EyeHateGod:

WTF? You are now cherry picking? What of the ones in OT or do i have to Quote them out?... And Ephesian 5 wasn't talking about slaves it was talking about servent again their is a difference your house maid is not your slave...

Again colossian is also talking about servent and not slaves the op is talking about slaves we talking about wips here...

What do you mean Yahweh didn't command slavery?

It all boiled down to the fact that One derseves it and the other doesn't now there is an exception for the first that's if he didn't comite crime still stop comparing slavery to Imprisonment it doesn't make sense

The only response you will get from me is intended to prevent you from misleading people with confident error. The Greek word for that "servant" is doulos and it means "slave" "bondman" just as douloo means enslave.

PDBonline:


The Bible states how slaves should treat their masters with respect and how masters should not even threaten their slaves but give them what is just and fair (Ephesians 6:5-9; Colossians 4:1). That's definitely not the kind relationship you and the rest have in your minds when you say "slavery" or is it?

The concept of slavery is not a moral issue. God determines what is right or wrong and He doesn't forbid slavery, He indeed allows it(now I didn't say He commanded it.) especially when voluntary and He also allows for freedom too.
God didn't have to forbid slavery because there is no need for that if people will be kind to their slaves and if slaves can gain freedom.

Slavery and Imprisonment

1. Both are USUALLY against people's will. Perpetrated by those more powerful than them.

People end up in prison because they committed crimes? Yes. But must criminals be imprisoned? What about people who are thrown to jail because the government in power does not like them or is threatened by there freedom? What about "prisoners of war"?

2. There are circumstances where both slavery and imprisonment are by choice and circumstances when they are preferred to other options.

In fact there are situations when a slave is better than a prisoner, especially when they have masters who treat them like the Bible says. They have access to the resources of their masters (good food, good shelter etc), the marry, fulfill sexual gratification and have children. Most prisoners have their lives come to a halt. Again, this is not how God wants it. This is man's careless invention- because a man should always be given a chance to become better and improve his or her life as long as he lives.

3. Both MAY involve forced labour and inhuman treatment.

4. Both have possibility of freedom

5. Both may be the result wickedness or kindness, injustice or justice for example during war situations

6. Both can bring positive changes AS JUDGED BY THE "VICTIM'S" EXPERIENCE not the society.

7. Both can actually be one experience: an imprisoned slave.

8. God doesn't forbid any of them. In fact, He allows both. But God teaches us to love all humans- slave or free, prisoner or free

Apart from the issue raised by eyehategod, Colossians and Ephesians was very late for a reaction from God...slaves had already suffered for centuries and neither god nor jesus fixed it and even Paul's admonition didn't fix it as it was meant for servants not slaves.
And we are not discussing isolated situations here, imprisonment is not better than slavery. I already told you, imprisoning innocent people for whatever reason is bad.. And it doesn't matter how much resources u give a slave, if he's still a merchandize to you, it's wrong. There is a reason slavery has been abolished, and imprisonment is still allowed. Humans have succeeded where God failed in determining that slavery is wrong

PDBonline:

The only response you will get from me is intended to prevent you from misleading people with confident error. The Greek word for that "servant" is doulos and it means "slave" "bondman" just as douloo means enslave.

This is an excerpt from a Christian website, grace to you:
” The word is doulos. Have you heard that word? The word is doulos. In the Greek, that word means “slave”--never means anything but “slave.” It doesn’t mean “servant”; it doesn’t mean “worker”; it doesn’t mean “hired hand”; it doesn’t mean “helper.” There are six or seven Greek words that mean “servant” in some form. Doulos never means “servant.” A servant is someone hired to do something. The slave is someone owned."
It even goes further to say that many places where the actual manuscript contain slave, servant is used but slave is never used in place of servant. So, your submission is wrong. When the bible says servant, it means servant. Those two references u quoted refer to servants.

randomperson:

Apart from the issue raised by eyehategod, Colossians and Ephesians was very late for a reaction from God...slaves had already suffered for centuries and neither god nor jesus fixed it and even Paul's admonition didn't fix it as it was meant for servants not slaves.
And we are not discussing isolated situations here, imprisonment is not better than slavery. I already told you, imprisoning innocent people for whatever reason is bad.. And it doesn't matter how much resources u give a slave, if he's still a merchandize to you, it's wrong. There is a reason slavery has been abolished, and imprisonment is still allowed. Humans have succeeded where God failed in determining that slavery is wrong

Did you intentionally avoid answering my question on your objective source of right and wrong? Tomorrow prisons may be gone too. Will you change your mind? Is it right because it is retained?
Now that you agreed that prison is right. Just visit how people are treated in prisons. You are happy with prisons okay? Slaves have become great in the house of their masters and have enjoyed kindness and people have voluntarily offered themselves for slavery.

