For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Savior Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4

So it might actually be that you guys are acting to divine ordination. Lets speculate.

Jesus maternal great grand parents did not know or even believed in Jesus, I guess they were equally condemned just like Mazaje and Abuzola.

Christians nawaoo

Jesus had no biological grand parents. He was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

Did he have a biological mother ? and who was she ?

Obalende:

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Savior Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4

So it might actually be that you guys are acting to divine ordination. Lets speculate.

Non-believers being "condemned "  is only a christian meme to strengthen their own belief in their delusions which they have absolute no evidence for at all by the way, . . .  Of course you need to believe that those that do not share your delusions are "condemned" while you are "saved" how else will your believe in those myths you have been indoctrinated with since childhood survive?

That someone could truly not believe in what they have been conditioned and indoctrinated to believe in since childhood is a foreign idea to them I suppose, . . .  Keep on believing in your myths and fairy tales while hoping that does that do not share your personal delusions are condemned. . . . . .That belief will make you sleep at night I believe. . . .Keep on keeping on. . .

They did not creep in unawares.

Obalende:

Jesus had no biological grand parents. He was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

Where you there when the holy ghost was conceiveing jesus? or did you just happen to be born into a family that accepts that story?

Where you there when the holy ghost was conceiveing jesus? or did you just happen to be born into a family that accepts that story?

He is Holy Ghost not holy ghost. write "holy ghost" at your own peril. The Bible is clear:

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Holy spirit impregnated mary, anyhow sha mary is a mere woman and she delivered the so called god, what an insult

@Abuzola
You are possessed by Belzeebub, the king of demons; there is no other explaination; or you are just acting out your ordination lol

Oh, i almost forgot, the holy spirit is among the godhead, he gave mary belle and she born another god. See u are insulting God in heaven, stop blaspheming

keep acting out your ordination lol.

You are happy about ur Darkness religion ? Farewell obalende

Obalende:

He is Holy Ghost not holy ghost. write "holy ghost" at your own peril. The Bible is clear:

Tell the holy ghost to go and smoke marujuana. . . . . You think I am scared of that mythical being?

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

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Where you there when it all happened or did you just happen to find your self born into a family that accepts that story?

@ABUZOLA, i laugh in arabic o,u too much dear

they call it OYUN EMIMIMO,Meaning the third god of the TRINITY impregnated MARY so she could give birth to the godhead,then later,then the godhead turned to be the songod at birth,then died later,and also had to tell the third god spirit to continue with the people of the world since he cannot handle them again,IMAGINE,ITS SO SICKNING AND FRAUDY

Check the dictionary for meaning of "overshadow" and stop mis-interpreting,O U workers of evil

Trinity nawa oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@mazaje
Keep acting out your ordainment. lol
the evidence is clear.

@ Abuzola
we keep praying for you that all evil spirits blinding you to the Truth will leave your life.

Who God has guided no one can lead him astray

[QUOTE]Where you there when it all happened or did you just happen to find your self born into a family that accepts that story? [/QUOTE]
You need to realise that contrary to popular atheist, new birth (salvation), the result of Christs birth, death and ressurection has an evidece. What makes one a Christian is not family he was born in but an inward knowledge of regeneration. So yes, a born again Christian, by virtue of inward knowledge of regeneration also KNOWS that the Truth he has professed by mouth (not story) is not false but also a reality. So mazaje the naive atheist, go and sit down.

Obalende:

You need to realise that contrary to popular atheist, new birth (salvation), the result of Christs birth, death and ressurection has an evidece.

Err what evidence are you talking about exactly beside the stories written in the bible
? Even the authors of the gospel do not even agree on where exactly jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead. . . the writers of the gospel do not seem to agree how many days exactly jesus spent on earth before he allegedly ascended into heaven, coupled with their various conflicting accounts of what really happened at the tomb of jesus. . . .

What makes one a Christian is not family he was born in but an inward knowledge of regeneration.

What makes one a christian(or moslem) are MOSTLY upbringing or the surrounding environment. . . 500 years ago there were no christians in your village infact there were no christians in nigeria as a whole. . .if you were born into a hausa muslim family from bauchi state I KNOW you will be here declaring how great allah and the koran are. . .Take it or leave it you are a christian ONLY because of your surrounding culture and upbringing. . . .There are NO christians in Mecca and Madina why?

So yes, a born again Christian, by virtue of inward knowledge of regeneration also KNOWS that the Truth he has professed by mouth (not story) is not false but also a reality. So mazaje the naive atheist, go and sit down.

