It doesn't bound on me.



Smh.

Some scholars said it is permisible to use pictures to show who you want marry given reference from hadith were Angel Gabriel showed Muhammed (SA) Aisha Image.

I need their names and comments not some sites.

You must be joking.

Zakir naik is no scholar of Islam.

So what is he, an artiste?

This is the problem with some Muslims.

Reasoning in light of clear cut proof from Quran and hadith not manipulating unclear proofs.

That's exactly what am doing.

I quote them cuz they give full references, people could easily verify, if i start quoting the books in front of me(like i did with rilwayne) it may be hard to verify.

So they are the best in giving interpretation of the Quran and Hadith?

lexiconkabir:


Intangible images are not haraam, implying snapping pictures on phone is not haraam as far as you do not print it on paper or wall or something similar, also it implies that watching of videos isnt haraam as far as it doesn't have things that can cause fitna....and i hope you know what i mean.



I am a bit lazy to type cuz its a long issue, so go here
https://islamqa.info/en/102260 it was discussed extensively.

Thanx a lot.the info was very useful.jazakalakheir.may allah repay you in goodness

tintingz:
He said angels don't enter where there are images yet keeping passports are allowed. Abeg who is confusing who?

If he said keeping passports, ID cards, newspapers are haram(forbidden) everything would have make more sense.

Angels do not enter the house where there are pictures hanged on the walls and also if there are carvings not id cards,jazkalaheir .i hope i clear the misunderstanding

muser:



Angels do not enter the house where there are pictures hanged on the walls and also if there are carvings not id cards,jazkalaheir .i hope i clear the misunderstanding

At least you said "on the walls" not like some people that their post are confusing.

muser:



Angels do not enter the house where there are pictures hanged on the walls and also if there are carvings not id cards,jazkalaheir .i hope i clear the misunderstanding

What's the different between the one on the wall and the one on your ID card, are they both not pictures?

Rilwayne001:


What's the different between the one on the wall and the one on your ID card, are they both not pictures?

I wonder oo.

Saudi king palace are full of pictures of their past kings, are they not aware of the hadiths?

My mum's family are all Christians, it means I can't stay with them because pictures are all over their walls?

lexiconkabir:


Yes, its simple, do not print pictures and leave it at that,

Dont know what you meant by this. Also, i dont get exactly what you opposed to. Printing picture itself or?. Printing itself was invented very long ago. Around 600 A.D. woodblock printing was invented and by 740 A.D. And there is no observants of Islam that worshiped them. That's many generations and future that have gone by. Today, no muslim bow down or make printed pictures as object of worship. It's very irrational to say not to print pictures when in fact, we receive mails everyday with pictures on them. What I am opposed to is hanging it all over the house bcus I dont hang pictures. Even there is no ijma amongts jurists that you cant hang pictures. They did say it is okay if it is not large ones. Again, we have bunch of newspapers with pictures on them. It is practically impossible to avoid these things in this day and age. What a muslim dont do is to deliberately placed picture in front of them facing qibla and pray directly in front of it.

but you and your friend say you can print them and keep for remembrance, how did the people of nuh started idolatry? Was it not because their ancestors kept the pictures for just REMEMBRANCE, you both think of only now, but i think of the harm it can cause in the future.

Again, time is long due to proof msulims would worhsip them in the future. There is no predictive evidence of that at all. It is not imaginable at all bcus, what makes a muslim to accept islam is identifying idol worship. So printing paper has been around for far too long and there is no evidence that muslims would worship them. But if you had said:


# to remove picture in the direction of qibla,

# to put your identification card in your back pocket (so that it doesnt drop if you put it in front pocket), that would have made sense.


And yes, whats wrong keeping picture for memory?. How do we recognize our past Ulama and present ones if not by that?. They are not just preserved in digital format but are also printed. I am quiet sure, if you dig enough in your family, someone would probably bring out picture of your great grandpa and you will be excited to see that.

Again, what is haram is, placing picture directly in front of you in the direction of qibla while praying. Even those who carry pictures of their Shuyuk dont worship them.


Unless if i misunderstood you, there is absolutely nothing wrong taking pics and printing them. This is wide spread practically. I have been to many homes of people and I had to make salat. They hang pictures. I simply clear qibla direction and make salat without making big deal out of it.[/quote]

tintingz:
Did Allah gave the Jews the bolded commandment?

What you posted is like that of Christians.

