ValentineMary:
Cause and effect. Does all cause have an effect I don't think so. Let us take the speed of light for example. It has no known cause but there is an effect.

Does the origin of the universe have a cause, we don't know but we see the effect. So we can say that the universe might or might not have a cause whi knows we are agnostic towards the cause but the problem I have in putting a being (the unmoved mover) in the equation is that if there is an unmoved mover, can't that be the universe that is the unmoved mover but can the universe cause itself

The problem contemporary scientist have in solving the problem of pre big bang events is that we all agree that the conventional laws of science started at the big bang. So trying to understand with our modern laws would break down. So we need a mathematics that would transcend before the big bang and ans that qus.

ValentineMary:
Cause and effect. Does all cause have an effect I don't think so. Let us take the speed of light for example. It has no known cause but there is an effect.

Does the origin of the universe have a cause, we don't know but we see the effect. So we can say that the universe might or might not have a cause whi knows we are agnostic towards the cause but the problem I have in putting a being (the unmoved mover) in the equation is that if there is an unmoved mover, can't that be the universe that is the unmoved mover but can the universe cause itself

The problem contemporary scientist have in solving the problem of pre big bang events is that we all agree that the conventional laws of science started at the big bang. So trying to understand with our modern laws would break down. So we need a mathematics that would transcend before the big bang and ans that qus.

CoolUsername:
Universal laws are not decrees started by any authority but rather a description of how the universe behaves. The human mind finds patterns in these systems and then uses that to predict outcomes.

lordnicklaus:
Firstly, thank you for joining @ johnydon22.

If the complex universe started as a simple one, then it means complexity is at a continuum and what we see as complex today will become even more complex in the future.

Random and unbridled events would have to follow a mathematical law on their own to write entirely new laws governing the newly created multiverse.

lordnicklaus:
Firstly, thank you for joining @ johnydon22.

If the complex universe started as a simple one, then it means complexity is at a continuum and what we see as complex today will become even more complex in the future. Random and unbridled events would have to follow a mathematical law on their own to write entirely new laws governing the newly created multiverse.

ValentineMary:
Cause and effect. Does all cause have an effect I don't think so. Let us take the speed of light for example. It has no known cause but there is an effect.

Does the origin of the universe have a cause, we don't know but we see the effect. So we can say that the universe might or might not have a cause whi knows we are agnostic towards the cause but the problem I have in putting a being (the unmoved mover) in the equation is that if there is an unmoved mover, can't that be the universe that is the unmoved mover but can the universe cause itself

The problem contemporary scientist have in solving the problem of pre big bang events is that we all agree that the conventional laws of science started at the big bang. So trying to understand with our modern laws would break down. So we need a mathematics that would transcend before the big bang and ans that qus.

johnydon22:
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Now here is a Keplerian question - "If Hydrogen atoms has been floating for a very long period of time, is there a chance that they'd jam at a point and Helium atom is made?"
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shadeyinka:


Violation of lawas of Thermodynamics(specifically entropy)

If the universe started as a simple one, how do you explain ?

shadeyinka:


To every change, there is a cause!
Think about this.
Every change requires an External Energy

Light is an electromagnetic wave: simply put, light is a radio wave...cause by change in acceleration of electrons

butterfly88:
interesting topic op...to quickly add my own point...as is well known the human and some lesser animals always search for the cause of every occurrence(effect) .

and as science as proclaimed from its various findings,everything in nature follows s well defined and precise mathematics, mathematics so elegant that it take only the finest minds to unravel them .

so do we say this precision that we observe in nature is simply the product of chaos

"this is second to accepting that a 6month old made a perfect work of art by randomly moving his pencil on a piece of paper"

how about defending your ph.d and the only thing you could come out with is " I randomly mixed this element with that element and wow a got this amazing creature"

just using these instances to show that it is almost impossible for the human mind to conceive an opulent grandeur,a master design without a master designer. so intelligent design is the work of an intelligent designer and there is no mathematics without a mathematician

to cap my point up after years of calculative and carefull analysis, rebranding and remodelling the most advanced robot could only possess cockroach like intelligence....and this is due to some very complex mathematics and design....so why say the more complex human( and the universe as a whole) is the result of an unintelligent ?

lordnicklaus:


Thank you! You have perfectly laid your argument from quite a concrete premise. The universe is only self supplementary because of being already programmed to follow a set of conventional laws of Maths and Physics. Theism or religion doesn't prohibit understanding the universe. Itself has only made us to search for more answers to its stated facts, the proof of a master designer and also to come to understand His work.

lordnicklaus:


It is viewed that the universe is quite complex after it had undergone a series of evolutionary changes. I was only asking johnydon22 if this evolution or transition is continuous. I am a theist also bro, you probably mistook me to be an atheist.

shadeyinka:


Your post is too long:
The statement above is false.
1. What are the assumptions made for your fussion to take place?
2. Even though hydrogen looks simple, it is in reality a very complex machine.

Let me give you a simplistic question:
What is the probability that an isolated electron and an isolated proton (assuming that only these two make up the H atom) would self assemble itself to form Hydrogen?

lordnicklaus:


It is viewed that the universe is quite complex after it had undergone a series of evolutionary changes. I was only asking johnydon22 if this evolution or transition is continuous. I am a theist also bro, you probably mistook me to be an atheist.

shadeyinka:


My apologies. I get irritated sometime when atheists blatantly violate the laws of physics which is supposed to be part of their atheistic scripture.

My Respect!


Are you currently in UNILORIN?
I left last year October (Physics Department)

shadeyinka:


To every change, there is a cause!
Think about this.
Every change requires an External Energy

Light is an electromagnetic wave: simply put, light is a radio wave...cause by change in acceleration of electrons

wirinet:


The probability that an isolated electron and an isolated proton (in a confined space) would self assemble itself to form Hydrogen is 1. This is because of the factor of gravity. Gravity would make the proton and election drift towards each other until they collide/merge/ coalesce.

ValentineMary:

I said there is no known cause for speed of light.

lordnicklaus:


No, waiting for admission.

shadeyinka:


I couldn't help from laughing explosively hard simultaneously in five Chinese, Dutch and Zulu dialects.

The difference in the ratio in magnitude between gravitational force and coulombic force is more than 1:500,000.

In simple English, the force of attraction of two masses of proton and electron is insignificant compared to the force of attraction of the unlike charges.

You had been basing your Atheism of concepts way above your comprehension.

It will interest you to know that all physical laws fail as you move closer to time t=0.

Physics tells me that a Creator must have Existed.

lordnicklaus:


Thanks for joining. Sorry, I forgot to call you.
Can't photons be deduced as the cause for speed of light and also its rectilinear propagation?

The mathematics that transcends before the Big Bang would only be calculated if scientists existed before then. The mathematical laws to calculate all conventional laws today are only applicable in an already created universe and I am not sure if the best of brains would come up with an equation that perfectly explains pre-creation events. We could rightly say pre-creation was static and devoid of all quantities verifiable in the already working universe. So mathematics to solve events prior to creation is quite futile as the causative force to the Big Bang or caused multiverse is quite unquantifiable.

shadeyinka:


I am speaking Physics:
Light is an electromagnetic energy (like nuclear energy, gravity etc..which are all fundermental physical entities)

Light is a product of acceleration or deceleration of electrons.

Your statement is like saying no one knows the cause of mass of an object which doesn't make any physical sense

shadeyinka:

OK. Wish you Gods speed

wirinet:


Yes the evolution of universe is continuous. The universe started out with simple elements of hydrogen and helium and evolved to produce heavier elements up to uranium.