butterfly88:
interesting topic op...to quickly add my own point...as is well known the human and some lesser animals always search for the cause of every occurrence(effect) .

and as science as proclaimed from its various findings,everything in nature follows s well defined and precise mathematics, mathematics so elegant that it take only the finest minds to unravel them .

so do we say this precision that we observe in nature is simply the product of chaos

"this is second to accepting that a 6month old made a perfect work of art by randomly moving his pencil on a piece of paper"

how about defending your ph.d and the only thing you could come out with is " I randomly mixed this element with that element and wow a got this amazing creature"

just using these instances to show that it is almost impossible for the human mind to conceive an opulent grandeur,a master design without a master designer. so intelligent design is the work of an intelligent designer and there is no mathematics without a mathematician

to cap my point up, after years of calculative and carefull analysis, rebranding and remodelling the most advanced robot could only possess cockroach like intelligence....and this is due to some very complex mathematics and design....so why say the more complex human( and the universe as a whole) is the result of an unintelligent "designer" the product of mere chance?

shadeyinka:


I am speaking Physics:
Light is an electromagnetic energy (like nuclear energy, gravity etc..which are all fundermental physical entities)

Light is a product of acceleration or deceleration of electrons.

Your statement is like saying no one knows the cause of mass of an object which doesn't make any physical sense

lordnicklaus:
The whole expanse is governed by a set of laws, either physical, chemical or sub-physical. The known laws in science can not entirely quantify that which set the universe in motion. Quantum physics sets to explain the idea of virtual/sub-atomic particles arising from a vacuum unaided but can not verify the Big Bang theory which proposes the idea of a universe originating from the expansion of infinite singularity.
Certain mathematical precepts have been developed to explain the higher Mathematical law governing the entire cosmical pathway. Now, will all universal mathematical laws need a Mathematician or can each laws write and supplement themselves. The cosmos was caused by something quite incomprehensible and there are attempts to explain what it really is and that is where Theism comes in. I personally view this higher and absolutely infinite complex order as a being who sees to the driving laws of the multiverse but there are others who view this causative order as a quantifiable force and I have no problem with their views. This discussion should not be one of taunts and tantrums but should be well ordered and answers could be answered in other threads just as my brother johnydon22 does.

So, this thread is simply a recap of a similar one I started. The question is, from what piece of factual hypothesis do you draw your premise?

Note: I will only call people who are mature in discussions as this. I might forget to call you but if you see yourself as being grown up enough to discuss without resorting to insults of any ksort, kindly join the discussion.

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raphieMontella:

ahk...
Small small bots bannning me anyhow

promise10:

His statement on speed of light is so absurd that it kept me thinking!

It doesn't make sense at all!

promise10:

His statement on speed of light is so absurd that it kept me thinking!

It doesn't make sense at all!

ValentineMary:

Light is caused by fast moving photons with a zero rest mass. That could be the cause.On that, I can say that the speed of light
is inherent in the photon. An inherent cause. On
that premise we can also assume that the cause
of the universe is inherent and not external.

a particle representing a quantum of light or other electromagnetic radiation. A photon carries energy proportional to the radiation frequency but has zero rest mass.

Or.a particle representing a quantum of light or other electromagnetic radiation. A photon carries energy proportional to the radiation frequency but has zero rest mass.

wirinet:


Which physics tell you that a creator must exist? You obviously have little idea of the physics you claim you studied.

What do you mean by move closer to time = 0? Time is a consequence of speed and space, [/b]so time can only be 0 if [b]space equals 0 or if speed equals c.

Space can only equal zero inside a singularity and of course physical laws cannot hold inside a singularity.
I do not have the time to teach you basic fundamental physics.

shadeyinka:

I better not learn your version of advanced Physics

shadeyinka:


I couldn't help from laughing explosively hard simultaneously in five Chinese, Dutch and Zulu dialects.

The difference in the ratio in magnitude between gravitational force and coulombic force is more than 1:500,000.

In simple English, the force of attraction of two masses of proton and electron is insignificant compared to the force of attraction of the unlike charges.

What is the probability that an isolated electron and an isolated proton (assuming that only these two make up the H atom) would self assemble itself to form Hydrogen?

lordnicklaus:

What can you say of Polonium which is naturally found in gravel or granite? Polonium can only be produced through the decay or decomposition of Uranium but it is found naturally in gravel or granite. Could the transition of the universe have caused the sudden embedding of Polonium in the ore of the gravel or granite? Or it has been right from the creation of the universe?
It is the only source of natural Polonium. Remember you said the universe evolved to create heavier elements such as Uranium.

shadeyinka:


Light isn't caused by any fast moving photon.

A Photon is:

I totally disagree. Photons is the reason behind visible light.