Thats the law in their torah and the hadith of the prophet confirmed it, It was narrated from Anas in saheeh muslim that the Jews, if any of their women was menstruating, would not eat with them or meet with them in their houses. The companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about that, then Allaah revealed the verse:

“They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore, keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allaah has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allaah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves”{al-Baqarah 2:222}

Again Joseph brothers bowed because of his position and that was what Allah revealed to him in his dream that will come through.

O my father! Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon; I saw them prostrating themselves to me.” (Quran 12:4)

Joseph and his brothers are not related to the hadith of prohibiting bowing, they are different event entirely.

Bowing to someone else out of respect or not is not accepted in Islam and it fits in exactly to my discussion, cuz you are trying to say pictures are allowed due to the story of solomon in the Qur'an, i am now telling you that it is not allowed in Islam to bow to another person even though the brothers of Yusuf bowed to Yusuf WHICH IS IN THE QUR'AN.

Let me just provide the hadith;

It was narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man said, “O Messenger of Allaah, when a man among us meets his brother and friend, should he bow to him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he embrace him and kiss him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he take his hand and shake hands?” He said, “Yes.”

are pictures save on phones or not?

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Covering has been a practice in the middle east since the time of Moses, the idol worshiper diverted from it. The Quran was a reminder to them.

Dolls are not haram according to the hadith.

The people of Arabia did not wear hijab, and the prophet didnt see anything wrong in that because he has not been ordered, so if you can say the reason why he didnt see anything wrong with that, maybe you'll get the answer to the doll, use your brain.

The great sin when someone glorify them as Quran Stated.

You disobey the words of Muhammad using unclear proofs in the presence of clear proofs.

Some scholars said it is permisible to use pictures to show who you want marry given reference from hadith were Angel Gabriel showed Muhammed (SA) Aisha Image.

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muser:



Thanx a lot.the info was very useful.jazakalakheir.may allah repay you in goodness

Wa ant, fajazakAllaah khaira

Lexiconkabir. Jazakallahu khairan for your reply so far. I do have some questions for you.
Who is a scholar in Islam?
What are the qualities of a scholar?
What are the requirements for been a scholar?

udatso:
Lexiconkabir. Jazakallahu khairan for your reply so far. I do have some questions for you.
Who is a scholar in Islam?
What are the qualities of a scholar?
What are the requirements for been a scholar?

Because i said zakir naik is not a scholar?

Anyway, these are the qualities of a scholar;

1) he should have knowledge of the text of Quran and hadith, not necessarily memorize them but atleast shouldn't have problem pointing exactly to a verse or hadith when the need arises.

2) he should have knowledge on the issue of scholarly consensus (ijma)

3) he should be well versed in Arabic, not learning by heart but actually studied it formally.

4) He should have knowledge of usool al-fiqh (basic principles of Islamic jurisprudence), including analogy (qiyaas), because usool al-fiqh is the foundation for deriving rulings.

5) He should have knowledge of what abrogates and what is abrogated (al-naasikh wal-mansookh).

All of these must be present, So you shouldnt use "scholar"('aalim) readily about anyone who speaks about Islamic rulings or teaches Islamic material in schools and universities, or who works in the field of da‘wah (calling people to Allaah). A man may be a daa‘iyah, calling people to Allaah, and putting a great deal of effort into that, without having reached the level of being a scholar (‘aalim).

Jazakallahu khairan

lexiconkabir:


Because i said zakir naik is not a scholar?

Yeah And also because someone called the likes of mufti menk, zakir Naik are innovators and call to hellfire

Anyway, these are the qualities of a scholar;

What are the source(s) of these qualities? Where they defined by some other scholars? If so, how were they regarded as scholars?
Do you regard mufti menk a scholar? If not, which of these qualities does he or zakir Naik lack?

udatso:
Jazakallahu khairan

Yeah And also because someone called the likes of mufti menk, zakir Naik are innovators and call to hellfire

I see

What are the source(s) of these qualities? Where they defined by some other scholars? If so, how were they regarded as scholars?

That has been the traditional qualities from the time of the salafs.

Do you regard mufti menk a scholar? If not, which of these qualities does he or zakir Naik lack?

To me i see him as a scholar, zakir naik denies that some verses of the Quran were not abrogated by later verses, when he is asked questions about islam, instead of putting it the way it is, he will sugarcoat it such that the answer becomes different from the well known ruling.

lexiconkabir:


I see




That has been the traditional qualities from the time of the salafs.