I know you've been told before you just don't want to get it because you think you love humans more than God ( Very funny of you.)

Just talk about what the standard of morality is? What informs right and wrong?

PDBonline:

The only response you will get from me is intended to prevent you from misleading people with confident error. The Greek word for that "servant" is doulos and it means "slave" "bondman" just as douloo means enslave.

Oh thanks for this

randomperson:

This is an excerpt from a Christian website, grace to you:
” The word is doulos. Have you heard that word? The word is doulos. In the Greek, that word means “slave”--never means anything but “slave.” It doesn’t mean “servant”; it doesn’t mean “worker”; it doesn’t mean “hired hand”; it doesn’t mean “helper.” There are six or seven Greek words that mean “servant” in some form. Doulos never means “servant.” A servant is someone hired to do something. The slave is someone owned."
It even goes further to say that many places where the actual manuscript contain slave, servant is used but slave is never used in place of servant. So, your submission is wrong. When the bible says servant, it means servant. Those two references u quoted refer to servants.

Did you actually read before quoting Please read again.

Also check Greek-English dictionaries like I checked. Doulos is Slave. And you need to be interested in knowledge not just in trying to be right. The slavery that is wrong is the type of slavery you've been describing as wickedness not the ones allowed in the Bible which you seems to have not been willing to understand. Otherwise who is wicked when a man goes to voluntarily become someone else 's slave without coercion or when someone refuses to leave a master that said he can go free.

Now, I promise I won't answer YOU again except on issues of your objective source of right and wrong.

PDBonline:

Did you actually read before quoting Please read again.

Also check Greek-English dictionaries like I checked. Doulos is Slave. And you need to be interested in knowledge not just in trying to be right. The slavery that is wrong is the type of slavery you've been describing as wickedness not the ones allowed in the Bible which you seems to have blocked your sense of understanding to. Otherwise who is wicked when a man goes to voluntarily become someone else 's slave without coercion or when someone refuses to leave a master that said he can go free.

Now, I promise I won't answer YOU again except on issues of your objective source of right and wrong.

Plss, where is the bible reference showing that the slavery in the bible is voluntary?? Gimme one reference... Check the Op where I quoted a verse where God said they can purchase slaves... Tell me how slaves purchased as merchandize voluntarily became slaves

randomperson:

Plss, where is the bible reference showing that the slavery in the bible is voluntary?? Gimme one reference... Check the Op where I quoted a verse where God said they can purchase slaves... Tell me how slaves purchased as merchandize voluntarily became slaves

they just spill anything

Things i learnt about religion..

do not i repeat never ask WHY, HOW, WHEN, WHAT FOR, BUT, else you re doomed toooo? Haell!!!!,.......

I still don't understand why we Black people still always wanting to justify slavery! Comon they took billions of us here in Africa as slaves and we still justify slavery by trying to explain some nonsense from bible?

lamarrj:
I still don't understand why we Black people still always wanting to justify slavery! Comon they took billions of us here in Africa as slaves and we still justify slavery by trying to explain some nonsense from bible?

don't mind the deluded Christians

Interesting

@CuteMadridista. I'm waiting for you here.

Pls present your own arguements with scriptures. And pls don't run away.

Emmanystone:
@CuteMadridista. I'm waiting for you here.

Pls present your own arguements with scriptures. And pls don't run away.

Who is running away? lmao!

The topic is clear enough, slavery wasn't forbidden in the bible, if you disagree you're the one to present YOUR own argument for where slavery was forbidden with scriptures

CuteMadridista:


Who is running away? lmao!

The topic is clear enough, slavery wasn't forbidden in the bible, if you disagree you're the one to present YOUR own argument for where slavery was forbidden with scriptures

Pls post scriputes making your stance bare. You began this not i. Am just honouring you by agreeing to have this discussion with you.

Infact, i for like make we open a new thread for this.

I don't make claims i can't defend.

Emmanystone:

Pls post scriputes making your stance bare. You began this not i. Am just honouring you by agreeing to have this discussion with you.

Infact, i for like make we open a new thread for this.

I don't make claims i can't defend.

Exodus 21:7-11

Exodus 21:2-6

Leviticus 25:44-46

Exodus 21:7-11

Exodus 21:20-21

Ephesians 6:5

1 Timothy 6:1-2

Luke 12:47-48

Do bring up verses banning slavery

If you want to open a thread, do it stating its only between me and you so it would be only us and no one else