You have NO evidence to show that any of the stories you believe in is true. . . you have faith and you believe that is IT!. . . .you talk about truth as if you know anything about the truth. . .The FACT is you don't. . .by the way the truth does NOT need belief. . . .Mammals give birth to their young ones alive they do not lay eggs, that is the truth it does not need belief. . . . .You can not drive a car on an empty tank that is the truth it does not require belief. . .you believe that jesus is the son of god. . .That requires belief and that tells you that it is NOT a fact, its just what it is a belief system. . .

Err what evidence are you talking about exactly beside the stories written in the bible
? Even the authors of the gospel do not even agree on where exactly jesus appeared to the 11 of his disciples after he was allegedly raised from the dead. . . the writers of the gospel do not seem to agree how many days exactly jesus spent on earth before he allegedly ascended into heaven, coupled with their various conflicting accounts of what really happened at the tomb of jesus. . . .

Your delusion lies in the fact that you do not realise that spiritual matters need spiritual facts not physical facts. the Biblical evidence is sufficient because no other physical evidence can explain the non physical.

What makes one a christian(or moslem) are MOSTLY upbringing or the surrounding environment. . . 500 years ago there were no christians in your village infact there were no christians in nigeria as a whole. . .if you were born into a hausa muslim family from bauchi state I KNOW you will be here declaring how great allah and the koran are. . .Take it or leave it you are a christian ONLY because of your surrounding culture and upbringing. . . .There are NO christians in Mecca and Madina why?

Jehovah is in charge of why Mecca is predominantly non-Christian today.

You have NO evidence to show that any of the stories you believe in is true. . . you have faith and you believe that is IT!. . . .you talk about truth as if you know anything about the truth. . .The FACT is you don't. . .by the way the truth does NOT need belief. . . .Mammals give birth to their young ones alive they do not lay eggs, that is the truth it does not need belief. . . . .You can not drive a car on an empty tank that is the truth it does not require belief. . .you believe that jesus is the son of god. . .That requires belief and that tells you that it is NOT a fact, its just what it is a belief

Lie. The basis of the Christian faith is inward knowledge of God Himself as promised in the New Covenant. Those that have received (all Christians), because they have seen and known God, hence believe. Thats why the aposples said:

"We speak of[b] what we have seen and heard[/b]"(Acts)


The problem you have is that you dont realise who a Christian is. Moreover, why should you compare a physical mammal to something spritual.

"The last man Adam, became a life giving Spirit"

Obalende:

Your delusion lies in the fact that you do not realise that spiritual matters need spiritual facts not physical facts. the Biblical evidence is sufficient because no other physical evidence can explain the non physical.

This is false, because if you really believe in what the bible teaches then it talks about signs that will follow those who believe in its teachings, it says the signs(evidence) will be there for all to see so that the glory of the father can be exalted. . . .What you are doing here is pushing your claims to the relm of the unknown which is not acceptable. . . .If your religion is "true" as you love claiming then it should and can be demostrated. . . have you read the bible at all?. . .I repeat the truth does NOT need belief. . . .

Jehovah is in charge of why Mecca is predominantly non-Christian today.

Does jehovah believe in equal opportunities for all? , You believe this jehovah created everything and has a good plan for everybody(humanity)  and the good plan is that humans get to know him and his divine plan according to the hypothesis you believe in yet this jehovah character allows people to be born in places where his supposed message for humanity can not get to them eh?. . . .he supposedly created everybody but ended up choosing some people as his chosen people and told them to go kill others, take their women, steal their land and in some cases burn them and their animals as burnt offering unto him for no reason at all because they worshipped other gods, by the way if you read your bible your jehovah strongly warned his chosen people not to associate with the others that worship other gods. . .he did not reveal himself to them rather he willingly strengthed their hearts against him according to the story. . . .this your jehovah character is really mess I must say. . . . .

Lie. The basis of the Christian faith is inward knowledge of God Himself as promised in the New Covenant. Those that have received (all Christians), because they have seen and known God, hence believe. Thats why the aposples said:

"We speak of[b] what we have seen and heard[/b]"(Acts)

This is FALSE. . . .The fact is there is NO inward knowledge of the christian god as you claim the evidence is there for all to see. . . . since the christian god is NOT there we have people all over the place self projecting themselves as god using the bible as a guide. . . .This is the reason we have over 33,000 sect in christianity most with very opposing views but all still use the bible and claim they alone really know what it is talking about. . . . You have not seen or heard anything. . all you have seen and heard are the words of other men and the stories they have written. . . .sometimes you see things that are not there just because you really want to see them and your brain helps you in seeing them. . . nothing more. . . .