Electromagnetic waves and gravitational waves also travel at c. For something to move at this speed, it must be massless. Else the universe would not be able to provide such energy. I stand on what I said earlier that if there is a cause of speed of light (visible light) it is inherent in itself. And u disagreed to this point, now tell me what would cause this speed if not it's non interaction with matter due to it's massless nature ?

promise10:

His statement on speed of light is so absurd that it kept me thinking!

It doesn't make sense at all!

ValentineMary:

I totally disagree. Photons is the reason behind visible light.

Electromagnetic waves and gravitational waves also travel at c. For something to move at this speed, it must be massless. Else the universe would not be able to provide such energy. I stand on what I said earlier that if there is a cause of speed of light (visible light) it is inherent in itself. And u disagreed to this point, now tell me what would cause this speed if not it's non interaction with matter due to it's massless nature ?

ValentineMary:

I totally disagree. Photons is the reason behind visible light.

Electromagnetic waves and gravitational waves also travel at c. For something to move at this speed, it must be massless. Else the universe would not be able to provide such energy. I stand on what I said earlier that if there is a cause of speed of light (visible light) it is inherent in itself. And u disagreed to this point, now tell me what would cause this speed if not it's non interaction with matter due to it's massless nature ?

wirinet:

Gosh. Nigeria's educational sector has degenerated to such a level that a so called student of physics has no idea of the definition of Time, and is not able to learn.
Once again; Time is a consequence of the relationship between speed and space , without space there cannot be time. In other words if space is zero, time is also zero.
Furthermore at the speed of light, time becomes zero (from the view of a stationary observer). It is very sad, a so called physics student does not know or understand these simple facts.



Gosh, see more embarrassing ignorant rants. Who is talking about coulombic forces? you asked;
and i told you that the force of gravity between the proton and electron alone will eventually make the two particles collide in a confined space (i have not even considered the electrostatic force between the proton and electron), and you are talking about coulombic force.

On a nuclear scale, the proton is massive, it is over 1800 times more massive than the electron, so we expect the proton to have a huge gravitational effect on the electron. The sun's gravity affects planets and comets in the far reaches of our solar system and you do not think a proton would not have gravitational effect on an electron.

shadeyinka:


Just a little help!
Time is a measure of interval between events. Without events, there will be no reference with which to measure time.

Space cannot be zero!
Black holes, Supernovae, Singletons all take place in space. A Singleton may have zero dimension, it doesn't mean that the universe also have zero dimension.

All of us are still learning including me...I don't know half as much of physics than some guys I've met on Nairaland

lordnicklaus:

Can visible light really be massless? The dispersion of visible light could probably be the random motion of photons colliding elastically with one another. The amount of photons in visible light should be its mass or do you think otherwise?

shadeyinka:

Sorry Bro!

shadeyinka:


Just a little help!
Time is a measure of interval between events. Without events, there will be no reference with which to measure time.

Space cannot be zero!
Black holes, Supernovae, Singletons all take place in space. A Singleton may have zero dimension, it doesn't mean that the universe also have zero dimension.

All of us are still learning including me...I don't know half as much of physics than some guys I've met on Nairaland

lordnicklaus:
The whole expanse is governed by a set of laws, either physical, chemical or sub-physical. The known laws in science can not entirely quantify that which set the universe in motion. Quantum physics sets to explain the idea of virtual/sub-atomic particles arising from a vacuum unaided but can not verify the Big Bang theory which proposes the idea of a universe originating from the expansion of infinite singularity.
Certain mathematical precepts have been developed to explain the higher Mathematical law governing the entire cosmical pathway. Now, will all universal mathematical laws need a Mathematician or can each laws write and supplement themselves. The cosmos was caused by something quite incomprehensible and there are attempts to explain what it really is and that is where Theism comes in. I personally view this higher and absolutely infinite complex order as a being who sees to the driving laws of the multiverse but there are others who view this causative order as a quantifiable force and I have no problem with their views. This discussion should not be one of taunts and tantrums but should be well ordered and answers could be answered in other threads just as my brother johnydon22 does.

So, this thread is simply a recap of a similar one I started. The question is, from what piece of factual hypothesis do you draw your premise?

Note: I will only call people who are mature in discussions as this. I might forget to call you but if you see yourself as being grown up enough to discuss without resorting to insults of any ksort, kindly join the discussion.

Cc johnydon22 hopefulLandlord hahn JSoE weah96 Lennycool raphiemontella dorox shadeyinka donnffd et all.......

RosaConsidine:


Actually, in theoretical physics, space can be zero. Of course, in practical physics such an event can't be created. Even singularity has a space value of 1 so practically, space can't be zero. However, his point was that if space WERE zero, nothing else would exist, including time and the event intervals it measures. All events occur within space so whenever space went from zero to any value more than zero, time started.