To me i see him as a scholar, zakir naik denies that some verses of the Quran were not abrogated by later verses, when he is asked questions about islam, instead of putting it the way it is, he will sugarcoat it such that the answer becomes different from the well known ruling.

lf i am allowed to speak on this, I will say you don't regard zakir naik as scholar because you don't have the same understanding of the verse. If that is the only reason then he is still a scholar, he cannot be 100℅ perfect. May Allah blessed you all.

lexiconkabir:


I see




That has been the traditional qualities from the time of the salafs.




To me i see him as a scholar, zakir naik denies that some verses of the Quran were not abrogated by later verses, when he is asked questions about islam, instead of putting it the way it is, he will sugarcoat it such that the answer becomes different from the well known ruling.

Thanks brother for clearing that up and for your patience.
But is there a reference to back up these qualities. Or it was careful look at the sahabas and the tabi'in that these qualities were documented.

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FriendChoice:
lf i am allowed to speak on this, I will say you don't regard zakir naik as scholar because you don't have the same understanding of the verse. If that is the only reason then he is still a scholar, he cannot be 100℅ perfect. May Allah blessed you all.

No no no, there is a difference between scholars having different understanding and one person going against scholarly consensus.

And i didnt say it is the only reason, read my reply again youll see another.

I will like to add, it is a scholarly consensus that rajam is a hadd of Allaah against adulterers, zakir naik differs on this, all to please people to convert into islam...

Zakir is a great guy but he makes mistakes, being a daa'iyah dont make you a scholar.

udatso:

Thanks brother for clearing that up and for your patience.
But is there a reference to back up these qualities. Or it was careful look at the sahabas and the tabi'in that these qualities were documented.

@bold obviously yes, myself saw this from al-Shawkaani and ibn uthaymeen may Allaah have mercy on them both.

Another thing is, in Islam any knowledge that does not have isnaad to the sahabas is nonsense, so a scholar refers to other scholars in the past that in turn refers to the ones before their time and so on to the sahabas....our religion has isnaad.

lexiconkabir:


@bold obviously yes, myself saw this from al-Shawkaani and ibn uthaymeen may Allaah have mercy on them both.

Another thing is, in Islam any knowledge that does not have isnaad to the sahabas is nonsense, so a scholar refers to other scholars in the past that in turn refers to the ones before their time and so on to the sahabas....our religion has isnaad.

So will I be correct if I say, these past scholars can't be corrected as they are infallible since all study must agree to theirs?

udatso:

So will I be correct if I say, these past scholars can't be corrected as they are infallible since all study must agree to theirs?

You can correct them if you have proof from authentic hadith or Qur'an.

An example is Imamu Malik was asked about washing D leg thoroughly when performing abolution, he says you can just pour water on the leg. The next day Imamu malik came and said it has been proven to him with an authentic hadith that washing of the leg thoroughly is compulsory. Therefore he retract his eailer statement. That was then, as of today you cannot produced a hadith that was not previously known.

udatso:

So will I be correct if I say, these past scholars can't be corrected as they are infallible since all study must agree to theirs?

Individually they are fallible but as a group(that is scholarly consensus, ijma) they are infallible because the prophet said his ummah can never agree on misguidance.

lexiconkabir:


No no no, there is a difference between scholars having different understanding and one person going against scholarly consensus.

And i didnt say it is the only reason, read my reply again youll see another.

I will like to add, it is a scholarly consensus that rajam is a hadd of Allaah against adulterers, zakir naik differs on this, all to please people to convert into islam...

Zakir is a great guy but he makes mistakes, being a da'iyyah dont make you a scholar.

Allow me to add here that it is not only Dr Zakir Naik. I see him as Scholar but not super one. I am of the same of opinion that the issue of rajm is hocus pocus and creates confusion even though it is ijma. There are other scholars who go against it. And for those who know me here, i have debated it as well. Search NL for the threads. Two thread are opened about it. Differences about rajam is not sectarian one. It is research and methodology. Those scholars who against it are not just in 21century. There 20th century scholars who go against it as well. But i may be derailing this thread talking about it. Please search for the thread and give your opinion. It is not about sectarian bcus there are lots of Sufis and Salafis who believe in the story of rajam. There are also few sufis and few salafis who go against it. Even Shia's theology they believe in rajam. There are ijma that need fixing doesnt mean we have to be rude when we engage them. We simply present evidence and scholarly research.