The problem you have is that you dont realise who a Christian is. Moreover, why should you compare a physical mammal to something spritual.

"The last man Adam, became a life giving Spirit"

What is this spirit you keep talking about all the time? If I ask you for evidence you will begin to cry for me while quoting verses from the bible, verses that have no basis in reality at all . . . .I undestand the need for you to feel that others that do not believe in your stories are "condemned" while you on the other hand are "saved". . .I understand the comfort and speacial feelings it gives. . .I was once there and I know it very well. . .What I will not accept is why you try to use your delusions to rub it on my face. . . .You believe I am "condemned" keep it to yourself. . . .Stop mixing me with the likes of deluded animals like abuzola when making moot points that have no basis at all in reality. . . . .

This is false, because if you really believe in what the bible teaches then it talks about signs that will follow those who believe in its teachings, it says the signs(evidence) will be there for all to see so that the glory of the father can be exalted. . . .What you are doing here is pushing your claims to the relm of the unknown which is not acceptable. . . .If your religion is "true" as you love claiming then it should and can be demostrated. . . have you read the bible at all?. . .I repeat the truth does NOT need belief. . . .

Spiritual Truth needs belief. eg. believe in God, then start dealing with God or believe in Sango and start dealing with shango.

Does jehovah believe in equal opportunities for all? Huh, You believe this jehovah created everything and has a good plan for everybody(humanity) and the good plan is that humans get to know him and his divine plan according to the hypothesis you believe in yet this jehovah character allows people to be born in places where his supposed message for humanity can not get to them eh?. . . .he supposedly created everybody but ended up choosing some people as his chosen people and told them to go kill others, take their women, steal their land and in some cases burn them and their animals as burnt offering unto him for no reason at all because they worshipped other gods, by the way if you read your bible your jehovah strongly warned his chosen people not to associate with the others that worship other gods. . .he did not reveal himself to them rather he willingly strengthed their hearts against him according to the story. . . .this your jehovah character is really mess I must say. . . . .

Jwhova cannot be questioned.

This is FALSE. . . .The fact is there is NO inward knowledge of the christian god as you claim the evidence is there for all to see. . . . since the christian god is NOT there we have people all over the place self projecting themselves as god using the bible as a guide. . . .This is the reason we have over 33,000 sect in christianity most with very opposing views but all still use the bible and claim they alone really know what it is talking about. . . . You have not seen or heard anything. . all you have seen and heard are the words of other men and the stories they have written. . . .sometimes you see things that are not there just because you really want to see them and your brain helps you in seeing them. . . nothing more. . . .

how do you know. I tell you something believe it.

What is this spirit you keep talking about all the time? If I ask you for evidence you will begin to cry for me while quoting verses from the bible, verses that have no basis in reality at all Grin. . . .I undestand the need for you to feel that others that do not believe in your stories are "condemned" while you on the other hand are "saved". . .I understand the comfort and speacial feelings it gives. . .I was once there and I know it very well. . .What I will not accept is why you try to use your delusions to rub it on my face. . . .You believe I am "condemned" keep it to yourself. . . .Stop mixing me with the likes of deluded animals like abuzola when making moot points that have no basis at all in reality. . . . .

I do not believe anybody is condemned!!! I said "Could mazaje, " the speculation is that maybe you or other atheists have been so ordained. it calls for constructive talking.

Abuzola:

The Holy spirit impregnated mary, anyhow sha mary is a mere woman and she delivered the so called god, what an insult

It is better to shut ur trap and tryna find a meaning to ur life than to post things that would destroy ur life that already has no meaning.Some people are going to receive the wrath of God through this post. It is better not to reply than say something against the word of God. It is written in the Bible (Galatians 6:7):
'Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man sow,that shall he also reap. Take a look at this examples:Please don't place a curse upon yourselves through posts.

1. Christine Hewitt (Jamaican Journalist and entertainer)
said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written.
In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle.


2. John Lennon (Singer):
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
'Christianity will end, it will disappear.
I do not have to argue about that.
I am certain.
Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him' (1966).
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

3. ancredo Neves (President of Brazil ):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency.
Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

4.The man who built the Titanic
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be.
With an ironic tone he said:
'Not even God can sink it'
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic

5. < div class=MsoNormal style='TEXT-ALIGN: center' align=center>Marilyn Monroe (Actress)

She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show.
He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said: I don't need your Jesus'.
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment

6.Campinas (IN 2005)
In Campinas , Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend,
The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:

'My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.'
She responded: 'Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here, It's Already Full '
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died,
the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.
The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken

confused religion(christianity)

back in da olden days. Abuzola my guy

No, they were not ordained.