For instance, 20th century scholar, Mawlana Muhammad Fazlur Rahman Ansari (ra) (d) 1974 was against rajam bcus he did not believe it was ever part of Qur'an. Anyways, this can be discussed later. My point is, if Dr. Naik does not believe rajam story does not make him any less than a scholar. Some Saudi shuyuk have given fatwa that got k-legs and against general opinion. They remained scholars still.


As for the issue here, i repeat that it is very simply one i:e taking pictures etc. If we are to take ahadith that speak about not keeping pictures in the house minus opinion of scholars or fatawa, we are all guilty of it. It is only when they make fatwa that they make distinctions. But just by taking the hadith alone into consideration, those shuyuk knew they are affected by it. That's why they make "exceptions". Fatwa can be outdated. They gave fatwa base on situation in their time. Who knows tomorrow, they may enforce us to hang our ID around our neck everywhere we go?. In that case, another fatwa may be necessary and the former is outdated.

For instance, in New York before 2004, it was not mandatory to carry ID. But the mayor in power enforce carrying ID in 2004. He had his reasons. It is now punishable offence if your ID is not on you unless you have valid excuse. Plus without ID, you are not allowed to purchase certain household or construction material items. My point is, some of the shuyuk fatawa are lopsided. They gave exception where it affects them or those around them. But would not hesitate to condemn outright if others try to make exceptions for themselves. This is why i narrowed down the issue to WORSHIP bcus i know muslims wont bow to them or take them as object of worship. I do this bcus the ahadith do not make exception for animated pictures as far as i know.

Picture is picture whether it is hung, in your pocket in the house, on the table, still picture for background stuff on your computer and many more including taking it digitally too if we are to understand the ahadith literally without scholar's opinion. We are all guilty of this. So it is very important when we make exception to take into consideration exceptions of others in other parts of the world. Plus understand that those Saudi shuyuk could be under pressure from the govt. They are very close to govt and govt would put pressure on them to do their bidding. I know this. No be dem say. It is easy to quote Quran or hadith or have easy access to them. Easy access does not translate to TRUTH.

^^ Since you believe rajam is a scholarly consensus, then case closed! The ummah cant agree on misguidance.

And really I'm done with the discussion on pictures.

If you understand the principle of daroorah clearly you'll know you dont need a fatwa to do somethings.

lexiconkabir:


Thats the law in their torah and the hadith of the prophet confirmed it, It was narrated from Anas in saheeh muslim that the Jews, if any of their women was menstruating, would not eat with them or meet with them in their houses. The companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about that, then Allaah revealed the verse:

“They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore, keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allaah has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allaah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves”{al-Baqarah 2:222}

You're mixing things up, Is it the Jews or the Torah?

The Quran said we shouldn't have intercorse with our wives when they are on their period. The Jews staying away from their wives and not eating with them is a Jewish practice and not a commandments from Allah in the Torah.

What does the Quran say about the Jews practicing what was not reveal to them?

Bowing to someone else out of respect or not is not accepted in Islam and it fits in exactly to my discussion, cuz you are trying to say pictures are allowed due to the story of solomon in the Qur'an, i am now telling you that it is not allowed in Islam to bow to another person even though the brothers of Yusuf bowed to Yusuf WHICH IS IN THE QUR'AN.

Let me just provide the hadith;

It was narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man said, “O Messenger of Allaah, when a man among us meets his brother and friend, should he bow to him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he embrace him and kiss him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he take his hand and shake hands?” He said, “Yes.”

I know about this hadith and I understand it.

But you're relating it to Joseph and his brothers an event planed by Allah, Joseph brothers bowing to him is a prophecy Allah showed Joseph and it came to pass.

Again I quote:

O my father! Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon; I saw them prostrating themselves to me.” (Quran 12:4)

Do you know better than Allah? Or you prefer taking the hadith higher than the Holy Quran of God?

Do you still want to argue that Joseph brothers were wrong for bowing to Joseph because hadith forbid it.

Allah forbade Images/statues during the time of Moses because people worship it yet during the time of Solomon Allah didn't forbid it, reason because they are not of worship.

Images are NOT prohibited completely.

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The people of Arabia did not wear hijab, and the prophet didnt see anything wrong in that because he has not been ordered, so if you can say the reason why he didnt see anything wrong with that, maybe you'll get the answer to the doll, use your brain.

Women wear viel before hijab was made obligatory. During pre-islamic era there are people that still hold on to Prophet Abraham and Ismail faith but with their ignorance they divert from it.

There is no where Prophet Muhammad (SA) frowned at dolls if there is, you can quote it out.

You disobey the words of Muhammad using unclear proofs in the presence of clear proofs.

I am not wrong in any of my words and I didn't disobey any. There is nothing like photography during the time of the Prophet(SA).

And besides, I hold Quran higher than the hadiths.

lexiconkabir:
^^ Since you believe rajam is a scholarly consensus, then case closed! The ummah cant agree on misguidance.

See, it is the same with Ottoman. We all agreed with the establishment when growing up and many still do. It is all base on ijma. But now, here we are grown up. We researched and realized Ottoman did lots if silly stupid stuff that go against Qur'an and Sunnah yet, it is ijma. But evil Ottoman did is portrayed as good and we believed all that. But i dont want to go into that. Does that mean Ottoman didnt have something good in it?. Absolutely not. One of its great achievements is, the last time the world had FREE and FAIR market was the time of Ottoman empire and the end of Dinar and Durham. But Saudi Shuyuk go against this ijma and gave fatwa that paper money is halal. Dont they go against ijma?. Isnt that misguidance?

Again, if you talk about ijma, i can go on and on how those saudi shuyuk have gone against Ijma of majority Sunnis scholar especially on the issue of tawasul. Some of their scholars have rejected or disbelieve in tawasul altogether or gave it another meaning entirely. Yet, we still praise them as scholars. And i have no problem with them though. The issue of rajam simply is conflicting within itself and Qur'an when i listened to a Nigerian scholar on live TV. Made me sad. It makes no sense. So ijma has to be on proper understanding of Quran and Sunnah itself not the opposite.

tintingz:

You're mixing things up, Is it the Jews or the Torah?

The Quran said we shouldn't have intercorse with our wives when they are on their period. The Jews staying away from their wives and not eating with them is a Jewish practice and not a commandments from Allah in the Torah.

What does the Quran say about the Jews practicing what was not reveal to them?

I know about this hadith and I understand it.

But you're relating it to Joseph and his brothers an event planed by Allah, Joseph brothers bowing to him is a prophecy Allah showed Joseph and it came to pass.

Again I quote:

O my father! Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon; I saw them prostrating themselves to me.” (Quran 12:4)

Do you know better than Allah? Or you prefer taking the hadith higher than the Holy Quran of God?

Do you still want to argue that Joseph brothers were wrong for bowing to Joseph because hadith forbid it.

Allah forbade Images/statues during the time of Moses because people worship it yet during the time of Solomon Allah didn't forbid it, reason because they are not of worship.

Images are NOT prohibited completely.

Repeating the same nonsense, i have stated why i brought up the issue of jews and Yusuf, you really dont have a retort for that, this is why you say they are not related, its no surprise as that is the trait of the people of whims and desires.

Women wear viel before hijab was made obligatory. During pre-islamic era there are people that still hold on to Prophet Abraham and Ismail faith but with their ignorance they divert from it.

There is no where Prophet Muhammad (SA) frowned at dolls if there is, you can quote it out.



I am not wrong in any of my words and I didn't disobey any. There is nothing like photography during the time of the Prophet(SA).

And besides, I hold Quran higher than the hadiths.

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Empiree:
See, it is the same with Ottoman. We all agreed with the establishment when growing up and many still do. It is all base on ijma. But now, here we are grown up. We researched and realized Ottoman did lots if silly stupid stuff that go against Qur'an and Sunnah yet, it is ijma. But evil Ottoman did is portrayed as good and we believed all that. But i dont want to go into that. Does that mean Ottoman didnt have something good in it?. Absolutely not. One of its great achievements is, the last time the world has FREE and FAIR market was the time of Ottoman empire and the end of Dinar and Durham. But Saudi Shuyuk go against this ijma and gave fatwa that paper money is halal. Dont they go against ijma?. Isnt that misguidance?

Again, if you talk about ijma, i can go on and on how those saudi shuyuk have gone against Ijma of majority Sunnis scholar especially on the issue of tawasul. Some of their scholars have rejected or disbelieve in tawasul altogether or gave it another meaning entirely. Yet, we still praise them as scholars. And i have no problem with them though. The issue of rajam simply is conflicting within itself and Qur'an when i listened to a Nigerian scholar on live TV. Made me sad. It makes no sense. So ijma has to be on proper understanding of Quran and Sunnah itself not the opposite.

Smh.....